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Title: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Groggy on June 04, 2009, 07:12:25 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8083479.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8083479.stm)

I can't think of much I've seen him in aside from The Long Riders, but that's still sad news.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Dust Devil on June 04, 2009, 10:23:22 AM
He was in Boxcar Bertha, The Long Riders, Death Race 2000, Bound for Glory, The Serpent's Egg, Kill Bill, the Kung Fu TV series, etc. He was sort of flying under radar; known face but never really got the chance to do something big, totally disappeared in the 80s until Tarantino reinvented him for Kill Bill. Can't say I was his biggest fan but thought he can act.

He was great in TLR.



Hanged himself? That's sad whatever one does for living.


R.I.P.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: T.H. on June 04, 2009, 10:45:00 AM
He was great in the long riders and bound for glory. rip. very sad news.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: cigar joe on June 04, 2009, 10:55:13 AM
Yes RIP
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2009, 12:28:16 PM
Well, the hanging could have been to get an erection, and then he blew it. It's happened before.

Grogs, how can you forget Kill Bill 2? And I certainly enjoyed seeing him in Crank 2. Guess he won't be showing up in Crank 3 . . .
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Groggy on June 04, 2009, 03:02:06 PM
What do you mean "forget", Jinkies? I haven't seen it.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: T.H. on June 04, 2009, 03:19:37 PM
Well, the hanging could have been to get an erection, and then he blew it. It's happened before.

I think it was auto-erotic asphyxiation.

I don't know if I trust this site but:

http://1stnews.org/542/david-carradine-death-not-suicide/ (http://1stnews.org/542/david-carradine-death-not-suicide/)

terrible.

Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
I think it was auto-erotic asphyxiation.
Well, yeah. The lack of oxygen produces a more powerful erection.

Wikipedia has an article on just this topic, with a list of famous tossers-who-took-it-too-far:

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Famous cases

The composer Frantisek Kotzwara died from erotic asphyxiation in 1791, probably the first recorded case.

Sada Abe killed her lover, Kichizo Ishida, through erotic asphyxiation in 1936, proceeding to cut off his testicles and carry them in her handbag for a number of days. The case caused a sensation in 1930s Japan and has remained one of the most famous Japanese murder cases of all time.

Stage and screen actor Albert Dekker was found in 1968 with his body graffitized and a noose around his neck in his bathroom.

The artist Vaughn Bodé died from this cause in 1975.

The death in 1994 of Stephen Milligan, the British Conservative MP for Eastleigh, was a case of autoerotic asphyxiation combined with self-bondage.[22]

Kevin Gilbert, a songwriter, musician, composer, producer and collaborator died of apparent autoerotic asphyxiation in 1996.[23]

Michael Hutchence, lead singer of INXS is rumored to have died from auto-erotic asphyxiation in 1997, although suicide was the official cause of death.[24]

A more recent case is the death in 2004 of the British National Front party member Kristian Etchells.[25]

On March 28, 2007, the New York Times had a front-page story on a teenager who had suffered a heart attack and spent three days in a coma after hanging himself for a "rush".[26], in what appeared to be an instance of a choking game.

Herceg v. Hustler. Diane Herceg sued Hustler Magazine for the death of her 14 year old son, Troy D., who had experimented with autoerotic asphyxia after reading about it in that publication. [27]

In 2009, a coroner ruled that English stand-up comedian Martin Cassidy died from asphyxia due to breathing laughing gas while watching pornography on his laptop computer.[28]

Also in 2009, the BBC reported that David Carradine was found dead in a Bangkok hotel room. The BBC reported that "Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found naked by a hotel maid in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck and genitals." The article was later updated to read "with a cord around his neck and other parts of his body." [29]
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Groggy on June 04, 2009, 04:01:58 PM
The story of Albert Dekker's (Harrigan the railroad detective in The Wild Bunch) death is quite bizarre. From his Wikipedia page:

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On May 5, 1968, Dekker was found dead in his Hollywood home by his fiancée Geraldine Saunders after failing to answer numerous phone calls for two days. He was found naked, kneeling in his bathtub with a noose wrapped around his neck that was looped around the shower's curtain rod. He was also handcuffed, blindfolded, and had sexually explicit words scrawled on his body in red lipstick. There were no signs of forced entry, but money and camera equipment were missing from Dekker's home.

