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Title: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 21, 2009, 08:14:41 PM

Quentin Tarantio revealed his TOP 20 favorite spaghetti westerns:

http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Quentin_Tarantino%27s_Top_20_favorite_Spaghetti_Westerns

Quentin Tarantino's favorite Spaghetti Westerns:

1. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
2. For a Few Dollars more
3. Django
4. The Mercenary / A Professional Gun
5. Once Upon a Time in the West
6. A Fistful of Dollars
7. Day of Anger
8. Death Rides a Horse
9. Navajo Joe
10. The Return of Ringo
11. The Big Gundown
12.A Pistol for Ringo
13. The Dirty Outlaws
14. The Great Silence
15. The Grand Duel
16. Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead
17. Tepepa
18. The Ugly Ones
19. Django, Prepare a Coffin
20. Machine Gun Killers

The runners up in not so strict order:

Hellbenders; If you meet Sartana, Pray for your Death; God forgives, I don't; Companeros; Four of the Apocalypse; Ace High; Boot Hill; Duck, You Sucker; Minnesota Clay; Arizona Colt; Ringo and his Golden Pistol; Adios Gringo; and to quote Quentin "all the Calvin Jackson Padget films with Giuliano Gemma" (One Silver Dollar; Fort Yuma Gold; Wanted); The Trinity movies (They Call Me Trinity; Trinity Is Still My Name); This man can't die; The Deserter; Five Man Army; Chino; Requiescant; Red Sun.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 09:09:42 PM


Quentin Tarantino's favorite Spaghetti Westerns:

1. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
2. For a Few Dollars more
3. Django
4. The Mercenary / A Professional Gun
5. Once Upon a Time in the West
6. A Fistful of Dollars
7. Day of Anger
8. Death Rides a Horse
9. Navajo Joe
10. The Return of Ringo
11. The Big Gundown
12.A Pistol for Ringo
13. The Dirty Outlaws
14. The Great Silence
15. The Grand Duel
16. Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead
17. Tepepa
18. The Ugly Ones
19. Django, Prepare a Coffin
20. Machine Gun Killers

The runners up in not so strict order:

Hellbenders; If you meet Sartana, Pray for your Death; God forgives, I don't; Companeros; Four of the Apocalypse; Ace High; Boot Hill; Duck, You Sucker; Minnesota Clay; Arizona Colt; Ringo and his Golden Pistol; Adios Gringo; and to quote Quentin "all the Calvin Jackson Padget films with Giuliano Gemma" (One Silver Dollar; Fort Yuma Gold; Wanted); The Trinity movies (They Call Me Trinity; Trinity Is Still My Name); This man can't die; The Deserter; Five Man Army; Chino; Requiescant; Red Sun.

Saw this on SWDB to.
Thanks for putting it here TB. O0
He sure does make some odd choices for top 20.
Shoot The Living Pray For The Dead is usually seen as one of the worst. I like it but it would never reach even my top 100.
Machine Gun Killers is another odd choice.

Hooray for Grand Duel. At least there is somebody out there who likes this as much as I do!
His Runner up choices are all over the place.
At least two in there are in my all time worst SW list.
And one of them being one of the worst movies I've ever seen, regardless of genre.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on January 21, 2009, 09:22:28 PM

I don't get why OUATITW is on the list. I've never really considered it a spaghetti western. And being on the list, I'd think it be at least number 2 on his list. I know he's a huge fan of it.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 09:27:44 PM
I don't get why OUATITW is on the list. I've never really considered it a spaghetti western. And being on the list, I'd think it be at least number 2 on his list. I know he's a huge fan of it.

I don't approve of his ranking of it but I do approve of it being on that list.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: T.H. on January 21, 2009, 09:59:35 PM
I'm no spag expert, so I'll leave that discussion to you guys.

I don't know what bothers me more: West's inclusion on this list or its ranking.

Chino is an unbelievably terrible movie. QT must be listing every spag. he's ever seen as HMs or he genuinely has poor taste.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 10:27:24 PM


Chino is an unbelievably terrible movie.

