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Title: OUATIA locations
Post by: noodles_leone on May 30, 2009, 05:17:39 AM
A1 left the board... but his work can be found on his (work in progress) website about OUATIA:

http://msb247.awardspace.com/

All the locations he ever posted here, with pictures and eagle views.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: moviesceleton on May 31, 2009, 03:10:44 AM
 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on May 31, 2009, 06:00:13 AM
Wow, great timing, thanks N_L.  O0 I think CJ and I are going to meet up for a OUATIA tour on Tuesday. That info, and those images, will be really helpful.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on June 02, 2009, 07:19:14 PM
Just got back from my trip with CJ to Brooklyn and Williamsburg. Finding the famous view of the Manhattan Bridge was a highlight (good news! the arch is no longer fenced off. There was a downpour and CJ and I were able to take cover beneath it). Williamsburg was a little disappointing: so few of the Leone locations are recognizable. We saw a lot of Orthodox Jews walking around, though: including a modern-day Deborah.

Afterwards CJ and I returned to Manhattan for some refreshment at McSorley's. Great ambience, great ale (both the light and dark are very tasty)--even the food's not bad. This is a place the visitors to NY should always go, regardless of whether they are Leone fans or not.

Of course, it was fun meeting the infamous Cigar Joe in real life. I enjoyed chatting with you very much, CJ. We'll have to do something like this again. Maybe next time we'll go to Queens? Anyway, I propose we establish the NY chapter of the Fraternal Order of Leone and have annual meetings. Any excuse to go back to McSorley's.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 02, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
Sounds good to me  O0

Anybody coming to NYC should contact us & we will definitely take you to McSorley's Old Ale House.

I'll start uploading the images:

The newly re-opened arch

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4106/manhattanbridgearch6020.jpg) (http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manhattanbridgearch6020.jpg)






Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 02, 2009, 10:30:09 PM
Washington St.

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9306/washingtonst2.jpg)

(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9152/washingtonst60209.jpg)

Plymouth & Adams St. RR

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/889/plymouthadamsstrr.jpg)

Adams & John St. Corner

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7607/adamsjohnstcorner.jpg)

Adams & John St. corner looking towards Manhattan

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9296/adamsjohnst2.jpg)

Plymouth St. looking towards Brooklyn Bridge

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5697/brooklynbridge.jpg)

to be continued....


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 02, 2009, 10:44:52 PM
Williamsburg Bridge

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1430/williamsburgbridges6ths.jpg)

Fat Moe's Location 8th & Berry St.

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7879/fatmoeslocation8thberry.jpg)

Noodles Drive Dunham Pl.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9732/noodlesdrivedunhanpl.jpg)

To be continued.....


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 02, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
The best for last

McSorleys Old ale House  O0  O0  O0

DJ at the entrance

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6760/djmcsorleysoldalehouse.jpg)

The front bar

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2818/frontbarmcsorleysoldale.jpg)

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8093/barmcsorleysoldalehouse.jpg)

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7194/frontentrancemcsorleyso.jpg)

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5653/frontroommcsorleysoldal.jpg)

the coal stove

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8568/coalstovemcsorleysoldal.jpg)

back bar detail

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5927/detailmcsorleysoldaleho.jpg)

The Back Room

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7987/mcsorleysoldalehouse3.jpg)

(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/981/mcsorleysoldalehouse.jpg)

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7559/mcsorleysoldalehouse2.jpg)

DJ

(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6679/davejenkinsmcsorleysold.jpg)

DJ

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6679/davejenkinsmcsorleysold.jpg)

CJ

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2792/cigarjoemcsorleysoldale.jpg)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2009, 02:32:07 AM
 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 03, 2009, 06:27:48 AM
We started our trek through Leone World at the Jay Street Station walked to DUMBO found Arch under the Brooklyn anchorage of the Manhattan Bridge, Washington St. one block West gives you the bridge tower view. Adams and John St building is factory site. We then walked around the old Brooklyn Navy Yard to Williamsburg. Fat Moe's was at the corner of Berry and 8th St. in Williamsburg. Max rolls drunk on 6th St. along South Side of Williamsburg Bridge. We ended our Brooklyn trek at the Marcy Ave. Station and rode over the Williamsburg Bridge into Manhattan to finnish off the day at McSorley's Ale House on E. 7th St. in Manhattan.

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3047/dumbowilliamsburg.jpg)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Dust Devil on June 03, 2009, 08:51:52 AM
I didn't know you two are Australians.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
Really nice location photos guys  O0

I'm only 3 hours from NY (I live down in DC) so next time I'm there I'll try to visit some of those places personally. Might have to twist my wife's arm a bit tho...

Do you both live in NY or were you just visiting together?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: moviesceleton on June 03, 2009, 11:09:12 AM
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6679/davejenkinsmcsorleysold.jpg)
A bit like Ed Harris...yes...I can see the resemblance...

Looks like you had a great trip guys O0 I really gotta make up an excuse for a NYC trip and visit those places myself.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 03, 2009, 11:14:05 AM
I'm about 100 miles from the city DJ is closer we just rode our respective trains to Grand Central Station met there then rode the subway to Brooklyn.

It was a hot & humid/rainy day, I dressed accordingly can't help it if we both ended up looking like Aussies, lol


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Dust Devil on June 03, 2009, 11:20:10 AM
It was a hot & humid/rainy day, I dressed accordingly can't help it if we both ended up looking like Aussies, lol

 >:D ;D

Thanks for the photo-report! O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 03, 2009, 04:15:28 PM
Here is 6th Street Williamsburg, the street where we first see Max on the wagon with the Williamsburg Bridge in the background.

(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8848/s6thstrollingthedrunk.jpg)

On the way around the Old Brooklyn Navy Yard we passed this old store front

(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2453/oldstorefrontbrooklyn.jpg)

At Astor Place Subway Station we spotted this newspaper stand located in a disued womens restroom.

(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4560/womensroomnewsstandasto.jpg)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 04, 2009, 06:52:20 AM
DJ & CJ will be starting a "Fat Moe's Tours" of NYC Leone Locations, lol, payment will be rendered at McSorleys Old Ale House.  O0

Quote
Novocento:

I'm only 3 hours from NY (I live down in DC) so next time I'm there I'll try to visit some of those places personally. Might have to twist my wife's arm a bit tho...


We recomend you leave the wife at home.  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Novecento on June 04, 2009, 11:45:59 AM
DJ & CJ will be starting a "Fat Moe's Tours" of NYC Leone Locations, lol, payment will be rendered at McSorleys Old Ale House.  O0
 

We recomend you leave the wife at home.  O0

;D


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Groggy on June 05, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
Now that I know what you guys look like, the fun is gone.

Thanks for the pictures though. O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Pier on June 20, 2009, 03:10:40 PM
Great pics, i didn't know how to reach many of those locations

I'm from Italy (currently in Spain) but i visit NYC once per year, next time maybe we can have a few at mcSorley's  ;D ?



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on June 20, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
Sure thing just let us know, I'm sure one or both of us can make it  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Amaze on June 20, 2009, 07:10:29 PM
cool stuff


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on July 13, 2009, 09:18:59 PM
I had to go to the city with the wife yesterday she went to an audition and I was free to roam around SoHo, NoLiTa, Chinatown, and made a stop at McSorley's lol. Any way I got a shot of these old NYC street lamps on cobble stoned Mercer Street.


(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7283/mercerstreetlampssohosm.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/i/mercerstreetlampssohosm.jpg/)



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: T.H. on July 19, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
Great stuff, guys (this is the first time I've seen the pics). You two could probably kick the entire internets' ass lol.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on December 10, 2010, 03:49:41 AM
If we could get a zoom in on the front of the truck that may help, it looks like an American made truck, would they have had them in Rome or vicinity, I wouldn't think so, it seems it would be cost prohibited to get get one shipped in also.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on December 12, 2010, 06:55:37 AM
There's a classicrefusetrucks.com?  :o


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 26, 2011, 02:01:17 PM
Went with CJ and Drinkanddestroy on a locations tour yesterday, topped off with a viewing of the film at Lincoln Center. We hit Court Square in Queens, then the Hoboken train and ferry terminal in NJ, then wandered around with thousands of our closest friends in DUMBO (there was some kind of street event going on), spent a few minutes in Williamsburg, and then refreshed ourselves before the main event at McSorley's. It was a really fun day and really, really exhausting (except for Hyper Boy, who took all the dashing around in stride).

