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Title: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Amaze on January 06, 2009, 03:37:40 PM
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couldn't find a topic on this movie so starting a new one. has anyone seen it  yet?
I just saw penn jillette say it was the best, most real movie he has ever seen on his video blog.
not sure if it has opened in the u.s. yet but shouldn't be long if it hasn't already.
I don't care much for weepy meditations on life type of movies but maybe it's above that.


trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-GFxjTyV0
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 06, 2009, 04:01:36 PM

not sure if it has opened in the u.s. yet but shouldn't be long if it hasn't already.


I think RR has already seen it.

I have no interest in wrestling or movies about wrestling so I was going to give this a skip.
Should I?
Is it a biopic?

The director doesn't interest me all that much.
I like PI but his other two films I don't care for at all.

Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on January 06, 2009, 08:13:58 PM
I think RR has already seen it.

I have no interest in wrestling or movies about wrestling so I was going to give this a skip.
Should I?
Is it a biopic?

The director doesn't interest me all that much.
I like PI but his other two films I don't care for at all.


See it, definitely. It's to wrestling as Raging Bull is to boxing. Not so much about the sport but more about the human. And Randy 'The Ram' Robinson is a hell of a lot more likable than Jake LaMotta. It's not a biopic but probably inspired by other wrestlers.

Simply put, the best film of the year. I've watched it twice already. See it ASAP.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on January 06, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Oh, and I've always hated wrestling. But it doesn't make much a difference in the end, obviously.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: T.H. on January 06, 2009, 09:44:53 PM
I grew up watching that crap and I don't know if I want to see this. The trailer makes it look like Rocky or something. I don't want to be drubbed with the whole "believe in yourself" nonsense for 2 hours.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 06, 2009, 10:31:43 PM
If I didn't have a long list of films more obviously of interest to me ahead of this, I'd definitely check it out.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 02:36:19 AM

This is for me the BEST PICTURE of the year, period. It is the "Rocky" of my generation. The film is all heart and then some. It had such an emotional impact on me that it changed my life. What makes the film great is that it is REAL. It's relatable in the sense that it deals with the struggles of everyday life. It's truly a beautiful story that really struck a chord within me. The film is so good, it's hard for me to even explain how much I love it.

The film's marketing surrounding the film centered about Mickey Rourke and how this was his resurrection. Well, that was a lot to live up to but Mickey's performance passed all the hype. He truly gives a tour de force performance for the ages. It's easily one of the best acting performances I have ever seen. He looked every bit as like a broken-down wrestler as he could have. What a gritty, realistic portrayal by Mr. Rourke. I would not be shocked if he took home the BEST ACTOR award this year.

I also have to mention the performance by the beautiful and highly underrated Marisa Tomei as the love interest opposite Mickey Rourke. Marisa plays a stripper who also struggles with supporting her family and doesn't necessarily enjoy being a stripper. You can tell by watching Marisa that she put her heart and soul into this role as Mickey did. She deserves a nomination as well.

In short, I don't want to waste any more of your time. This is a film that everybody should go see and see it ASAP. The acting, writing, and direction by Darren Aronofsky is superb. When the end credits rolled, I just sat there in awe as I listened to the beautiful Bruce Springsteen song that sums up this GREAT FILM perfectly.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on January 09, 2009, 07:03:51 AM
This is for me the BEST PICTURE of the year, period. It is the "Rocky" of my generation.
I thought it would be more like Raging Bull :-\
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: cigar joe on January 09, 2009, 07:54:05 AM
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I thought it would be more like Raging Bull


I sure hope it is, it looks very much like a very similar story to Rod Serling's "Requiem for a Heavyweight" check that one out also if possible O0
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 09, 2009, 11:25:49 AM
I thought it would be more like Raging Bull :-\
Wait, wait, a thought is coming to me . . . . could it be more like Raging Bull meets Rocky? :D
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 11:37:39 AM
I thought it would be more like Raging Bull :-\

The original ROCKY is one of the greatest films ever made. So stop talking down on it. I'm not saying this is an exact replay of that film but it is in the tradition of it, for sure.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on January 09, 2009, 01:11:51 PM
The original ROCKY is one of the greatest films ever made. So stop talking down on it. I'm not saying this is an exact replay of that film but it is in the tradition of it, for sure.
I quite like it. I think I gave it 7/10 on IMDb. But no way it's in the same league with Raging Bull. And the main difference between those two movies is that in Rocky the fight is in the event to which the whole movie builds up to whereas in Raging Bull the fights are more or less on the background. So in this light, which movie does The Wrestler resemble more in your opinion?
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: T.H. on January 09, 2009, 02:45:29 PM
The original ROCKY is one of the greatest films ever made. So stop talking down on it. I'm not saying this is an exact replay of that film but it is in the tradition of it, for sure.

