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Title: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 07, 2008, 06:05:57 PM

I recently viewed this for the first time, finally! It was much better than what I expected. For those of you who are so obsessed with "Tombstone", I think "Silverado" is a much more fitting tribute to the old classic westerns. I'm surprised to find that there was no thread for "Silverado" here. I think it's great fun.

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Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 07, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
I found it rather bleh with a few good individual scenes.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 07, 2008, 06:12:19 PM
I found it rather bleh with a few good individual scenes.

I think it's good old-fashioned fun.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on July 07, 2008, 07:18:25 PM
 Parts of it were good, but overall I agree with Groggy.  I saw it once and see bits and pieces every once in awhile on AMC, but it just doesn't hold my interest.  Kevin Kline, Danny Glover and Scott Glenn are good, but Kevin Costner seems out of place.  He looks like a little kid out of the 1950s dressed up as a cowboy with his gunbelt, much like CJ in his childhood pics. ;D

  Something just didn't click here for me although its not necessarily a bad movie.  Average western, but I'll stick with good old Tombstone. :)


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: cigar joe on July 07, 2008, 09:41:08 PM
I didn't care much for it either, Costner hanging around like an orangutan WTF was up with that? 

The thread that ran through every Western from 1903's Great Train Robbery to the early 70's was broken somewhere near the end of the 70's it seems. Every Western had elements of Westerns that came before, lots familiar actors, familiar faces, familiar locations. Each fed on previous Westerns.

With Silverado where were the familar Western faces? Only one Sheb Wooley from "Rawhide", and I don't even remember his particular part. In my opinion Kevin Kline, John Cleese, Brian Dennehy, Jeff Goldblum, just don't seem right belonging in a Western, they stick out like sore thumbs, they don't seem rugged enough too metrosexual. I don't think they know how to cast Westerns anymore.

Its the same way with "The Quick & The Dead" you had token parts for Pat Hingle & Woody Strode and everyone else just don't seem right, aside from Gene Hackman.

The stable for Western character actors is too thin.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 08, 2008, 07:58:58 AM
I hated Costner's character, I agree there. I was definitely hoping he'd get wasted.

IMO the first hour or so was terrible. It seemed in the early sections like the sole point of the film was to pay homage to classic Westerns (cattle drives, bar fights, shootouts/duels, horse chases, etc.). Fair enough, but what's so inherently entertaining about that? Does Kasdan think that by reminding us of better films we'll forget how crappy this one is? I thought the second half was much better, as there was actually a plot to follow rather than a random series of shootouts, confrontations and chases. The cast was decent overall, though Costner sucked and I agree John Cleese's cameo was a joke, and not really a funny one either.

I'm pretty sure Wooley was the cavalry officer that Kline and Scott Glenn run into in that town towards the beginning. It's been a few years since I've seen the film though, so my memory's sketchy.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 08, 2008, 01:04:54 PM

Some of you are nitpicking way to much when it comes to this film. It's a homage film, and it deliever's what it's supposed to. Like I said before, it's old fashioned fun. Leave your brain at the door and enjoy it and stop analyzing every single moment. I know film and this film is not terrible by no means.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 08, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
So it's our fault if we don't like the film? Is it just possible that we're NOT overanalyzing it, that it just isn't very good.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 08, 2008, 08:50:42 PM
So it's our fault if we don't like the film? Is it just possible that we're NOT overanalyzing it, that it just isn't very good.

No, you're overanalyzing it just like many of the member's here do with every other film and I won't mention names. I never said the film was AMAZING or a classic. I'm just saying it doesn't suck.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: cigar joe on July 09, 2008, 05:19:02 AM
Well I suppose it depends on what you're definition of Suck is, in the last 20 years tell us which Westerns sucked.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 09, 2008, 05:48:03 AM
No, you're overanalyzing it just like many of the member's here do with every other film and I won't mention names. I never said the film was AMAZING or a classic. I'm just saying it doesn't suck.

No offense, TB, but you seem very reluctant to criticize much any film. I second CJ's question here.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on July 09, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
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No, you're overanalyzing it just like many of the member's here do with every other film and I won't mention names. I never said the film was AMAZING or a classic. I'm just saying it doesn't suck.

 I didn't look at it as "overanalyzing."  I was just pointing out the things I didn't care for about this movie, plain and simple.   ;D


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 09, 2008, 12:41:18 PM
No offense, TB, but you seem very reluctant to criticize much any film. I second CJ's question here.

