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Title: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 06, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
I know this isn't everybodies favorite movie (it pales in comparison to the first two in the so called trilogy) but there is something about it that is very engaging.

Perhaps it's the sharp dialogue between the characters.

Perhaps it is the good pacing... not sure.

All I know is... I wasn't ever bored.

7/10


Chris Mitchum's acting is wooden but I enjoy his "I don't give a shit" style of acting.
Very non-traditional and refreshing.
I suppose it helps that he's become an email buddy.
It seems that you end up liking these people a lot more when you have a chance to talk to them.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on January 06, 2009, 06:54:55 PM
Oh it stinks all right. I did like the Duke, Jack Elam and the shootout at the end but everything else was dire. Particularly the atrocious supporting cast - Chris Mitchum, Jorge Rivero, Jennifer O'Neal? Could you GET a worse assembly of actors than that?


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: titoli on January 06, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
I saw it in a cinema, I saw it again on tv and it gets worse and worse each time.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on January 06, 2009, 07:02:23 PM
I didn't even like it as a kid, back when I'd watch any piece of crap with John Wayne in it. That says a lot.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 06, 2009, 07:19:33 PM
back when I'd watch any piece of crap with John Wayne in it.

Ya mean like The Cowboys and The Big Trail?
Nah, Rio Lobo is better.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on January 06, 2009, 07:22:42 PM
I like The Cowboys. I haven't seen Big Trail.

I was more thinking of stuff like Paradise Canyon, Chisum, The Green Berets, things like that.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 06, 2009, 07:28:50 PM
Forgot about Chisum.

Yeah, the 70's was the end of good Wayne movies (except maybe Big Jake and The Shootist).


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on January 06, 2009, 07:49:49 PM
Haven't seen Big Jake either. :-\ The Shootist was really good although I didn't like it as much the second time.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 06, 2009, 08:25:33 PM
Haven't seen Big Jake either. :-\

Not missing too much.

It's one of my favorite Wayne westerns for all the wrong reasons.
It was just totally different from all the ones that came before it (pretty gory).


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on January 07, 2009, 02:18:26 AM
Hawks is among my Top 7 Directors. EL DORADO should have been his swan song instead.

LOBO suffered from the fact that Hollywood was dying by 1969: Originally it was designed for
two big leads like Wayne & Mitchum or Wayne & Dean Martin before. The budget was cut down
so much, it only provided Rivero & a few sidekicks. The film is only for film scholars - one can study
the differences between LOBO, BRAVO & DORADO and learn...

Much better is a 1970 TV show named PLIMPTON - SHOOTOUT AT RIO LOBO.
If ever have a chance to see it...
TV's George Plimpton is 'learning a profession' in each episode (like 'football player' , Boxer'..).
For this show he becomes a bit player in Hawks film and the whole 43 min. show was filmed
on location! Superb & funny too!


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: stanton on January 07, 2009, 02:41:05 AM
Rio Lobo is of course weak compared to it's predecessors, but it's also not bad. At least it's much better than all of  Wayne's collaborations with Andy McClaglen.
The Duke seemed tired and the cast is not the best, except for Elam who enjoys himself very much, and I (maybe I'm the only one) liked also Jennifer O'Neil. I think she was quite good.

This and The Cowboys were Wayne's only interesting westerns between True Grit and The Shootist.

Entertaining and maybe a 6/10

Funny is that the german critics of the ambitious journal Filmkritik, who hadn't any interest in Hawks before the mid-sixties, loved him now so much that nearly all of them gave Rio Lobo the highest ratings and wrote complicated stuff about it, while at the same time they mostly disliked the masterpieces The Wild Bunch, OuTW, The Great Silence, The Mercenary and Butch Cassidy & Sundance Kid.



Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on January 07, 2009, 05:31:27 AM
Right.
Then again, with these 'ambitious' critics circles it is always the same - they have certain writers which worship their favorite filmmakers (like Hitchcock / Cahiers Du Cinema) and therefore put those into the foreground. So Hawks was suddenly hip with FILMKRITIK (mostly because of his great work decades ago), while the other stuff was new in the cinemas and marked as 'mainstream'(Butch) or 'trendy' (Italian Westerns).

I collect reviews only for an additional opinion. A film student should rate a film by himself :)

Yesterday I watched ROLLERBALL again and was stunned it basically had bad reviews in the US. Those critics over there saw ALMOST ALWAYS another film I suppose. They are so concerned about PLOT they they fail to see the much more important values of a film. That approach didn't help good filmmakers at all trying to make worthwhile ambitious or significant films.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on January 07, 2009, 03:27:03 PM
I would agree it's better than most of McLaglen's films, but that's no great feat.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 10, 2011, 04:28:13 AM
Rio Lobo is a decent watch, maybe a 6/10.
one reason Rio Lobo annoyed me less than El Dorado did is that El Dorado was just a total ripoff of Rio Bravo; Rio Lobo had some of the same plot elements, but not nearly as blatant (eg. staying in jail guarding the prisoner happens much later in the film...) El Dorado just seemed like a copy of Rio Bravo (which, btw, is my favorite American Western) and really annoyed me.
I really like the first half or so of Rio Lobo, particularly the Civil War sequences. I saw it a while ago, but I seem to remember really liking the sets. The production design was very good....