As the internet kids say, "U Mad".

Rocky is entertaining and harmless but it's probably not one of the 100 best movies of the 70s.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 02:49:01 PM
As the internet kids say, "U Mad".

Rocky is entertaining and harmless but it's probably not one of the 100 best movies of the 70s.

I definitely think it's in the top 100 greatest films of the 1970's. Are you kidding me. It's even on AFI's top 100 of all-time.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on January 09, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
Would you please answer my question?
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 09, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
Rocky's entertaining but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

I note unfortunately that this movie is playing nowhere near me, so unless I'm able to bootleg it somehow I'm going to pass.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 03:16:54 PM
I quite like it. I think I gave it 7/10 on IMDb. But no way it's in the same league with Raging Bull. And the main difference between those two movies is that in Rocky the fight is in the event to which the whole movie builds up to whereas in Raging Bull the fights are more or less on the background. So in this light, which movie does The Wrestler resemble more in your opinion?

I think you're wrong about Rocky. That film is not even about boxing as a whole but about one man's will to succeed and feel accepted. I don't even like the comparison between Raging Bull and Rocky. Raging Bull is a biopic where as Rocky isn't. Raging Bull is a bit more ambitous from a directing and editing standpoint whereas Rocky succeeds greatly in the story departement. It's all heart. The Wrestler has a lot of similarities in this regard. It's not so much about wrestling but more about the struggles of this man's everyday life and how he suffers from past mistakes.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: T.H. on January 09, 2009, 03:50:07 PM
I definitely think it's in the top 100 greatest films of the 1970's. Are you kidding me. It's even on AFI's top 100 of all-time.

The AFI is a joke and I don't think Rocky is one of the best 100 of the 70s. It's decent, but far from a masterpiece or anything of the sort. I can see how some may love it for personal reasons, but I don't understand how anyone can really think Rocky is a landmark movie.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 09, 2009, 03:51:53 PM
The AFI is a joke and I don't think Rocky is one of the best 100 of the 70s. It's decent, but far from a masterpiece or anything of the sort. I can see how some may love it for personal reasons, but I don't understand how anyone can really think Rocky is a landmark movie.

Rocky 4 is clearly the best in the series. If he dies, he dies. DRAAAGOOO! Hearts on fire. God damn, time to put that movie on. :D
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: T.H. on January 09, 2009, 04:14:20 PM
the russian wilderness causes one's skin to darken.

Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 04:25:04 PM
The AFI is a joke and I don't think Rocky is one of the best 100 of the 70s. It's decent, but far from a masterpiece or anything of the sort. I can see how some may love it for personal reasons, but I don't understand how anyone can really think Rocky is a landmark movie.

Rocky is acted out and written brilliantly and it's direction by Avildsen is teriffic. It's definitely a landmark film.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: cigar joe on January 09, 2009, 04:34:28 PM
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Rocky is acted out and written brilliantly and it's direction by Avildsen is teriffic. It's definitely a landmark film.


What planet are you smokin'?

Its just a predictable film about a big dumb meatball, with the theme milked over & over again   ^-^
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 09, 2009, 04:39:08 PM
Rocky is acted out and written brilliantly and it's direction by Avildsen is teriffic. It's definitely a landmark film.

I'll agree the acting isn't bad but the direction is cookie cutter seventies kitchen sink style. Nothing remotely remarkable about it.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 04:40:37 PM


What planet are you smokin'?

Its just a predictable film about a big dumb meatball, with the theme milked over & over again   ^-^

In the film world it only appears on best ever lists over and over again but within the Leone Forums of course it's considered terrible by snobs like you cigar. Go figure. I'm not surprised one bit. To call ROCKY subpar is blashemy and it is in my opinion that you're way off the mark.

haha, I laugh at some of you. The key word here is "some."