Once again I have to acknowledge the huge debt we owe to the man known as A1: without his very thorough guide and directions, finding what we were looking for and recognizing it all would have been immensely more difficult and time-consuming. Thank you. Please keep your site (linked to at the top of this thread) up and running forever!


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 26, 2011, 03:08:27 PM
A big thumbs up to A1


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 27, 2011, 06:31:09 AM
The high light of our tour was going where A1 dared not go, we went to Hoboken, NJ and went to the Erie Lackawana RR Terminal/Ferry building, following A1's directions we arrived at the foot of the stairway and encountered a sign. . .


(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10812.jpg)

. . . and me, being an x-New Yorker, d&d a current one, and DJ a recent one, instantly determined that the sign only pertained to PASSENGERS, hell we weren't passengers, were were Cinema Detectives and Leone Archeologists, and we went right up!

To Be Continued.....


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 27, 2011, 12:58:37 PM
yeah, great times. I did my best to keep the old men on their toes.... somehow half the day was spent talking about Groggy ;-)..... anyway, cj is gonna upload the pictures soon, and eventually the videos once we figure out a way to do the transfer..... stay tuned....

they say you learn something new every day, and here are a few things I learned:

a) dj is a mean whistler, as you will see in the vids.
b) and he can put down quite a few McSorley's brews
c) his name really is Dave Jenkins
d) hailing a cab in Lower Manhattan is not easy
e) the volume at the theater at Lincoln Center sucks
f) people will actually go to a Tuesday Weld exhibit.
g) dj HATES walking
h) Groggy is an interesting topic of conversation
i) for two esteemed film geniuses, cj & dj are mighty humble and cool, for agreeing to babysit me on their film tour. Was like Hemingway and Steinbeck had allowed a college kid minoring in Literature to tag along while they were talking business




Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on September 27, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
we went right up in November 2010  ;)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/a1line/hoboken/f1.jpg)

(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6504/1000290uj.jpg)

(http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss120/hgold/hob/p04.jpg)

(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5132/1000289c.jpg)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 27, 2011, 04:15:59 PM
Here is the shot from the film of the locker room area the arrow points to a "post" the one at the top of the stairway, the numbers show the panels between the posts 1 & 2.  So in the film there are two panels between the post and the head of the stairway and the smaller locker room office/access. Currently the large room only has one panel past the head of the stairs.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/Lookerroomillustration.jpg)

Below CJ & DJ at the last "post".

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10805.jpg)

Below the arrow marks the gap between the last post and the current small room within the big room, so apparently the prop man added an extra panel, and a door entrance, or the NJ Transit removed the panel and closed off the doorway.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/addedpannel.jpg)

Below d&d clowning for the Leone Board.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10803.jpg)



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 27, 2011, 05:17:46 PM
in that open space, you can clearly see marks in the floor where that panel of gate once stood. So I would guess that the extra gate panel was once a permanent part of the room, rather than a prop, no? Who knows -- maybe there really used to be lockers there, and once they removed the lockers, there was no point in closing off the area anymore, so they removed that panel of gate. Just a guess -- who knows. (Maybe that can be our next trip: doing some detective work, talking to the station manager or something, finding out the timeline of what was removed when, etc.  ;))

btw, in the movie, the boys do not come up the stairs to the lockers; rather, they go through the door (which is now locked), through the little office, to the lockers. I took some photos through that now-locked door and you can see what looks like an entire former floor of the train station, now closed off. cj will post those photos so you will see what I am talking about


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 27, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Great pics, i didn't know how to reach many of those locations

I'm from Italy (currently in Spain) but i visit NYC once per year, next time maybe we can have a few at mcSorley's  ;D ?



This awesome site will provide you with just about everything you need to tour the OUATIA filming locations http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 28, 2011, 01:20:36 AM
Here is the shot from the film of the locker room area the arrow points to a "post" the one at the top of the stairway, the numbers show the panels between the posts 1 & 2.  So in the film there are two panels between the post and the head of the stairway and the smaller locker room office/access. Currently the large room only has one panel past the head of the stairs.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/Lookerroomillustration.jpg)

Below CJ & DJ at the last "post".

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10805.jpg)

Below the arrow marks the gap between the last post and the current small room within the big room, so apparently the prop man added an extra panel, and a door entrance, or the NJ Transit removed the panel and closed off the doorway.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/addedpannel.jpg)





In the movie, the whole area is closed off; you could not get there unless you went through that office (besides Dominick, who was skinny enough to sneak through -- I probably could have also  ;))

Would you say that in the movie, the gate was the same as it is now (ie. missing the panel). But the wall was closer -- perhaps a new prop wall with a door built specifically as an office for the movie? Or would you say that in the movie, that missing panel of gate was indeed there, so the wall of the office was in the same spot as now, but it was later rebuilt without that door? Cuz that wall currently there does not have a door in the same position as it did on the movie; we checked inside the office as well, and that door is not there. So I am just wondering how you guys think the wall of the office (and the office itself), and the gate, compare from the movie to how it is today?



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 28, 2011, 09:25:43 AM
I don't believe they "closed off the doorway," because that office has no door facing the locker area as there was in the movie; the only door is on the side (ie. on the wall on the left, which can't be seen in the photo, and which is perpendicular to the wall with the bulletin board in the photo). So the office as we see it in the movie, with the wall with the door facing the lockers, must have been a prop made for the movie; or perhaps that was how it actually was when they shot the movie, and then they completely remade the office and put in a new wall sometime during the past 25 years.

 But one thing is certain: the wall that is now facing the locker area (which today has the bulletin board on it) NEVER had a door. We even went inside the office to check; there was no door, nor any sign of a door that had been removed. ( I wish I had taken photos inside the office; that is something I gotta remember for next time). So that wall with the door facing the locker area is absolutely a different wall than the one that's there today


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 28, 2011, 09:54:04 AM
OK here are some images from the highlights of the Location Tour:

Court House Square in Long Island City :

CJ outside Sheriffs office

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10793.jpg)

DJ & CJ outside Sheriffs office

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10796.jpg)

Hoboken, NJ (locker room site)

d&d & DJ outside Lackawana RR/Ferry Terminal, Hoboken NJ

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/LackawanaRRTerminalHobokenNJ.jpg)

interior of waiting room

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/LackawanaWaitingRoom.jpg)

Looking from locker room site down the stairway

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/stairtolockerroom-1.jpg)

the room beyond the locker room

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10809.jpg)

DUMBO (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge) (Street Fair & cobblestone re construction going on)

d&d, cj & dj on Washington Street.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/ddcjdj.jpg)

Iconic image & our re creation, lol

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/OUTIA.jpg)

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/SDC10839_2.jpg)



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 28, 2011, 10:00:14 AM
Oooooh, sepia toned! O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 28, 2011, 10:05:14 AM
Leone Location Tour 2011

DUMBO Continued.....


The Arch in 2011 with Leoneologists  Dr. CJ & Dr. DJ ( the conversation ---- CJ "I Concur",  DJ "indubitably")

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/DrCJDrDJLeoneologists.jpg)

The warehouse by the Brooklyn waterfront with Montague St. ad still visible.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/Warehouse.jpg)

Street fair crowd

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/streetfairDumbo.jpg)




Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on September 28, 2011, 10:51:52 AM
c) his name really is Dave Jenkins
Practicing your lawyering skills already, D&D?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 28, 2011, 11:37:45 AM
Practicing your lawyering skills already, D&D?


O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 28, 2011, 03:57:52 PM
Now we bring you the video, Sergio Leone OUTIA Location Tour Greater NYC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC12Gp-r1g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC12Gp-r1g4)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 28, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Now we bring you the video, Sergio Leone OUTIA Location Tour Greater NYC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNBjiy9lAIs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNBjiy9lAIs)

nice job, cj!  O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 28, 2011, 05:07:02 PM
not quite I spelled Morricone wrong the first go round its fixed now  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: moviesceleton on September 29, 2011, 12:55:50 AM
Awesome O0 Looks like you guys had a good time.

