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Title: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 20, 2007, 11:57:13 PM
I think Thomas Newman has made some brilliant score's up until this point in his career. He's not as good as Morricone when you compare their bodies of work up until this point but the guy has a unique style, somewhat like Ennio did starting out.

Thomas Newman's Brilliant Scores.

Road To Perdition
American Beauty
Cinderella Man
The Shawshank Redemption
Angels in America
Meet Joe Black
The Green Mile


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 21, 2007, 12:58:31 AM
Oh I was glad you started this post!

I would like to say John Barry has done some lovely themes.

He's done beautiful music for the James Bond films (not just the 007 Theme) but the love theme for On Her Majesty's Secret Service was charming.

Out of Africa
Chaplin (my favorite)
Dances with Wolves (great movie, great score)
The Lion in Winter (Haven't heard but won oscar
Midnight Cowboy (Want to see it)
Zulu

Next is Jerry Goldsmith who's done great music.

Planet of the Apes caught me completly off guard when I first heard it.
The Omen (probably his most famous)
Chinatown
Patton
Alien (Great movie)
Poltergiest
The Wind and the Lion
Papillon
Hoosiers


Maurice Jarre (David Lean's collaborater)
Doctor Zhivago (Lara's Theme is probably the greatest love theme of all time)
Lawrence of Arabia (famous desert theme)
Dead Poets Society
Gorillas in the Mist
Jesus of Nazareth
Fatal Attraction
Jacob's Latter
Witness


Afred Newman (won the most academy awards for original score, with over 45 nominations)
The Robe
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Greatest Story Ever Told (beautiful theme)
All About Eve
The Prisoner of Zenda (twice)
Gunga Din
The Diary of Anne Frank

Elmer Bernstien (another legend)
Far From Heaven
The Rainmaker
My Left Foot
To Kill a Mockingbird
Three Amigos
Ghostbusters
Animal House
The Magnificent Seven
The Ten Commandments
Birdman of Alkatraz

Bernard Hermann
Taxi Driver
Citizen Kane
The Man Who Knew Too Much
Vertigo
North by Northwest
Psycho

I can go on but I'll give everyone else a chance to post. ;)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: titoli on August 21, 2007, 02:46:40 AM
Nino Rota.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: mal247 on August 21, 2007, 04:13:31 AM
John Barry
Puccini
Tchaikovsky
John Williams


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: moviesceleton on August 21, 2007, 07:54:49 AM
Zbigniew Preisner's work with Kieslowski is impressive, but he's not nearly as good as Morricone.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 21, 2007, 05:10:58 PM
Max Steiner

King Kong
Gong with the Wind
Casablanca
The Treasure of Sierra Madre
Cimarron
Seargent York
The Searchers
The Gay Divorcee
Angels with Dirty Faces
A Star is Born


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on August 21, 2007, 05:18:48 PM
Maurice Jarre. While I like Morricone's body of work better, I dare say that his score for "Doctor Zhivago" is the greatest film score ever.

Also, John Barry and Jerry Goldsmith when they're good (both had their share of weak scores). Kevin when mentioning Barry and Goldsmith you cannot (must not) forget "Zulu" or "The Wind and the Lion", arguably the two best scores by either gentleman. Both scores are sweeping, powerful, and draw you into the respective films, particularly the former. I also like Goldsmith's brilliant score for "Patton", which I've been humming to myself since I was eight. O0

I do like John Williams (I know some people here, i.e. Dave, hate him) most of the time, although I find some of his scores overbearing and obnoxious. His work for "Star Wars", "Jaws", "Jurassic Park", "Saving Private Ryan", and "Munich" is nothing short of brilliant however.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: PowerRR on August 21, 2007, 05:55:28 PM
Nobody ...not one single person. ;)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 21, 2007, 05:59:43 PM
Maurice Jarre. While I like Morricone's body of work better, I dare say that his score for "Doctor Zhivago" is the greatest film score ever.