That is one of the two I was talking about. Chino is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

QT must be listing every spag. he's ever seen as HMs


The more I read his list the more I'm beginning to believe in your conclusion.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 10:32:38 PM
MACHINE GUN KILLERS is the most perplexing to me. It has a pretty good story but nothing else. My guess he put it on there because he thought the title sounded cool. Other than that, there's at least 50 other SW's that are miles away better than this one. I did a mini review for it here with pics...

http://www.coolasscinema.com/search/label/A%20Fistful%20of%20Spaghetti

What's an HM?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 21, 2009, 10:32:50 PM
Just noticed "Duck, You Sucker" was in the runners up list. It means that QT (who's supposed to be a great Leone fan) ranks it under "Django, Prepare a Coffin" and "A Pistol for Ringo ".
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 10:41:00 PM
Just noticed "Duck, You Sucker" was in the runners up list. It means that QT (who's supposed to be a great Leone fan) ranks it under "Django, Prepare a Coffin" and "A Pistol for Ringo ".


A Pistol For Ringo is a classic, Viva Django is mediocre.

I wouldn't rate either of them higher than DYS.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 21, 2009, 10:43:24 PM

A Pistol For Ringo is a classic, Viva Django is mediocre.

I wouldn't rate either of them higher than DYS.

Yes, i heard A Pistol For Ringo was good, but come on... As we all know (and as you say), it's just not in the same league.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 10:44:38 PM

A Pistol For Ringo is a classic, Viva Django is mediocre.

I wouldn't rate either of them higher than DYS.

I never saw DUCK all the way through. It didn't grab me the first two times. A PISTOL FOR RINGO deserves to be in any top ten list. Another one on there that's odd is THE UGLY ONES. What an awful movie that is.

I asked above and nobody answered, but what's an HM?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Yes, i heard A Pistol For Ringo was good, but come on... As we all know (and as you say), it's just not in the same league.

Agreed. As TH said... The list is just what he's seen.

Anybody who rates the second installment of the Sartana series as the best of the franchise is not to be trusted. Those are my rules. I make em' up and mankind must follow em'.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 10:47:49 PM
Another one on there that's odd is THE UGLY ONES. What an awful movie that is.

I thought it was a heavily flawed character piece but worthy of at least one view.



I asked above and nobody answered, but what's an HM?

I haven't a clue.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 21, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
I haven't a clue.

That's a shame, i was waiting for your answer too...
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
I thought it was a heavily flawed character piece but worthy of at least one view.


I haven't a clue.

A character piece??? We are talking about the boring as all hell Milian movie, right?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 10:52:49 PM

Anybody who rates the second installment of the Sartana series as the best of the franchise is not to be trusted. Those are my rules. I make em' up and mankind must follow em'.

Where do you see the second SARTANA movie? I only the see the first movie listed.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 10:55:47 PM
Where do you see the second SARTANA movie? I only the see the first movie listed.

Whoops. I read it quickly and saw Death was the last word in the title.
I assumed it said I am Sartana, Your Angel Of Death.
I take back what I said then.

Although I could make up a new rule...
 People who don't like Light The Fuse... Sartana Is Coming the best are not to be trusted... :D
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:04:23 PM
These are all odd, at least to me, especially on a top ten list. I couldn't do a top ten for any genre as it would constantly rotate. But these few here would never enter a top ten, IMO.

16. Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead--a curio that's mildly enjoyable
18. The Ugly Ones--awful
19. Django, Prepare a Coffin--good comic style fun, but nothing more. Maybe top 50.
20. Machine Gun Killers--good story but lifeless direction leads it nowhere, IMO. I think he just liked the title.

And these wouldn't even be runner ups for me--

Four of the Apocalypse--a big mess of a movie
Ace High--I liked it, but not as much as the first film
Boot Hill--awful
Minnesota Clay--decently average flick
Five Man Army--so much potential wasted and a flat conclusion
Requiescant--quirky western, but not much appeal outside of of curiosity value

Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: T.H. on January 21, 2009, 11:07:18 PM
HM - honorable mention

back to Chino: I think it also might be one of the worst movies I've seen because there's absolutely zero camp value or entertainment.

some of the worst set designs I've seen as well: baby blue painted walls in a bar? wat?

there are absolutely zero redeeming qualities to that movie, none. I can't believe the guy who directed bad day at black rock had involvement with this movie.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 11:08:08 PM
19. Django, Prepare a Coffin--- Maybe top 50.

