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Title: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2004, 11:12:22 AM
A friend of mine last night spoke of a spaghetti last night with Charles Bronson and a Japanese Samurai, featuring the old theme of revenge,he couldnt remember the name of it,
any ideas?


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Robert Muller on January 08, 2004, 12:53:03 PM
Angel Eyes, I believe it must be " Red Sun" in which a samurai, played by Toshiro Mifune, finds himself lost in the Wild West with a very talkative Charles Bronson.

Forgive both of them, they were accompanied by Ursula Andress!


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: The Smoker on January 08, 2004, 01:18:49 PM
Its actually quite good. little gem
The paring of Bronson and Toshiro is a bit creeky in places but its enjoyable stuff. They play off each other quite well.
It also starred Alain Delon as well. The Stories core  is about a samurai sword which is stolen on route through the west.
Directed by the original British Bond Movie maker Terance Young.
The only really decent British Euro Western made..
Sean Connery/Bridget Bardou/Woody Strode. Shalako the only other exception

Mifune's english isnt great, he hadnt been learning too long, and pleaded with the makers not too be dubbed in post production. but the genius of his acting was always more what he did with his facal expressions and body language.

But Yeah, its also one of Bronsons most animated performances, if you put it up againist granite statuesque Harmonica in OUATITW.
Hes almost a different being in that film..


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: COLONNA on January 09, 2004, 04:41:32 AM
And Delon  making a pale imitation of Fonda.

I.M.O it was not  a masterpiece  :(

btw: Brigitte Bardot .


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 09, 2004, 01:17:21 PM
cheers pardners
knew you wouldnt let me down
Red Sun it is then.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: The Smoker on January 10, 2004, 04:01:35 AM

btw: Brigitte Bardot .

Sorry my spelling is terrible..
should of sticked to BB like Gainsbourg.  ;)


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Cusser on January 10, 2004, 09:30:41 AM
I especially liked the "mosquito" scene in Red Sun.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2004, 05:00:45 AM
Rented this VHS along with Mag7, It has Bronson and Mifumi a gunman & samurai teaming up to recover a stolen samurai sword and Bronson's part of a double cross booty. Bronson is great and so is Mifumi. A real SW/Samurai genre blender. My only complaint was the Pan & Scan.

Looks like it was shot in Almeria and I even think I saw Cattle Corner Station minus the expansive deck of railroad ties. Had the windmill and the water tank, and sounded as if someone had oiled it finally, lol.  Also showed the cane field used in The Big Gundown, and recognized the dry creek beds ond other familiar landscapes. Lot of great shots and for bonus had Ursula Andress as a whore showing a bit of skin and Capuchin as a whorehouse madam.

Capuchin played Clouseau's wife in the first movie I ever saw Claudia Cardinale the 'Pink Panther, she also was in North To Alaska with John Wayne, she was an underused beauty from the 60's.

I'll definitely get this movie if its ever released widescreen on DVD.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Panache on May 22, 2008, 11:17:31 AM
got to thinking bout this flick, havnt seen it since VHS

was wondering ifv thers a restore DVD vers. or even lousy DVd reprint around of it? be graet to ad to my collection


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 22, 2008, 12:39:56 PM
got to thinking bout this flick, havnt seen it since VHS

was wondering ifv thers a restore DVD vers. or even lousy DVd reprint around of it? be graet to ad to my collection


You have two selections...

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/ntsc-region-release-p-12419.html

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/red-sun-p-2329.html


I have no idea what the transfers to these look like but one is apparently widescreen.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Jill on May 22, 2008, 02:25:49 PM
Well, very strange. Bronson is almost not himself :D He TALKS!

And Mifune isn't himself - he isn't hyperactive and crazy.  ;D

Delon was not the guy for westerns. He was a beautiful angelic gangster, doomed to die in all his movies.  O0 :'(


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Panache on May 23, 2008, 10:26:18 AM

You have two selections...

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/ntsc-region-release-p-12419.html

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/red-sun-p-2329.html


I have no idea what the transfers to these look like but one is apparently widescreen.


cool site thanx, man that was fast O0

saw some othe r stuff there that intrests me, and i got a Pal player so i can get the foreign vers.