I hope I can make a trip to NYC in a couple of years. Lets meet up then.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 29, 2011, 09:55:36 PM
Yea we'll do it again, we'll have the route down better,  and we have to allow more time for McSorelys, it seemed to rushed at the end because we had to get to Lincoln Center for the film.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 30, 2011, 12:21:31 PM
Thanks for the interesting information  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on September 30, 2011, 05:16:12 PM
just to make it more comprehensible... hopefully

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2097/hoboken.jpg)


maybe in this way it's better

(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4945/hoboken2.jpg)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 01, 2011, 07:25:58 PM
not quite I spelled Morricone wrong  :'(

you also misspelled "Locations"  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2011, 03:15:09 AM
you also misspelled "Locations"  ;)

I can fix it and put it back up its up again here  O0:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC12Gp-r1g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC12Gp-r1g4)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 02, 2011, 05:23:20 AM
I can fix it and put it back up  O0

you are the Professor  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 02, 2011, 05:32:48 AM
Thanks pippo O0

I've been trying to find some architectural plans but without much success. I have however found a lot of graphical images and pdf files. Not had chance to read the pdfs yet but I was thinking of getting an overhead image form google or bing, cutting out the roof and inserting plans of the various rooms. Should be fairly easy and the skylights should enable it to be fairly accurate.

e.g.

(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb338/once2/hoboken/hobplan.jpg)


RE: the picture that cj posted, which he entitled  "the room beyond the locker room."  was taken through the window of the (locked) door that separates the room at the top of the Stairs -- ie. the room with the and "Lockers" and offices -- and the room marked the  "Long Hall." As the diagram here shows, at the top of the stairs is a room; on the right side of the room is the locker area and some offices. Directly across from the stairs is a door that leads to the Long Hall; the photo was taken through the window of that door.

So through the window in that door, we can see that area you call the "Long Hall." Looked to me like another Waiting Room, identical to the one downstairs.

(In the movie, we see the boys walk through that very door, before going through the offices to the lockers. Those offices are still functioning NJ Transit offices).

Next time we do the tour, perhaps we should try to contact the station manager to try to get special access to that upstairs terminal, ie. "The Long Hall"  ;)

btw, the area around the station is a pretty interesting one: directly across from the station is a very nice grassy area; there are great views of Manhattan, and on the surrounding streets, there are some really cool old signs There's an old cobblestone street with trolley lines, and some nice bars. It's not a bad place to spend a little time (pre-gaming for McSorley's ;)

(UPDATE:  In this post, I initially mistakenly wrote that the picture cj posted (with the caption "the room beyond the locker room") was taken through the window of the door separating the "Waiting Room" and the "Long Hall." That was incorrect; the door actually separates the room at the top of the stairs (with the offices and lockers) with the Long Hall. I have now updated this post to reflect the correct information; sorry to anyone that was confused by my initial post. The post is now correct  :) )


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2011, 06:20:41 AM
you are the Professor  ;)

new version is uploading as I type.
 
I had to use windows movie maker for it because I can use a slow zoom feature, I used to be able to use Ulead Video Studio but some update seemed to screw up that slow zoom feature (I still used it for the fly (scroll) on the opening and closing titles) Ulead seems to make higher quality Youtubes. I also have Adobe Premier Elements but it doesn't seem to have the zoom. I also have the complete Adobe Premier but it seems to be disabled by an update also.  :-[


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 02, 2011, 06:37:06 AM
new version is uploading as I type.
 
I had to use windows movie maker for it because I can use a slow zoom feature, I used to be able to use Ulead Video Studio but some update seemed to screw up that slow zoom feature (I still used it for the fly (scroll) on the opening and closing titles) Ulead seems to make higher quality Youtubes. I also have Adobe Premier Elements but it doesn't seem to have the zoom. I also have the complete Adobe Premier but it seems to be disabled by an update also.  :-[

you know this is French to me


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2011, 06:48:38 AM
you know this is French to me

Yea but its up now once again new address is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC12Gp-r1g4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC12Gp-r1g4)



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2011, 06:54:09 AM
Thanks pippo O0

I've been trying to find some architectural plans but without much success. I have however found a lot of graphical images and pdf files. Not had chance to read the pdfs yet but I was thinking of getting an overhead image form google or bing, cutting out the roof and inserting plans of the various rooms. Should be fairly easy and the skylights should enable it to be fairly accurate.

e.g.

(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb338/once2/hoboken/hobplan.jpg)


Nice Thanks. O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2011, 02:20:31 PM
I didn't take the image though,  d&d did,  here is the location from where he took it.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/hobplanwithddphotoinfo.jpg)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on October 02, 2011, 02:31:44 PM
None of you guys asked about Sergio during your "visiting" at McSorley's ?

I did, and it went like this...

We visited McSorley's in the morning of a day of november 2010, coming from Hoboken Rail Station (my previous photos), so, after observing all the stuff hanged on the walls, I started talking to the man in white shirt behind the counter, visible in the pictures below, and I said: "Excuse me sir, how long have you been workin' here ?"

and he said: "me ?  oh... more than thirty years"

and I: "have you ever heard of Mr Leone, the movie director ?"

and he: "Yeah... Sergio... of course... "

and I: "really ?  what do you remember about him ? "

and he: "Sergio went crazy for one of our sandwiches... and he used to say one day or another I will shoot a movie inside here... and he did"

and I: "he did... what a great movie OUATIA"

and he:"great movie... something to drink ?"

and I: "yes sir, please give us a couple of beers... "

and we went almost drunk... terrific morning that day of november in NYC

My suggestion ?   TRY YOURSELF !!!

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6184/1000295t.jpg)

(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4919/1000297z.jpg)

(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7097/1000306x.jpg)

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2291/1000308c.jpg)

sorry for the low quality of the images... that's the clue we were almost (maybe totally) drunk, but very very happy


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 02, 2011, 06:32:51 PM
I didn't take the image though,  d&d did,  here is the location from where he took it.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/hobplanwithddphotoinfo.jpg)

Once: I am sorry I misspoke in my previous message, and for confusing you; and I thank cigar joe for his correction/elucidation in the diagram above:

I initially said that the photo was taken "through the window of the door separating the Waiting Room and the Long Hall." That is incorrect. What i should have said is that "the photo was taken through the window of the door separating the room on top of the stairs (ie. the room with the lockers and offices), and the Long Hall."
(and I have now edited my previous post accordingly, to state the correct location).

cj's markings on the map above is correct: the photo was indeed taken through the window of the door that separates the room marked "Stairs/Lockers" and the room marked "Long Hall."


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 02, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
Here are the video clips of  cj & dj touring the OUATIA locations, narrated by me.

pt. 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l1bYQN9gPU

pt. 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3eBXG2qQl8

pt. 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQp4RZC6w6s

pt. 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oknss_n6VWk

Enjoy  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on October 03, 2011, 07:47:30 AM
Nice videos d&d  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on October 03, 2011, 01:57:56 PM
Pippo: I am sorry I misspoke in my previous message, and confusing you;

it wasn't me, Once got confused...


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 03, 2011, 03:20:56 PM
it wasn't me, Once got confused...

you are correct, it was Once who was "baffled." (I guess I got a little confused there myself). I updated my previous post, changing "Pippo" to "Once."

Thanks for your contributions, and welcome to the board  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on October 03, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
glad to be of some help, I thank you all for the precious information I found, and still continue to find, in this board


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 03, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
glad to be of some help, I thank you all for the precious information I found, and still continue to find, in this board

No doubt! This board is the awesomest place in the world  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 21, 2011, 09:14:28 AM
You are right it does look very similar, especially that electrical conduit pipe on the corner on the left side, my only question, why bother changing the windows on the existing building, it would have worked as is with just the sign change, its not as if somebody other than us is really going to say I saw that in OUTIA.  ???


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 21, 2011, 09:07:58 PM
Let's assume for the moment that it is the same building:  Two questions:                      

A) Do you know whether or not the building was/is in use or abandoned, both in 1983 (when OUATIA was filmed) and now?