Not even


Boot Hill--awful

You finally saw it then?


Five Man Army--so much potential wasted and a flat conclusion

The heist was great though.

Agreed with everything else except , maybe , 4 Of The Apocalypse and Kill And Pray (which I rate very highly).
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 11:09:50 PM
HM - honorable mention

back to Chino: I think it also might be one of the worst movies I've seen because there's absolutely zero camp value or entertainment.

some of the worst set designs I've seen as well: baby blue painted walls in a bar? wat?

there are absolutely zero redeeming qualities to that movie, none. I can't believe the guy who directed bad day at black rock had involvement with this movie.


I put up a thread here ages ago.
I hated it.

The sex scene between Bronson and Ireland intercut with two horses getting it on has got to be the most embarassing thing I've ever seen in a motion picture.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 21, 2009, 11:10:33 PM
The sex scene between Bronson and Ireland intercut with two horses getting it on has got to be the most embarassing thing I've ever seen in a motion picture.

Have you ever seen the sex scene in Munich?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:11:46 PM



You finally saw it then?


I probably saw that movie before you did. ;D Saw it on video tape years back when the Trinity movies were first released to tape. My dad was a huge fan of the Terence Hill western movies.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 11:12:31 PM
Have you ever seen the sex scene in Munic?

Yeah, intercut with people being blown to bits by machine gun fire.

Never thought I'd see that in one of stevey's movies. :D
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:12:38 PM
HM - honorable mention

back to Chino: I think it also might be one of the worst movies I've seen because there's absolutely zero camp value or entertainment.

some of the worst set designs I've seen as well: baby blue painted walls in a bar? wat?

there are absolutely zero redeeming qualities to that movie, none. I can't believe the guy who directed bad day at black rock had involvement with this movie.

Finally! Thank you for the clarification on that!

Haven't seen CHINO yet, but want to because of Bronson's involvement.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 11:13:20 PM
I probably saw that movie before you did. ;D Saw it on video tape years back when the Trinity movies were first released to tape. My dad was a huge fan of the Terence Hill western movies.

Then it's time to get a good copy and watch it again.

I have a feeling I'll rate it higher if I can see it on the ideal transfer.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:16:24 PM

The heist was great though.

Agreed with everything else except , maybe , 4 Of The Apocalypse and Kill And Pray (which I rate very highly).

With a title like FIVE MAN ARMY, you don't go into it expecting a heist. The only thing I liked about this one was how good Graves was here. Didn't expect to like his character as much as I did.

Seeing the venerable, and highly respected Japanese actor, Tetsuro Tamba was a major highlight despite him being silent throughout.

The other two movies I won't be watching again....ever. Maybe I will give KILL & PRAY another look, but not the awful Fulci movie. Watched it twice now and don't get what the fuss is about aside from a couple of gory moments.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: T.H. on January 21, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
Finally! Thank you for the clarification on that!

Haven't seen CHINO yet, but want to because of Bronson's involvement.

Don't do it it. I know you will have seen worse but don't put yourself through this kind of torture.


The sex scene between Bronson and Ireland intercut with two horses getting it on has got to be the most embarassing thing I've ever seen in a motion picture.

lol. sadly it's the best part of the movie.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:17:40 PM
Then it's time to get a good copy and watch it again.

I have a feeling I'll rate it higher if I can see it on the ideal transfer.

Seen the good copy and it's still shit. Whether it's shined up, or straight out the poop chute, it's still shit.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:19:16 PM


The sex scene between Bronson and Ireland intercut with two horses getting it on has got to be the most embarassing thing I've ever seen in a motion picture.

I guess you've never seen GOODBYE, UNCLE TOM (1970), then. ;D
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 11:22:14 PM
Don't do it it. I know you will have seen worse but don't put yourself through this kind of torture.

^
Listen to TH. It's fucking TEDIOUS.

lol. sadly it's the best part of the movie.