Well, very strange. Bronson is almost not himself :D He TALKS!



yea, i heard he could act, too - so he wa snt jus anothr pretty face ;D


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 28, 2008, 09:45:41 PM

cool site thanx, man that was fast O0

saw some othe r stuff there that intrests me, and i got a Pal player so i can get the foreign vers.


I've bought from them for years and have never had a problem.
I highly recommend the site.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Panache on July 19, 2008, 06:05:01 PM
i finly got round to ordering it, slipt my mind, cant wait ta see it again O0


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Banjo on July 20, 2008, 02:52:40 AM
I picked up a cheap 3 dvd (pan & scan) from HMV recently.Its entertaining alright with the two leads playing well off each other but nothing special really that would make me watch this again in a hurry. :-\

My rating 7 out of 10. 


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: marmota-b on January 27, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
I bought this recently on one of those cheap Czech DVD's, and it was definitely worth the price - I'm not sure what the price was, but about 40-50 CZK. :D And it's in widescreen, so there isn't much more I could ask for. If someone wanted this badly, maybe I could try to get one for you if there are still some copies left in the shops... If you do want it, tell me quickly!
I didn't mind Mifune's English. I had the subtitles and it actually fitted his character.
(Do you also think Shanghai Noon was a partial knock off of this?)

EDIT: Or it's not widescreen? Funny, I can't remember... An online source claims it's 4:3. I'll have to watch it again. How come I don't remember?

EDIT 2: It really isn't widescreen. Now I'm left with a mystery of how I came to think it was.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on January 28, 2009, 09:16:42 AM
I bought this recently on one of those cheap Czech DVD's, and it was definitely worth the price - I'm not sure what the price was, but about 40-50 CZK. :D And it's in widescreen, so there isn't much more I could ask for. If someone wanted this badly, maybe I could try to get one for you if there are still some copies left in the shops... If you do want it, tell me quickly!
I didn't mind Mifune's English. I had the subtitles and it actually fitted his character.
(Do you also think Shanghai Noon was a partial knock off of this?)

EDIT: Or it's not widescreen? Funny, I can't remember... An online source claims it's 4:3. I'll have to watch it again. How come I don't remember?

EDIT 2: It really isn't widescreen. Now I'm left with a mystery of how I came to think it was.

I believe there are some versions of Red Sun floating around that have the top and bottom of the picture cropped to simulate widescreen.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: marmota-b on January 28, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
I believe there are some versions of Red Sun floating around that have the top and bottom of the picture cropped to simulate widescreen.

It's not this one. It's a total, absolute pan-and-scan and I can't understand what made think it was not. I'm sure I didn't think that when I was watching it ::), but when remembering it, that piece of info slipped my mind mysteriously.
However, I still think it was worth those 49 CZK (I've checked the price).


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Dust Devil on October 12, 2009, 10:33:31 PM
Finally got a chance to revisit this EW and wasn't disappointed as I thought I'll be. (Needless to point out, I adored this strange mix when I was a kid, like most people, and must have watched it at least 50 times.)

It's reasonably entertaining. Soleil rouge didn't and doesn't offer much of a story or character development, let alone originality. The project was more, I think, about letting the famous actors perform their antics unrestrainedly for the audience. What they did successfully, even the unorthodox Charles Bronson.

I didn't care for Ursula Andress at all.


6.75/10


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on December 23, 2010, 09:59:21 PM
It's reasonably entertaining. Soleil rouge didn't and doesn't offer much of a story or character development, let alone originality. The project was more, I think, about letting the famous actors perform their antics unrestrainedly for the audience. What they did successfully, even the unorthodox Charles Bronson.

I didn't care for Ursula Andress at all.


6.75/10

I think that the roles played by Bronson and Mifune are great. I don't care for Ursula either, though I must admit that she had a great anatomy.   ;)


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 24, 2010, 02:44:34 AM
Well, I don't know... :-\  But then again, I never had the opportunity to see her in something other than those 2 or 3 more known movies...


