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Title: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2004, 04:59:51 PM
Anybody catch this HBO western?


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: General Sibley on March 23, 2004, 09:16:55 AM
I saw it, was pretty good.  First episode of anything is usually pretty sluggish as they introduce all the characters.  The saloon owner is really good, Ian McShane - he was great in Sexy Beast too.  He can give AngelEyes a run for his money for nastiness!


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on March 27, 2004, 05:01:15 AM
Did you notice if Wild Bill was using cap & ball Colts? He never upgraded to cartridge ammo.



Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: General Sibley on March 27, 2004, 05:17:04 AM
Don't know, he hasn't pumped anyone full of lead yet - but he's getting close.  


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: KERMIT on March 27, 2004, 05:24:34 AM
when he stops whittling i think somethings gonna happen.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: deMaie on March 29, 2004, 06:53:20 PM
Hi guys
I like it. With the second episode showed, some lose
ends and character traits are defined now. I really
like everything I saw up to now.
The Doc's cabin is mindblowing in details.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Smitty on September 04, 2004, 02:23:53 PM
love this show. some episodes drag a little (lots of different directors), but overall good. most of the characters are very well rounded.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: General Sibley on January 09, 2005, 05:49:02 AM
Second season of Deadwood starts soon - HBO is repeating last season currently.  If you didn''t catch this the first time around you should check it out, very cool show.  Ian McShane is magnificent, as is William Sanderson as F.B. Farnum - they give Farnum some of the best dialog ever written for television and his delivery is perfect.  (fyi -William Sanderson was also great in Blade Runner, he was  the oddly wrinkled guy who was the proud creator of Rutger Hauer.  He then gets him in to see the big boss at corporate HQ).

The show has its slow moments, but overall its excellent television.  Highly, highly recommend it to people on this site.

http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: visitor on January 09, 2005, 05:58:30 AM
Sanderson is more famous as

"Hi. My name Larry. This is my brother Darryl. And this is my other brother Darryl."

Of NEWHART show


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on January 09, 2005, 07:51:24 AM
I don''t have HBO  :-[ but I''ll be awaiting the DVD''s for the first season.  ;D


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on February 20, 2005, 05:53:12 AM
Don't have HBO so I finnaly saw the first two programs of this series on the DVD set that just came out.

I think Leone would have enjoyed it, its very realistic and the sets have a lot of detail, the scenery is what is actually does look like around the Black Hills of South Dakota, ponderosa pines and steppe-grass slopes with cottowood bottoms. 

Ian McShane is great as the town boss Swearingen.

Its a very character & dialogue driven story and of course not at all Iconic, even Wild Bill and Calamaty Jane come off as human, this is the big difference between it and Leone. You get the impression in the back of your mind that if Joe, Manco, Blondie, Mortimer, Angle Eyes, Indio or Tuco would have ridden into town they could eat any of these characters for breakfast. Which is ok because they in a way compliment each other.

Its like you get one long backstory of a particular western town, which most probably was the same for all wide open mining towns, logging and cowtowns throughout the west. It reminds you of both "Gangs of New York" and "McCabe & Mrs. Miller".  Its definitely gritty and entertaining and I recomend it.

There is a lot of violence, a bit of nudity so far with the bordello ladies, and a lot of cursing so those of you who have problems with anything like this be forewarned.  They have a way of making corpses diappear by feeding them to the pigs, very cool, just don't eat any Chinese fried pork, lol.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Bill Carson on February 24, 2005, 08:55:08 AM
 8)  I've heard about this series. apparently the 'C' word is used a lot?  what's Ian 'Lovejoy' Mcshane like in it ?


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on February 24, 2005, 03:55:19 PM
 
Quote
I've heard about this series. apparently the 'C' word is used a lot?  what's Ian 'Lovejoy' Mcshane like in it ?


"C" word "S" word "F" word, any word you can think of. Ian Mcshane is a great baddie, its sort of "Gangs of New York" meets the Wild West.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Belkin on February 25, 2005, 07:32:50 AM
Yup, with you there, cigar joe. I think its terrific!


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Bill Carson on February 25, 2005, 10:30:21 AM
 8) Ok Cigar Joe and Belkin; if it gets your seal of approval I'll check it out.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Smoker on February 25, 2005, 12:17:28 PM
Must see this show.
Im without Satellite. so maybe the upcoming season 1 DVD will be in store.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on February 27, 2005, 10:12:33 AM
I think season 2 begins tonight on hbo


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Jack of Hearts on April 11, 2006, 06:25:33 AM
Has anyone purchased Deadwood Season 2 (region 2) yet?  I have watched all 12 episodes and am desperate to watch them with the audio commentary by cast and crew, but can't find the link on the disc!  The commentaries are listed on the DVD box but do not seem to appear anywhere in any menu list.  Am I missing something?  I can only think that they are not on the Region 2 DVD, but if not, why would they be listed as an extra?  I have noticed that when the Region 1 set comes out it will consist of 6 discs not the four for the European release, and have documentaries, so I suppose that might have something to do with it. 

