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Title: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 17, 2008, 01:59:45 AM
I was just curious as to what everyone thinks is the best line or most creative quote from the movie.    I know there are alot of choices, considering the length of the movie.   I like Blondie's line, "If you cut down on my percentage, it may interfere with my aim".   I also like the drunk Captain's line "Both sides reek with alcohol" (I think that's the exact wording - not sure - feel free to clarify this if you like).  Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Dirty Rat on November 17, 2008, 03:01:20 AM
Hmm, very tough indeed.
I particularly like these:

1. "Who the hell is that? One b*stard goes in and another comes out!"
2. "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk"

There are many more but they are my favourite. As for the most priceless, it would have to be number 2

The Rat


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on November 17, 2008, 05:32:10 AM
Yea I'd go with your number two choice also:

2. "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk"

It not only priceless for this film but it resonates with every film ever made where the bad guy just talks and talks.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: stanton on November 17, 2008, 06:05:57 AM
Another classic:

God hates idiots like you


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 17, 2008, 10:58:50 AM
Very good choices, CJ!  Those are excellent quotes - I love 'em too - lol.   I also like the line "You know what you are?  You're a son of a thousand fathers; all b**rds just like you". 


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Cusser on November 17, 2008, 11:24:44 AM
For me, way too many to list.  Highest up might be:

"when ya gotta shoot: shoot, don't talk"

"were you gonna die alone" just makes me feel good when Blondie joins up with Tuco

"there's two kinds of people..."


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: iceman on November 17, 2008, 02:39:28 PM
A Touching one...

"Take a slug of this captain.....and keep your ears open"


and

"just remember its my neck on the end of the rope"

and

" Hey Blond........You Know what you are..........just a dirty son of a Bahahahahahahahaha ....wah wah wah"



There are hundreds....We could go on forever.....wah wah wah

ICE


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on November 17, 2008, 02:41:00 PM
I'll go with this one:

"Who the hell is that? One bastard goes in and another comes out!"

Also, Tuco's "comforting" the sun-burned and sick Blondie in the hospital: "Good thing you were with me. Think if you'd been on your own!"


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Smokey on November 18, 2008, 02:27:56 PM
"If you save your breath I feel a man like you can manage it."

"Such ingratitude after all the times I've saved your life."


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: iceman on November 18, 2008, 02:35:05 PM
This must be the shortest (sorry for the pun)

"SORRY SHORTY"  ha ha

ICE


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 18, 2008, 07:05:44 PM
I also like the line "There are two kinds of people in this world, my friend:  those that cut the rope and those that take the risks".      This one is always makes me laugh, too:  "....., you can feel the devil bite your a**".


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Tuco the ugly on November 18, 2008, 07:41:18 PM
I have to go with: "When you have to shoot - shoot. Don't talk"


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 18, 2008, 09:32:19 PM
Well, if I were to put this question up as a poll, I think Tuco's quote "When you have to shoot, shoot - don't talk" would take the cake, getting the most votes - lol.    I like that quote also.  There's just so many, it's hard to decide which one is the best.    Here's another one that came to mind that I like:  "It's got to hold the weight of a pig".


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Cole on November 18, 2008, 10:57:31 PM
I love the whole tirade that Tuco spouts as Blondie is turning him in.You've just about named them all.When the Sheriff rolls up the wanted poster,"I can give you a good idea of wear to put it",and he tells Blondie."Your a son of a thousand fathers ,all bastards like you!."That was a pretty low one.And not only does Tuco think that Blondie's mother belongs in a two dollar whore house,but in the end he decides that she is such a whore that it's best not to even speak of her.haha.That whole scene always just amuses the hell out of me.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 19, 2008, 01:29:14 AM
I love the whole tirade that Tuco spouts as Blondie is turning him in.You've just about named them all.When the Sheriff rolls up the wanted poster,"I can give you a good idea of wear to put it",and he tells Blondie."Your a son of a thousand fathers ,all bastards like you!."That was a pretty low one.And not only does Tuco think that Blondie's mother belongs in a two dollar whore house,but in the end he decides that she is such a whore that it's best not to even speak of her.haha.That whole scene always just amuses the hell out of me.

I totally agree with you on that one, Cole!  I LOVE that scene - it's not just the whole speel that Tuco gives to Blondie that is priceless - it's that whole entire scene - lol.  I also like the line he spews out when Blondie has him tied up and straddled on the horse:  "I hope you come down with Rabies, Colora and the plague!".   

The other quotes I like are: "Don't die like that pig!" and (speaking to Bill Carson) "Don't die!  I'll get you water; don't die until later!" - that's a really uncaring statement, but considering Tuco's disposition and personna, he only cares about himself; cares nothing for anyone else (to a certain extent, of course, considering the hint of compassion he shows when he helps Blondie enter the monastery)and does what he has to to get what he wants.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: sergios specs on November 19, 2008, 02:18:14 AM
"i've never seen so many men wasted so badly" and "200,000 dollars is a lot of money we're gonna have to earn it" i love the menace in blondie's voice when he says that


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: titoli on November 19, 2008, 09:36:18 AM
Blondie's very first words. That makes all the difference between SW and any other one.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: iceman on November 22, 2008, 02:28:23 PM

" When that rope starts to pull tight you can feel the devil bite your Ass"......Classic

ICE


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 22, 2008, 04:59:11 PM
" When that rope starts to pull tight you can feel the devil bite your Ass"......Classic

ICE


I agree - great line - lol.  I mentioned that earlier in the thread, but didn't post the whole quote - lol.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 22, 2008, 06:17:20 PM
When Tuco is tied-up and being handed to the sheriff:

Let me go and l'll pardon you and Come back and fight! and Roll it up. Roll it up! l'll give you a good idea where you can put it.  ;D



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Smokey on November 22, 2008, 07:23:15 PM
This one goes through my head whenever I see someone greedly reach for something. LOL

When Tuco is in the train trying to get the sergeant's gun...

