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Title: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jayson Kennedy on December 17, 2003, 12:12:31 PM
Hi guys, I just received the Italian CVC/Univideo R2/PAL DVD and here's the additions/extensions I noticed!

Waiting for the train:
- Little bit more dialogue (in Italian) from Station Agent to Elam before he's locked up.
- More Murdock shots with the birdcage.
- More Strode with hat filling up
- Elam sitting playing with fly seemed same as always.
- More Murdock cracking fingers (close-up)

When train arrives/three gunmen walk together:
- Tracking Elam P.O.V. shot inspecting down the length of the train while he taps his fingers on his side holster, right before he signals his men to turn away and leave.

Harmonica 'rising from the dead' after getting shot is included.

The McBain killings seem the same.

When Jill's train arrives:
- Longer tracking shot of train passengers leaving and passing cases and bags out the windows until the camera stops and we see Jill's head pop out of the doorway.

Cheyenne's first appearance:
- More reaction shots (2 or 3) of people looking at him while he walks in looking at them after the gunfire outside.
- Shot of Cheyenne looking over at Jill and the wagon driver after taking a drink revealing his handcuffs, he starts to take a second drink and the harmonica is heard.
- 1 shot of Cheyene looking straight at Harmonica after he's revealed, before he walks up to him.
- More reaction shots from people when Cheyenne forces the man to shoot his cuffs off.
- 1 shot of Cheyenne's gang stepping in.

When Jill and Wagon Driver come up on the slain McBains.
- 1 shot of Wagon Driver looking confused along with Jill as they see the group of mourers.

Washing Station:
- When Cheyenne sees that Harmonica is now protecting Jill from the hills with his men his music extends into the following scene where Wobbles is in the wash station and ends when Jill opens the door to confront him about Frank.
- 1 shot of Harmonica watching Woobles walk out of the wash station while Wobbles looks back to see where Jill went right after Jill walks passed Harmonica.

Wooble's Death:
- When he's kicked out of the train by Frank quiet music begins to play and when he sees Cheyenne under the train a guitar plucks the notes of his 'theme'

Cheyenne's train surprise attack:
- Morton noticing the metal Jester chess piece of his desk shaking from the train's movement, it falls over and he quickly grabs it upright so as not to wake Frank's men.    

Jill and Harmonica at the bar:
- When Frank enters his music ends before he sits down and taps his heel down, the music ends right when he taps it down in the international cut.

Harmonica waits for Frank:
- 1 more shot of the railroad workers placing logs down
- When Harmonica sees Cheyenne approach he twists his gun on the pole towards the camera.

The Duel:
- When we see the young Frank walking towards the camera we can much clearly see who it is from the beginning, instead of him being darkened until he gets right up on the camera.
- A jarring cut in the music as Frank is looking at the young Harmonica
- When Frank is stumbling forward from being shot with the blue sky above him, the broken harmonica 'Death Rattle' plays throughout, instead of just when the harmonica is placed in his mouth and he looks into dead space.


Okay, I'm sure there's more and I haven't watched absolutely all of it but there are definitely many alterations!

Very cool!  ;D        
 



 
 


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Cusser on December 21, 2003, 10:34:02 AM
Does that DVD include the scene with Morton's toy figure falling over (Morton grabs it, tied-up Harmonica watches) ?  I've seen the quicktime file, to Morton's music, and have the file saved (2.4MB) but don't know how to attach it.


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jupa on January 02, 2004, 02:40:24 AM
Does that DVD include the scene with Morton's toy figure falling over (Morton grabs it, tied-up Harmonica watches) ?  I've seen the quicktime file, to Morton's music, and have the file saved (2.4MB) but don't know how to attach it.

"Cheyenne's train surprise attack:
- Morton noticing the metal Jester chess piece of his desk shaking from the train's movement, it falls over and he quickly grabs it upright so as not to wake Frank's men."

I think the above part is the bit with Morton's toy figure.


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jupa on January 02, 2004, 02:47:35 AM
Hi guys, I just received the Italian CVC/Univideo R2/PAL DVD and here's the additions/extensions I noticed!

Thank you for the additions!The Italian DVD seems to have the longest version of the movie.

BTW,how long is the Italian version?I think the non-Italian Euro-version is 159 minutes.


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jayson Kennedy on January 03, 2004, 08:54:11 AM
BTW,how long is the Italian version?I think the non-Italian Euro-version is 159 minutes.