The real question is, what planet are YOU from cigar?
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 09, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
I'll agree the acting isn't bad but the direction is cookie cutter seventies kitchen sink style. Nothing remotely remarkable about it.

HEEEAAARTS ON FIIIREEE! STRRROOONG DEEESIIIIRE!!!

I love the first Rocky. I don't think it's one of the greatest films of all time, but I could easily watch it anytime, anyday. Hell, I just watched the whole AMC Marathon for Rocky the other day.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 04:43:59 PM

I'm not talking about the sequels Whalestoe.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 09, 2009, 04:49:21 PM
I'm not talking about the sequels Whalestoe.

Cool? I'm telling you I like all the Rocky's. The first one isn't a masterpiece by any means. It's a fun movie, as are all the sequels that follow it.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
Cool? I'm telling you I like all the Rocky's. The first one isn't a masterpiece by any means. It's a fun movie, as are all the sequels that follow it.

TO you it's not, to me IT IS. It's definitely a masterpiece that WON BEST PICTURE in 1976 and well deserving. It's one of the greatest films of the 1970's and is arguably the most inspiring piece of cinema of all-time.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 09, 2009, 05:15:43 PM
TO you it's not, to me IT IS. It's definitely a masterpiece that WON BEST PICTURE in 1976 and well deserving. It's one of the greatest films of the 1970's and is arguably the most inspiring piece of cinema of all-time.

Winning best picture =/= masterpiece. That's just a dumb way to justify anything. Return of the King won Best Picture too. Doesn't make it a great movie. I think you're getting uppity at the wrong guy here, I like Rocky a lot.... I guess just not as much as you do.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Atlas2112 on January 09, 2009, 05:28:58 PM
yeah TB you really got cool your jets, leting the "it deserved its win" comment aside, do you really think its the most inspiring movie of all time? comon TB leave the hyperbole for the next presidential election.

and for the record i did enjoy rocky (not as much as IV though)
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 07:28:47 PM
Winning best picture =/= masterpiece. That's just a dumb way to justify anything. Return of the King won Best Picture too. Doesn't make it a great movie. I think you're getting uppity at the wrong guy here, I like Rocky a lot.... I guess just not as much as you do.

I never said all best pictures are masterpieces. There you go again speaking for me. I'm just letting you know that it won, and in my opinion, it deserved it. It's a masterpiece in my opinion and that's that. And DON'T call me uppity man. I'm far from it. Stating my opinion about the film doesn't make me uppity. I'm very passionate about the way I explain things and I'm getting sick and tired of some of you getting mad at that. Talk about uppity. Most of you are beyond that!
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 07:30:24 PM
yeah TB you really got cool your jets, leting the "it deserved its win" comment aside, do you really think its the most inspiring movie of all time? comon TB leave the hyperbole for the next presidential election.

and for the record i did enjoy rocky (not as much as IV though)

My jets are cooled. You're another USER who obviously misunderstands me. I like this film, I think this film is GREAT and I'm not alone in that assesment. Yes, it's arguably the most inspiring movie of all-time. And I don't enjoy you bringing politics into this convo when it has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 09, 2009, 08:10:18 PM
I never said all best pictures are masterpieces. There you go again speaking for me. I'm just letting you know that it won, and in my opinion, it deserved it. It's a masterpiece in my opinion and that's that. And DON'T call me uppity man. I'm far from it. Stating my opinion about the film doesn't make me uppity. I'm very passionate about the way I explain things and I'm getting sick and tired of some of you getting mad at that. Talk about uppity. Most of you are beyond that!

Haha, I'm not mad at you. I think you're trying to justify Rocky being a good movie to the wrong person is all. And when you TYPE like THIS I assume you're being UPPITY. Especially when it's directed towards me. Anyway, <3 u.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Atlas2112 on January 09, 2009, 08:15:49 PM
no, you see TB, I'm a POSTER, one who doesn't particular take kindly to your inference of being a drug USER (if that was your intention of capitalizing that word)

again, i understand you LIKING the film, i do too but this whole most inspirational movie of all time stuff is just bunk. Without bringing that Frank Capra QUACK (How inspirational was HIS porno?) there are just too many films to count that i would place ahead as BOTH being better films and more inspirational.