"Sure would like to put your paws on it uuh?"



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 22, 2008, 11:33:09 PM
When Tuco is tied-up and being handed to the sheriff:

Let me go and l'll pardon you and Come back and fight! and Roll it up. Roll it up! l'll give you a good idea where you can put it.  ;D



I LOVE that whole scene - cracks me up every time!  That's a genuine "Leone comedy scene in a western" - great scene - one of my faves - lol.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: sergios specs on November 23, 2008, 08:37:46 AM
"i like big fat men like you, when they fall they make more noise and sometimes they never get up."


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on November 23, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
"i like big fat men like you, when they fall they make more noise and sometimes they never get up."

Yeah  - another great line - love that one, too - lol.

I also like the scene where Tuco is being 'fattened up for the kill', so to speak, and AE asks him, "You like music with your meal, Tuco?"  Tuco replies, "Yes - very good - very good for the digestion".  Then after Tuco's been beaten by Wallace, AE says, "How's your digestion now?"


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: silvanski on January 08, 2009, 12:55:45 AM
Tuco: "I get dressed, I kill him and be right back!" O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on January 08, 2009, 05:25:23 AM
"Don't die, don't die Blondie.......until later" O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Ratboy on January 11, 2009, 08:08:40 PM
From the part that always tugs at my heart strings:

"Where we came from, if one did not want to die of poverty, one became a priest or a bandit! You chose your way, I chose mine. Mine was harder." —Tuco


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: ShortFuse on January 12, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
Blondie is the most quoted cinematic character of all time.


"Yeah."

"Mhm."

"Uh..."


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Cusser on January 12, 2009, 07:18:58 PM
Most of you are too young to have experienced GBU first run at the theaters in late 1960s - how the audience roared and howled at those lines, the jokes.  Every one of the jokes, every one, none missed the mark.  Nowadays, even if you are blessed enough to see GBU at a theater (like I did April 2008), most in the audience have seen it many times, so one doesn't get that first-time audience reaction.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on January 24, 2009, 07:42:19 PM
Most of you are too young to have experienced GBU first run at the theaters in late 1960s - how the audience roared and howled at those lines, the jokes.  Every one of the jokes, every one, none missed the mark.  Nowadays, even if you are blessed enough to see GBU at a theater (like I did April 2008), most in the audience have seen it many times, so one doesn't get that first-time audience reaction.

That's very true, Cusser.   Considering how many times it's been shown on tv, not to mention all the copies that have been sold on VHS, DVD, etc. over the years, people have 'gotten used to' the jokes and the funny lines and scenes, so no one today would react the way an audience would if viewing it for the first time.  I, myself, can say that, every time I see it, I can't help but laugh, NO matter HOW many times I see it - STILL funny to me!


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on January 24, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
I also like the scene in the monastery where Tuco is asking Blondie, "Tell me?  Tell me?, then Blondie asks Tuco to "Come closer".  Tuco thinks Blondie is going to tell him where the gold is (but we all know Blondie's much smarter than that; Tuco can't fool him), getting all excited, then gets coffee thrown in his face - VERY funny scene indeed - cracks me up all the time -  ;D O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: johnkinman on January 26, 2009, 10:48:33 AM
After Tuco is telling Blondie about his brother and the bowl of soup and Blondie says after a good meal there nothing like a good cigar................great sense of pathos


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: johnkinman on January 26, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
Well, your going to die alone ?.......................Then the GBU theme.......priceless


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on January 26, 2009, 01:51:20 PM
Well, your going to die alone ?.......................Then the GBU theme.......priceless

That's one of the greatest moments of the film, I agree. O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Calamity Jane on January 26, 2009, 10:04:01 PM
Yes, I agree - that line is a great, memorable one, too -  O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Rubio on January 27, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
The majority of Tuco's lines mostly. here's a few favorites.

"When you gotta shoot, shoot, don't talk."
"I like big fat men like you, when they fall they make more noise and sometimes they never get up."
"Roll it up, roll it up! I'll give you a good idea where you can put it!"

I also like some of the Union captains lines, he was great. "Whoever has the most liquor to get the soldiers drunk and send them to be slaughtered... he's the winner. "

Angel Eyes' line when Tuco is receiving his beating really had me going though. "How's your digestion now?" I'm a big Tuco fan and all but that was priceless.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: newageoutlaw1 on March 02, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
I agree..there are so many priceless lines/quotes from GB&U..but I would have to say my favorite is....

"Where's the owner of that horse? He's tall,blonde,smokes a cigar,and he's a pig!"

PRICELESS!!


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Rudra on April 22, 2010, 05:26:07 PM
"Yeah, but you don`t look like the one who will collect it. Couple of steps back." - Blondie

"You know whose son you are? You don`t , I do, everybody does......" - Tuco

"I am glad they got him. A man guilty of all those crimes." - Lady in the stagecoach

"People with ropes around their necks don`t always hang." - Angel Eyes

"One name is as good as any other. Not wise to use your own name, like you, I bet they don`t call you Angel Eyes...Sergeant Angel eyes." - Tuco


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on April 22, 2010, 11:31:56 PM
Is it wrong to speak the way I do to volunteers? I've done a lot worse.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: sargatanas on May 10, 2010, 01:58:52 PM
angel eyes to his entire gang:  " WATCH OUT ! THERE'S  TWO OF 'EM ! "

put your drawers on and take your gun off


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Mr. Pseudonym on May 14, 2010, 04:11:42 PM
"When you've got to shoot, shoot...don't talk!" --Tuco.  It's been mentioned already by other people, but it's always been a favorite.  Hell, I could write down the whole script before running out of favorite lines.