B) Do you know for certain that all the locations used in Boardwalk Empire are in the NY-area? (I am just wondering if perhaps it is possible that the building is indeed in Montreal, and Boardwalk Empirejust shot exteriors there, eg. with a second unit)?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 21, 2011, 09:12:01 PM
Let's assume for the moment that it is the same building:  Two questions:                       A) Do you know whether or not the building was/is in use or abandoned, both in 1983 (when OUATIA was filmed) and now?
      B) Do you know for certain that all the locations used in Boardwalk Empire are in the NY-area? (I am just wondering if perhaps it is possible that the building is indeed in Montreal, and Boardwalk Empirejust shot exteriors there, eg. with a second unit)?

IMDb lists all of Boardwalk Empire's locations, all are within the NYC area. I'm thinking it may be near Steiner Studios in the Old Navy Yard.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 21, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
cj: if I ever used imdb as a citation, you'd smack me down. and rightfully so ;-)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 21, 2011, 11:02:17 PM
cj: if I ever used imdb as a citation, you'd smack me down. and rightfully so ;-)

WTF else are you gonna use, you got something better  ^-^

I was trying to get google street view to work for Steiner Studios in the Navy Yard  then I would have cruised around and looked, but it wouldn't finish loading  :'(


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 22, 2011, 02:49:39 AM
WTF else are you gonna use, you got something better  ^-^

I was trying to get google street view to work for Steiner Studios in the Navy Yard  then I would have cruised around and looked, but it wouldn't finish loading  :'(

what does the "AZN" face mean? it's kinda cute


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 22, 2011, 02:57:16 AM
I thought the "NYS Reformatory For Boys" building was in Montreal but after watching Boardwalk Empire, I'm not sure.


(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb338/once2/prison/1.jpg)


(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb338/once2/prison/2.jpg)


Some of the windows and other features have changed but it looks the same building as the "Atlantic City Armory" in a recent episode of Boardwalk Empire.
William Forsythe (Cockeye) is also in the series.


(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb338/once2/prison/3.jpg)


(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb338/once2/prison/4.jpg)


Short video at YouTube comparing the two locations:


http://youtu.be/62JkMNvi2EI (http://youtu.be/62JkMNvi2EI)


If it is in Brooklyn or Queens it could possibly be another place on the tour.


I don't see how the two shots could be showing the same building:

A) in the OUATIA shots, there are 3 columns of windows side by side.
 in the BE shots, there are 2 columns of windows, with a brick column between the columns of windows.

B) The door/gate in the BE shots is much lower;
 in the OUATIA shots, the metal gate goes much higher than the brick is in the BE shots.

(maybe you can argue that it's a diff. side of the same building. But I don't see how it could be the same exact shot, unless in the last 25 years, they added brick columns between the windows, and lowered the doorway by adding more brick to the top of it. Doesn't seem like it would make much sense to do that...).


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 22, 2011, 05:13:08 AM
I suppose it could be the same architectural firm that tweeked the same design for two buildings, (much like New York City Public School buildings sort of all look the same) but that electrical conduit pipe looks exactly the same for something as random as that and as once's detail photos show the weather stain on the stone blocks even looks exactly the same.  8)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 22, 2011, 06:26:19 AM
btw, I have never seen any episodes of Boardwalk Empire yet. Should I be watching it?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 22, 2011, 06:47:50 AM
I don't get HBO but it looks promising I usually watch HBO stuff on DVD :'(


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on November 22, 2011, 06:55:02 AM
Another question I'd ask is, Has the Boardwalk Empire stuff been CGI'd?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 22, 2011, 06:56:56 AM
I don't get HBO but it looks promising I usually watch HBO stuff on DVD :'(

I don't have HBO. But if I hear it's good, I'll rent the dvd's from Netflix  :)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 22, 2011, 08:17:53 AM
I don't have HBO. But if I hear it's good, I'll rent the dvd's from Netflix  :)

That's what I do too, I don't know if its out on DVD yet I think it just started last year.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 22, 2011, 08:22:19 AM
Another question I'd ask is, Has the Boardwalk Empire stuff been CGI'd?

Why bother its like I said nobody is is going to slap their head and say hell I already saw THAT building in OUTIA.  ;D


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: moviesceleton on November 22, 2011, 01:51:49 PM
Why bother its like I said nobody is is going to slap their head and say hell I already saw THAT building in OUTIA.  ;D
What if it really is the same building but the alterations have been done digitally?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 22, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
What if it really is the same building but the alterations have been done digitally?

Still it looks perfectly OK no? Why even bother, why spend money to CGI something like that, unless the CGI costs less than hanging a different sign over the entrance. I'm no expert on it.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 23, 2011, 03:49:05 AM
Nice Pics thanks, they are doing quite a bit with CGI then anyway so a bit of tweeking on the building would be easy.

BTY there is supposed to be a Film Noir that is based on a boardwalk gangster called appropriate enough "The Gangster" (1947) starring Barry Sullivan, ever here of it?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 23, 2011, 04:28:07 AM
Thanks cj.  Not heard of The Gangster (1947) but I'll check it out.

I have followed your Film Noir reviews with interest and have looked at quite a few of the movies you have recommended.  Great job. O0



Its not available (The Gangster) here, that is why I mentioned it, its supposed to be pretty good, I've been try to track it down.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 23, 2011, 10:26:16 AM
I didn't think it was, must be because I always check Netflix first, usually that have everything, thanks O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 23, 2011, 11:59:36 AM
I didn't think it was, must be because I always check Netflix first, usually that have everything, thanks O0 O0 O0

Netflix certainly does not have everything. I recently had to buy 4 dvd's cuz they were unavailable from Netflix (Nevada Smith, The Tin Star, Champion, and Detective Story).


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on November 23, 2011, 12:18:02 PM
Netflix certainly does not have everything. I recently had to buy 4 dvd's cuz they were unavailable from Netflix (Nevada Smith, The Tin Star, Champion, and Detective Story).

I guess not, and THAT kind of sucks, if its out on DVD they SHOULD offer it.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 23, 2011, 12:56:45 PM
yeah, if a dvd is unavailable from Netflix, my next option is to rent it from iTunes. But unfortunatley, those 4 were all unavailable as iTunes rentals either  (Champion was unavailable at all, Nevada Smith and Tin Star and I believe Detective Story were only available for purchase (which is $9.99 each). it is usually not worthwhile to purchase a download from iTunes, considering that the dvd's are usually available for about that price anyway. So I bought 'em on dvd: CHAMPION ($9.55), NEVADA SMITH ($16.35), and THE TIN STAR ($8.56) (all prices include shipping; some on eBay some on Amazon, some new some used). I believe DETECTIVE STORY was also in the ten-dollar range.... that's my life: rent dvd's from Netflix; if something is unavailable, then rent it from iTunes (usually $2.99 for old movies); if it's unavailable there as well and I am REALLY REALLY interested in it, buy the dvd on Amazon or eBay if it's cheap :-)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Groggy on November 26, 2011, 09:12:04 PM
somehow half the day was spent talking about Groggy

:(


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 26, 2011, 09:14:43 PM
:(

it's true; watch the vids.

p.s. you shoulda been there. Then THE WHOLE day coulda been spent talkin about you  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Groggy on November 26, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
Well, those videos are awesome, but not for that reason. O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 26, 2011, 09:37:26 PM
Well, those videos are awesome, but not for that reason. O0

the old men said you once posted a pic of yourself and your girlfriend, and that titoli commented that she looked like your sister -- a comment that had dj cracking up like hell every time he recalled it, which must have been at least 5 times throughout the day  ;D


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on November 27, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
Well, it was titoli's only funny joke ever, so it has to be savored.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Groggy on November 27, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
His comment re: you and Noah Webster gave me a few chuckles.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 07, 2011, 02:20:11 AM
I've searched these boards for that picture, and cj & dj searched for me as well, but none of us could find it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not take it down after you guys split, but rather it's just due to our awful search engine that I couldn't find it.

What I am trying to say is....


