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Title: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on April 18, 2009, 03:10:49 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062708/


There are "Westerns" and "Westerns". Every now and then comes a NEW kind of Western. This is "BANDOLERO!"


Well, to tell you the truth it is far from a new kind of western, and it is far from being entertaining. Actually, it seems far from being anything. Starts OK, but then thanks to its 'character development' becomes a cliche and goes nowhere. The characters are so unoriginal it literally hurts. That ''new kind of western'' must be some kind of joke. James Stewart was too old for his ''One day I decided I wanna be a bank robber'' role (60), and so was ''I want me a nice wife and a cottage near a stream'' Dean (50). George Kennedy, who I otherwise like, looked like a jolterhead. He and women, whether they like him or not, just don't go along.


3.25 / 10


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: stanton on April 18, 2009, 05:09:08 AM
Yes, another average Andy McLaglen western.

But this lousy film made more money in the US than The Wild Bunch or the first 2 Dollar films.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on April 18, 2009, 06:01:04 AM
It definietly showed the Spaghetti Western influence, some picaresque touches that are obvious.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on April 18, 2009, 11:01:10 AM
Yes, another average Andy McLaglen western.

I wouldn't call it average, it does not reach that level. Those other he made with John Wayne as the leading man (McLintock, Cahill, Chisum) are fairly average westerns but still way better than this one.

But this lousy film made more money in the US than The Wild Bunch or the first 2 Dollar films.

Really? Didn't know that.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on April 18, 2009, 11:02:44 AM
It definietly showed the Spaghetti Western influence, some picaresque touches that are obvious.

So you agree with the ''new kind of western'' part? :D


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on April 18, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
I pretty much agree. Lame, formulaic and heavily derivative of other films. The shootout at the end is pretty cool though.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on April 18, 2009, 09:02:00 PM
Uh, I must admit I didn't much care for it.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on April 19, 2009, 01:22:32 AM
Just feel a need to throw this out there...

Andy McLaglen is the definition of a hack. Just give his filmography a quick perusal and I doubt you'll disagree. Most of his movies were B-Movie star vehicles with plots blatantly borrowed from or "inspired by" other, more popular and better films. He must have had really good connections to get the actors he worked with (the Duke, Richard Burton, Charlton Heston, Richard Harris, and Stewart, Martin, Welch and Kennedy here).

He started out his career mimicking Ford, by the end of it he'd moved onto aping Peckinpah and Siegel (even directing a sequel to Cross of Iron if memory serves). He made a few passable films but on the whole he was a pretty crap director with no discernable style or ability other than being able to aim a camera at the actors.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: stanton on April 19, 2009, 01:43:21 AM
Just feel a need to throw this out there...

Andy McLaglen is the definition of a hack. Just give his filmography a quick perusal and I doubt you'll disagree. Most of his movies were B-Movie star vehicles with plots blatantly borrowed from or "inspired by" other, more popular and better films. He must have had really good connections to get the actors he worked with (the Duke, Richard Burton, Charlton Heston, Richard Harris, and Stewart, Martin, Welch and Kennedy here).

He started out his career mimicking Ford, by the end of it he'd moved onto aping Peckinpah and Siegel (even directing a sequel to Cross of Iron if memory serves). He made a few passable films but on the whole he was a pretty crap director with no discernable style or ability other than being able to aim a camera at the actors.

True enough.

But I disagree with the above statement about SW influences. I think nearly none of the US westerns of the late 60s and 70 s was influenced by SWs.  Except for most of the Eastwood westerns of course (  but not Hang' em High).
The directors simply ignored the SWs, and even the Leone films weren't as successful  in the states as many people might think (but nonetheless highly profitable for UA).

Bandolero shows only the path the americans went anyway concerning things like cynicism, violence etc.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on April 19, 2009, 01:54:19 AM
I think Peckinpah was probably a bigger influence on American Westerns of that era than Leone, to be honest. There's a clear line, albeit not direct, from Vera Cruz to The Magnificent Seven to The Professionals to The Wild Bunch (not to mention Ford's later Westerns), and all the crap that followed afterwards seems more in the vein of those films than the Spaghettis. Peckinpah may have been influenced by Leone to an extent but I don't think to a huge degree, as his Westerns (at least up to The Ballad of Cable Hogue) seem more like very dark/violent John Ford movies; I think Leone and Corbucchi overstated the case saying otherwise.

Anyway, Leone and Co. didn't invent cynical, violent Westerns, nor did they claim to. They just did them with a new and arguably better style than most of their American counterparts.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2009, 06:12:22 AM
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But I disagree with the above statement about SW influences.

Oh I disagree with that. It definitely has a picaresque SW quality about it especially the whole jail break/bank robbery scenario and I'll add the score seems Spaghetti influenced also.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on April 19, 2009, 03:07:22 PM
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He must have had really good connections to get the actors he worked with (the Duke, Richard Burton, Charlton Heston, Richard Harris, and Stewart, Martin, Welch and Kennedy here).

Yeah, I was thinking about that too.

+

Peck, Moore, Niven, Howard, Douglas, Mitchum, Wydmark, Elam, Leigh...

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He started out his career mimicking Ford, by the end of it he'd moved onto aping Peckinpah and Siegel (even directing a sequel to Cross of Iron if memory serves).

And ''The Dirty Dozen'' and ''Bridge on the River Kwai''!

LOL! What a D-I-R-E-C-T-O-R!



Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 09, 2009, 12:15:52 AM
Mediocre western with some good actors (Dean Martin and James Stewart of course!).
Reminded me a lot of 100 rifles in tone/style and each film has Raquel Welch* as a sultry mexican girl.
Wonder if it was a two picture deal... both films were distributed by Fox and came out a year apart so my assumption could be correct.
Or perhaps that kind of stuff is already a known fact? I don't know.

The downer ending is unexpected but there isn't really anything that stands out here except, maybe , the brother relationship Stewart and Martin share.
Just another American western trying to emulate the Italian westerns that were being released at the time.


Raquel Welch gets the award of having one of the worst lines ever put to film...

"This is the first time I've been in my country since I've left".

She also says "Fuck your mother" in Spanish which was an eye opener as the F-bomb wouldn't become common place in American cinema for another couple of years, no matter what language it's in.


*Unfortunatley she doesn't show much of her body here which is a waste. How can you hire Welch to be in a movie and not ask her to show some skin? She isn't there for her acting abilities.

5/10


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: T.H. on July 09, 2009, 07:05:38 AM
"This is the first time I've been in my country since I've left".

It never gets old.  ;D


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on July 09, 2009, 08:13:36 AM
"This is the first time I've been in my country since I've left".

Put that in a museum, it's art.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: titoli on May 10, 2010, 05:29:38 AM
What is new here it's just the Stewart's "bad" side.  The score (at least the title song) is evidently influenced by Morricone's with the jewish part and the whistle. >Some good scenery. And that's about all. 5\10



Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on May 10, 2010, 06:02:04 PM
It does have some picaresque touches.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on May 12, 2010, 11:30:59 AM
"This is the first time I've been in my country since I've left".

It never gets old.  ;D

Almost as good:

Raquel: You didn't have to do this!
Deano: I didn't do it, he did it! And if he hadn't done it, I would have.

and

George Kennedy: Bishop. You're brothers. Well, listen up, brothers!

and

Raquel: No one will ever know who lies here.
George: Does it matter?
Raquel: Perhaps not.

THE END

 :D


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on May 12, 2010, 12:32:16 PM
It does have some picaresque touches.

Such as?


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on May 12, 2010, 03:44:24 PM
Stewart impersonating the hangman & Stewart stopping to rob the bank on his getaway out of town.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 25, 2011, 03:07:57 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062708/

Just saw "Bandolero!" with James Stewart, Dean Martin, and Raquel Welch. Directed by Andrew V. McLaglen.
 Not a great movie. Some of the early scenes with James Stewart are funny. The movie dies pretty quickly though.

I think Roger Ebert's review of this film is pretty spot-on http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19680819/REVIEWS/808190301/1023


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on February 25, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8285.0 (http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8285.0)


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on February 25, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8285.0 (http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8285.0)

Wasn't in the index for some reason.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 26, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
SPOILER ALERT

here is my analysis of the film:
The early parts with Stewart pretending to be the hangman are pretty funny. But the movie dies as soon as it moves from Texas to Mexico.

I know this is Hollywood, where everything has to be turned into a love story, but Raquel Welch going for Dean Martin after the he killed her husband??! puhleeeez
(I know she said she never really liked her husband anyway, but she did say he was a kind man and it didn't seem that she hated him either).

Also, the bank robbery by Stewart -- while definitely adding some humor as well as adding a little to the plot -- is completely wrong for his character. He is supposed to be the "good brother," constantly lecturing Dean about his actions. Suddenly he just gets the urge to rob a bank? (True, it was the easiest robbery ever; maybe there's a theme there: that everyone,  -- even the "good guys" is really prone to crime, if it is easy enough for them to carry out).

And the final speech by Stewart to Raquel Welch about Dean really being a good boy just completely made me vomit.


I liked at least that there was no fairy tale ending, with everyone living happily ever after.



Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on January 18, 2013, 09:23:49 AM
I tracked down this interview with Mr. McLaglen:

 http://www.boxofficemojo.com/features/?id=2317  (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/features/?id=2317)

According to Andy, everyone in Hollywood was a nice guy to work with. I'm not buying. Maybe that's the secret to McLaglen's success though - he was/is a nice fellow whom actors knew they could push around.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on January 18, 2013, 01:31:07 PM
They did themselves a favor they shouldn't have done to themselves. Irony.


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 06, 2013, 06:46:11 AM
The new Kraut Region-Free Blu-ray gets high marks for image: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Bandolero-Blu-ray/58284/#Review


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 06, 2013, 10:47:14 AM
The new Kraut Region-Free Blu-ray gets high marks for image: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Bandolero-Blu-ray/58284/#Review

Like someone took a beautiful, perfect, gorgeous picture of a pile of horse shit. Wouldn't excite me none


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: Groggy on May 06, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: uncknown on July 16, 2015, 03:45:30 PM
The first 40 or so minutes are quite good indeed.
However, once Stewart reaches Martin's camp it becomes a typical 'aging Hollywood stars ' 60's Western
Also, the score is very good Goldsmith.
brm


Title: Re: Bandolero! (1968)
Post by: uncknown on July 16, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
Yes, another average Andy McLaglen western.

But this lousy film made more money in the US than The Wild Bunch or the first 2 Dollar films.

No, it did not.
BTW never use Variety's film rentals gross as a guide to the DOLLAR films.
UA was notorious for under reporting grosses esp. after Eastwood earned 15 percent of the gross for GBU.