I suppose it is novelty enough to be considered a highlight... I mean... where else would you see that?
Uncle Tom's Cabin perhaps?
And no AC, I haven't seen any of the MONDO CANE films.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 21, 2009, 11:24:09 PM
I suppose it is novelty enough to be considered a highlight... I mean... where else would you see that?

Never seen the movie but... according to what you said, couldn't it be in a bad perfume commercial?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 21, 2009, 11:25:20 PM
according to what you said, couldn't it be in a bad parfum commercial?

Perfume?

No, Bronson already made one of those...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV3gA7hNItY
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:26:34 PM
Don't do it it. I know you will have seen worse but don't put yourself through this kind of torture.


lol. sadly it's the best part of the movie.

haha, I still want to see it for Bronson. However, I've never heard a good notice for the picture.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Arizona Colt on January 21, 2009, 11:27:30 PM

And no AC, I haven't seen any of the MONDO CANE films.

It's not a MONDO CANE movie, just made by the same team. There's only two MONDO CANE movies.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 21, 2009, 11:28:56 PM
(i corrected "perfume" in my previous post)

A lot of embarassing performances in that commercial too :)
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: cigar joe on January 22, 2009, 05:52:06 AM
I would agree its probably a list of what he's seen. But that dosn't excuse having DYS as an also mention.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: stanton on January 22, 2009, 06:28:49 AM
I'm somehow sure that he has seen much, much more than these. It's no great problem to do so if you are really interested. I have seen, don't ask me why, about 250 or maybe even 300 SWs since 2005. It was mostly fun and there are much more interesting Spags than I thought there would be then.

QT was and is a fan of these type of films.

Chino for example is far from being a worse film. It's a leisurely made and calm western about the vanishing of the indians. Not a classic of course, but better directed and more intelligent than e.g. Soldier Blue.
Truth is, chino is not exactly a SW, it's an american western by an american director shot in spain.

And Shoot the Living ... is also a good SW made by a not untalented director, who always had to cope with tiny budgets, but made on a simple level rather enjoyable westerns.

QT's list contains the usual amount of classics combined with a few surprises. Like most of the other lists also ,which were compiled for the SWDB by other fans.

So, what?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 22, 2009, 02:56:57 PM

QT was and is a fan of these type of films.



He reads a lot on them but I question the amount he's actually seen...

I wrote this some months back... It highlights my doubts about QT knowing a lot about the movies he claims to be a fan of...




The first Kill Bill movie is an entertaining revenge picture with no ending.
The second is pretty much a snooze fest (granted, there are some very good scenes with or without excellent action/fight scenes) with some of the worst dialogue ever. It was in this movie where I started to notice that he was flubbing in the department that got him into the spotlight in the first place.

This is being generous because both movies are meant to be seen as a whole film.
If I reviewed these two flicks as one whole picture I could only give it a negative review majorily for the pacing problems.


Death Proof is a complete debacle.
50 minutes of nothing but incessant chatter from characters who all think alike and talk alike.
QT's dialogue has become a parody of itself.
It just feels like some dude trying to be the Tarantino of the 90's but failing miserably, and the car chase...

...though good...

doesn't save the movie from being a total fart bomb.

Let me expand on the car chase a little...
 the car chase is good but nowhere near the quality of the car chases it was constantly compared to.
I commend him for not having CGI but just because he did doesn't make him the super master of the world as everybody thinks he is. The first Bourne, which I saw tonight and may I say it is much better than the two shit sequels that follow it, movie actually has a fine car chase with no CGI what so ever. The film preceded QT's chase by 5 years. I didn't remember anybody mentioning that in the reviews. No, the glory goes to Tarantino for making the first car chase without any CGI in "ages".

+, and I know this is an old subject that has been beaten to death but...

The dude practically ripped a bunch of stuff from other car chases that came before it then put it in his little movie.
Remember the scene where Stuntman Mike and the girls are seperated by a large pond and each party looks at each other from across the pond whilst heading for the edge of the body of water so their cars can meet and continue smashing eachother?
That whole segment is directly ripped from a car chase in Special Cop in Action starring Maurizio Merli.
The guy even has the audacity to have the music cue from that scene in THAT movie inserted into his movie in exactly the same way!