I WANNA SEE THE PIC!  :-*


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on December 07, 2011, 04:31:38 AM
Ask Grogy to re-post it  >:D


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 07, 2011, 11:48:59 AM
Ask Grogy to re-post it  >:D

ummmmm.... that is exactly what I just did....  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 07, 2011, 08:58:18 PM
Alright Groggy, the people have spoken: The picture, please....


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on September 17, 2012, 08:01:17 AM
Season 3 of Boardwalk Empire premiered last night on HBO and Brainstorm Digital, who do the visual effects, have posted a new video showing some of the effects from Season 2.

http://vimeo.com/34678075 (http://vimeo.com/34678075)

Part of the video briefly shows how modified images of The Boys Reformatory in Once Upon A Time In America were changed to The Atlantic City Armory in Boardwalk Empire.

The interiors of The Atlantic City Armory scenes were filmed at Fort Wadsworth Staten Island but Fort Wadsworth's exteriors as shown above were unsuitable.

Jean-Pierre Ruh, sound engineer on OUATIA, has commented on the sound problems with doing The Boys Reformatory scene. One side of the scene is filmed in Main Street Brooklyn and the other side the exterior of a prison in Montreal Canada.

http://www.forgottensilver.net/2012/05/18/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique-interview-de-jean-pierre-ruh/ (http://www.forgottensilver.net/2012/05/18/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique-interview-de-jean-pierre-ruh/)

    


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 17, 2012, 06:39:02 PM
 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 30, 2012, 03:43:02 AM
we had a discussion about this a while back, initiated by the board member ONCE. He said the buildings looked similar (but we saw some important differences also) so this CGi explains it; he was correct.

Unfortunately, he left the boards a while ago, deactivated his account and deleted all of his posts (many of which contained terrific information, featuring lots of research).


that old discussion starts here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8376.msg152337#msg152337 (unfortunately, it looks rificulous cuz ONCE's posts, which initiated the discussion, are gone!)


I bet ONCE still snooping around here; perhaps he's signed on with another name.

Anyway, if anyone else ever decides to leave the boards, please have the courtesy of leaving your account active so that the previous conversations don't get screwed up  ;)




Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on September 30, 2012, 04:45:04 AM
we had a discussion about this a while back, initiated by the board member ONCE. He said the buildings looked similar (but we saw some important differences also) so this CGi explains it; he was correct.

Unfortunately, he left the boards a while ago, deactivated his account and deleted all of his posts (many of which contained terrific information, featuring lots of research).


that old discussion starts here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8376.msg152337#msg152337 (unfortunately, it looks rificulous cuz ONCE's posts, which initiated the discussion, are gone!)


I bet ONCE still snooping around here; perhaps he's signed on with another name.

Anyway, if anyone else ever decides to leave the boards, please have the courtesy of leaving your account active so that the previous conversations don't get screwed up  ;)



  he probably gonna start his own web site


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on December 16, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
I GOT IT https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Taaffe+Lofts&hl=en&ll=40.698361,-73.960827&spn=0.000006,0.00327&fb=1&hq=Taaffe+Place&cid=15814177277645244969&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.698379,-73.960696&panoid=Nv4nmg019j6imDjFE1Qylg&cbp=12,163.61,,0,-7.89
 :D ;D ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on December 16, 2013, 12:10:29 PM
waiting for you guys from new york to go visiting and reporting about it with pictures and more
look forward to read  from you

ps how did I find it from Italy ?  Simple, just Google "new york red brick and stone buildings" images


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on December 16, 2013, 08:20:41 PM
cool.  O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 16, 2013, 11:55:50 PM
great job, pippo  O0 O0 O0 O0

if you compare that Google Maps street view image to the screen caps from OUATIA a few pages back on this thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8376.60

you can tell, it's nearly 100% certain that this is indeed the building they used.


Somebody should email A1 about this, cuz he got it wrong. On his fantastic site http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm click "Filming Locations" on the top left corner, then click "Montreal," and he says that the scene where "Noodles Goes to a Reformatory for Boys" was filmed in Montreal. Well, he is wrong about that.

I don't see any contact info for him on his website, but I know he used to be on these boards and I figger some of y'all may have contact with him; if any of you do, definitely let him know about this so he can update his site.


Again, great job pippo  O0 O0 O0

DJ, you gotta add this to the paper clip  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 17, 2013, 12:10:28 AM
I did some Googling as pippo suggested and found a site which is dedicated to looking at old buildings in Williamsbur; it's probably te site that led Pippo to this building: here is the site http://forgotten-ny.com/2009/01/i-kent-explain-a-brooklyn-waterfront-avenue/

scroll down near the bottom, it talks about this building (and shows a picture from the other side)

so, this building is on the square block between Kent Ave., Taaffe Place, Little Nassau Street, and Flushing Ave. in Williamsburg. This entrance is on Kent Ave.

We gotta add it to the Leone NYC Locations tour   :)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on December 17, 2013, 02:22:15 AM
Great find pippo.   O0  O0  O0

I've been looking for this for years.  Everyone, including Frayling and the sound engineer on OUATIA, Jean-Pierre Ruh, said it was in Montreal.  
There are several old prisons and government buildings in Montreal with stone features and one is now a restaurant.

Some more info on the building in Flushing Avenue:

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/12/building-of-the-day-350-flushing-avenue/ (http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/12/building-of-the-day-350-flushing-avenue/)


Built in 1903-4, in the architectural style of a Medieval Fortress
Originally owned by the Street Cleaning Dept. Depot, now Department of Sanitation/ Dept. of Environmental Protection
Bedford Stuyvesant Neighborhood  

Architect: Warren & Wetmore, the same Beaux-Arts firm that gave us Grand Central Terminal, the NY Yacht Club and the Helmsley Building.


The NYS Reformatory for Boys In Once Upon A Time In America filmed in 1982
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w494/chris5522/prison/1a_zps572642f6.jpg~original)


The Atlantic City Armory (CGI modified) from a 2011 episode (S02E08) of Boardwalk Empire
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w494/chris5522/prison/2a_zps579ec527.jpg~original)


Recent street view on Google - approx. 2012
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w494/chris5522/prison/3a_zps1dfe43ec.jpg~original)

  


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: pippo on December 19, 2013, 09:35:02 AM
great job, pippo  O0 O0 O0 O0

if you compare that Google Maps street view image to the screen caps from OUATIA a few pages back on this thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8376.60

you can tell, it's nearly 100% certain that this is indeed the building they used.


Somebody should email A1 about this, cuz he got it wrong. On his fantastic site http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm click "Filming Locations" on the top left corner, then click "Montreal," and he says that the scene where "Noodles Goes to a Reformatory for Boys" was filmed in Montreal. Well, he is wrong about that.

I don't see any contact info for him on his website, but I know he used to be on these boards and I figger some of y'all may have contact with him; if any of you do, definitely let him know about this so he can update his site.


Again, great job pippo  O0 O0 O0

DJ, you gotta add this to the paper clip  ;)

I did (secretary@onceuponatimeinamerica.net) and this is the result, take a look http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm (they used your informations here http://msb247.awardspace.com/loc/11brook.htm, and I thank you all)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 19, 2013, 05:25:01 PM
I did (secretary@onceuponatimeinamerica.net) and this is the result, take a look http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm (they used your informations here http://msb247.awardspace.com/loc/11brook.htm, and I thank you all)

nice job, pippo.

If you're in the mood of emailing him again, you can tell him that while his website has separate sections for "Brooklyn" and "Williamsburg," Williamsburg is in fact a neighborhood in Brooklyn. What he should do is split it up between "Williamsburg" and "DUMBO" - because I believe all the non-Williamsburg locations in Brooklyn are in DUMBO. Anyway, I am pretty sure this location of the reformatory is in Williamsburg, but he mistakenly put it in the "Brooklyn" section....


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 01, 2016, 12:11:56 PM
According to Frayling (STDWD p.452) the scene where Noodles is locked up in a prison was filmed in Montreal Canada.  As posted previously, the Department of Sanitation & Environmental Protection building in Flushing Avenue Brooklyn represents the NYS Reformatory For Boys and the Long Island City Court in Court Square Queens represents the Prison.