Speaking of that, do deleted scene lines count?  I like the one where Blondie is 'camping' with Angel Eyes and the men come out of the woodwork, Blondie counts them, and mentions something about that perfect number in relation to the bullets in his gun.   ;D


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Jill on May 18, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
Must re-watch. Not like I haven't seen it numerous times...  ;D But the quotes always leave me wanting more.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: tales on November 01, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Yes there are many quotes, but I like when Angel Eyes asks Tuco if he likes music with his food and Tuco says Music yes, is very good for the digestion.  Tuco does a great job in that scene, just watch his eyes move when he answers Angel Eyes, it's great. I also like when Blondie and Tuco are in the carriage together and Tuco yells Hurray down with General Grant Hurray for the Confederacy Hurray for General ?  And Blondie tells him Lee.  


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Skywalkergray on December 04, 2010, 07:40:54 PM
Tuco: "When you have to shoot.. shoot, don't talk".
Blondie: "You see in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Tuco: "You hear, that? They say even when Judas hung himself it thundered."
Tuco to priests: "Take care of him he's like a brother to me." or  "Father, you don't know how much this boy's life means to me."


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on December 04, 2010, 07:51:49 PM
Think of how you'd be if you'd been on your own.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Dirty Rat on December 06, 2010, 01:43:05 PM
Tuco; "One bastard goes in, another comes out."


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: El Gorila on May 02, 2011, 04:03:52 PM
"-Who ever doublecrosses me and leaves me alive... -He understand nothing about Tuco, nothing."

"-There are two kind of people in this world, my friend. -Those with a rope around their neck and people who have the job of doing the cutting."

 "-You talked you traitor! -You talked!"

"-It doesn't matter, I'll kill them all."



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: beachem on May 13, 2011, 11:00:42 AM
All have been excellent.  Remember these too???

(Tuco to Blondie after he's caught him in the hotel) "Tie that noose tight! It's got to hold the weight of a pig!"

Or just Tuco's full character name...Tuco Benedicto Pacífico Juan María Ramírez (and I thought Rose Dewitt Bukater was tough to remember).

and the whole line about the string of crimes Tuco has been found guilty of prior to hanging...
"Wanted in fifteen counties, standing before us, ah, sitting before us, Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, has been found guilty by the District Circuit Court of the following crimes: murder, assaulting a Justice of the Peace, raping a virgin of the white race, statutory rape of a minor of the black race, derailing a train in order to rob the passengers, ... robbery, highway robbery, robbing an unknown number of post offices, breaking out of a ..., counterfeiting and passing counterfeit money, and the accused... promoting prostitution ...high places of authority... illegal postal pick up... intention of selling black fugitive slaves... the sheriff in Sonora... hired himself out as guide on a wagon train, after receiving his payment in advance, he deserted the wagon train in the hunting grounds of the Sioux Indians... misrepresenting himself as a Mexican general in order to receive a salary and living allowance from the Union Army..." :D




Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: El Gorila on May 13, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
All have been excellent.  Remember these too???

(Tuco to Blondie after he's caught him in the hotel) "Tie that noose tight! It's got to hold the weight of a pig!"

Or just Tuco's full character name...Tuco Benedicto Pacífico Juan María Ramírez (and I thought Rose Dewitt Bukater was tough to remember).

and the whole line about the string of crimes Tuco has been found guilty of prior to hanging...
"Wanted in fifteen counties, standing before us, ah, sitting before us, Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, has been found guilty by the District Circuit Court of the following crimes: murder, assaulting a Justice of the Peace, raping a virgin of the white race, statutory rape of a minor of the black race, derailing a train in order to rob the passengers, ... robbery, highway robbery, robbing an unknown number of post offices, breaking out of a ..., counterfeiting and passing counterfeit money, and the accused... promoting prostitution ...high places of authority... illegal postal pick up... intention of selling black fugitive slaves... the sheriff in Sonora... hired himself out as guide on a wagon train, after receiving his payment in advance, he deserted the wagon train in the hunting grounds of the Sioux Indians... misrepresenting himself as a Mexican general in order to receive a salary and living allowance from the Union Army..." :D



Yeah, Tuco's my hero.
Here's the complete list.
First Hangman: "...wanted in fourteen counties of this state, the condemned is found guilty of crimes of murder, armed robbery of citizens, state banks and post offices; the theft of sacred objects, arson in a state prison, perjury, bigamy, deserting his wife and children, inciting prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, receiving stolen goods, selling stolen goods, passing counterfeit money and contrary to the laws of this state the condemned is guilty of using marked cards and loaded dice. Therefore, according to the powers vested in us, we sentence the accused before us, Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez and any other aliases he might have, to hang by the neck until dead... may god have mercy on his soul... proceed."