He was interred at Garden State Crematory in North Bergen, New Jersey.

Despite many theories, including reports that Dekker was a closet homosexual and was accidentally killed by a male hustler, his death was ruled accidental. The coroner theorized that Dekker had engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation and accidentally killed himself. Dekker's friends denied that he was a homosexual and insisted he wasn't known to participate in such acts.
There was an article I read somewhere that went into great detail about his death but I can't remember what site it was on.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: cigar joe on June 04, 2009, 04:14:02 PM
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The artist Vaughn Bodé died from this cause in 1975.

So that's what happened to Cheech Wizard.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2009, 04:17:41 PM
You never knew? Man, that case was famous back in the day. That's when I first heard about this dangerous practice.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Whalestoe on June 04, 2009, 04:29:11 PM
Damn, sucks that Carradine's dead, but that is a hilariously good way to die.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: T.H. on June 04, 2009, 04:57:25 PM
Well, yeah. The lack of oxygen produces a more powerful erection.

I was just confirming your original post. I am unfortunately aware of this practice, a teen from my neighborhood died from it when I was very young, which I heard about much later. I don't know how anyone can risk their life for a larger erection, just doesn't make any sense to me.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: PowerRR on June 04, 2009, 07:50:30 PM
I don't know how anyone can risk their life for a larger erection, just doesn't make any sense to me.
You're missing out
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: T.H. on June 04, 2009, 08:44:37 PM
I knew you would spring up for this discussion.

lol

Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: moviesceleton on June 05, 2009, 01:40:47 AM
Damn, sucks that Carradine's dead, but that is a hilariously good way to die.
Word.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Dust Devil on June 05, 2009, 06:06:43 AM
What a shitty and embarrassing way to end your life, his family must be going nuts. Suicide probably wasn't on his mind but still, what is a 70+ year old man doing alone in a hotel room exploring exotic methods to jerk off? I'd somehow try to understand if he was with someone, but alone? Man, what a bummer.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Jill on June 05, 2009, 11:50:11 AM
RIP Bill...  :'( You deserved something better...

I liked him as an actor.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2009, 12:58:27 PM
What a shitty and embarrassing way to end your life, his family must be going nuts. Suicide probably wasn't on his mind but still, what is a 70+ year old man doing alone in a hotel room exploring exotic methods to jerk off? I'd somehow try to understand if he was with someone, but alone? Man, what a bummer.
Well, maybe someone else was there, but when things went wrong she/he/it took off. I'm not saying this is likely, just putting it out as a possibility. And who knows what a 72 year-old-man needs in order to get it up? Maybe he was philosophically opposed to viagra and wanted to get an erection in a more traditional way.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: moviesceleton on June 05, 2009, 01:04:03 PM
Well, maybe someone else was there, but when things went wrong she/he/it took off. I'm not saying this is likely, just putting it out as a possibility. And who knows what a 72 year-old-man needs in order to get it up? Maybe he was philosophically opposed to viagra and wanted to get an erection in a more traditional way.
Thanks for the info but this is not a shrink's sofa.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Groggy on June 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM
RR Power is probably reading over this thread and taking careful notes for the future.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: PowerRR on June 06, 2009, 01:17:10 PM
Very...careful...
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: uncknown on June 06, 2009, 02:03:16 PM
KUNG FU is one of the ten greatest shows ever!
AND IT'S A WESTERN

RIP grasshopper
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: titoli on June 07, 2009, 04:25:02 AM
It seems like me and him had a problem in common after all:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525192,00.html
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: The Firecracker on June 07, 2009, 04:51:13 AM
It was a rough year for him


Really? The man had like 9 projects lined up for this year...