Also, John Barry and Jerry Goldsmith when they're good (both had their share of weak scores). Kevin when mentioning Barry and Goldsmith you cannot (must not) forget "Zulu" or "The Wind and the Lion", arguably the two best scores by either gentleman. Both scores are sweeping, powerful, and draw you into the respective films, particularly the former. I also like Goldsmith's brilliant score for "Patton", which I've been humming to myself since I was eight. O0

I do like John Williams (I know some people here, i.e. Dave, hate him) most of the time, although I find some of his scores overbearing and obnoxious. His work for "Star Wars", "Jaws", "Jurassic Park", "Saving Private Ryan", and "Munich" is nothing short of brilliant however.

I will make that correction right away Groggy, and I do agree with you on John Wlliams, some of his scores are a bit too much for me, but I say his score for Schindler's List was his best.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 21, 2007, 08:34:56 PM
John Williams

Schindler's List
Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Munich
A.I. Artifictial Intelegence
Catch Me if you Can
Jaws
E.T.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Superman: The Movie
Born on the 4th of July
Saving Private Ryan
Amistad
Angela's Ashes
Jurassic Park


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: The Firecracker on August 21, 2007, 08:46:23 PM
Bruno Nicolai

Just as good (in some instances better) as Morricone.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 21, 2007, 08:56:29 PM
Bruno Nicolai

Just as good (in some instances better) as Morricone.
What's he done?


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Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: The Firecracker on August 21, 2007, 09:03:58 PM
What's he done?


I like most of his spaghetti western scores

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006214/


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 22, 2007, 10:07:51 AM
Danny Elfman is a supurb talent as you can hear in these films...

Batman
Edward Scissorhands
Batman Returns
Big Fish


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 22, 2007, 11:32:26 AM
;D He did The theme song for The Simpsons.


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What's so funny about Elfman MS?! His brilliance is shown in the Edward Scissorhands Soundtrack all in itself.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 22, 2007, 11:50:43 AM
What's so funny about Elfman MS?! His brilliance is shown in the Edward Scissorhands Soundtrack all in itself.
I'm not making fun of him, if anything I'm complimenting his track for The Simpsons.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: mal247 on August 22, 2007, 12:30:04 PM
As most users of this board will know, quantity is no guarantee of quality.  However Morricone must be given some credit for the variety and volume of work he has created (over 480 films).  There is probably one good book and tune in all of us but to create such items on a regular basis calls for a real talent.



Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 22, 2007, 12:48:16 PM
As most users of this board will know, quantity is no guarantee of quality.  However Morricone must be given some credit for the variety and volume of work he has created (over 480 films).  There is probably one good book and tune in all of us but to create such items on a regular basis calls for a real talent.


Agreed



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Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 22, 2007, 12:59:24 PM
Danny Elfman is a supurb talent as you can hear in these films...

Batman
Edward Scissorhands
Batman Returns
Big Fish

I liked Edward Scissor hands the best.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: cigar joe on August 22, 2007, 08:29:51 PM
I like Angelo Badalamenti, the working relationship between him and David Lynch is similar to Leone & Morricone


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 22, 2007, 08:57:51 PM
I like Angelo Badalamenti, the working relationship between him and David Lynch is similar to Leone & Morricone
Only thing I heard from him was Twin Peaks. That's Lynch. It's pretty good, but it sounds kind a melodramatic.


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Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Tuco the ugly on August 23, 2007, 09:28:09 AM
I have to go for John Williams.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 01:17:18 PM
Bernard Hermann


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 23, 2007, 01:45:55 PM
Here's my Hermann list I posted earlier.

Bernard Hermann
Taxi Driver
Citizen Kane
The Man Who Knew Too Much
Vertigo
North by Northwest
Psycho

Anything you like to add?


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 01:48:41 PM
Nothing comes to mind.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 23, 2007, 02:23:56 PM
Bernard Hermann

No way.


He's good, but he's no where near as good as Morricone


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 23, 2007, 02:25:27 PM
No way.


He's good, but he's no where near as good as Morricone

How about almost as good as Ennio Morricone?


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 23, 2007, 02:28:22 PM
How about almost as good as Ennio Morricone?

No, IMO.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 23, 2007, 02:29:39 PM
Okay, the composers we name don't have to be great 24/7, they just have to have made something as good as one of his great scores.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 23, 2007, 10:01:32 PM

I'd like to point out that James Horner has composed some Brilliant Scores as well and deserves to be talked about among all the Composers listed....