Second Hangman: "...wanted in fifteen counties of this state, the condemned standing before us... sitting before us... Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez has been found guilty by the third district circuit court of the following crimes: Murder, assaulting a justice of the peace, raping a virgin of the white race, statuatory rape of a minor of the black race... derailing a train in order to rob the passengers, bank robbery, highway robbery, robbing an unknown number of Post  Offices, breaking out of the state prison, using marked cards and loaded dice, promoting prostitution, blackmail, intention of selling fugitive slaves, and counterfeiting. Crimes against  places of high authority include burning down the courthouse and sheriff's office in Sonora. The accused is also guilty of cattle rustling, horse thievery, supplying Indians with firearms... misrepresenting himself as a Mexican General, unlawfully drawing salarly and living allowances from the Union Army. For all these crimes the accused has made a full and spontaneous confession. Therefore we condemn him to be hung by the neck until dead... may the lord have mercy on his soul... proceed."






Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: johnk on July 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
I like the line when Tuco rushes out to get Angel eyes and his men on his own ....and Blondie says "You wanna die alone "? .......then the music starts.

I also like the scene where one of Angel eyes men is following Blondie .......Blondie swings him around says "Tut Tut "..then shoots him.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2011, 02:24:02 PM

TUCO......"How much"

Shop Owner...$20

Click, Click

TUCO...."how Much"

Shop Owner....$50

Shop Owner...$200 thats all I have


ICE


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: johnk on October 01, 2011, 01:08:59 PM
Well You gonna die alone ??


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Stern on October 03, 2011, 01:40:42 PM

Hello,

A lot of you voted earlier for
"When you have to shoot, shoot! Don´t talk."
of Tuco in the bathroom. Tuco shoots, but with a revolver from under the water, what is surely impossible, so the scene is ironic. I also think this one of the best, but not simply a good joke. In the next film, ”Once upon a time in the West”, there is another scene with Jill in the bathroom, also with “shooting” but in no way ironic. I guess it is one of the scenes, where Leone already “foresees” his next film.

Andeas Stern
Andreas5Stern@aol.com
http://sternstunde.npage.de



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on October 05, 2011, 08:31:36 AM
Hello,

A lot of you voted earlier for
"When you have to shoot, shoot! Don´t talk."
of Tuco in the bathroom. Tuco shoots, but with a revolver from under the water, what is surely impossible . . . .
If I recall correctly, the soap bubbles are high enough to hide the gun without the gun having to be underwater. So it is actually possible.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Cusser on October 05, 2011, 12:10:17 PM
A lot of you voted earlier for
"When you have to shoot, shoot! Don´t talk."

But earlier when Tuco gets the drop on Blondie, he talks instead of shooting the stool leg.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Stern on October 06, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
If I recall correctly, the soap bubbles are high enough to hide the gun without the gun having to be underwater. So it is actually possible.

Oh Dave this is an absolutely scientific view. I do not stick to “surely impossible”, after your explanation. What I wonted to say is, that the two bathroom scenes in GBU with Tuco and West with Jill are mirrors of each other. And that one here is the ironical side of the mirror and that I believe, that Leone had, at this point of time, the other side of the mirror already in his mind.

Andreas Stern



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on October 07, 2011, 08:52:46 AM
What I wonted to say is, that the two bathroom scenes in GBU with Tuco and West with Jill are mirrors of each other. And that one here is the ironical side of the mirror and that I believe, that Leone had, at this point of time, the other side of the mirror already in his mind.
It's an interesting idea and you may be right. It's important to keep in mind, though, that there is a water theme in West and that Jill is constantly associated with the substance (she talks about baths several times before she gets one, she is seen carrying water at the end, etc.). So Leone would probably have put the bath scene in West even if there were no such corresponding scene in GBU. On the other hand, to follow your "mirror" comment, it may be important to note the number of times the desert--and, if you will, "waterlessness"--is linked with Tuco.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Novecento on October 09, 2011, 04:26:33 PM
I'm assuming Mickey Knox must take much of the credit for these lines in English?

By the way, has anyone ever read this book of his:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Bad-Dolce-Vita-Adventures/dp/1560255757/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318199153&sr=8-1


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on October 09, 2011, 05:58:25 PM
I'm assuming Mickey Knox must take much of the credit for these lines in English?

By the way, has anyone ever read this book of his:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Bad-Dolce-Vita-Adventures/dp/1560255757/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318199153&sr=8-1
Nope. Thanks for the link, though. I just ordered a copy.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Novecento on October 09, 2011, 06:08:55 PM
Nope.

So he pretty much just directly translated the Italian then?

Thanks for the link, though. I just ordered a copy.

Let me know how if it's worth me getting one too.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on October 09, 2011, 07:23:49 PM
I read it & own it its very good.  O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Stern on October 10, 2011, 01:55:52 PM
It's an interesting idea and you may be right. It's important to keep in mind, though, that there is a water theme in West and that Jill is constantly associated with the substance (she talks about baths several times before she gets one, she is seen carrying water at the end, etc.). So Leone would probably have put the bath scene in West even if there were no such corresponding scene in GBU. On the other hand, to follow your "mirror" comment, it may be important to note the number of times the desert--and, if you will, "waterlessness"--is linked with Tuco.



