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Title: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: titoli on August 26, 2009, 04:24:26 AM
A must-see. I don't know if it makes a top ten, but easily  top twenty. Garfield says that if Brennan's award winning performance is memorable is also thanx to Cooper. I don't think so. But what i striking about it is its modernity. Brennan goes around in suspenders and woolshirt, unshaved (reminded me of Robards in Cable Hogue)  and is not completely rational. More of a SW character than classic AW. Cooper is great but it is Brennan who gives the scenes the salt. 9\10


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: cigar joe on August 26, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Agreed very good  O0


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: T.H. on August 27, 2009, 03:05:26 PM
I don't know if I'd rate it that highly, but it's definitely very good and I completely agree with your assessment of Brennan's performance. 


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 27, 2009, 05:28:13 PM
Brennan is good, Cooper is absolutely hopeless. The final showdown in the concert hall is inventive. 5/10.


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: mike siegel on August 28, 2009, 04:50:45 AM
Haven't seen it in ages. Loved it back then though. Willi Wyler is one of the best.

My favorite scene was the early morning awakening in the saloon I remember. Impeccable.


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 24, 2009, 09:57:20 PM
Now streaming on Hulu: http://www.hulu.com/watch/116305/the-westerner

UPDATE: Pulled. You missed your chance.


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 20, 2012, 09:08:14 PM
Just saw this movie; it is a gem 9/10, what a great performance by Walter Brennan, who won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor

This post will contain spoilers


I didn't like the extensive use of rear projections. I guess I can accept it in the scenes with the fire raging, but wtf do they need to use rear projections in the scene where Cooper is just sitting with the girl and looking out over the field? Or when they are standing over her father's grave? I don't know if there is anything in all of cinema that I hate more than rear projections; I guess there's no choice in instances like the fire but otherwise they irritate the hell out of me.


also, I didn't like how tenderly Cooper treats Brennan at  the end. In middle, maybe he thinks Brennan has actually reformed. But once we get to the end, and see that Brennan has never changed, is a murderer plain and simple, burned all those families out of their land, I didn't like how, when he realizes Brennan has been shot and is dying, he very tenderly takes him to meet Lilly Langtry. I guess Brennan's meeting Langtry was an important scene to have at the end, but I didn't like how Cooper takes care of him.


Cooper plays the character here as sort of slow-witted, not all that strong, and is completely overshadowed by Brennan. My main problem is in how Cooper chooses to play his character, as very outwardly weak, certainly not typical of a saddle tramp/gunslinger. if he had played him like a tough gunslinger, maybe he could have been a solid character. But as Cooper plays him, he is completely overshadowed by Brennan.

Anyway, I had great fun watching this  :)


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 26, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
Brennan is good, Cooper is absolutely hopeless. The final showdown in the concert hall is inventive. 5/10.
My enjoyment of this film has been growing. I'll now go a "6."


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 27, 2012, 07:39:06 PM
My enjoyment of this film has been growing. I'll now go a "6."

still too low. Watch it again  :P


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: uncknown on November 12, 2017, 02:24:49 PM
4/10

I am shocked at how well re regarded this turkey is :o

The main problem is tone: it starts off as a  (unfunny) black comedy, then midway thru it turns dark and tragic, and ends up cloyongly sentimental and embarrassingly jingoistic!
Cooper, of whom I am a fan, is awful in a role that James Garner could've made work. The femal lead acts as if she is in a silent movie. The score is cloying....

A couple of good things in it saves it from zero stars.
Bruce Marshall


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 12, 2017, 05:37:47 PM
4/10

I am shocked at how well re regarded this turkey is :o

The main problem is tone: it starts off as a  (unfunny) black comedy, then midway thru it turns dark and tragic, and ends up cloyongly sentimental and embarrassingly jingoistic!
Cooper, of whom I am a fan, is awful in a role that James Garner could've made work. The femal lead acts as if she is in a silent movie. The score is cloying....

A couple of good things in it saves it from zero stars.
Bruce Marshall

No mention of Brennanís masterful performance?


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: cigar joe on November 12, 2017, 06:20:06 PM
No mention of Brennanís masterful performance?

Agree it's one of his best films.


Title: Re: The Westerner (1940)
Post by: Moorman on November 18, 2017, 04:00:36 PM
I can't believe i haven't commented on this film. Its easily one of my favorite Gary Cooper westerns. Its a fantastic movie. Both Cooper and Brennan were excellent in this movie. Its on my favorite westerns list.  I rate this one a 7.5 out of 10...