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 24, 2010, 01:35:35 PM
"Goddamn Mosquitoes!"

i agree with Andress who was always a nothing screen presence but...

http://www.celebritymoviearchive.com/tour/name.php/8


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on December 25, 2010, 06:14:01 PM
I remember her nude in "The Blue Max" too  O0 O0


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: titoli on December 28, 2010, 12:08:59 PM
I remember her nude in "The Blue Max" too  O0 O0

Not showing much I presume in 1966...Do you remember well?? I was completely taken up when I saw her in Perfect Friday: there she showed lots of skin. Sensuous Nurse could be the alternate choice.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on December 28, 2010, 08:50:59 PM
Not showing much I presume in 1966...Do you remember well?? I was completely taken up when I saw her in Perfect Friday: there she showed lots of skin. Sensuous Nurse could be the alternate choice.

Breasts she showed her breasts  :)


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: titoli on December 29, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
Breasts she showed her breasts  :)

Not really:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4RgqTo6Rvk&feature=related


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on December 30, 2010, 07:26:24 PM
ok just a side view briefly  ;)


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 02, 2011, 01:47:00 AM
so I just saw the movie for the first time (on AMC), and I really liked it! Definitely worth a watch for anyone who has not seen it yet.
 Looks like they may have used the El Paso set from FAFDM for the town; can anyone confirm this? And as cj pointed out in an early post on this thread, the train station looks like it may be Cattle Corner.

one nice line Bronson says: "It's my money; I stole it!"

imdb says the film's aspect ratio is 1.85:1. Since it was shown on hdtv's (which are 1.78:1) without any black bars, that generally means we should be basically seeing the full picture. However, it appeared to me that the faces may have been stretched; so my guess, though I am not sure, is that AMC may have taken a 4:3 pan 'n scan version, and just stretched it to 1:78:1. Wouldn't surprise me, considering what a terrible channel AMC is.

I also noticed that Netflix has the dvd; it says the aspect ratio is 1.33:1  >:(



Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: titoli on June 03, 2011, 05:17:20 AM
Even the italian dvd is 4:3. A pity because the landscapes are magnificient. I think I als saw Frank's lair subbing as Gauche's. The whorehouse episode is a bit tiresome, the Comanches suicidal tactics childish, the Jarre's score unimaginative. Still I give it 8\10 for the Bronson-Mifune chase and the good finale (though, I don't understand to whom Bronson shouts "Kill him").


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2011, 05:51:22 AM
Even the italian dvd is 4:3. A pity because the landscapes are magnificient. I think I als saw Frank's lair subbing as Gauche's. The whorehouse episode is a bit tiresome, the Comanches suicidal tactics childish, the Jarre's score unimaginative. Still I give it 8\10 for the Bronson-Mifune chase and the good finale (though, I don't understand to whom Bronson shouts "Kill him").

1. I think Bronson was warning Gauche that the Japanese guy was about to get him. Bronson needed  Gauche alive to get the money.

2. I didn't mind the whorehouse bit; it was done well.

3. Also, didn't the inside of the whorehouse look like the El Paso saloon? I am wondering if in the El Paso set (known today as "Mini Hollywood,)" the interiors were actually built as they were shot in FAFDM, or is it just exteriors? (ie. are the scenes shot in the El Paso saloon, in Manco's and Mortimer's hotel rooms, etc. actually shot inside those buildings in the Mini Hollywood set, or were those interiors shot on sound stages in Cinecietta? In other words, if you visit Mini Hollywood today, will you find the interiors from FAFDM, or just the exteriors?)



Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: titoli on June 03, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
1. I think Bronson was warning Gauche that the Japanese guy was about to get him. Bronson needed  Gauche alive to get the money.

To simply warn Gauche he didn't have to shout "Kill him": that means he wanted Mifune dead. Which doesn't rhyme with the relationship the two developed before and after that event.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 28, 2013, 08:18:52 AM
There's a widescreen Blu-ray of this from Japan available. I bought a copy and the aspect ratio looks right, and I didn't notice any stretching. The film hasn't been restored, though, so the colors are a bit washed out. Still, it looks pretty good.


Title: Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 11, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=17351

Hmmm, I hope this looks better than the J-disc. No note on a restoration or a new scan or anything . . .