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Title: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on May 29, 2008, 04:49:12 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059434/

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/massacro_canyon.htm

Mediocre Corbucci, in pre-Leone (or pre-Corbucci, if you want) style. Mitchum is the usual loner who goes back home and has to free the city from the local villain who has two sons, a good one (a pubescent Andrea Giordana: amazing how three years after he will look a man, so much more handsome than here) and a bad one (Ardisson: he plays the villain better and, in my opinion, this is his best performance ever in a western. He reminded me, with those golden - peroxidated? - hair, of Richard Widmark). There isn't a single element to distinguish this from b-series telefilms. The Ferrio's score is derivative as well, a theme reminded me of Morricone's A Gringo Like Me. 4\10 only for higher than usual production values and the curiosity of watching Mitchum's son play.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 30, 2008, 03:41:53 PM
The Italian DB says Corbucci used Albert Band's name as a pseudynom?
I thought Band co-directed?


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 30, 2008, 04:02:36 PM
Here is the fairly exceptional opening sequence...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgaOEbzzIck


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on May 30, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
Th Italian DB says Corbucci used Albert Band's name as a pseudynom?
I thought Band co-directed?

Yes.
No idea, have to check sources.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 30, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Yes.



Aha! I'm getting better.
I can translate that entire paragrapgh.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on May 30, 2008, 05:03:10 PM
Yeah, but learn italian from other sources: at that db they don't know how to write correctly.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on May 31, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
The movie was started by Band, but producers lost faith in him and the movie was completed by Corbucci, who is reported as saying he shot only some scenes. So fundamentally is a Band movie.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on November 11, 2008, 01:08:45 PM
But Albert Band alias Alfredo Antonini was the producer of the film. He also wrote the screenplay together with Corbucci.

It's clearly his film, at least there is nothing recognizable which could remind me of Corbucci.

Corbucci and Antonini worked again together for I Crudeli, and it is reported that Antonini interfered in the directing.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on November 11, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
Band was one of the producers. It was Vasile who ousted him from direction and called Corbucci.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on November 12, 2008, 05:35:54 AM
Band was one of the producers. It was Vasile who ousted him from direction and called Corbucci.

Where did you get this information from?
Is the info about Corbucci not directing very much also from this source?

I always thought Corbett was a Corbucci pseudonym. Was it used on any other films?

Who is Vasile?
In my german book by U. Bruckner a Danilo Marciani is named together with AA as producers.

Do you have also some infos about their colaboration on I crudeli?



Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on November 12, 2008, 08:56:42 AM
That's where I got my infos from. You'll also find therein most answers to your questions and more.

(http://img2.webster.it/BIT/277/9788804572770g.jpg)


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on November 12, 2008, 09:56:39 AM
He he I would buy it, if I could read italian


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on November 12, 2008, 12:22:16 PM
That's a good place to start learning it, if you care about SW. Is the Bruckner book worth buying?


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on November 12, 2008, 01:59:36 PM
Yes and no.

It's worth the money for the amount of data about SWs like release dates, runtimes, aspect ratios and more. There are also lots of photos, in which I'm not so interested.

Unfortunately he is not a very good writer and what he has to say about the films is not very interesting and also a bit boring to read. And the contemporary reviews he adds are even worse.

Well, it's a large book with 730 pages, and the data part with about 300 pages about actors, directors, composers, screenplaywriters, DoPs and all SWs and Euro westerns with basic data is useful for every fan, cause he works with the original titles. The German titles are only added, as are the English, Spanish and French ones.

The rest of the book is in German about over 100 of the usual classics, but as I said not a great pleasure to read.

Of course there are also errors, but he works on them, this is not like the Weisser fairy tales.

But if you have this book by Giusti you probably won't need it.

As I'm not intending to learn Italian, I would still prefer to get the answers to my questions here in the forum, or maybe at the SW data base.





Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on November 13, 2008, 12:30:19 AM
Where did you get this information from?
Is the info about Corbucci not directing very much also from this source?

I always thought Corbett was a Corbucci pseudonym. Was it used on any other films?

Who is Vasile?
In my german book by U. Bruckner a Danilo Marciani is named together with AA as producers.

Do you have also some infos about their colaboration on I crudeli?



I don't know about the Corbett pseudo.

Marciani was the executive producer.

Vasile was producer with Band and Mario Ferrari.

In I crudeli Corbucci directed Band screenplay (based on a tale by Will Cook, Guns of North Texas). Band was also the producer.

P.S. You better learn italian.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on November 13, 2008, 02:11:49 AM
I'm too old for it.

But I can at least meanwhile translate most of the italian titles. And I watch many of them in italian with subs.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on May 19, 2009, 11:30:47 AM
I have bought a book on Corbucci where it is included his autobiography. He writes: "MACG is one of those mysterious films which are  credited to me though I only shot some scenes. It was just a mercenary business. I took the money and went back to Rome". 



Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on May 19, 2009, 12:03:31 PM
I have bought a book on Corbucci where it is included his autobiography. He writes: "MACG is one of those mysterious films which are  credited to me though I only shot some scenes. It was just a mercenary business. I took the money and went back to Rome". 



Seems reasonable as his peplums are also much, much better directed than this turkey.

Can you give us please some details about the book.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on May 19, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Sergio Corbucci a cura di Orio Caldiron, Ramberti Editore, Rimini, 1993.


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: stanton on November 04, 2009, 11:58:37 AM
Say Titoli, are there some more Corbucci statements about his films in this book? About which westerns he was interested in and in which not? Or why he made them?


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on November 04, 2009, 01:54:16 PM
Say Titoli, are there some more Corbucci statements about his films in this book? About which westerns he was interested in and in which not? Or why he made them?

Yes, though I just riffled through it. But this is the book from which many of Corbucci's statements to be found elsewhere derive. 


Title: Re: Massacre at Canyon Grande (Massacro al Grande Canyon)(1964)
Post by: titoli on December 20, 2014, 01:45:47 PM
George Ardisson died a week ago.