This sounds like the papers are trying to PC what really happened to comply with Carradine's families'/publicists threats.
Guess you can't have a public figure die in an embarassing way.

R.I.P

Jinkies... is it worth risking your life over? Tell me.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: dave jenkins on June 07, 2009, 06:15:07 AM
No.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: columba on June 07, 2009, 08:36:03 AM
his family must be going nuts.

Think more appropriate to him in the circumstances! ;D

Very sad though - may his next life be a good one.
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Jill on June 07, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
He should've died like he did as Bill - now that was stylish and elegant.  :(
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: dave jenkins on June 07, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Interesting tribute (at Big Hollywood):

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David Carradine: Bound for Glory

Posted By John Nolte On June 4, 2009 @ 6:03 pm In Entertainment | No Comments

Many artists long for one thing above all else and that’s a kind of immortality. They long to create or to be a part of something that will live on past them - that will live on for as long as there’s a civilization and maybe beyond. David Carradine achieved that early in a long career. Perhaps, too early.

A look at  Carradine’s resume is a look at an actor who loved to work, relentlessly searched out paychecks, or both. My guess is that genetics might have played a part. His old man, John Carradine, has a list of credits longer than the end titles of a Michael Bay movie.

There are stories about David Carradine. Plenty of them. And if today’s reports prove true — if he indeed did hang himself in some Bangkok hotel room, well, obviously there was some bad news, personal demons, or a toxic mixture of both. Whatever it was, I’m not interested in hearing the story or passing it along. Unless it’s in self-defense, demystifying movie stars borders on the profane in this house.

Whatever it was, I hope he’s found peace.

And I hope that in life he found some peace in knowing he had achieved artistic immortality playing Woody Guthrie in Hal Ashby’s 1976 “Bound for Glory,” one of the finest bio-pics ever produced, thanks mainly to Carradine’s Oscar-worthy performance. (He did win a Golden Globe.)

At 147 minutes, “Bound for Glory” must’ve looked awfully difficult to pull off on paper. Essentially, it’s a character study covering just a few years in the life of a complicated, difficult, and frequently unlikable man. Thanks to Ashby’s direction, the best of his career, and Haskell Wexler’s Oscar-winning cinematography, “Glory” hits in all the places an actor can’t, but this is also the kind of film where the central performance can make or break, and Carradine makes it, and then some.

Thanks to a real screen presence and a quiet, understated performance, Carradine carries the film all on his own thin, angular frame. He inhabits most every scene and quickly makes you forget all that “Grasshopper” stuff. His Woody Guthrie is mostly silent but always fascinating; conflicted by ambitions and a loathing for what it takes to fulfill them, he’s willing to risk death in order to rouse the working man to stand up for himself, but can’t summon the everyday decency to remain faithful to his own wife. And that’s Carradine singing the songs and playing the guitar, but not one note is impersonation, just pure performance.



Though nominated for Best Picture, “Bound for Glory” got a little lost when released, probably because it was made about five years too late. This is a 1971 film, not 1976 — the year of “Rocky” — the year before everything would change with “Star Wars.” But thanks to DVD and some love on Turner Classic Movies, “Glory” has enjoyed a bit of revival these past few years, an appreciation I think will continue to grow until the film receives a wider recognition for the timeless classic it is.

Certainly it helps that Wexler’s photography created one of the five most beautiful color films of the last thirty-five years, but having first seen it only last year, I can tell you it’s Carradine’s work that lingers long after the fade. After decades of seeing him as the guy who made an odd television show in the seventies, this one performance changed my perception entirely.

David Carradine was a great actor capable of great art and an integral part of something that will be appreciated and enjoyed long after TMZ and the like have had their fun.

I've never seen Bound For Glory, but it looks like I'll have to check it out now . . .
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: PowerRR on June 07, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
He should've died like he did as Bill - now that was stylish and elegant.  :(
this isnt?
Title: Re: RIP David Carradine
Post by: Whalestoe on June 07, 2009, 05:26:08 PM
this isnt?

Real talk.