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 10, 2011, 04:34:05 AM
Haven't seen Big Jake either. :-\ The Shootist was really good although I didn't like it as much the second time.

I loved The Shootist; a very fitting send-off for The Duke (though he couldn't have known it at the time).

Big Jake was terrible; only things good were a) John Wayne; b) beautiful landscapes; and c) good score by Elmer Bernstein


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on October 31, 2011, 07:30:41 PM
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John Wayne's stretch of films between True Grit and The Shootist is a pretty grim sight, The Cowboys notwithstanding. Exhibit A is Rio Lobo (1970), his final collaboration with Howard Hawks. Even Jacques Rivette would have a hard time defending this film, a mediocre rehash of previous Wayne glories.

During the Civil War, Union Colonel Cord McNally (John Wayne) sees a gold shipment robbed by Confederate partisans led by Captain Cordona (Jorge Rivero) and Sergeant Tuscarora (Christopher Mitchum). When the war ends, McNally runs into his old adversaries and learns that the robbery was set up by a traitor amongst McNally's ranks. McNally's quest for vengeance leads to the scummy border town of Rio Lobo, where his old adversary (Victor French) and a crooked Sheriff (Mike Henry) run the town as a private fiefdom. McNally teams up with the ex-Rebels, feisty girl Shasta (Jennifer O'Neill) and a grouchy old coot (Jack Elam) to set things right.

Lazy is the perfect word for Rio Lobo. After a creative curtain-raising train robbery, the film's plot drifts all over the place and never amounts to anything remotely interesting. Unable to generate much narrative interest, Hawks falls back on a rerun of Rio Bravo and El Dorado for the last half-hour. The Duke who shunned help in Rio Bravo enlists a gaggle of townspeople for the final showdown, but that's the only fresh wrinkle in a hopelessly derivative Western.

John Wayne is always a pleasure to watch, but he's let down a lousy supporting cast. Jorge Rivero (Soldier Blue) and Chris Mitchum are uncharismatic losers who aren't fit to hold the Duke's jockstrap. Love interest Jennifer O'Neill's acting talent sure doesn't match her looks, and villains Mike Henry and Victor French are as threatening as neutered poodles. The lone bright spot is Jack Elam (Once Upon a Time in the West) in the Walter Brennan/Arthur Hunnicut role as Wayne's grouchy sidekick.

Rio Lobo is overwhelmingly mediocre. It's not painful to watch, but even the most hardcore Duke fans won't find much of interest. 5/10

http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2011/10/rio-lobo.html (http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2011/10/rio-lobo.html)



Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 31, 2011, 08:28:10 PM
I pretty much agree with you, Groggy. I may up the rating slightly to somewhere between 5.5 and 6, but this sure was a disappointment. Wasn't as blatant a ripoff of Rio Bravo as El Dorado was (till the end), but for a movie that started out so well with the incredible Civil War stuff, it sure turned disappointing after that.

Aside from those opening scenes, I remember liking the production design, Wayne, and little else.

Rio Bravo is probably my favorite AW, and Hawks was a wonderful director, but he should have left well enough alone, rather than repeating that story.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: stanton on November 01, 2011, 03:44:03 AM
I basically follow Groggy's review, but I'm nevertheless more positive about Rio Lobo. I don't like the civil war intro that much, and I like Jennifer O'Neil's acting.

Of course it can't held a candle to the much superior Rio Bravo and El Dorado, but it is still done in the typical relaxed Wayne style, and al in all I enjoyed it last month more than on former viewings. 6,5/10

So it is still a better John Wayner in realtion to his too often disappointing output between True Grit and The Shootist. The other 2 are Big Jake (6/10) and of course The Cowboys (7,5/10).


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 01, 2011, 06:27:25 AM
Big Jake is one of the worst Westerns ever made


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: stanton on November 01, 2011, 07:30:49 AM
Big Jake is one of the worst Westerns ever made

You still have seen a lot of the worst westerns ever. ;)



Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: Groggy on November 01, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
One of the worst Western ever, no, but a pretty wretched film all the same.


Title: Re: Rio Lobo (1970)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 01, 2011, 10:27:50 AM
One of the worst Western ever, no, but a pretty wretched film all the same.

I try not to watch bad movies... so it's one of the worst I have seen.

Nice landscapes and Elmer Bernstein score. And Wayne is always good. But that's all.