Hallo Dave,

Although this becomes a private discussion I have to answer you, because in my feeling, you absolutely hit into the black. Water is absolutely one of the (secret) themes in West. Not only with Jill, I do not want to continue your list, but with Timmy (Go inside, quick, and get washed), Morton (before my eyes rot, I want to see the blue of the Pacific), and his death, the washing house of Wobbles, the fight of Harmonica for Sweetwater and his defence of Jill (Give me some water. From the well) at the well. West is his opus magnum, he prepared through many years and many films. As he made the (ironic) bath scene in GBU, he already had the (important) bath scene of West in mind. Look at the end of the scene with the revolver merchant that is the (ironic) version of the (important) scene of the death of Frank with the harmonica in his mouth. So you opened a secret door in West. Another secret door is the fact, that Timmy is the face of Leone as his childhood ends and he meets the crude reality of Frank. I described this in detail in German in http://sternstunde.npage.de/sergio_leone_spiel_mir_das_lied_vom_tod_25730153.html



Andreas Stern




Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on October 10, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
We had a discussion on that very topic Once Upon A Time On This Board: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=480.0

Re-reading it, I see I talked myself around to the belief that Leone established a simple opposition between Salt Water (death) and Sweetwater (life). It's an idea that to me still seems to have merit.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Stern on October 11, 2011, 01:57:15 PM

You are right, I switch to that forum


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Novecento on June 27, 2012, 02:22:38 PM
I'm assuming Mickey Knox must take much of the credit for these lines in English?
Nope. Thanks for the link, though. I just ordered a copy.

Page 219 of Frayling's STDWD will illuminate you.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Novecento on July 14, 2012, 07:58:27 PM
From the SLWB interview with Vincenzoni:

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CK: How was the dialog writing process working in Leone movies? I assume you were writing in Italian, right?

LV: I was writing to Italian, and after the final screenplay is over, it was translated to English.

CK: Were you involved with the translation process of the scripts as well?

LV: Sometimes I was talking with the translator, who was Mickey Knox actually.

CK: Whose idea were those famous one-liners?, like "there are two kinds of spurs" ?

LV: All the dialogue was mine. I wrote them all.

From the SLWB interview with Mickey Knox:

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So, when you started working with Leone, the Italian version of the scripts already had the dialogue, right? Let's take OUTIW for example, since your involvement is much more than GBU throughout the making of it. How exactly process worked in that film?

In that film, it already had all the dialogue in Italian. I had to adapt it to English, meaning that in many cases, especially in a Sergio Leone picture, where there are peculiar phrases, I had to find the equivalent, but not the same, in English. Because if you translate it directly from Italian, it makes no sense.

How about those ever-famous one-liners, like "there're two kinds of spurs..."? Were they your inventions?

In GBU, I tried to follow his intentions all the time. I didn't want to intrude my ideas of what the script should be. Most of them were his ideas. Sometimes, it was the actors' ideas. But, he was pretty good about that. He knew what he wanted and he did have a sense of humour. So, he did those type of one-liners in Italian which had to be translated to English. Some of them couldn't be. That's when I had to invent things that were American. A lot of the Italian quips, wits, and what you call as one-liners, weren't easy to translate, like in any language.

There is one quite famous of those "one-liners" in OUTIW, which goes like 'people like him have always something to do with death'. I am particularly curious about it. Was that line one of your adaptations, or was it already in the original Italian script as it is?

Well, I wrote it obviously, but it was probably the same in the original Italian, but I don't remember exactly. All the English dialogue is mine. I mean, in terms of adapting it from Italian, but I didn't originally write the Italian script. Somebody else did it, like Sergio Donati, but the English version is all mine.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: stanton on July 15, 2012, 03:20:19 AM
And for that the original versions of the films are the Italian versions, not the English ones.

Not sure about OuTA, for which the English version is most likely the reference version, but it applies for the 6 westerns.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 15, 2012, 08:17:07 AM
And for that the original versions of the films are the Italian versions, not the English ones.

Not sure about OuTA, for which the English version is most likely the reference version, but it applies for the 6 westerns.

Stuart Kaminsky describes his work on the English dialogue of OUATIA at 4:40 of this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YDWMn2XpI



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 15, 2012, 03:08:49 PM
From the SLWB interview with Vincenzoni:

From the SLWB interview with Mickey Knox:

That makes it as clear as can be. Vincenzoni, as the author of the screenplay, can "take credit" for the lines in the film. He cannot "take credit"  for Knox's translation of course, which, as far as I can tell, is a good one.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Novecento on July 16, 2012, 06:15:41 PM
So he pretty much just directly translated the Italian then?

At least I now have an answer to my question  :)


It's also very interesting to read Knox's quote in Frayling's STDWD:

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"[Sergio] had a very poor translation from the Italian, and in most cases the American actors changed their dialogue when they were doing it... I knew what they were supposed to be saying because I had the Italian script... But I had to find the right dialogue, not only in terms of moving the story along, but also to fit the lips. It's not an easy thing to do. As a matter of fact it took me 6 weeks to write what they call the 'lip-sync' script"

And for that the original versions of the films are the Italian versions, not the English ones.

Not sure about OuTA, for which the English version is most likely the reference version, but it applies for the 6 westerns.

Yup, that figures.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 16, 2012, 10:51:50 PM
That makes it as clear as can be. Vincenzoni, as the author of the screenplay, can "take credit" for the lines in the film. He cannot "take credit"  for Knox's translation of course, which, as far as I can tell, is a good one.

Vincenzoni wasn't the only one who did the screenplay; Age & Scarpelli were also credited, and Sergio Donati worked as an uncredited script doctor


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 17, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
Vincenzoni wasn't the only one who did the screenplay; Age & Scarpelli were also credited, and Sergio Donati worked as an uncredited script doctor
Age & Scarpelli's material wasn't used (but they still got credited). The actors also had input. I'm not sure which particular lines, but some of the them were supposedly arrived at as they were shooting.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 17, 2012, 07:09:03 PM
Age & Scarpelli's material wasn't used (but they still got credited). The actors also had input. I'm not sure which particular lines, but some of the them were supposedly arrived at as they were shooting.