Politics? who's talking about POLITICS? I'm talking about HYPERBOLE, which is a word i now retract seeing as your level of exaggeration is not intentional and is quite literal. I MERELY bring up the election as one of the only places this level of exaggeration belongs (Along with Sporting events, and bad allegorical novels)

again, i like Rocky but clearly not as much as YOU do. (thats the last time i'll cap for emphasis again, i swear)

EDIT: CAP situation already brought up, my use of caps aren't satirical anymore but just insulting, ignore them please
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 08:25:12 PM
Haha, I'm not mad at you. I think you're trying to justify Rocky being a good movie to the wrong person is all. And when you TYPE like THIS I assume you're being UPPITY. Especially when it's directed towards me. Anyway, <3 u.

I love you too! :)
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 08:26:45 PM
no, you see TB, I'm a POSTER, one who doesn't particular take kindly to your inference of being a drug USER (if that was your intention of capitalizing that word)

again, i understand you LIKING the film, i do too but this whole most inspirational movie of all time stuff is just bunk. Without bringing that Frank Capra QUACK (How inspirational was HIS porno?) there are just too many films to count that i would place ahead as BOTH being better films and more inspirational.

Politics? who's talking about POLITICS? I'm talking about HYPERBOLE, which is a word i now retract seeing as your level of exaggeration is not intentional and is quite literal. I MERELY bring up the election as one of the only places this level of exaggeration belongs (Along with Sporting events, and bad allegorical novels)

again, i like Rocky but clearly not as much as YOU do. (thats the last time i'll cap for emphasis again, i swear)

EDIT: CAP situation already brought up, my use of caps aren't satirical anymore but just insulting, ignore them please

Hey, I originally said it was "arguably" the most inspirational film of all-time. I didn't see it was THE one. There are a lot of inspirational films and I think this is one of them. If someone said they thought it was the most inspirational then I just was stating they have a good argument. The film sure moves me.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on January 09, 2009, 09:05:31 PM
I'd say Rocky is the most inspiring movie ever.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 09, 2009, 09:08:18 PM
HEEEAAARTS ON FIIIREEE! STRRROOONG DEEESIIIIRE!!!

I love the first Rocky. I don't think it's one of the greatest films of all time, but I could easily watch it anytime, anyday. Hell, I just watched the whole AMC Marathon for Rocky the other day.

That's where I watched it. O0
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 09, 2009, 09:25:54 PM
I'd say Rocky is the most inspiring movie ever.
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And then I'd say you have good taste Mr. Power.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 10, 2009, 09:53:57 AM
Its just a predictable film


Except for maybe the ending... no?
Or did everybody forsee him losing?
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on January 10, 2009, 10:27:18 AM
Except for maybe the ending... no?
Or did everybody forsee him losing?
I didn't. That really raised the movie to a different class. But it still isn't a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 10, 2009, 10:37:44 AM
We don't learn he lost until the sequel, so I'm not sure how that counts.

Anyway... TB, perhaps you haven't noticed but you do often cite a film's success at the box office or critical acclaim as an argument for its quality. It's not "putting words in your mouth" at all, you do a good enough of job of that yourself. I remember the Forrest Gump thread.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on January 10, 2009, 11:29:53 AM
We don't learn he lost until the sequel, so I'm not sure how that counts.
We don't? ??? I don't remember watching the sequel. Not entirely, anyway.

Anyway... TB, perhaps you haven't noticed but you do often cite a film's success at the box office or critical acclaim as an argument for its quality. It's not "putting words in your mouth" at all, you do a good enough of job of that yourself. I remember the Forrest Gump thread.
I kind of understand that approach in the sense that it means that many people think a film is good. They gotta think so if they choose to award it! But popularity really is no argument. It proves that certain people like certain movie but it doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you if you don't agree with them. Commercial success, on the other hand, has nowadays very little to do with what people like. It's much more about the advertising than the word of mouth than it used to be. Besides, using this logic Thriller is the best album ever released ::)
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 10, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
Well from my viewing it ended with Rocky going the distance but no word on a decision - I suppose the fact that he went the distance was more important than whether he won or lost. They replayed the last few minutes of the fight at the beginning of Rocky II and they declare Apollo Creed the winner.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 10, 2009, 12:24:10 PM

Rocky is a masterpiece, plain and simple.