Field Of Dreams
Glory
Legends of the Fall
Braveheart
Titanic
Aliens
The Land Before Time
The Man Without a Face
Cocoon
The New World
Courage Under Fire
48 hrs.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Silenzio on August 24, 2007, 09:05:44 AM
No way.


He's good, but he's no where near as good as Morricone

Nobody's as good as Morricone.  Because Morricone is the greatest.

But Hermann is damn great, and the Hermann-Hitchcock collaboration is just about as important as the Leone-Morricone collaboration.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on August 24, 2007, 11:32:16 AM
I'd like to point out that James Horner has composed some Brilliant Scores as well and deserves to be talked about among all the Composers listed....

Field Of Dreams
Glory
Legends of the Fall
Braveheart
Titanic
Aliens
The Land Before Time
The Man Without a Face
Cocoon
The New World
Courage Under Fire
48 hrs.

I'm not a huge fan of Horner's, but his score for "Glory" is absolutely brilliant. The attack on Ft. Wagner is some of the most emotionally wrenching music ever written, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 24, 2007, 12:44:12 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Horner's, but his score for "Glory" is absolutely brilliant. The attack on Ft. Wagner is some of the most emotionally wrenching music ever written, in my opinion.

If you say that about Glory then I'm surprised you don't love Field of Dreams, Legends of the Fall, and Braveheart's soundtracks. The dwarf Glory's in terms of emotion in my humble opinion. Those soundtracks are some of the best ever.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 24, 2007, 12:49:15 PM
I'd like to point out that James Horner has composed some Brilliant Scores as well and deserves to be talked about among all the Composers listed....

Field Of Dreams
Glory
Legends of the Fall
Braveheart
Titanic
Aliens
The Land Before Time
The Man Without a Face
Cocoon
The New World
Courage Under Fire
48 hrs.

Yeah Horner writes a lot of great unique scores. He does recycle some of his music though. But Braveheart, Titanic, Glory, and Legends of the Fall are among his best.

What do you guys think of Hans Zimmer?


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 24, 2007, 04:42:37 PM
Yeah Horner writes a lot of great unique scores. He does recycle some of his music though. But Braveheart, Titanic, Glory, and Legends of the Fall are among his best.

What do you guys think of Hans Zimmer?

I'm a fan of Hans Zimmer myself. He's made some memorable score's as well. I'm very fond of his work in...


Gladiator
The Thin Red Line
Days of Thunder
Batman Begins
Pirates of The Caribbean: At World's End
Pearl Harbor
Radio Flyer
A League of Their Own
True Romance
The Lion King





Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 24, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
I didn't like Horner's score for Troy, but Aliens has a great score.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 24, 2007, 05:41:05 PM
I'm a fan of Hans Zimmer myself. He's made some memorable score's as well. I'm very fond of his work in...


Gladiator
The Thin Red Line
Days of Thunder
Batman Begins
Pirates of The Caribbean: At World's End
Pearl Harbor
Radio Flyer
A League of Their Own
True Romance
The Lion King





Yeah the score for Pearl Harbor was the only good thing about that movie, I thought Gladiator's score was better than that Crouching Tiger film, his dark knight score fior Batman Begins was clever, he didn't play the theme until the end of the credits, and James Newton Howard did the Bruce Wayne score.

I heard in At World's End he played tribute to Man with a Harmonica, I downloaded that track, and it was somewhat similar, but IMO not as brilliant as Morricone  O0


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 24, 2007, 06:14:29 PM
Zimmer is good. I liked his score for The da Vinci Code (the film, I hated). I thought the score for POTC 1 was better then the one for POTC 3.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 24, 2007, 06:42:20 PM
I like Henry Mancini

The Pink Panther
Breakfast at Tiffany's


That's all I can think of right now, but he is talented.


I also love the scores for The Last Emperor and The Last of the Mohicans each done by two or more composers

The Forbiddon City music for The Last Emperor was done by of all people David Byrne of Talking Heads, but his core was beautiful. The other half of the soundtrack is done by Japanese composer Ryuichi Sakamoto, who delt with the main character's emotions. And there's one piece of music done by an Chinese composer Cong Su, who's music was the most traditional of all.