What may have added to the confusion are statements by Jean-Pierre Ruh sound engineer on Once Upon a Time in America.  He said that Leone made plans sometimes taking as reference a prison wall in Montreal, the counter shot being filmed in the city center.

http://www.forgottensilver.net/2012/05/18/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique-interview-de-jean-pierre-ruh/ (http://www.forgottensilver.net/2012/05/18/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique-interview-de-jean-pierre-ruh/)

Tonino Delli Colli has commented that Leone often wanted and sometimes needed to film a scene in two different locations.  An obvious example is Noodles entering a Reformatory for Boys in Flushing Avenue Brooklyn whilst his friends watch from Main Street Dumbo.

Delli Colli: "The scene where Noodles picks up Deborah with the limousine is shot in part in Montreal : the exterior of the theatre is under the front roof of a hotel, but campo was in Montreal and controcampo in New York! Campo and controcampo mean, in Italian film language, the direction of the camera "vision". With campo you look at the actor, with controcampo you see the opposite side, that is what the actor would see from his point of view, at 180 degrees from campo. Now, imagine..campo in Montreal and controcampo in New York... and the light must be the same!

One more example: policeman Aiello walks down the stairs, campo in Montreal and controcampo in New York! This was the case whenever the architecture around us did not allow to have campo and controcampo shot in one location. We had situations where, shooting campo, we were surrounded by period buildings, but turning around (controcampo) there was a hypermodern bank of glass and steel. This forced me to keep most precise records of all shooting conditions and the lighting involved, to make the blending of the separate takes possible at all. The scene where the balloons pop out of the water was not shot in N.Y. but in Venice, another lighting problem I had to take care of. Leone seemed to get a special craze and enjoyment in this locations fragmentation, it was as if he would exploit his fantasy world to an extremum."

http://wconnolly.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=delli+colli (http://wconnolly.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=delli+colli)

According to Delli Colli they shot 300,000 meters of film for the movie and editing took 6 months whilst Jean-Pierre Ruh said that in its first version, the movie lasted six hours fifteen minutes (375 mins) and would have to go out in two parts. Jean-Pierre Ruh very much liked this version of 2 x 3 hours.

Probably the most famous prison in Montreal is the Bordeaux Prison

  


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on March 02, 2016, 03:45:20 AM
Nice work  O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 02, 2016, 05:46:45 AM
Newspaper article from the Montreal Gazette dated 1st October 1982 regarding Leone/crew filming scenes for OUATIA around Montreal 😉👍

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19821001&id=YBQvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LqUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2736,119179&hl=en


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 02, 2016, 07:15:02 AM
Thanks for the link LITTLE BIG MAN.   O0

Some interesting stuff and I'll have a look at some of the other Montreal locations mentioned.  It should fill in a few gaps in the locations guide.

There's some photos regarding Leone and Montreal in the following blog - about 1/3 of the way down.  

http://monnomestpersonne1973.blogspot.co.uk/2015_02_01_archive.html (http://monnomestpersonne1973.blogspot.co.uk/2015_02_01_archive.html)

One of the Italian newspaper articles shown in the blog indicates that the version shown at Cannes in 1984 had a running time of 220 minutes,  agreeing with the details in the May 1984 issue of Cahiers du Cinema.

  


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 02, 2016, 08:14:50 AM
Sterling work Chris on finding the prison & great photos too😉👍
The photo you posted of the guy walking through the Archway of the prison - I've got a photo of Leone & crew members walking through the same arch - I'll dig it out and post it soon👍
Ps I visited the Brasserie Julien in Paris at Xmas (deleted scene Grand Central Train station buffet/Elizabeth McGovern)  - had a nice meal, spoke to staff and took a few photos - I'll post them too when I get the chance😉👍


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 02, 2016, 10:54:22 AM
Sounds great.   O0   O0   O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 02, 2016, 11:05:07 AM


https://associazioneladolcevita.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/z-anni-80-f13.jpg



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 02, 2016, 11:14:56 AM
http://archiviofoto.unita.it/index.php?valorernd=2&pagina=0&codset=SPE&cod=9077&pg=0#foto_3


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 03, 2016, 04:37:04 AM
http://archiviofoto.unita.it/index.php?valorernd=2&pagina=0&codset=SPE&cod=9077&pg=0#foto_3

https://associazioneladolcevita.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/z-anni-80-f13.jpg

Amazing stuff.  Some great photos I've not seen before.   O0  O0  O0

 


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 03, 2016, 05:21:18 AM
Chris scroll down on link - more great Montreal behind the scenes photos from the Montreal shoot of OUATIA😉👍

http://backtothemovieposters.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique.html?m=1

Might be an idea for somebody to post all these new photos on the rare photos thread - sorry not great at this kind of thing☹️


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 04, 2016, 03:39:15 AM
Thanks for the links   O0   O0   O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: Groggy on March 04, 2016, 08:53:30 AM
Great job, everyone! This is an awesome thread. O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 05, 2016, 04:26:01 AM
In the Montreal Gazette article the French seaside town of "Biarritz" was mentioned as a location - I found this really interesting as this was the first time I'd heard this location mentioned.  In Frayling's book the filming schedule (June 1982 - March/April 1983) is listed as follows: Rome, Paris, Venice, Rome, Canada, New Jersey, Florida, New York, Rome, Venice, Lake Como, Rome.  I wonder if this location was abandoned at some point in the schedule?  The town of Biarritz in the 1920's was known as the "Queen Of Resorts and Resort Of Kings" it attracted the rich & famous including movie stars, gangsters and politicians.
The most famous landmark in the resort town is the  "Hotel Du Palais" -  Built in 1855 by Napoleon III for his wife Eugenie De Montigo - over the years guests have included Coco Chanel, Ernest Hemingway, Ava Gardner & Frank Sinatra.  I've posted some links to the hotel & photos.  Was this hotel which has a grand ballroom and would have looked perfect for a 1930's internal location maybe have been considered for the restaurant/dance scene with De Niro/McGovern and then it was decided to shoot both the beach & restaurant scenes at the Hotel Excelsior/Lido Venice?



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 05, 2016, 04:39:20 AM
http://www.hotel-du-palais.com/#evenements/grandes_occasions

http://www.hotel-du-palais.com/#pays-basque

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hôtel_du_Palais


http://www.hotelexcelsiorvenezia.com/en/weddings/wedding-reception/sala-stucchi.html







Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 05, 2016, 09:59:37 AM
I'll have a look at Biarritz in due course.

A simpler matter is the scene where Danny Aiello walks down the steps in front of a building representing New York's Police HQ 10th precinct.

According to the Montreal Gazette this was filmed at the old Ecole Des Hautes Etudes Commerciales of the Université de Montreal in Rue Saint-Denis.



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 05, 2016, 05:10:39 PM
Great stuff  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 06, 2016, 03:15:56 AM
Hats off again to you Chris - great work 😉👍


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 06, 2016, 03:50:02 AM
Chris to assist you I'm sure "Old Truck/Bootlegged Liquor" Victoria Square  is where Noodles (1933) looks at the three dead bodies on the street & St.Patrick street is where "Jimmy O' Donnell" is shot in the leg (not Noodles) think they made a mistake.

The three dead bodies/burnt out bootleg truck is going to be very tough to location to match, scene was brief, shot at night and raining - but good luck😉👍



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 06, 2016, 07:19:29 AM
There's a memorable scene in the movie where Richard Bright as Chicken Joe wildly shoots a machine gun from the window of a speeding car and Jimmy (Treat Williams) is shot in the leg.

This was filmed in Montreal in the areas around Alexandra Quay, Rue Normand heading towards the Royal Bank Tower and possibly Rue St Patrick.



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 06, 2016, 12:11:46 PM
Yes that's the street where the car speeds away from Chris but is it where Jimmy/Treat Williams actually is shot?  Personally I don't think it is - but stand corrected if wrong😊


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 06, 2016, 01:54:45 PM
Yes that's the street where the car speeds away from Chris but is it where Jimmy/Treat Williams actually is shot?  Personally I don't think it is - but stand corrected if wrong😊

No you're right of course and it's probable that Jimmy O'Donnell was shot in the leg in Rue St Patrick.  However this street is approx 11 Km or 6.8 miles long.