And yes, if you're any bit of a boxing fan, you would have noticed he lost at the end of the first film. Plus, the ending was not predictable at the time when many viewers thought he was going to win.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 10, 2009, 12:26:14 PM
We don't learn he lost until the sequel, so I'm not sure how that counts.

Anyway... TB, perhaps you haven't noticed but you do often cite a film's success at the box office or critical acclaim as an argument for its quality. It's not "putting words in your mouth" at all, you do a good enough of job of that yourself. I remember the Forrest Gump thread.

I cite critics when I agree with them. I laugh how a lot of you say that critics don't know what they're talking about when you don't agree with them. They have an opinion just like any of us.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on January 10, 2009, 12:40:06 PM
Lol, Rocky clearly lost at the end of the first one. It wasn't 'revealed' in the sequel.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 10, 2009, 04:46:28 PM
I didn't. That really raised the movie to a different class. But it still isn't a masterpiece.


That's how I felt about.
It was ending that made me like it.
If he had won I would have found the whole deal as a predictable bore.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 10, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
It wasn't explicitly stated to my memory, and I don't know a damned thing about boxing.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
Rocky 4 is clearly the best in the series. If he dies, he dies. DRAAAGOOO! Hearts on fire. God damn, time to put that movie on. :D


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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Atlas2112 on January 11, 2009, 12:18:22 AM
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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 11, 2009, 12:53:29 AM

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 11, 2009, 11:47:38 AM

Here we go again. Stop fucking UP THREADS FC. I cannot stand that. It's such immature shit.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 11:53:24 AM
Well this is a thread about The Wrestler, and yet we've spent the last three pages discussing Rocky. I'd say the thread was already fucked up.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 11:58:15 AM
and yet we've spent the last three pages discussing Rocky.

Which my post made a connection to.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 12:01:50 PM
Nice to see you taking responsibility. Very mature.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 12:05:34 PM
Do onto others...
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on January 11, 2009, 12:30:59 PM
More people need to see this...everyone I've shown it to loved it.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 12:32:38 PM
I saw a trailer at Frost/Nixon yesterday, looks okay but there are still other films I want to see first (might see Milk and/or Benjamin Button next weekend). It's still not playing anywhere around here, it might somewhere down the line though.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 11, 2009, 01:07:54 PM

Ok, let's get back to THE WRESTLER. Everyone I've talked to who's seen it has given nothing but positive feedback. I'm loving it.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 11, 2009, 01:30:55 PM
More people need to see this...everyone I've shown it to loved it.

I might go see it today. Perhaps. If I can get a friend to go with me.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 11, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
I might go see it today. Perhaps. If I can get a friend to go with me.

Well, I could drive down to see it with you but that might not be such a good idea. I might strangle you in the process.  O0
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
It isn't playing anywhere near me. Maybe next week.
I'll go see Slumdog Millionare while I'am waiting.

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
For TB: ;)

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 01:46:37 PM
For TB: ;)

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Maybe Rourke should take Hanks' place.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 11, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
For TB: ;)

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 11, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
Well, I could drive down to see it with you but that might not be such a good idea. I might strangle you in the process.  O0

I have to watch the Charger game first though! I can't believe they made it... :o
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
Why not spread it around? :D

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 11, 2009, 01:54:29 PM
I have to watch the Charger game first though! I can't believe they made it... :o

Yeah, I'll be watching that as well. I'm watching the Eagles/Giants right now and am loving it. Down goes the GIANTS. Although I hate the Eagles as well, I hope they keep this up. I know to many Giants fans and they've been arrogant as of late.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 01:55:34 PM
You're going DOWN, Whalestoe. :P
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 11, 2009, 01:56:51 PM
You're going DOWN, Whalestoe. :P

It's the Chargers--I'm constantly waiting to be let down and crushed.  :-\
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 01:58:32 PM
Well, I'm glad you beat out the Broncos at least. Any team that blows a 4 game lead with four games to play deserves to go down - hard.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 11, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
Well, I'm glad you beat out the Broncos at least. Any team that blows a 4 game lead with four games to play deserves to go down - hard.