Yeah, and Eastwood even made some changes in the dubbing studio (eg. he suggested changing Sentenza's name to Angel Eyes; if you look closely at the actor's lips, you see them saying "Sentenza"; also, you can see Eastwood's lips saying the original line "IDIOTS -- it's for us" before changing it in the dubbing studio to "IDIOTS -- it's for you." (Thanks to Frayling's Blu Ray disc commentary for that).

I think I recall reading about how Age/Scarpelli's stuff wasn't used -- probably a statement that Leone made to Frayling -- but I wonder if that's really true; if so, why would they have been given credit for the screenplay?
In OUATIA, Leone hired Normal Mailer to write the script; Mailer did a significant amount of work but (as I recall reading in STDWD), Leone ultimately did not use it, and said that hardly any of Mailer's work made it into the final movie -- and Mailer's name is nowhere to be found among the 6 (!) screenwriting credits. Well that seems similar to what supposedly happened with Age/Scarpelli with GBU.

Sergio Donati and others who worked for Leone seem to really resent the fact that he was stingy about giving credit to those who worked for him; Leone even refused to give credit to Donati for his work on the GBU screenplay (I guess you'd have to call Donati an "uncredited script doctor"?) So why would Age/Scarpelli get the top screenwriting credit if their material really wasn't used? Was Leone being generous to them? Was it in their contract that they had to get a screenwriting credit? Was Leone trying to cash in on their popularity? Or did they indeed contribute to the final product, despite what Leone later said?

Like so many other things, we may never know....

(Maybe someone can ask Vincenzoni?)



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Cusser on July 17, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
Now Tuco says "I'll bet they don't call you Sargent Angel Eyes !!!"  So what do his lips say, and would that have had the same impact if Tuco had said Sargent Sentenza?


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 17, 2012, 09:37:13 PM
Now Tuco says "I'll bet they don't call you Sargent Angel Eyes !!!"  So what do his lips say, and would that have had the same impact if Tuco had said Sargent Sentenza?

you see his lips say "Sentenza." And in the preceding scene, "Blondie, isn't that Angel Eyes?" You see Tuco's lips say "Sentenza"


btw, I understand that "Sentenza" means "sentence" or "judgment" in Italian, but wtf were they thinking, to use that as his name in the English version? That wouldn't have made any sense to an American audience! Also, you see the Mediterannean loaves of bread, which are round and almost flat, ( shaped something like this http://www.amideastfeast.com/recipes/moroccan-bread/ ) in the eating scenes at Stevens's house and with Tuco in Angel Eyes's room. That's how the bread looks in Mediteranean regions, but not in America (I presume that loaves of bread in Texas during the Civil War look the same as they do in America now)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 18, 2012, 04:44:42 AM
I think the bread looks accurate, I've seen old illustrations, if you didn't have a pan and just shaped a loaf by hand or dumped it right out of a bowl it would look like that


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on July 18, 2012, 07:33:35 AM
I think the bread looks accurate, I've seen old illustrations, if you didn't have a pan and just shaped a loaf by hand or dumped it right out of a bowl it would look like that

True CJ.  The Hispanic influence of the Southwest may also play a part.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 18, 2012, 07:45:10 AM
I think the bread looks accurate, I've seen old illustrations, if you didn't have a pan and just shaped a loaf by hand or dumped it right out of a bowl it would look like that

But some of those Mediterannean-shaped breads have lines on top of the bread similar to this Spanish bread http://blog.tienda.com/2009/10/the-quest-for-organic-artisan-bread/ or this Moroccan bread http://www.amideastfeast.com/recipes/moroccan-bread/

while others have a flat top, like in the second picture on this page http://funnelcloud.blogspot.com/2011/02/international-meal-morocco-bread-of.html

I believe the one in GBU that is next to Tuco when he is being tortured has the lines.

If it was the flat top, then maybe it was just dumped haphazardly with no available pan; but wouldn't the fact that it has the lines cut in a specific pattern indicate that it was intentionally made in that shape?

As for Groggy's comment on the Hispanic influence in the Southwest, is Mexican bread shaped in the same way that the Mediterannean bread is shaped? I don't know, I've never seen Mexican bread; just burittos and tacos and tortillas!


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on July 18, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
I did find this:
(http://melatesupermegachidoymas.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/a822.jpg?w=538)

A baguette-type of pastry called bollilo appears to be very popular as well.

Anyway, I'm no culinary expert, so you may be right drink. It wouldn't shock me if an Italian/Spanish bread got into an Italian movie shot in Spain. :D


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 18, 2012, 04:33:12 PM
the reason I noticed this: I used to go to summer camp with this cook who was from Morocco. On the table where her own family ate, she made these special traditional Moroccan loaves of bread for her own family. To this day, it's the only time I'd seen that bread... until I noticed it in GBU. That's why I realized this. I'm sure they just used the loaves of bread they had in Spain and didn't think of having American-style loaves. Clint, Eli, or Lee should have alerted them to this  ;)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 18, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
the reason I noticed this: I used to go to summer camp with this cook who was from Morocco. On the table where her own family ate, she made these special traditional Moroccan loaves of bread for her own family. To this day, it's the only time I'd seen that bread... until I noticed it in GBU. That's why I realized this. I'm sure they just used the loaves of bread they had in Spain and didn't think of having American-style loaves. Clint, Eli, or Lee should have alerted them to this  ;)

BS I think in 1865 that was pretty close to what "home made" bread looked like.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 19, 2012, 12:57:26 AM
BS I think in 1865 that was pretty close to what "home made" bread looked like.