I've not yet pinpointed the exact spot - it may be impossible - and there are the problems of campo and controcampo views as described by Tonino Delli Colli and creative editing.

Most of the filming of the car in which Chicken Joe is travelling is in the areas around Alexandra Quay, Rue Normand heading towards the Royal Bank Tower and possibly parts of Rue St Patrick.

At present this is about as close as I can get.

  


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on March 06, 2016, 02:39:15 PM
I'm stoked! CJ and D&D: when are we going to Montreal?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 06, 2016, 02:41:28 PM
There could be a much as three locations in the Jimmy/Treat Williams drive by shooting Chris (so complex) the close up of Jimmy on the phone with a smoking chimney in the background too -  it can be like looking for a needle in a haystack at times Chris - I'll keep doing some research at my end - the torching of the newsstand by the kids was also shot in Montreal (maybe with a reverse in NY) I've seen a great set photo that may help to pin the location down a bit for you - will report back when got something😉👍


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 06, 2016, 02:54:17 PM
Dave maybe Chris & I could come too - as tour guides?😂😂😂😂😂


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on March 06, 2016, 03:30:22 PM
I'm stoked! CJ and D&D: when are we going to Montreal?

Only about 500+ miles North of us.  O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 07, 2016, 07:27:16 AM
The background may well be from the bottom of the buildings in Rue Normand in which case the car may have driven down the street more than once, different camera viewpoints used and some editing.



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 07, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
http://leslievillepicker.tumblr.com/post/117471586680/bobbys-restaurant-montreal-canada-1985

Chris this photo of a 1980's Montreal restaurant is very near the location where Jimmy Is shot by Chicken Joe - Bobby's is most probably no longer in business but the building is quite distinctive & if you look closely there is an industrial factory building nearby (those also could be grain silos attached to the building) the smoking chimney in the background when Jimmy makes the phone call could be part of that factory as could the distinctive long white (low level) building that can be seen when Joe's car speeds around the corner😉👍



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 07, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
I would definitely be down to do a trip to Montreal. Unfortunately. I don't think I will be able to take a couple of days off work right now, but perhaps in a couple of months.

If you guys are able to take the time to go, don't wait for me  ;)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 07, 2016, 12:52:48 PM
I would love to go during the Jazz or comedy festivals D&D - location scouting by day & painting the town red at night😉👍

Anyway back to business: 1920's Montreal newsstand scene - the photo attached Chris distinctive arches on the building with a hanging sign that looks like it's written in French (can't quite make it out) at first I thought it said Massages! ;D ;D ;D
Those two female extras when the kids look through the wall at the stand on fire I'm sure you see them both😉👍


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 07, 2016, 12:55:03 PM
Oops here's the photo ::)

http://www.fondazionecsc.it/mostre_photo_detail.jsp?area=6&ID_LINK=244&page=26&IDCTX=4417&id_context=4417


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 07, 2016, 12:58:41 PM
Oh and Fourth from bottom on left row - will get there eventually ::)


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 07, 2016, 01:58:52 PM
Montreal three dead bodies/crashed bootleg truck location: on your YouTube video Chris when the firemen place the body on the ground you can see the name "Richardson Exporters & No Parking" - when Noodles suddenly appears in the crown there is another piece of writing but I think it may just be the word Ambulance (makes sense). This is quite a large open area location & large enough to get a big rain machine into which I'm sure was used for this scene - so Victoria Square could be a good shout O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 08, 2016, 05:00:35 AM
Ok found the area in Montreal where the kids set fire to the newsstand: 451 St.Pierre Street Montreal - this matches the building in the photo of Leone & crew - there is an area directly across from this building (wasteland) where the kids watched the newsstand burning - their building/viewpoint may have been destroyed since the scene was shot.  In Chris's YouTube video of the scene you can also see the street number 449 (twice) - Chris could you supply some photos of the area?
Thanks again O0
 


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 08, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
Wow LITTLE BIG MAN!  Well done.   O0   O0   O0  

The name on the sign is Murrays Restaurant but you've solved it anyway.



Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 08, 2016, 09:55:45 AM
Several of the maps and aerial views previously posted have the location of Rue St Pierre and Rue des Recollets

Certainly an area Leone used frequently - Rue St Pierre, Rue Le Moyne, Rue St Nicholas and Rue du St Sacrement - it wouldn't surprise me if the burning bodies scene was filmed near here and there are several empty areas large enough to accommodate the scene.

Apart from the hospital interiors one of the few items left in the Montreal Gazette article is the Imperial Theatre. We know that, for the production, extras were decked out with evening clothes imported from Italy and filming went through until 5 a.m. the next morning. This was probably the 1930s Busby Berkeley Routine scene with the interior being filmed in the Imperial and the exterior, where Noodles meets Deborah to take her to a fancy restaurant, outside an old hotel in New York.

  


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 08, 2016, 11:42:00 AM
Chris fantastic photos/work again O0
We make a great team 8)
Murray's Restaurant ;D
And here was me thinking it might have been a Massage Parlour ;D

The photo of the restaurant you posted is the same one - the photo was in my book and I was able to make out its name - in the photo Jimmy is fleeing from the telephone box as the car speeds around the corner & is about to open fire.  Hopefully we can pin the location down soon.  The bodies on the street is going to be a tough nut to crack - I'm going to have a look at my Blu Ray copy as the images in HD might show up a bit better.  There is also a photo in the book of De Niro sitting in the Montreal Theare (black bow tie /evening wear) 1933 as he watches Deborah on stage (Busby Berkley) with lots of extras in full 30's costumes.  The exterior shot of De Niro &  Milchan (chauffeur) waiting for Deborah - like you I always assumed this was a NY hotel but Milchan is on record saying that he flew from Paris to Montreal to shoot the scene - there was a bit of a dispute between Leone & Milchan regarding the role of the chauffer and Leone only gave the go ahead at the last minute after De Niro had intervened on behalf  Milchan.  The internal Montreal hospital scene location you are looking for is for the scene where De Niro enters the lift after the meeting with Sharky & exits the lift and is met by Max in the lobby (Joe Pesci in background) the other hospital scenes were shot at Cinecitta as far as I know - but I'll check that.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 08, 2016, 12:38:13 PM
Part of a post by drinkanddestroy on Mar 14 2011:

... on p. 456 of STDWD, Frayling cites Ted Kurdyla, the NY production liason for the film...

"we shot the interior of the theatre in Montreal; the exterior of the theatre was actually an old hotel in New York; the drive was through northern New Jersey..." (Id. at 451).

I've recently seen a couple of documentaries on the movie and either Delli Colli or a guy involved with the movie also mentioned that the exterior of the theater was an old hotel in New York.  I've not had the opportunity of viewing the  Busby Berkeley scene but perhaps Leone wanted Milchan in the background in the lobby of the Imperial Theater etc.

I've looked for Quebec's Bureau de surveillance (Censor Board) old Montreal but perhaps they've moved or something.  The lobby of this is supposed to be quite impressive.

The only building I've found is Régie du cinéma 390, rue Notre-Dame O, bureau 100  Montréal (Québec) H2Y 1T9  (reduced mobility :  455, rue Sainte-Hélène  Montréal) and this building is far from impressive.  In any event I may find it difficult to find photos of the interior for comparison with a still from the movie.

As you say it's reported that the other hospital scenes were shot at Cinecitta.

 


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 08, 2016, 01:46:52 PM
I'll try and find the quote from A Milchan - it may be that he was mistaken - it was over 30 years ago after all?
Chris these documentaries you mentioned - is there any chance you could post them on the OUATIA forum?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on March 08, 2016, 03:23:14 PM
Where was the feather/down factory scene shot. And the one with the old boats on dry land, were those around Montreal also?


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 08, 2016, 04:35:06 PM
Where was the feather/down factory scene shot. And the one with the old boats on dry land, were those around Montreal also?

I vaguely recall hearing somewhere that the feather factory was a real feather factory in use when the movie was being shot, I think in Brooklyn.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 09, 2016, 01:10:29 AM
From Frayling's book: The scene where Joe (Burt Young) is shot in the eye was filmed at "Trois Rivieres" near Quebec, as was the car driving off the pier  O0

This was Carlo Simi's (production designer) favourite location for OUATIA - " St. Lawrence river seems like the ocean and where the road is lined with the carcasses of rotting boats".