HAHAHA! Chargers WHOOPED their asses. Funny year in football.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
Well, it looks all the lower seeds are winning, so sadly you do have a chance... :-\

Er, I mean, back on topic:
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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 02:03:41 PM
Well, it looks all the lower seeds are winning, so sadly you do have a chance... :-\

Er, I mean, back on topic:
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 O0 >:D
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
14-10 at half-time Whalestoe. :D
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Whalestoe on January 11, 2009, 04:37:49 PM
14-10 at half-time Whalestoe. :D

Now it's what, 21-10? Chargers always fucking blow it, man. I have ZERO faith in them anymore.

Bwuahahaha! Chargers don't deserve to win now. I hope they lose. That was pathetic.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
Not after the muffed punt, especially. :D
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
We win! Now, let's get back on topic... Eventually. :D

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: cigar joe on January 11, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
remind me who the fat ass blond is  8)
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Groggy on January 11, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Ben Roethlisberger? :-\
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: ShortFuse on January 11, 2009, 07:39:22 PM
I wasn't a fan of Requiem for a Dream and The Fountain put me to sleep after 5 minutes, so I am not sure about this one.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 11, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
I wasn't a fan of Requiem for a Dream and The Fountain put me to sleep after 5 minutes, so I am not sure about this one.

Stop thinking about it and go see it.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on January 11, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
2 Golden Globes, not bad.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2009, 10:41:32 PM
remind me who the fat ass blond is  8)


agnetha faltskog

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 12, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Would mister Gump and Rourke be interested in this?

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Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 15, 2009, 01:53:43 PM
Here's the review at Big Hollywood. Sounds like the ending is a real shame:

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Review: The Wrestler
by John Nolte

Director Darren Aronofsky’s stark look at the subculture of low-level professional wrestling builds to an impressive and ambitious character study that looks to be equal parts Requiem For A Heavyweight (1962) and The Set-Up (1949) before a predictable, cliched, cop-out of a climax unravels what had been so compelling into something more akin to What Price Narcissism?

Mickey Rourke summons a career performance as Randy “The Ram” Robinson, a washed up WWF-style wrestler who refuses to let go of his nearly extinguished celebrity even though his superstar days were left well behind decades ago in the era of spandex, big hair, and heavy metal anthems. With his long, stringy, bleached hair, artificial tan, and steroid-abused body, Robinson’s a hulking, grotesque monster of a man willing to suffer whatever it takes for another round of love from the crowd.

What he suffers most, however, are relentless humiliations, both big and small. Throughout New Jersey, Robinson spills blood in any seedy, makeshift gymnasium the circuit sets up. No matter how small the venue, though, the crowds still don’t reach capacity and he isn’t able to make even enough money to cover the rent on a depressing single-wide trailer he calls home. To supplement his income, Robinson deals in the drugs of his profession and unloads grocery trucks for a cruel, little man who lives to ridicule him.

Lonely and lost outside the ring, the faded superstar turns to Cassidy (Marisa Tomei), a fortyish stripper who for sixty bucks gives him something he needs even more than a topless lap dance, a few moments of gentle, human tenderness. Though it remains unspoken between them, both know few others can relate to life as aging performance-meat, with time running out and no future in sight.

After a particularly bloody and sadistic bout involving a staple gun and razor wire, Robinson wisely takes a doctor’s advice, retires, and goes about the business of building a normal life. He takes full-time hours at the grocery store, let’s Cassidy know how he feels about her, and after too many years reaches out to his estranged, college-aged daughter Stephanie (Evan Rachel Wood), whom he abandoned for fame when she was still a child.

The Wrestler has at least a dozen exceptional scenes that rank as the best of the year, all beautifully acted, shot and directed - especially those detailing the grim routine of Robinson’s life. The way in which Robinson and Cassidy find a way to connect through a shared loathing of 90’s music, and Robinson’s first day behind the deli counter are unforgettable and alone worth the price of admission.

What grinds The Wrestler up are the demands of a three-act plot structure and the unimaginative and rote way in which those demands are satisfied. What was subtle goes melodrama. What was real becomes contrived. And instead of a film that had a life force of its own, you feel the gears turn as characters betray everything we know about them in order to create necessary crisis points.