See, there's where you're wrong. I don't like many, many films. The thing with me is, and I've mentioned it before, I don't talk much or post about films I don't like. That's just me. I don't waste time doing so. Most of the time when I watch a film I don't like, I don't post about it.

Anyway, westerns' the past twenty year's that have sucked. Well, there hasn't been many western's made. Here's a few that I've seen that have sucked off the top of my head...

Wild Wild West
American Outlaws
Brothers in Arms
Wild Bill
Wagon's East
Bad Girls


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 09, 2008, 03:41:07 PM
Yeah, but whenever somebody levels a criticism at a film you like you accuse us of being hypercritical or the like. Saying that you need to leave your brain at the door isn't much of a defense; it basically labels the film as stupid and unworthy of thought or serious consideration.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Panache on July 09, 2008, 03:45:12 PM
No offense, TB, but you seem very reluctant to criticize much any film. I second CJ's question here.

mybe hes like me an doesnt go out of his way to see a bad movie, jus ta find out how bad it is

i dont see or rent em if th subject dosnt intrest me, or if i hear bad sht bout em- wats th point of wasting 2 hours of yer life and yer money to see something ya know you wont like to begin with - id rather watch 1 i know il like or 1 i seen bfore an know its good

almos ever time i see a movie i know nothin bout ahead of time, i get burned- an thres no point writing how bad it sucked, cause then ya wasted evn more time on it

Brokeback Mountain was up for a buncha awards, an got graet reviws, bt il nevr know if its any good, cause i don wanna watch 2 guys kissin(hope thts all thy do ;D- so i don always go by wat i hear

as fr Silverado, i enjoyed it, was it classic like Leone or Ford- no
 it was like Long Riders or Young Guns, a fluffy western design to get chix as well as guys into th theatre
i don thnk anyone would put it up thre wit Shane or OUTITW, bt it beats th hell outta bein forced ta watch Terms of Endearment wit yer ol lady


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 09, 2008, 04:37:22 PM
I'll also point out, before it's brought up in Silverado's defense, that OUATITW is also a "homage" film. The difference is that OUATITW actually does something with the homages, not just throwing them in for their own sake!


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 09, 2008, 06:46:17 PM
I'll also point out, before it's brought up in Silverado's defense, that OUATITW is also a "homage" film. The difference is that OUATITW actually does something with the homages, not just throwing them in for their own sake!

Ok Groggs, you don't like "Silverado", no big deal. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on July 10, 2008, 06:10:29 AM
Ok Groggs, you don't like "Silverado", no big deal. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

Fine. Be that way. :D


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: T.H. on August 01, 2008, 11:29:01 PM
No, you're overanalyzing it just like many of the member's here do with every other film and I won't mention names. I never said the film was AMAZING or a classic. I'm just saying it doesn't suck.

I will.

the nitpickers consortium:

Dave Jenkins
Titoli
Cigar Joe
Groggy
Tuco Harmonica

Maybe I'm forgetting a couple users.

TB, if you had a choice, would you choose over-analyzation or a barrage of negative one-liners (ie "It Sucks")?Constructive criticism, or nitpicking, to me, is an indication of a very healthy and productive message board. If we all blindly praised every movie ever made, what would be the point of posting?


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 02, 2008, 12:09:43 AM
TB, if you had a choice, would you choose over-analyzation or a barrage of negative one-liners (ie "It Sucks")?Constructive criticism, or nitpicking, to me, is an indication of a very healthy and productive message board. If we all blindly praised every movie ever made, what would be the point of posting?
Exactly. O0


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 02, 2008, 02:41:27 AM
I will.

the nitpickers consortium:

Dave Jenkins
Titoli
Cigar Joe
Groggy
Tuco Harmonica

Maybe I'm forgetting a couple users.

TB, if you had a choice, would you choose over-analyzation or a barrage of negative one-liners (ie "It Sucks")?Constructive criticism, or nitpicking, to me, is an indication of a very healthy and productive message board. If we all blindly praised every movie ever made, what would be the point of posting?

Pointless post. I don't like many films. I've pointed this out before. You are the people who nitpick EVERYTHING. Try liking a film for once instead of picking out everything you hate about it. You just don't get the point. You and your little crew you posted are FILM SNOBS and nothing more.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on August 02, 2008, 05:30:05 AM
Pointless post. I don't like many films. I've pointed this out before. You are the people who nitpick EVERYTHING. Try liking a film for once instead of picking out everything you hate about it. You just don't get the point. You and your little crew you posted are FILM SNOBS and nothing more.