All I know is what bread looks like in 2012: in America it is rectangle/oval loaves, and in Mediterannean regions I believe it looks just like the bread in GBU. I have absolutely no clue what American bread looked like in Texas during the Civil War; you're the historian here  ;)

So you're saying that it may well have looked like that in 1860's Texas, and I have no argument with that.  But my only question is this:  are saying that A) the bread in 1860's Texas was  specifically made in that round/flat shape? Or are you just saying that B) the pans in 1860's Texas were shaped just like they are in America today, with ovals/rectangles; however, if a woman was making home-made bread and didn't have a pan, she'd just plop the bread into the oven without any special shape, and it may well come out round and flat similar to the Mediterranean shape?
It seems to me like your answer is B), correct?

But here's my problem: if you look at the bread in the Stevens home, you will see that it clearly has those lines, it was made in that shape specifically, similar to this one http://www.amideastfeast.com/recipes/moroccan-bread/

So if you are saying the answer is A), then it makes sense. The bread was made in that shape, and that makes sense.
But if your answer is B), that that round/flat shape was just an informal shape that resulted from the bread being plopped loosely into the oven without any special shaping, then why did Stevens's bread have those specially-made lines? (It should instead look like this one  http://www.flickr.com/photos/funnelcloud/5409341623/ )
It seems to me like those lines are a special design, indicating that the bread was intended to be made this way, rather than simply being plopped into the oven without any specifically-intended shape.



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 19, 2012, 03:52:38 AM
B  O0

the lines are either where the dough splits or where its twisted or where the particular housewife decorates it, it can be pure arbitrary, its certainly not going to look like sliced bread shape


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: titoli on July 20, 2012, 01:31:51 AM
Also, you see the Mediterannean loaves of bread, which are round and almost flat, ( shaped something like this http://www.amideastfeast.com/recipes/moroccan-bread/ ) in the eating scenes at Stevens's house and with Tuco in Angel Eyes's room. That's how the bread looks in Mediteranean regions, but not in America (I presume that loaves of bread in Texas during the Civil War look the same as they do in America now)

In Stevens' home the bread is probably baked by his mexican wife.



Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: dave jenkins on July 20, 2012, 04:11:04 PM
On a related point, the wine bottles are all wrapped Italian style. I don't think we've ever had bottles wrapped like that, except on imported Chianti (and maybe domestic knock-offs).


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 20, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
On a related point, the wine bottles are all wrapped Italian style. I don't think we've ever had bottles wrapped like that, except on imported Chianti (and maybe domestic knock-offs).

take a look  ;)

http://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-901700/civil-war-era-wicker-bottle-14-inch--field-hospital-display--antietam-museum.html (http://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-901700/civil-war-era-wicker-bottle-14-inch--field-hospital-display--antietam-museum.html)

http://www.glswrk-auction.com/030.htm (http://www.glswrk-auction.com/030.htm)

http://www.bottlebooks.com/demijohn/wirehandledemijohn.jpg (http://www.bottlebooks.com/demijohn/wirehandledemijohn.jpg)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 21, 2012, 10:30:20 PM
Frayling did mention on the commentary that those are indeed Italian bottles, it does seem to be a mistake. I mean, if that bottle just shows up one time, then it could be that maybe one guy had an import or something! But it shows up multiple times (the bottle that Tuco throws that rolls down the hill in the desert and lands by Blondie's head looks the same). So it does seem to be a mistake, they should have used American-looking bottles.

Similarly, titoli argues that Stevens's bread was baked by his Mexican wife, but the problem with that argument is that the bread in Angel Eyes's headquarters (we see it right next to Tuco's head as he is being tortured on the table by Wallace) looks the same. Well, did the Union baker just so happen to be Mexican as well?  

so the fact that the Mediterranean bread and bottles show up multiple times to me indicates that there was an oversight, unless cigar joe is correct. And I wouldn't dare argue with our resident Professor and Historian of the Old West  ;)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 22, 2012, 07:33:12 AM
Frayling did mention on the commentary that those are indeed Italian bottles, it does seem to be a mistake. I mean, if that bottle just shows up one time, then it could be that maybe one guy had an import or something! But it shows up multiple times (the bottle that Tuco throws that rolls down the hill in the desert and lands by Blondie's head looks the same). So it does seem to be a mistake, they should have used American-looking bottles.

Similarly, titoli argues that Stevens's bread was baked by his Mexican wife, but the problem with that argument is that the bread in Angel Eyes's headquarters (we see it right next to Tuco's head as he is being tortured on the table by Wallace) looks the same. Well, did the Union baker just so happen to be Mexican as well?  

so the fact that the Mediterranean bread and bottles show up multiple times to me indicates that there was an oversight, unless cigar joe is correct. And I wouldn't dare argue with our resident Professor and Historian of the Old West  ;)

WTF are you talking about, did you even look at the image links I posted? The images SHOW American wicker bottles and one from the Civil War battlefield Antietam.

WTF am I even posting answer image links for if you don't look at them    8)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on July 22, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
The fact that coincidental bottles and bread existed in the old west doesn't mean the actual ones used in the film aren't Italian/European. It's certainly easy to buy that a movie shooting in Italy and Spain would have European props.

