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Title: Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Nobody on December 07, 2003, 07:55:31 AM
Apart from "The Mission" (his personal favourite), and "Cinema Paradiso", my pick would be "Days Of Heaven", probably his most underrated score. I personally think it's one of the best things he has ever written, and that says a lot. The man is a genius.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: The Smoker on December 07, 2003, 01:35:43 PM
Hes one of the only true musicians who never seems to fail me.

I like the 1969/72 era.
Argento Horror stuff. ill Gatto a Nove Code soundtrack is a good one.
More Improvised, modernist jazz ideas*.
I heard rumours that he had hand 90 film soundtracks in the space of 3 years
(Most with Bruno Nicolai Conducting) in this period. Amazing output


Guns For San Sabastian Has alot of GBU type themes, ideas.. same era.

The Great Silence Just for the beautiful title theme.
Its a sin the soundtrack has never had a decent CD release.

The Sicilian Clan & Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion also really good.


Ill have to checkout Days Of Heaven


*I like how he fused that style with the spaghetti western style on 'Gi La Testa' (Fistful of Dynamite)
Theres a track called 'Invention John' its my all time favourite morricone track. hardly used in the film. shame really


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Groggy on December 07, 2003, 03:07:27 PM
"The Untouchables".  I also like "Investigation of Citizen Above Suspicion" and "Death Rides a Horse".


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Jon on December 08, 2003, 10:07:59 AM
So many great soundtracks,amongst my favourites are

The Thing-Morricone does electronic minimalism plus some REALLY claustrophobic orchestral cues,many not used in the film

Wolf-Extremely evocative combination of savagery and dark beauty

Cinema Paradiso-Simply lovely,esp.the love theme composed by his son or nephew

Legend Of 1900-Same director,similar beauty plus several great little piano pieces

The Untouchables-Rousing,exciting

Four Files On Grey Velvet-my fav.Argento one,madly experimental but entirely fitting

The guy is a genius,he seems to be able to write in any style!


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: The Smoker on December 08, 2003, 01:21:22 PM
So many great soundtracks,amongst my favourites are

The Thing-Morricone does electronic minimalism plus some REALLY claustrophobic orchestral cues,many not used in the film


I think ive mentioned this before put  i think Carpenter had a small hand in that score. you can hear his style quite a few times over the soundtrack, and his synths more to the point.

Here found it...

There are 2 tracks where you can unmistakingly hear Carpenters Music.
Humanity (Part II) (7:15) has Carpenter synthesizer keyboard based rhythm section running the length of the track. This is the music from the opening scenes.
Its basicily 3 quarters Morricone, the last quarter when the loud organ type synthesizer solo kicks in, is Carpenter.  (In trademark horror overdrive)
Maybe there was a colaboration. I hope so. Even though the credits are given completely to Morrricone.

There is the other track that sounds like its just Carpenter, i think it could be 'Wait' ?

I think i need to listen to it again.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 13, 2003, 09:49:26 AM
I have more than 80 Morricone cds.

Here's my list of non Leone favourite scores:

1)Cinema Paradiso
2) Il Gatto
3)Queimada
4)State of Grace
5) Il Vizzietto (La cage aux folles)
6) Nostromo
7) La Tragedia di un Uomo Ridiculo
8) La Donna Invisible
9) The Mission
10) Slalom


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: klaatu on December 13, 2003, 08:32:41 PM
Here are mine.

1 Cinema Paradiso
2 Malena
3 Canon Inverso
4 City of Joy
5 Mission
6 Untouchble
7 Legend of 1900

He's by far the best sound music composer and still Hollywood never gave him award. Is it ignorance or due to nepotism?


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 14, 2003, 10:20:59 AM
Good question...

I don't have any answer.

Why is it that Morricone never won an oscar?

He lost in 1987, with "The Mission", against..... The LAst Emperor..... for example.

Anyway, I think the fact that he never won an oscar mades him even more legendary.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 14, 2003, 10:22:12 AM
Klaatu: I forgot "City of Joy".

Very beautiful and sad score.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Cusser on December 14, 2003, 12:28:02 PM
It was Untouchables which lost out to Last Emperor, what a waste.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 19, 2003, 02:47:54 PM
It was Untouchables and not The Mission???? My mistake?

Personnaly, I like The Untouchables score of course, but I don't think it's not one of Morricone's best score. I think between The Untouchables and The Last Emperor I would also choose Last Emperor.

But, if The Mission wasn't competing against Last Emperor, who won the Oscar instead of The Mission that year? Anyone knows?