But other than Rourke’s moments, including an affecting confession and apology, there is no point where the father/daughter subplot is either subtle or real. Every imaginable cliche involving an embittered, angry daughter hurt by her loser father gets a hearing. And rather than try to rise above her tired scenes, Evan Rachel Wood seems dedicated to making obvious performance choices.

Which brings me to how the film ends. Without giving anything away, let’s just say that Aronofsky and screenwriter, Robert D. Siegel, take the road most travelled. The choice itself is bad enough but to have a character make a long speech to explain it is insult on top of injury. A hundred minutes spent laying down themes and developing a complicated and compelling character we very much sympathize with, and rather than take the time to craft the compelling and complicated fate he deserved, we get … this.

Every hopeful, painful moment of Requiem For A Heavyweight comes down to the exquisite, tragic site of Louis “Mountain” Rivera (Anthony Quinn) humiliated as a stunt performer whooping around the ring wearing Indian feathers. Juxtapose that with Robert Ryan’s Stoker, who takes a crippling beating but walks away with his chin up, the past behind him and the girl he loves on his arm.

Tragic, bittersweet, inspirational…

How the film ends isn’t up to me. But to strip away the heavy emotional investment made into this character and have me walk out not giving a damn about him isn’t about which fate’s the filmmaker chose, it’s about the execution of that fate.

The Ram deserved better.


Posted Jan 15th 2009 at 7:55 am
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: noodles_leone on January 25, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
7.5/10

The biggest (onyl?) flaw of the movie was actually this speech. Useless, cliché and insulting for the audience. But that doesn't waste the whole ending, which was really the most moving scene i saw in theatre this year.
Althought the journalist makes some valid points about the 3 acts structure, i'd rather see it as part of the lack of creativity that is in the whole movie.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on February 04, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
I really liked this (9/10 shall we say?) but the fucking ending! What the fuck?! Even the speech didn't bother me as much as the last image. I'm just about fed up with these "ambiguous" endings. Minutes ahead I knew (or better put: feared) the ending and it's not funny. Five more minutes to wrap up everything isn't all that much asked in my opinion. The Oscar goes without a doubt to Rourke.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on February 04, 2009, 08:11:16 PM
I personally felt it was pretty obvious he died, and not necessary to show just exactly what happened.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: noodles_leone on February 04, 2009, 08:56:42 PM
Time to use the word "spoiler"?
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: moviesceleton on February 05, 2009, 01:06:45 AM
I personally felt it was pretty obvious he died, and not necessary to show just exactly what happened.
Yeah, that's what I thought too but it was still kinda disappointing.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on February 05, 2009, 04:53:35 AM
Time to use the word "spoiler"?
SPOILER!
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 07, 2009, 01:22:05 PM
Snuck into this after seeing Taken.
Not bad but nothing out of this world either.
By the time Rourke starts having a relationship with his daughter I started checking my watch because the movie was waltzing into cliche.

For a guy who doesn't like wrestling the early matches were very exciting, looks like Rourke and the other actors were really hurting each other.

I had a problem with Ram's living status. Here's a guy who used to be a big celeb (the dude had action figures and video games made after him) and he's livin' in a trailer park?
Was all of that money wasted on blow?

This is the director's most accessible film to date.

7/10
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on February 07, 2009, 04:01:25 PM
I like the movie, I think it's very good. Mostly because of Rourke's performance than anything else. Watched it a few times so far and it did fade away a little, but it's still sincere and exempt from the pathetic that is a standard to these ''old washed-out athlete that doesn't have a life, let alone a family'' semi-biopics. I won't deny that it is full of clichés (attempted relationship with Pam ''the whore with the heart of gold'', he doesn't talk to his adolescent (?) daughter, lives in some shit-hole, struggling with the real life, when he's not wrestling he works on whatever job he can find, etc.). However, the other aspects of his 'life' are depicted far better (realistic?). First of all he's a really nice guy, apart from being a fuckup he seems to know how to behave when around normal people, and his collegues seem to respect him, and that was really strange and unusual, in the end even Ayatollah turns out to be a nice fella with no animosity towards him. Then, we were spared for the part when he's trying to get his life together, that always runs as an integrated segment of this kind of movies. He didn't even bother much with his daughter, like he knew there's nothing more to do, I don't say he didn't hope something can come out of it but I felt like he was really just letting it go, getting an excuse to go fight the last match of his life. Like, she'll tell him he's a no-good piece of shit, so he can pity himself a little, forget about the health issues, and go where he actually represents something to someone (whatever that is, maybe just entertainment, but still something). In the end looked like he wasn't even sorry for how he spent his life, that there's very little you can blame him for. The problem with drugs and everything else, as he takes it,  seem more like a part of the job than something bad. If he got asbestosis in some mine, everybody would say he was a hero during his life, or something like that, but, since he was just a stupid wrestler who willingly destroyed himself, then who gives a flying fuck about him.