Sorry for the delay, it's 171 Minutes. Remember that if your referring to the new Euro DVD versions they're 158 minutes in PAL due to speed up, regular "international" 165 minutes in native NTSC frame rate. Meaning all the  new Paramount DVDs are the same version.


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jupa on January 04, 2004, 10:39:38 AM
To be precise,the new Euro DVD version is 159 minutes(it says so on the back cover).I know that all the new Paramount DVD's are the same version due to the infamous PAL speed-up.

But the Italian PAL version is 171 minutes,then,so it is 12 minutes longer than the Paramount version.


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jayson Kennedy on January 04, 2004, 02:47:03 PM
To be precise,the new Euro DVD version is 159 minutes(it says so on the back cover).I know that all the new Paramount DVD's are the same version due to the infamous PAL speed-up.

But the Italian PAL version is 171 minutes,then,so it is 12 minutes longer than the Paramount version.

It isn't exactly 'correct' when speaking of a film that was intended for NTSC frame rate. The film is properly timed in it, making even the european DVD run 165 minutes if it didn't speed up from the different process.  


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jupa on January 06, 2004, 02:02:42 PM
I'm not exactly sure what you're after,but if you mean that the Euro version is the same as the US version,then yes,you're right.The Euro version is also the "165" minutes version.It would run 165 minutes without the speed-up.

But with the speed-up it is 159 minutes.Right?


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jayson Kennedy on January 07, 2004, 05:01:20 PM
I'm not exactly sure what you're after,but if you mean that the Euro version is the same as the US version,then yes,you're right.The Euro version is also the "165" minutes version.It would run 165 minutes without the speed-up.

But with the speed-up it is 159 minutes.Right?

Yes, PAL and NTSC television standards run at different frequencies. PAL runs slightly faster to NTSC. So all PAL encoded material may have shorter times but it's really the same. It's not very noticable when actually watching PAL though.  


Title: Re:The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Jupa on January 09, 2004, 06:06:24 AM
You're right.I've never noticed the speed-up with Pal.But I've never understood how Pal exactly runs faster and how it shows in the film.It's certainly not any "fast forward" speed-up.I think only an expert would notice the Pal speed-up.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: dave jenkins on February 16, 2006, 01:01:52 AM
Some people have claimed that you can hear a difference in the actors' voices under PAL speed up.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 20, 2006, 05:04:33 PM
The voice change is often corrected with Pitch Change. Often you won't notice it but watch a NTSC Simpsons episode and then a PAL episode (both in the same language of course) and you should notice the difference.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Banjo on February 21, 2006, 04:44:04 AM
Some people have claimed that you can hear a difference in the actors' voices under PAL speed up.
I've also noticed from my Region 2 DVD's that in comparison to my CD's,Morricones scores  to DYS,FOD and FAFDM sound slightly hurried and of a higher pitch because of this PAL speed-up.I have the Region 1 DVD versions of both GBU and UOATITW and i don't have any problem whatsoever with the soundtrack in these cases.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 23, 2006, 10:05:51 AM
Does the italian dvd have the complete finale music playing over the end credits? Many purists were upset that Paramount did not fix this when they were doing the restoration. There was a major article about this in an issue of Video Watchdog(I have the issue somewhere)and Paramount has since been made aware of the screw up. Don't know if the problem has been fixed though.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Ratboy on March 25, 2006, 09:17:47 PM
Wait, wait, wait, wait! There's a new longer cut of the film? This is the first I've heard of it. Please, tell me more. Will it be coming to Region 1? Does an English soundtrack exist? When was the additional footage added (or removed)?


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 26, 2006, 05:58:36 AM
This cut is the original Italian release version and can be bought on DVD in Italy. I believe there is no plans to bring it over to R1.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: titoli on April 29, 2006, 07:28:30 PM
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This cut is the original Italian release version


The version I saw repeatedly in the theatres in Italy starting from 1969 were not this long. The "rising from the dead" I first saw it when the Director's cut version was first released in the mid '90's. I'm pretty sure it wasn't even in the version which was first televised in the late '80's. Can't be accurate about this, but I think I remember well.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 08:16:13 PM
This cut is the original Italian release version and can be bought on DVD in Italy. I believe there is no plans to bring it over to R1.

wasnt the 2003 dvd release the actual uncut version?