All this would be dandy if he would just fess up and say, "hey guys, this is nothing new. Check this movie out".


And might I add that the self proclaimed "trash movie know-it-all" doesn't seem to know a whole lot about the movies he claims to be a fan of. AC will tell you that his commentaries for Kung-Fu movies are constantly riddled with errors. BIG GIANT ERRORS.
To me, he comes off as a guy who is knowledgable enough about these things but not nearly as much as he's letting on.
He knows movie titles. When it comes to start naming the stars of these titles he's lost.



And of course, nobody calls him on it because who wants to watch anything before 1977 that isn't a classy picture?
There is nothing better to have than an ignorant audience (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1309/1409024660_fdc37e661e.jpg) and QT knows it.

Other than that pet peeve I think he's an okay guy. He certainly seems to be in interviews and such.
I guess I can judge for myself when I meet him later in Feb. Pending on his completion of IG.
It's his butt buddy, Robert Rodriguez, whom I've heard is the biggest asshole since Attila The Hun.[/i]
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 22, 2009, 03:05:10 PM
You're gonna meet QT?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 22, 2009, 03:12:09 PM
You're gonna meet QT?

Was. It doesn't seem likely any longer since he pushed back the release date on IG.
He will probably be too busy for it.
Perhaps after its (IG) release we can get him for an interview in the EuroCrime Doc.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 22, 2009, 03:15:28 PM
Could be great. The guy is very interesting (of course you have to "select" real stuffs in what he says) when he speaks about his work.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 22, 2009, 03:18:19 PM
(of course you have to "select" real stuffs in what he says)

We'd probably only have about 15 seconds, out of an hour, of usable footage then.

I told Mike (The director) not to get him because he doesn't know shit and always taints everything with his incessant blabber.
Mike agreed but he said it would make the movie more commercial if he was in it.
I guess I can't argue with that...

remember... http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1309/1409024660_fdc37e661e.jpg

Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 22, 2009, 03:19:39 PM
We'd probably only have about 15 seconds out of an hour of usable footage then.

I told Mike (The director) not to get him because he doesn't know shit and always taints everything with his incessant blabber.
Mike agreed but he said it would make the movie more commercial.

Mike is right. Even for 15s, don't you think?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 22, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
Even for 15s, don't you think?

I'm sorry?

15 year olds?
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: noodles_leone on January 22, 2009, 03:22:02 PM
15 seconds...
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: The Firecracker on January 22, 2009, 03:33:43 PM
15 seconds...

Ah! Yeah I suppose it is worth it.
The only thing we want is his name in the credits.
That will bring the zombies in.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: T.H. on January 22, 2009, 07:39:41 PM
Chino for example is far from being a worse film. It's a leisurely made and calm western about the vanishing of the indians. Not a classic of course, but better directed and more intelligent than e.g. Soldier Blue.
Truth is, chino is not exactly a SW, it's an american western by an american director shot in spain.

that's like saying Manos: The Hands of Fate is metaphor for the breaking down of the traditional american family. Sorry, I don't buy your reasoning at all.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: stanton on January 23, 2009, 02:53:18 AM
that's like saying Manos: The Hands of Fate is metaphor for the breaking down of the traditional american family. Sorry, I don't buy your reasoning at all.

Never heard about this Manos film, but the possibility to interpret Chino in this direction is more than obvious if you watch the film carefully.
What else is the film about? There's not much action, and for a Bronson vehicle the film is also not too typical. Chino is quite unspectacular and I wished they had pruned down the few action scenes even more to barest minimum.

I don't care too much about Chino, cause it's far from being a masterpiece. The film doesn't go to deep into the characters and the acting is only ok at best. But there was the possibility to make a real good western out of the story.
At least it's much better than Sturges 2nd 70s western Joe Kidd.

I have different ideas about worse films.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: stanton on January 23, 2009, 03:09:45 AM
He reads a lot on them but I question the amount he's actually seen...

I wrote this some months back... It highlights my doubts about QT knowing a lot about the movies he claims to be a fan of...