We're snobs because we happen to disagree with your opinion on a film? You just keep on telling yourself that... ::)

I never said Silverado sucks at any rate, just that it wasn't a great movie.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 02, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
We're snobs because we happen to disagree with your opinion on a film? You just keep on telling yourself that... ::)

I never said Silverado sucks at any rate, just that it wasn't a great movie.

I don't know what your problem is lately Groggy. If I were you, I'd stay out of this. I wasn't really talking to you.  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on August 02, 2008, 04:04:17 PM
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I don't know what your problem is lately Groggy.

Why so sensitive? ::)

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If I were you, I'd stay out of this. I wasn't really talking to you

It doesn't involve me? Then what's this?

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You are the people who nitpick EVERYTHING. Try liking a film for once instead of picking out everything you hate about it. You just don't get the point. You and your little crew you posted are FILM SNOBS and nothing more
.

I think I'm being referenced in that statement.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: T.H. on August 02, 2008, 05:18:31 PM
Pointless post. I don't like many films. I've pointed this out before. You are the people who nitpick EVERYTHING. Try liking a film for once instead of picking out everything you hate about it. You just don't get the point. You and your little crew you posted are FILM SNOBS and nothing more.

TB, you're completely wrong on this issue. Most members on this board are very respecrful and are simply giving their honest opinion of a movie. I don't understand how their views or criticisms make them a snob? I could be mistaken, but I have never once seen a user insult you for your taste, so why insult other members? Wouldn't that make you guilty of a little snobbery as well?


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Panache on August 02, 2008, 05:39:25 PM
I don't know what your problem is lately Groggy. If I were you, I'd stay out of this. I wasn't really talking to you.  ::) ::) ::)

need any help, bro, i brought Sly in ta watch our backs O0 ;D 8)


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 02, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
TB, you're completely wrong on this issue. Most members on this board are very respecrful and are simply giving their honest opinion of a movie. I don't understand how their views or criticisms make them a snob? I could be mistaken, but I have never once seen a user insult you for your taste, so why insult other members? Wouldn't that make you guilty of a little snobbery as well?

I'm far from a snob. I'm always very respectful until someone throws some kind of a dig at me which happens a lot. I'm not trying to start an argument here but I was attacked by a couple of you again so I'll just comment on it as I have.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: T.H. on August 02, 2008, 07:45:50 PM
I'm far from a snob. I'm always very respectful until someone throws some kind of a dig at me which happens a lot. I'm not trying to start an argument here but I was attacked by a couple of you again so I'll just comment on it as I have.

Are you mistaking a differing opinion for a dig? I have never seen anyone insult you here, though I'm not saying that it has never happened. I just can't relate to what you're saying. Oh well. I hope you don't think I have ever insulted you or anything.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 02, 2008, 08:26:24 PM
Are you mistaking a differing opinion for a dig? I have never seen anyone insult you here, though I'm not saying that it has never happened. I just can't relate to what you're saying. Oh well. I hope you don't think I have ever insulted you or anything.

No, I don't think you have insulted me. haha. I'm not even upset with anybody Tuco. You're one of my favorite poster's here. Some people take some things way to seriously. I'm not even getting mad here.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: T.H. on August 02, 2008, 10:25:43 PM
No, I don't think you have insulted me. haha. I'm not even upset with anybody Tuco. You're one of my favorite poster's here. Some people take some things way to seriously. I'm not even getting mad here.

That's good to hear, TB. You're one of my favorite posters too.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on August 06, 2008, 08:14:21 AM
mybe hes like me an doesnt go out of his way to see a bad movie, jus ta find out how bad it is

i dont see or rent em if th subject dosnt intrest me, or if i hear bad sht bout em- wats th point of wasting 2 hours of yer life and yer money to see something ya know you wont like to begin with - id rather watch 1 i know il like or 1 i seen bfore an know its good

How about we were expecting to enjoy and we were disappointed by? Is it remotely possible that a film didn't live up to our expectations? :D

This whole thread has been laughable, and quite baffling to me at least. TB is usually one of the more respectful and friendly members here, I don't know why he feels the need to go batshit just because some people disagree with him, on this thread in particular. :-\


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 06, 2008, 12:27:22 PM
How about we were expecting to enjoy and we were disappointed by? Is it remotely possible that a film didn't live up to our expectations? :D

This whole thread has been laughable, and quite baffling to me at least. TB is usually one of the more respectful and friendly members here, I don't know why he feels the need to go batshit just because some people disagree with him, on this thread in particular. :-\

Groggy, what are you talking about? I still am being respectful, even more so still then some other member's. I'm not batshitting anything up as you say. In my personal opinion I just think some people here take this film the wrong way and that's how I feel. If you're not crazy about it, that's fine. Let it be.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on August 06, 2008, 04:15:33 PM
Calling everyone who disagrees with you a nit-picking snob is respectful? Interesting definition you have. :D

I don't see anything that can be gained from continuing this argument, though.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 06, 2008, 04:36:20 PM
Calling everyone who disagrees with you a nit-picking snob is respectful? Interesting definition you have. :D

I don't see anything that can be gained from continuing this argument, though.