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 29, 2006, 09:16:24 PM
There's about four more minutes in the Italian DVD including a scene where Morton drops his soldier figure ( an obvios symbol of himself ) and catches it before it hits the floor. His theme music is first used here and it's right before Cheyenne rescues Harmonica. I wish I had the Italian DVD, I'd really like to see all of those deleted scenes.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 09:22:21 PM
There's about four more minutes in the Italian DVD including a scene where Morton drops his soldier figure ( an obvios symbol of himself ) and catches it before it hits the floor. His theme music is first used here and it's right before Cheyenne rescues Harmonica. I wish I had the Italian DVD, I'd really like to see all of those deleted scenes.


damn. I have to be getting this then. Is it sold at xploited cinema?


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 29, 2006, 09:25:19 PM
I don't know. I really want to get my hands on the DVD too...but thanks to the major studio's region bs I am not allowed to watch it.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 09:28:19 PM
I don't know. I really want to get my hands on the DVD too...but thanks to the major studio's region bs I am not allowed to watch it.

well you could get a boot leg or buy a region free dvd player.
I need to pick this up for sure. I know there is an italian version on xploited cinema but I was not aware it had 4 minutes of extra scenes. Is it in italian only? And if so does it have english subtitles(not that I would need it  ::) )?


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 29, 2006, 09:34:46 PM
No English track but possible subtitles. The deleted scenes are mostly just extra shots with the exception of the Morton scene.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 09:36:22 PM
No English track but possible subtitles. The deleted scenes are mostly just extra shots with the exception of the Morton scene.

Well thats fine if their is no subtitles. I know that film back to front and plus there is not much dialogue as you already know.
Seems the only thing I will be interested in is the newly added scene with Morton.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 29, 2006, 09:38:24 PM
Yeh, it sounds good. You can see in the Paramount release that there is something missing between Frank's men riding off and when Morton goes to sit back down. But anyway, are there any deleted scenes on the DYS DVD?


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 09:41:57 PM
Yeh, it sounds good. You can see in the Paramount release that there is something missing between Frank's men riding off and when Morton goes to sit back down. But anyway, are there any deleted scenes on the DYS DVD?


The one I will be giving you is uncut(for now, as I see more scenes on the distant horizon) except for 6 seconds that the British censors decided to cut due to some animal cruelty.
Nothing to cry about.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 29, 2006, 09:43:40 PM
I heard about that. Six seconds is nothing to cry over but it's still kinda' rediculous. Just because the horses stumble they remove six seconds? That's a waste of time.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 09:47:10 PM
I heard about that. Six seconds is nothing to cry over but it's still kinda' rediculous. Just because the horses stumble they remove six seconds? That's a waste of time.

Well I hear the british censors are pretty touchy about animal cruelty.

I have seen the footage that was cut on Encore westerns and I have to say that I really dont see much of a difference between the footage that is in and the footage that was cut. Only one horse stood out from the six seconds, the animal was filpped over and the rider was launched a few feet forward before slamming to the ground and moving out of the way just in time before the horse that is rolling towards him crushes him.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Le Bon on April 30, 2006, 06:42:48 AM
Well thats fine if their is no subtitles. I know that film back to front and plus there is not much dialogue as you already know.
Seems the only thing I will be interested in is the newly added scene with Morton.

Most of the extra stuff is just a few seconds added to existing scenes. Quite a few at the opening station scene and when Frank arrives at Sweetwater Harmonica turns his gun on the post so it is pointing at Frank. I have a copy of this version now. There is a full listing of the scenes on this board which someone posted about a year ago.


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 06:47:47 AM
Well I hear the british censors are pretty touchy about animal cruelty.
Yes they are, but its debatable if this is cruelty(which i despise) in DYS.As discussed in another thread i actually timed the difference as only 3 seconds-theres just no way that you know anythings been cut-all the action,dialogue and Morricones music are all in tact .I don't understand why anyones holding out fot the Region 1 dvd for the sake of one or two missing horsefalls.If i haven't had read it here or wherever i wouldn't have been any the wiser-and the same goes for Mrs Banjo!


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 06:50:07 AM
I heard about that. Six seconds is nothing to cry over but it's still kinda' rediculous. Just because the horses stumble they remove six seconds? That's a waste of time.
I'm more worried about the British censors editing out all the naked tottie out of the Hammer Horrors in the late 60/early 70s :(


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 30, 2006, 11:07:37 AM
Don't worry I know they wont  ;)


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2006, 07:32:02 PM
whats a tottie, similar to a fanny  ;)


Title: Re: The Italian DVD Scene Extensions
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2006, 06:32:39 AM
Not that specific CJ.
Means just the same as crumpet!