The music for The Last of the Mohicans was done by Randy Eldelmen and Trevor Jones, they composed a very powerful score. My favorite is The Kiss.



Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on August 25, 2007, 07:19:38 AM
I'm a pretty big Zimmer fan, although I'll concede he's not the most versatile of composers. I think his instrumental work on "The Lion King" is his best work, beautiful, sweeping and moving, and complements the song score very well. He's a very good composer for action movies, and his scores for the POTC films are among the best of their kind. He's a big Morricone fan in case you guys weren't aware of that fact. O0


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on August 25, 2007, 11:19:14 AM
If you say that about Glory then I'm surprised you don't love Field of Dreams, Legends of the Fall, and Braveheart's soundtracks. The dwarf Glory's in terms of emotion in my humble opinion. Those soundtracks are some of the best ever.

First of all, I never said I didn't, just that I'm not a big fan of his. In any case, I've never seen the former two films.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 25, 2007, 08:32:42 PM
First of all, I never said I didn't, just that I'm not a big fan of his. In any case, I've never seen the former two films.

hahaha, geez Groggy, relax my friend. You're going to blow up!  ;)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 26, 2007, 02:55:10 PM
I'm a pretty big Zimmer fan, although I'll concede he's not the most versatile of composers. I think his instrumental work on "The Lion King" is his best work, beautiful, sweeping and moving, and complements the song score very well. He's a very good composer for action movies, and his scores for the POTC films are among the best of their kind. He's a big Morricone fan in case you guys weren't aware of that fact. O0

Yeah I downloaded the track you were talking about. I think his work for Batman is better than Danny Elfman. *ducks from stones being cast*


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 26, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
What does everybody think is William's best score? Just a smalll question.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on August 26, 2007, 03:54:24 PM
What does everybody think is William's best score? Just a smalll question.

I really like "Munich", for the moment that would probably be the best. I like some of the themes from "Star Wars", particularly the Imperial March, and the "Jurassic Park" Main Theme.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 26, 2007, 03:59:16 PM
What does everybody think is William's best score? Just a smalll question.

Schindler's List is my all time favorite Williams score. Munich is great too. I've listened to the End Credits many times.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on August 26, 2007, 04:00:23 PM
hahaha, geez Groggy, relax my friend. You're going to blow up!  ;)

Really? Even in my ranting posts I'm completely laid back. It's very easy to come across as pissed off about stuff via the Internet.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on October 05, 2007, 04:54:22 PM
Hans Zimmer, in an interview, discussing Ennio Morricone. Interesting comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy4WcQRKR18


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Mw/NNrules on October 05, 2007, 05:13:51 PM
Really? Even in my ranting posts I'm completely laid back. It's very easy to come across as pissed off about stuff via the Internet.
Very true.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: tucumcari bound on October 08, 2007, 10:18:15 AM
Hans Zimmer, in an interview, discussing Ennio Morricone. Interesting comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy4WcQRKR18

Thanks for this Wrath!


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: J B on October 08, 2007, 11:27:08 AM
I would say there isn't any other film composer as good as Ennio.  He's my favorite far and away.

My two distant second favorite film composers are Nino Rota and Bernard Hermann.  My favorite Rota score is La Strada, and my favorite Hermann score is probably Vertigo.

As far as John Williams goes, my favorite single piece of music that I've heard by him is Marion's theme from Raiders of the Lost Ark.  I think it's really beautiful.  My favorite score overall by him is Jaws.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Jill on October 29, 2007, 12:33:51 PM
If dead men can also play, I think that bearded italian... hmmm, what's his name?  >:D Oh, Verdi! Yes, that fellow is in tie with the Master.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 29, 2007, 10:15:49 PM
Love the icon Jill! O0


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Cusser on November 04, 2007, 09:34:32 PM
I'll say "ALMOST" for these two not mentioned so far (and I also like Williams, Barry, Bernstein, Elfman).....