Also from book: The feather factory was a real working feather factory near 8th street (Brooklyn).


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: cigar joe on March 09, 2016, 03:26:24 AM
thanks.   O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 09, 2016, 05:17:43 AM

Small article on OUATIA shooting at Trois Rivieres O0

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19820924&id=QH8xAAAAIBAJ&sjid=C6UFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2792,1193009&hl=en


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 09, 2016, 05:50:41 AM
I've now received the following response from Harry Halyk regarding the photo of Bobby's Restaurant:

"To the best of my knowledge and Google Maps, it was located on the SE corner of Wellington and Peel. I do remember them filming the movie and the large bridge (Brooklyn Bridge) they constructed in Old Montreal, which I believe ended up not being used in the film. Regards, Harry."

Seems a helpful response but I couldn't help wonder if my chain was being yanked a bit.




Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: dave jenkins on March 09, 2016, 06:51:41 AM
I would love to go during the Jazz or comedy festivals D&D - location scouting by day & painting the town red at night😉👍

When is that? I'd love to go.

Guys, again, fantastic job!


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 09, 2016, 10:03:02 AM
Jazz festival June 26th - July 5th
Comedy festival (Just For Laughs) also July - I'd be up for 2017 O0

Chris that's fantastic - the Rue Normand building is exactly where Jimmy runs from the phone booth (on street corner) matched it with my book photo - the restaurant is just down from that building.

Chris see if you can come up with some photos for the  Trois Rivieres Boat Marina on Saint Quentin Island - I'm pretty certain this is the Montreal location where the car goes off the pier/jetty & guys end up in the river - I've seen a photo of Woods, Forsythe & Hayden in the water filming this scene and it's the same location as the Marina - the whole area has been cleaned up - no rotting old boats (that I can see) and the Jetty probably looks different now O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 10, 2016, 05:40:24 AM
Chris see if you can come up with some photos for the  Trois Rivieres Boat Marina on Saint Quentin Island - I'm pretty certain this is the Montreal location where the car goes off the pier/jetty & guys end up in the river - I've seen a photo of Woods, Forsythe & Hayden in the water filming this scene and it's the same location as the Marina - the whole area has been cleaned up - no rotting old boats (that I can see) and the Jetty probably looks different now  O0

I've had a look around the area but neither Bing nor Google are particularly helpful.  The Montreal Gazette mentioned driving the car into a lake rather than a river and I wondered if this was significant. Where the St Lawrence River gets wider there seems to be an area called Lac-Saint-Pierre but again Bing and Google aren't much use. The only additional information I can come up with at present is that the bucket of the dredger near where the gang go swimming in a car has the make esco on it.

 


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 10, 2016, 08:44:41 AM
Chris I think I might have found this location - will do a further bit of research and if it's correct I'll post the info for you O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 10, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
http://tugfax1.rssing.com/chan-8304477/all_p9.html

Chris is you scroll down about half way you'll see a section on old tug boat wrecks that were scattered around the Louisville area near Trois  Rivieras - unfortunately it looks like the boats were scrapped in 1996 but there is info on the location and a dredging/marine construction company O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 10, 2016, 11:34:51 AM
Also the Capt. TW Morrison looks kinda familiar from the movie O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 10, 2016, 12:56:00 PM
Fantastic stuff LITTLE BIG MAN   O0   O0   O0

From the link:

In Louiseville, QC, there was a significant collection of old tugs, dredges and barges waiting to be scrapped for years.

Leading the line up of old tugs was Capt. T.W.Morrison, followed by Jean Simard and Glenvalley

Capt. T.W.Morrison dated from 1907 and the yard of Pusey and Jones in Wilmington, DE where it was built for the US Army's Quartermaster Dept. In 1923 National Dredge+Dock Co of Quebec bought the tug and in 1939 it went to Marine Industries Ltd of Sorel. They converted it to diesel in 1957 with two V-12 GMs, totaling 590 bhp. Richelieu Dredging acquired the tug in 1972 and in 1976 it was sold to Paul-Émile Caron of Louiseville for scrap. During its entire career the tug maintained its original US military name. However it was not until 1996 that scrapping actually took place. By then the ravages of time had taken their toll.

Jean Simard dated from 1914 when it was built by the Canadian Government Shipyard in Sorel, QC for the Minister of Marine. A that time the Ministry, precursor of the Department of Transport, maintained the navigation channels in the St.Lawrence with a large dredging fleet, including tugs. Carrying the name Deschaillons until 1960. When acquired by Marine Industries Ltd they renamed it after a member of the owners' family. It was built with twin screws, 450 shp and a 1200 gpm Merryweather pump, which could be used for firefighting, but was also employed for washing down dredges and scows.
MIL installed a 680 bhp diesel engine, and it also moved through Richelieu Dredging ownership in 1972 to P-E Caron in 1976 and was finally scrapped in 1996.


Glenvalley came from the Canadian Dredge+Dock shipyard in Kingston, ON in 1945 as one of the many Glen class tugs built for the Royal Canadian Navy. Almost immediately declared surplus, it was sold to MIL in 1946. From its layup in Shelburne, NS it sailed in May 1946 for Sorel, but made at least one more trip back for a surplus scrap tow to Sorel. Its original 400 bhp Enterprise engine may have served it to the end. It followed the path of its fleetmates tugs through Richelieu to Caron. A plan to sink it as a dive site fell through and it was broken up in 1996.




Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 10, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
Yeah Chris 8)
This thread is starting to really hot up O0


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 21, 2016, 11:16:56 AM
Chris that's fantastic - the Rue Normand building is exactly where Jimmy runs from the phone booth (on street corner) matched it with my book photo - the restaurant is just down from that building.

Yes.


Some magazine articles quote possible additional locations of Biarritz and Hong Kong.  Perhaps they were once considered but I've so far not found any evidence that these locations were used.  I'll post some info on Bellagio in due course.

  


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 21, 2016, 06:25:30 PM
As I recall, in STDWD, Frayling says that there was initially supposed to be a scene (it is in the long script, which has been floating around here and on A1's site) of Noodles walking around in Chinatown on the last night of Prohibition (I think he is supposed to be walking to the opium den, after seeing his friends killed). You see all these drunken partiers in the street. (I think this may have come right after the last scene in 1968, with the lights of the 1930's car with the kids partying.) Noodles was walking through the streets of Chinatown as everyone is celebrating the last night of Prohibition. Ever-ambitious, Leone wanted to film this scene in Hong Kong. I don't know if the scene was ever filmed (my guess is that it was, as this scene is in the longer script we've seen), but I am pretty certain nothing was filmed in Hong Kong. Again, everything I write here is what I recall reading in STDWD.


Title: Re: OUATIA locations
Post by: chris on March 22, 2016, 04:54:25 AM
  
Bellagio


There's some confusion about this location.  One viewer thinks that a scene in the movie was filmed at the Bellagio hotel in Las Vegas and several websites state that the Lungolago di Bellagio Europa (Bellagio's Europa lakefront) was used for a famous scene where Noodles and Deborah walk by the ocean.


The following site seems nearer the truth with the Lungolago di Bellagio Europa (Bellagio's Europa lakefront) representing the car park adjoining Secretary Bailey's mansion.
  
http://www.viaggiare.it/it/speciali/landing/como_english/movie_locations.html (http://www.viaggiare.it/it/speciali/landing/como_english/movie_locations.html)

It's difficult to pinpoint the exact location but the surface of the ground and lines of trees look similar.


Bellagio and Lake Como have been used in movies for many years. Examples include

Star Wars Episode II
Casino Royale (2006)
Ocean's Twelve
Rocco and His Brothers
Hitchcock's The Pleasure Garden (1925)
Roger Corman's Frankenstein Unbound
Sidney Pollack's Bobby Deerfield
John Irvin's A Month By The Lake
Nunziante's What A Beautiful day
Taviani Brothers' Allònsanfan
Risi's A Difficult Life
Lizzani's The Last Days Of Mussolini

I think George Clooney still has a villa in the region and he and Robert De Niro are said to be regular visitors.