While Leone was generally good with details, he also had cannon from the Napoleonic era and post-war Gatling guns in the bridge battle. It's not something your average viewer would pick up on. Nor I suppose does it really matter whether the bread is Spanish or Mexican.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 22, 2012, 09:14:25 AM
Yes, I don't know anything about guns, but Frayling said some of those big guns were borrowed from a Spanish museum and are from a different era than the Civil War. He likes to say that Leone uses surface detail to make things appear authentic, while then screwing around with shit per his liking. So it's not that Leone didn't understand that some of the big guns were anachronistic; he just knew that he'd created authentic surface detail and wanted to fill it in with stuff he liked. Similarly, supposedly Blondie's cartridges (in the gun we see him cleaning before shooting Tuco's men in the hotel room) are anachronistic for the Civil War.

cj, did you read the final paragraph of my previous post? I said I won't argue with our resident Professor. And I never brought up the issue about the bottles (though once it was mentioned, I repeated what Frayling said); my issue was with the bread  ;)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 22, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
B  O0

the lines are either where the dough splits or where its twisted or where the particular housewife decorates it, it can be pure arbitrary, its certainly not going to look like sliced bread shape

yeah but that's my point: if you say the shape is cuz it was just plopped in the oven randomly without a specific shape, then does it make much sense to say that it would be specifically shaped/decorated on top? Or does the fact that it was shaped on top indicate that this was made specially in that shape, ie. in a pan, and therefore it indeed is Mediterannean?


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 22, 2012, 09:36:03 AM
Yes, I don't know anything about guns, but Frayling said some of those big guns were borrowed from a Spanish museum and are from a different era than the Civil War. He likes to say that Leone uses surface detail to make things appear authentic, while then screwing around with shit per his liking. So it's not that Leone didn't understand that some of the big guns were anachronistic; he just knew that he'd created authentic surface detail and wanted to fill it in with stuff he liked. Similarly, supposedly Blondie's cartridges (in the gun we see him cleaning before shooting Tuco's men in the hotel room) are anachronistic for the Civil War.

cj, did you read the final paragraph of my previous post? I said I won't argue with our resident Professor. And I never brought up the issue about the bottles (though once it was mentioned, I repeated what Frayling said); my issue was with the bread  ;)

They could have been props but I would think he scrounged actual demijohns but if we are going to get that nitpicky I'm sure a geologist could spot European rock formations or a biologist the Mediterranean olive bushes   ;)


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: cigar joe on July 22, 2012, 09:37:24 AM
yeah but that's my point: if you say the shape is cuz it was just plopped in the oven randomly without a specific shape, then does it make much sense to say that it would be specifically shaped/decorated on top? Or does the fact that it was shaped on top indicate that this was made specially in that shape, ie. in a pan, and therefore it indeed is Mediterannean?

It just means Steven's Mexican wife got creative, my grandmother used to do stuff like that with food.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Groggy on July 22, 2012, 09:39:10 AM
Quote
He likes to say that Leone uses surface detail to make things appear authentic, while then screwing around with shit per his liking.

Sounds about right. O0


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 08, 2012, 09:53:01 AM
Yeah, and Eastwood even made some changes in the dubbing studio (eg. he suggested changing Sentenza's name to Angel Eyes; if you look closely at the actor's lips, you see them saying "Sentenza"; also, you can see Eastwood's lips saying the original line "IDIOTS -- it's for us" before changing it in the dubbing studio to "IDIOTS -- it's for you." (Thanks to Frayling's Blu Ray disc commentary for that).

I think I recall reading about how Age/Scarpelli's stuff wasn't used -- probably a statement that Leone made to Frayling -- but I wonder if that's really true; if so, why would they have been given credit for the screenplay?
In OUATIA, Leone hired Normal Mailer to write the script; Mailer did a significant amount of work but (as I recall reading in STDWD), Leone ultimately did not use it, and said that hardly any of Mailer's work made it into the final movie -- and Mailer's name is nowhere to be found among the 6 (!) screenwriting credits. Well that seems similar to what supposedly happened with Age/Scarpelli with GBU.

Sergio Donati and others who worked for Leone seem to really resent the fact that he was stingy about giving credit to those who worked for him; Leone even refused to give credit to Donati for his work on the GBU screenplay (I guess you'd have to call Donati an "uncredited script doctor"?) So why would Age/Scarpelli get the top screenwriting credit if their material really wasn't used? Was Leone being generous to them? Was it in their contract that they had to get a screenwriting credit? Was Leone trying to cash in on their popularity? Or did they indeed contribute to the final product, despite what Leone later said?

Like so many other things, we may never know....

(Maybe someone can ask Vincenzoni?)




I actually just took a look again at the GBU chapter in STDWD, and it indeed seems that hardly anything of Age-Scarpelli was used, I think Frayling sais that this matter is one thing that Leone and Vincenzoni agree on!

So in that case, I wonder why Leone gave them a screenwriting credit. Was he contractually obliged to do so? Did he hope that would help to sell the movie


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: emmo26 on December 30, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
One quote that does not get mentioned which I think is very under-rated is.........


.......and so Blondie, its goodbye.


Then the "Carriage of the Spirits" kicks in and then the whole dynamic of the film completely changes


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: Senza on February 23, 2013, 11:41:48 PM
"$200,000 is a lot of money. We're gonna have to earn it.", I love the look on Tuco's face after he hears this because it means they must work together one last time to get the gold [before they screw each other over one last time haha]. For me personally, I think Blondie's trying to teach Tuco a lesson about not being greedy, and being fair.


Title: Re: What is the most priceless GBU quote/line from the movie?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 24, 2015, 08:04:26 PM
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman said Israel should just attack Iran and not talk about; he thinks it ruins the deterrent when Israel talks about it. What did Liberman say? That's right: "When you have to shoot, shoot; don't talk!"  ;D http://www.timesofisrael.com/if-you-want-to-shoot-shoot-urges-liberman-deriding-israels-whining-on-iran/


btw, did anyone ever say who came up with that line? Was it Vincenzoni, Donati, or someone else?