Yes, I do think a few people here are snobs. That's just my opinion. And, I do not call everyone who disagree's with me "snobs." That's a bit to extreme, Groggy.  8)


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: titoli on August 16, 2008, 02:09:42 PM
Saw the movie today. The first third was promising, quite original with unrelenting rhythm. The movie starts to lose direction when the 4 arrive in Silverado. The problems are many. You don't have a well defined villain. Actually the villain is not defined at all, so you'rem induced to think that is Dennehy (great as usual in this movie) who is not that bad, though. And there is the problem of the actors. Cleese is a poor man's David Carradine: I watch him and think invariably about the other: am I alone there? He just can't be the lead.   So it should be up to Kevin Kline. Kevin Kline, you heard me. Come on... The Costner character is wrong from the starts, even if it was meant to be a parody. And it shouldn't have been played by Costner anyway.
And the movie it's too long, it tends to be too repetitive. I can't do without the kid(napping). A pity because the premises were good.
Still I want to take up CJ's opinions about the actors. CJ, the problem it is not that a stable of familiar faces got lost and not substituted. It's that the casting should be up to its task. How can you have Kline in a western at all? I laughed no end when I saw him duelling with Dennehy, was expecting to make some practical joke. The problem is that we are accustomed to Leone's casting, expecially of secondary roles, and that was rarely equalled in AW.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Groggy on August 16, 2008, 05:13:12 PM
I assume you mean Scott Glenn and not John Cleese? :D


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: titoli on August 16, 2008, 06:23:59 PM
Yep, you're right.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: T.H. on June 19, 2014, 12:36:29 AM
After seeing various bits on tv throughout the years I finally watched this from start to finish, and I pretty much agree with titoli's 2008 opinion on this.

I really enjoyed the first 45 mins or so, it was an excellently paced, fun adventure journey/chase movie. While the action was over the top, there were clever bits - for ex the way the gang retrieved the stolen money from the settlers.

After the exciting start, the movie plods along and each passing scene grows more uninteresting. Klein's character all of a sudden isn't going to help his friends when he made all of the right choices for the first hour or so? To repeat what titoli said, there is no lead villain, even though Dennehy does the best with what he was given. The action in the last third was repetitive and is made of silly bits I imagine you see at an amusement park wild west shows, as opposed to something with some emotion or weight behind it.

Basically there are two 100 min films here. One, the chase adventure film where these four men's paths cross and they get involved in all kinds of shenanigans and make the decision to help others by chasing after something or someone. And two, four drifters brought to a town by fate decide to fight against the evil authority, or something like that.

Instead, we have a mishmash of both films, filled with odd coincidences and introductions of characters for plot convenience (ie Dennehy's intro) and nothing comes together whatsoever. I don't even want to begin to think what the inciting incident of this movie could possibly be.

6.5/10


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: Dust Devil on September 27, 2014, 05:17:57 AM
A freakin' bore and complete waste of time, yet peculiar movie in that it shows you how on television everything looks better. That's probably how news work anyway.

I won't write much,  don't wanna tempt the destiny in case TB is still monitoring this topic: I agree with much of the laments written above, everything else falls in the category of preferences anyway...

Scott Glenn, Kevin Costner, Kevin Kline, John Cleese (and those other fellas):
1) in a W
2) together in a W
3) together in a 2 + hours W
4) together in a movie with Brian Dennehy
5) together in a movie with Brian Dennehy and cast playing against him
6) 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5
7) 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + billed on the top of him

I mean... Just how wrong can you go in just one attempt?

Merciful as I am, I give it a 4/10.


Title: Re: Silverado (1985)
Post by: greenbudgie on March 17, 2017, 06:33:32 AM
What is really interesting for me is the friendship between tall Kevin Kline and dwarfish Linda Hunt. There is a hint of flirtation going on in there as well. My mind boggles at the prospect of their friendship turning into a love affair.