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 19, 2003, 02:50:33 PM
Question: I consider "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" a great, outstanding score.

Did "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" competed against "Malena" the same year? If so, I woul choose "Crouching Tiger".

To me Morricone is God, but I try to be rational!!!!!

What do you think about "Crouching Tiger" score.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: klaatu on December 23, 2003, 08:34:25 PM
It was Untouchables and not The Mission???? My mistake?

Personnaly, I like The Untouchables score of course, but I don't think it's not one of Morricone's best score. I think between The Untouchables and The Last Emperor I would also choose Last Emperor.

But, if The Mission wasn't competing against Last Emperor, who won the Oscar instead of The Mission that year? Anyone knows?
'Untouchbles' was great but I agree that Last Emperor (especially 'Rain')was even more great. I have great respect to Ruyichi Sakamoto ,who is one of huge Morricone admirer, and I think he deserve it. As for 'Crouching Tiger(Yes it's great too), to me the reason 'Crouching Tiger' won was it was better movie than 'Malena'.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: klaatu on December 23, 2003, 08:46:36 PM
It was Untouchables and not The Mission???? My mistake?

Personnaly, I like The Untouchables score of course, but I don't think it's not one of Morricone's best score. I think between The Untouchables and The Last Emperor I would also choose Last Emperor.

But, if The Mission wasn't competing against Last Emperor, who won the Oscar instead of The Mission that year? Anyone knows?
Mission lost to 'Round Midnight' in 1986 then won golden globe.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: COLONNA on December 24, 2003, 04:02:22 AM
Ennio was very famous and every Producer during 70's-80's wanted a Morricone'theme for his products.
It was fashionable

I mean that  we must  now make a distinction between masterpieces seriously built with the Director (Sergio, Bernardo ....)  and tune (even great tune) componed far from the film .

In the first case Ennio was a partner, in the other case only a provider  .(a genius provider)

What you think about ?


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 25, 2003, 02:06:04 PM
As he said it himself, Ennio always preferred a good score, a very beautiful, melodic and "musical" score, than a "movie" one.

In his opinion, his music must sound good, and not to fit with the images. His music must sound good for itself. If it fits with the images, it's better, but it is not the first task of HIS music.

That's why you have some fabulous Morricone "movie" scores, who fits fantastically with the images, like "The Mission", "OUTA" or "OUTW", and others who are not so fantastic, as "movie" scores, but who are great as music.

I think about "Il Gatto" for example, anyone knows it?

I think also about many other scores from the seventies, with bozza nova and jazz influence, who are really jewells.

Also many other score from the eighties, more classical ones.

I agree with you, Colonna, a distinction must be made between all the scores.

But even in the hundred of "tunes" as you call them you can find some authentical jewel, music masterpieces.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: COLONNA on December 26, 2003, 08:08:05 AM

But even in the hundred of "tunes" as you call them you can find some authentical jewel, music masterpieces.

I agree with you Shorty Larsen, I only regret that Ennio has accepted to work for few low Directors. As we say in my country:" it's giving jam to pigs" :)


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: cigar joe on December 27, 2003, 05:33:47 AM
Quote
I mean that  we must  now make a distinction between masterpieces seriously built with the Director (Sergio, Bernardo ....)  and tune (even great tune) componed far from the film .

 
You are so right my friend.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 27, 2003, 09:19:28 AM
"As we say in my country:" it's giving jam to pigs"  ".

Colonna, what country are you from? Because we say the same thing in mine!

No doubt Morricone worked for low rated directors. Can we blame him for that?

I have more than 80 cd of Morricone, that is to say near 80 movies which music was composed by Morricone, and honestly, I only watched 20 or 30 of those movies.

My point is that for the rest of the movies scores, movies that I didn't watch (50 or 60), the music is excellent, even without having seeing the images.

Except for Leone's movies, or Tornatore's movies, I never buy a Morricone CD for the movie. No. I buy a Morricone CD because of Morricone, because he is a fantastic music composer.

He has a sensibility out of common and I wonder what would he became in the XVIII century for example, as a classical musci composer. Would he be a Mozart for example?

Let's not exagerate..... But anyway, Morricone is fantastic.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: klaatu on December 27, 2003, 01:22:58 PM
Shorty I can't agree you more. I sometimes try to avoid to watch flops that Morricone takes part in because the movies could kill the image of his sounds.  

Anyway Have you tried this CD?
(http://www.jazzitalia.net/recensioni/Immagini/playmorricone.jpg)


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 28, 2003, 07:42:41 AM
These are the 3 cds I'm looking for, without any succes.