The first Kill Bill movie is an entertaining revenge picture with no ending.
The second is pretty much a snooze fest (granted, there are some very good scenes with or without excellent action/fight scenes) with some of the worst dialogue ever. It was in this movie where I started to notice that he was flubbing in the department that got him into the spotlight in the first place.

This is being generous because both movies are meant to be seen as a whole film.
If I reviewed these two flicks as one whole picture I could only give it a negative review majorily for the pacing problems.


Death Proof is a complete debacle.
50 minutes of nothing but incessant chatter from characters who all think alike and talk alike.
QT's dialogue has become a parody of itself.
It just feels like some dude trying to be the Tarantino of the 90's but failing miserably, and the car chase...

...though good...

doesn't save the movie from being a total fart bomb.

Let me expand on the car chase a little...
 the car chase is good but nowhere near the quality of the car chases it was constantly compared to.
I commend him for not having CGI but just because he did doesn't make him the super master of the world as everybody thinks he is. The first Bourne, which I saw tonight and may I say it is much better than the two shit sequels that follow it, movie actually has a fine car chase with no CGI what so ever. The film preceded QT's chase by 5 years. I didn't remember anybody mentioning that in the reviews. No, the glory goes to Tarantino for making the first car chase without any CGI in "ages".

+, and I know this is an old subject that has been beaten to death but...

The dude practically ripped a bunch of stuff from other car chases that came before it then put it in his little movie.
Remember the scene where Stuntman Mike and the girls are seperated by a large pond and each party looks at each other from across the pond whilst heading for the edge of the body of water so their cars can meet and continue smashing eachother?
That whole segment is directly ripped from a car chase in Special Cop in Action starring Maurizio Merli.
The guy even has the audacity to have the music cue from that scene in THAT movie inserted into his movie in exactly the same way!

All this would be dandy if he would just fess up and say, "hey guys, this is nothing new. Check this movie out".


And might I add that the self proclaimed "trash movie know-it-all" doesn't seem to know a whole lot about the movies he claims to be a fan of. AC will tell you that his commentaries for Kung-Fu movies are constantly riddled with errors. BIG GIANT ERRORS.
To me, he comes off as a guy who is knowledgable enough about these things but not nearly as much as he's letting on.
He knows movie titles. When it comes to start naming the stars of these titles he's lost.



And of course, nobody calls him on it because who wants to watch anything before 1977 that isn't a classy picture?
There is nothing better to have than an ignorant audience (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1309/1409024660_fdc37e661e.jpg) and QT knows it.

Other than that pet peeve I think he's an okay guy. He certainly seems to be in interviews and such.
I guess I can judge for myself when I meet him later in Feb. Pending on his completion of IG.
It's his butt buddy, Robert Rodriguez, whom I've heard is the biggest asshole since Attila The Hun.[/i]

I don't known too much about QT, so that I won't contradict you about QT's film knowledge. I think we are both only talking about suppositions, at least we don't know for sure. But his SW list gives no indication that he hadn't seen much more than this 40 Spags. And even if he hasn't seen more, it's a good enough list which shows the eye of an filmmaker with most of the films of the most cinematic directors (Leone, Corbucci, Collizi) in it, and also some notable films like Face to Face missing.

But I like his films very much and Death Proof was a real pleasure to watch. The car chase isn't too good, at least it was not the best part of the film. This was exactly the 50 min of what you call nothing. And the fun is not only the still fantastic dialogue, but more the way he's presenting these dialogues. Me and my friends, we all enjoyed it very much in the movie theatre. Great fun and very well made.
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Banjo on January 24, 2009, 04:14:41 PM
He reads a lot on them but I question the amount he's actually seen...


I strongly suspect from that selection that they are his entire collection (or what he's seen on tv) as pretty much everything there appears if you type in a "spaghetti western" search on Amazon. ;D
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: pablo113 on February 23, 2009, 05:54:00 PM
Sadly, he didnt have "A Bullet for the General"

AWESOME MOVIE!

Pablo
Title: Re: Quentin Tarantino's Top 20 Spaghetti Westerns
Post by: Groggy on February 23, 2009, 06:55:32 PM
Bullet For the General is pretty mediocre.