Erich Wolfgang Korngold:
Captain Blood (1935)
The Prince And The Pauper (1937)
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
Juarez (1939)
The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (1939)
The Sea Hawk (1940)
The Sea Wolf (1941)
King's Row (1942)
The Constant Nymph (1943)
Between Two Worlds (1944)
Devotion (1946)
Of Human Bondage (1946)
Deception (1946)
Escape Me Never (1947)
The Magic Fire (1956) (after Wagner)
A Midsummer Night's Dream (1935) (after Mendelssohn)
Give Us This Night (1936)
Hearts Divided (1936)
The Green Pastures (1936)
Anthony Adverse (1936)
Another Dawn (1937)
The Constant Nymph (1943)
Between Two Worlds (1944)
Devotion (1946)
Of Human Bondage (1946)
Deception (1946)
Escape Me Never (1947)
The Magic Fire (1956) (after Wagner)
 

Franz Waxman:
Taras Bulba (Academy Award nomination)
Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
Fury (1936)
Captains Courageous (1937)
A Christmas Carol (1938)
The Young in Heart (1938) (2 Academy Award nominations)
Rebecca (1940) (Academy Award nomination)
The Philadelphia Story (1940)
Suspicion (1941) (Academy Award nomination)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1941) (Academy Award nomination)
Objective, Burma! (1945) (Academy Award nomination)
Humoresque (1946) (Academy Award nomination)
Dark City (1950)
The Furies (1950)
Sunset Boulevard (1950) (Academy Award)
He Ran All the Way (1951)
A Place in the Sun (1951) (Academy Award)
Rear Window (1954)
The Silver Chalice (1954) (Academy Award nomination)
Mister Roberts (1955)
Peyton Place (1957)
The Nun's Story (1959) (Academy Award nomination)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on November 13, 2007, 09:05:38 AM
Let's sidetrack this discussion just a bit. Since someone asked favorite John Williams scores, what is your favorite of Maurice Jarre's? I think you can guess my answer. :D


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Ben Tyreen on November 13, 2007, 11:44:04 AM
Quote
Let's sidetrack this discussion just a bit. Since someone asked favorite John Williams scores, what is your favorite of Maurice Jarre's? I think you can guess my answer.

  I didn't realize how many scores Jarre has done until I checked his IMDB listing, 166 musical scores! :o  And while there's a ton I enjoy, LoA, The Longest Day, The Train, a handful of good westerns, my favorite is probably for The Professionals.  I hear that main theme and it just gets me going.  Really sets the mood for the rest of the movie. :)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on November 13, 2007, 09:23:58 PM
The Professionals is a great score which tends to get overlooked. Good call Ben. O0


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: moviesceleton on March 18, 2008, 01:02:14 PM
I don't know if this is the 100% correct thread for this but I don't feel like creating another one...

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3564154.ece

I don't know if the lack of catchy melodies is always a negative thing; Morricone has done many great scores that are more rhythm than melody based. But I agree on this: "these days scores were more likely to be written by keyboard players with computer skills learned at film schools rather than composers trained at music college" and it is audible. But I'd still choose an experimenting rhythm and sound based score that suits the movie well but doesn't necessarily work on it's own over the usual Hans Zimmer spectacle that can be added to any scene ever and it gives you the same "great emotions". BTW, that's not a statement against the man exclusively; he has his moments.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on September 18, 2008, 11:15:45 PM
Well, Zimmer is a pretty good composer when given the opportunity. Most of the "generic action scores" he does are for, well, generic action movies. Also, needless to say a lot of his score gets thrown out in such movies. Most directors today know nothing about how to use music and sound in their films.

Here is a great piece of music he wrote for the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, the Lord Cutler Beckett suite. Only bits and pieces of it were actually used in the movies, but I think this piece shows Zimmer has a good amount of talent. I'd definitely argue it stands very well on its own merits as a fine piece of music, and not just background noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOixdf8A00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOixdf8A00)

Of course, there's always Alex North's Main Title for Spartacus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb-CUPjGYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb-CUPjGYU)

And Jarre's Main Title for Doctor Zhivago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDkvSKvzUBI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDkvSKvzUBI)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: T.H. on September 30, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
Morricone is easily the greatest film composer, it's not even close imo.

Below him, I would put Rota and Herrmann.