The most emotional moment is just before the last match, when the song SCOM starts. It is the equivalent of the final three-way shootout in GBU: The Ram, Mickey Rourke and the GNR, dancing in Bob's Country Bunker long after the lights went off. The movie could have ended even without his last match, just after he salutes the crowd, maybe it would have been even better. I tell you, they almost got a tear out of me.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on February 07, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
Quote
I had a problem with Ram's living status. Here's a guy who used to be a big celeb (the dude had action figures and video games made after him) and he's livin' in a trailer park?
Was all of that money wasted on blow?

Yeah, that was a bit blur.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 12, 2009, 05:16:40 PM
he's a really nice guy, apart from being a fuckup he seems to know how to behave when around normal people, and his collegues seem to respect him, and that was really strange and unusual, 

I think his days of being an asshole are long gone by the time we meet him.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 12, 2009, 05:22:21 PM
That's some queer pussy ass shit, lemme tell ya.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: T.H. on November 06, 2009, 09:45:18 AM
I had a problem with Ram's living status. Here's a guy who used to be a big celeb (the dude had action figures and video games made after him) and he's livin' in a trailer park?

Exactly. He would be making bigger money. It would be comparable to Randy Savage living in a trailer park.

Quick thoughts.

Tomei and Rourke's performances are the only positives.

This story has been done a million times and much better. Fat City, for one.

The first half hour is arguably pointless, it shouldn't take that long to communicate to the audience that he's a bum.

The handling of all things wrestling were poor and not too well researched. A scene of selling drugs in a locker room in this day age? Gimme a break.

There are WAY too many wrestling scenes in this movie. Boogie Nights is 2.5 hours and has exactly ONE scene which portrays the main character on his job. This has like 9 matches, which really weren't impressive.

Too much wannabee Cassavetes steadicam, it was distracting.

It really irked me when Aronofsky chose to pipe in chants and cheering noises during the tracking shot of Rourke walking through the grocery store, as if the audience isn't intelligent enough to make that connection. Moments like this really kept me from fully enjoying this one.

I give it a "C".
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: noodles_leone on May 15, 2010, 01:07:07 AM

The Wrestler (2008) 7.5/10


Yeah, good movie but apart from one wrestling scene, what's haven't we already seen over 1.000 times in other movies? I agree with your rating.
South Park episode on wrestling was pretty funny too.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: noodles_leone on April 02, 2015, 01:52:21 PM
So this movie was on TV lately and I noticed I had absolutely no intention of re-watching it. It was also on Netflix some time ago (maybe still is). It didn't stand the test of time for me. I also noticed that nobody around me has mentioned the movie for years. Even when Noah was released it got very little talk. So I was wondering: are there still people who love this movie or everybody kind of agree with a "I completely forgot about this" 6-7/10?
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 02, 2015, 02:07:44 PM
everybody kind of agree with a "I completely forgot about this" 6-7/10?
I vote "aye."
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: PowerRR on April 02, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
So this movie was on TV lately and I noticed I had absolutely no intention of re-watching it. It was also on Netflix some time ago (maybe still is). It didn't stand the test of time for me. I also noticed that nobody around me has mentioned the movie for years. Even when Noah was released it got very little talk. So I was wondering: are there still people who love this movie or everybody kind of agree with a "I completely forgot about this" 6-7/10?
I still think it's an excellent masterpiece and Aronofsky's best film by a looong shot. Actually put the DVD in the other day but got distracted by friends and alcohol. Noah got very little talk because it sucked cock.
Title: Re: The Wrestler (2008)
Post by: Dust Devil on April 04, 2015, 04:07:49 AM
Yeah I still like it, wouldn't count it as a masterpiece though.