I believe this cds are jewells:


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005HVOF.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005HVOE.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg



Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 28, 2003, 07:43:37 AM
Question: I was unable to insert the images.

How do you do it?


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: COLONNA on December 28, 2003, 07:56:33 AM
"
No doubt Morricone worked for low rated directors. Can we blame him for that?

My point is that for the rest of the movies scores, movies that I didn't watch (50 or 60), the music is excellent, even without having seeing the images.


Shorty,
I like Ennio very much too. But Sergio showed us that Music is an element of the movie and Music compositor a real partner.
When Ennio accepted to show his name on screen he did also accept to be one of the movie fathers. It is a big responsibility ...the same for an actor or a producer.

Let's be simple; Ennio wanted also make many money.

.. but Mozart too. ;)


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 28, 2003, 08:12:11 AM
No doubt Ennio is a multimillionaire by now!!!!

And I agree with you, let's not be naifs, Ennio wanted to make money.

I also agree when you say that a movie must be a unit, a homogen project. Everything has to be in harmony, specially the music.

Sometimes, Ennio was aware of this and tried to make an effort, like "Mission" for example, in wich he makes an effort to combine classical music with aborigen music and barroc chamber music, because of the script of "Mission".

From my own part, If I was a director, I would like a composer to make a score in perfect harmony with my images and with the way I like to tell my story. I think about "Dances with Wolves" by John Barry. I think that no other score in cinema history fits better with the images than this score. But I heard the music 2 years before watching the movie, and I was shocked by the music, without having watch the movie.

To me Ennio is much more than a movie composer. He is a friend thanks to whom my mind is transported in space thanks to his music.
 
Nevertheless, it's true that his scores doesn'y always fit with the images, but I don't give a sh....!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: klaatu on December 28, 2003, 03:35:06 PM
Question: I was unable to insert the images.

How do you do it?
Using image insert tag key. Just copy the URL of pic and paste it between [img] [img/]

Shorty I think web site is the only place you can find those CDs if you couldn't find them in Paris. Good Luck!


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on December 29, 2003, 01:07:14 PM
Thanks for the info Klaatu.

Those CD's are japanese (only the japanese are mad enough to produce this kind of cd!!!!) and very hard to find.

There no longer available on Amazon.com.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: The Smoker on June 18, 2004, 03:40:05 PM
Just got a copy of the 'Il Serpente' soundtrack LP
(http://www.forcedexposure.com/product_images/RED142CD.JPEG)
After work.. a local record shop. Another one of these Dagored Label, Morricone reissues. I think im addicted to them, ive got quite a few now.
Better than paying a small fortune on ebay.
http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/dagored.italy.html (http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/dagored.italy.html)

Some of them come with free mini movie posters.

The movie looks interesting. 'Night Flight From Moscow' its known outside Italy 1971
Dir: Henri Verneuil
Yul Bryner, Henry Fonda & Dirk Bogarde.. . Spy movie.

Score is very much like 'Una Lucertola Con La Pelle Di Donna' in style. very good.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Nobody on June 19, 2004, 04:22:35 AM
I recommended this cd on another board some time ago, but have some of you heard his latest album, Focus. He did it together with Dulce Pontes. Lyrics have been written to several of his film scores, with Ennio counducting and Dulce singing. She has a great voice, and the album is a beautiful one indeed.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Picabo on June 19, 2004, 08:39:18 PM
I love "Death rides a horse" and "U-Turn". "The big gundown" and "Navajo Joe" are amazing too. There are so many! :)


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on June 25, 2004, 02:52:28 PM
I have just downloaded the cd with Dulce POntes, it's not bad at all!!!


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Nobody on June 29, 2004, 05:17:18 AM
I'm glad you liked it.


Title: Re:Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: shorty larsen on June 29, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
Another very good cd, even if it is an old one, is "Mireille Mathieu sings Ennio Morricone".

Mireille Mathieu is a very well none french singer. My french friends can like her or not. Personnally I don't like her very much but she has a great voice and the cd is fantastic, specially one of the songs which doesn't belong to any movie and wich Morricone wrote specially for Mathieu. It's called "La Pluie et le Soleil" (The rain and the Sun).

http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000FYGH/qid=1088543243/sr=1-47/ref=sr_1_2_47/402-5493041-5795369




Title: Re: Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: Senza on February 25, 2013, 12:08:30 AM
- The Untouchables
- The Thing
- Cinema Paradiso


Title: Re: Favourite non-Leone Morricone Score
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2013, 04:10:41 AM
Cinema Paradiso