I hate hate hate hate corporate composers like John Williams, Hanz Zimmer, James Newton Howard, etc. etc. They're absolutely terrible. Their music is so lifeless, completely void of any emotion. It makes me want to vomit.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Jill on October 04, 2008, 03:25:36 AM
Also not worthy to the Maestro (although popular and quite good): Howard Shore. LotR has some wonderful pieces, but the music, in general, is just pathetic and sugar-high. I like the dark pieces, however, like the Moria ones and the Isengard, Minas Morgul, Mount Doom tracks. And the Rohirrim musics.

Still, not as great as Ennio. I'd say Nino Rota is tie with him, but he's dead...


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: moviesceleton on October 04, 2008, 10:06:16 AM
Also not worthy to the Maestro (although popular and quite good): Howard Shore. LotR has some wonderful pieces, but the music, in general, is just pathetic and sugar-high. I like the dark pieces, however, like the Moria ones and the Isengard, Minas Morgul, Mount Doom tracks. And the Rohirrim musics.

Still, not as great as Ennio. I'd say Nino Rota is tie with him, but he's dead...
I think he's maybe the best composer in Hollywood right now. Yes, there are some schmaltzy tunes in LOTR but overall the soundtrack is amazing. He's done also other noteworthy soundtracks: The Silence of the Lambs, Ed Wood, recent Scorsese movies... I don't think he's as much in a certain box as Williams abd Zimmer are.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Jill on October 05, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
Williams can be good, but he's overused. I like the Star Wars and the HP musics, however.


Sometimes, silence can be as dramatic as music. I've seen Dreyer's wonderful Jeanne d'Arc without any music, so it was totally silent - and it was harrowing. O0

Just think about how Ennio uses the silence. He's a master in that, too, not only in music.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on February 08, 2009, 01:30:40 PM
I got Jerry Goldsmith's score for The Wind and the Lion for Christmas - a two-disc special edition, at that. I've always liked the music in the movie, and have had the Main Title on MP3 for awhile, but hearing the entire soundtrack is another experience entirely. It's a wonderful score, perhaps even the best thing about the movie, sweeping, romantic, exotic and extremely beautiful, balancing various emotions wonderfully and instilling a feeling of poignance and adventure (and more than a bit of nostalgia for me). The Roosevelt theme is probably my favorite piece of music, wonderfully subtle, quiet and poignant (and a nice counterpart to the blaring horns/trumpets in most of the score), although the Love Theme and the action music (Raisuli Attacks) are up there too. This edition includes a lot of incidental/archival music that's also worth a listen (particularly the nice renditions of Old Paint and Semper Fidelis). Probably the best Goldsmith score I've heard to date, and it's definitely in Morricone's league.

Still haven't watched the Maurice Jarre Tribute to David Lean DVD, but I'm waiting perhaps until I can get some speakers - my computer gives off like zero sound.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: franksgrandson on March 19, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Keep an ear open for Racheal Portman
she has done some excellent scores


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: riotengine on October 01, 2009, 11:34:10 PM
I'm a hardcore soundtrack nut. Goldsmith is my absolute favorite (and I have a soft spot for his western scores). My top five favorite composers are Goldsmith, Morricone, Basil Poledouris, Lalo Schifrin, and Joe Hisaishi.

Favorite spaghetti western composers are Francesco De Masi and Stelvio Cipriani (just ordered a copy of Blindman, which can't get here fast enough).

I'm looking forward to the (rumored) upcoming Film Score Monthly CD of Morricone's, The Five Man Army.

Greg


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on October 02, 2009, 10:37:06 AM
I like Schiffrin's scores, he's definitely a unique composer. Conan is the only Poledouris score I liked so far.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: SilenceSWDB on October 02, 2009, 04:20:55 PM
Both Luis Bacalov and Goblin made some BEAUTYFUL scores.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: riotengine on October 04, 2009, 01:44:03 AM
I like Schiffrin's scores, he's definitely a unique composer. Conan is the only Poledouris score I liked so far.

I really like Schifrin's funky, jazzy 60s & 70s scores, like Bullitt, Enter The Dragon, & Dirty Harry.

Poledouris did nice scores for Farewell To The King, Cherry 2000, and Flesh + Blood. His Conan The Destroyer score is nice, but really dislike the movie.  :)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: archangel on January 22, 2010, 07:19:33 PM
all equally great.
Morricone, Herrmann, Rosza.
jr.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on October 19, 2010, 12:07:20 PM
Hans Zimmer, in an interview, discussing Ennio Morricone. Interesting comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy4WcQRKR18

Thanks for this.

There's a definite Morricone influence on Zimmer's work, especially in The Lion King. There's one track in particular (I forget the name) which sounds almost exactly like On Earth as it is In Heaven from The Mission. Also King of Pride Rock has an oboe section very similar to the Frank theme from OUATITW. Whether this is cool or means he is a hack, I leave up to you. :D


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Dust Devil on October 19, 2010, 02:30:17 PM
Thanks for this.

 ;D


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Groggy on October 19, 2010, 06:13:07 PM
I had a brain fart on this topic and needed an excuse to let it out.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: El Gorila on May 01, 2011, 09:10:40 AM
I like a lot of John Barry's scores, while they lack the epic scope of Ennio's pieces, Barry is still a master of setting a mood and a feel for his films.
John Williams is also great, tho I prefer his earlier works.
Morricone is the best though, I can't listen to Ecstasy of Gold without being compelled to run in circles in a cemetery. ;)


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: franksgrandson on June 12, 2011, 05:30:34 PM
for me
Badelt, Zimmer and a off the wall one Portman


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: noodles_leone on July 22, 2011, 05:12:32 AM
While I don't think Trent Reznor usually comes close to all the geniuses mentioned here, I have to admit this particular sequence and it's score made me feel something I had not felt for years in a movie theater:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhY_v4m3mA&feature=related

... which is a good excuse to put the link for the vocal version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoOJ6Gnzej4


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Senza on February 23, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
Others who I like are Bill Conti, John Williams, and Hans Zimmer.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2013, 01:28:47 PM
Morricone is my favorite by far. Some ither film scores i like are A RIVER RUNS THROUGH IT by Mark Isham, THE BIG COUNTRY by Jerome Moross, RED RIVER and RIO BRAVO by Dmitri Tiomkin.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
STAGECOACH also has a great score, and i love military music, so i really like the scored for Ford's CAVALRY TRILOGY and THE HORSE SOLDIERS. Also LEGENDS OF THE FALL by James Horner and PEYTON PLACE


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: marmota-b on August 30, 2013, 06:55:09 AM
Sometimes, silence can be as dramatic as music. I've seen Dreyer's wonderful Jeanne d'Arc without any music, so it was totally silent - and it was harrowing. O0

Just think about how Ennio uses the silence. He's a master in that, too, not only in music.

Not enough silence is my biggest gripe with contemporary soundtracks. Nobody lets the tension speak for itself these days; the way Morricone's music speaks in Leone's films has much to do with the amount of silence that precedes it in those films.


On a completely different note - I would not compare, it's incomparable, but Mark Knopfler's done some excellent soundtracks. It's rather a pity that he has not done more...


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Alias on August 01, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
I'd say other composers have, on occasion, come close to that magical Morricone/Leone effect - Bernard Herrmann with Welles and Hitchcock, Vangelis with Blade Runner, Walter Schumann with Night of the Hunter and Anton Karas with The Third Man, to name just a few. But maybe the only comparable outpouring of astonishing musical invention is John Barry's succession of scores for the early 007 films. It's a delight to play a montage of 'gunbarrel' sequences and register each subtle variation on the Bond theme, from Dr No through to Diamonds Are Forever...


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Novecento on August 01, 2016, 07:46:15 PM
... Anton Karas with The Third Man...

There's a great story behind that one. Some chance encounter Reed had with a man playing a zither...


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Alias on August 02, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
Yep. The zither was half the film.

Plus Harry Lime's first appearance is an intro worthy of Leone.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Novecento on August 02, 2016, 10:38:37 AM
Plus Harry Lime's first appearance is an intro worthy of Leone.

It's such a good movie. One of my all time favorites. I was luck enough to get the Criterion BD before it went completely OOP. It seems that last year Studio Canal released a really good region-free transfer in Europe though.


Title: Re: Who do you think is as good a composer as Morricone?
Post by: Rojo Ramone on September 07, 2016, 06:44:02 PM
Nino Rota
Popol Vuh
Stelvio Cipriani

ALL just as essential to their films as the Maestro.