Any suggestions gratefully received! 

Jack


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 13, 2006, 04:09:12 PM
so, season 3 has started. what did you think?
to me it started off slow, but the latter half picked up the pace and I think we'll see a lot of violence in the coming episodes.


*SPOILER WARNING*




I thought it was pretty hilarious when bullock beat the crap out of farnum. not sure what hearst did to make him flip tho, I have to rewatch the episode.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 13, 2006, 11:47:25 PM
Amaze: what little gunplay there is in this show(if any) is it well done? is it gritty and violent? I'm picturing the climax to "Open Range" here...am I close? Throw me a bone here :)


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 14, 2006, 12:07:28 AM
uhm, never seen open range but there quite a few murders but theres only one real standoff that I can remember. so if you're looking for a show with a final standoff at the end of each episode you might want to look elsewhere. is it violent? very much so. guys get shot, women get beaten, heads get bashed, guts gets stabbed and corpses get fed to the pigs. but like I said, if you're looking for a bloody "bonanza" this ain't it.

maybe you can rent the season1 box set, give it a whirl. I'd say if you dont like it after the four first episodes then forget it.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 14, 2006, 01:19:34 AM


maybe you can rent the season1 box set, give it a whirl. I'd say if you dont like it after the four first episodes then forget it.
Thanks I'll keep that in mind. But as for  the episodes Ive seen its "all bark and no bite".


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 14, 2006, 02:02:26 AM
do you recall what events took place in the episodes you saw? I expect they were from the 2nd season. and most people seem to agree that it was inferior to the 1st.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 14, 2006, 03:03:34 AM
do you recall what events took place in the episodes you saw? I expect they were from the 2nd season. and most people seem to agree that it was inferior to the 1st.

I seem to recall the character on your avatar having recently being beaten to a pulp what with all the bruises and lumps on his face(great make-up). Then he receives a blow-job from some prostitute while Calamity Jane is outside yelling at him "****sucker this ****sucker that". With all the yelling going on I figured there would be some gunplay but it never happened. The prostitute finises him off and he goes outside to yell back at Calamity Jane and then all is well in Deadwood. :)


The other episode(which was the one right after the one I just described) I dont recall very well.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 14, 2006, 05:21:46 AM
yea that was the "explosive" opening of the 2nd season that lead to nothing, so I see where you're coming from.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on June 14, 2006, 06:01:31 AM
Thats my only gripe, lack of gunplay, too bad, its gritty enough, and the sets are great.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 15, 2006, 04:44:16 AM
trailer for the next episode is up at hbo.com now. looks like al took one to the head.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 15, 2006, 04:27:03 PM
I've only recently given this show my full attention and I love it! Can't wait to sit down and watch many more episodes.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 15, 2006, 05:20:36 PM
I've only recently given this show my full attention and I love it! Can't wait to sit down and watch many more episodes.

Me too, Deadwood is a great show. It's second only to The Prisoner on my favorite tv shows list. I really want the series to end with Bullock ( the sheriff ) and Swerengen confronting each other. It's as if the show is setting this battle up.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 15, 2006, 08:56:51 PM
I dont think so, al and bullock joined forces in season2. and I think it'll stay that way as long as hearst is in the camp.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 16, 2006, 09:26:24 PM
I dont think so, al and bullock joined forces in season2. and I think it'll stay that way as long as hearst is in the camp.

That's true but it's an unstable alliance. Hearst will fall eventually just like his associate from last season ( forgot his name, refresh my memory. He's the one who hung himself at the end of last season. ). Then Swearengen will become the top boss again, regain his power hunger and will have to face off against Bullock.

I also think the show should end when the railroad comes to Deadwood. Once the railroad comes, the towns become civilized and spells the end for corrupt town bosses like Swearengen ( but usher in railroad bosses like Morton ).


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 16, 2006, 09:49:22 PM
yea, that would be a nice ending, but I'm afraid there' some bad news:

www.savedeadwood.tv


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 16, 2006, 09:59:40 PM
yea, that would be a nice ending, but I'm afraid there' some bad news:

www.savedeadwood.tv


Oh man! That sucks! I love that show.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 17, 2006, 02:18:46 AM


www.savedeadwood.tv


Not that I care much for the show but jeez you cant just rip it off the airwaves unfinished! That is stupidity. Its telling an ongoing story now a resolution must be made.

Also  Amaze, I will be taking your advice and rent the first season of the show to see if it sparks any interest in me. However from what I have seen so far I seriously doubt it.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 17, 2006, 12:09:36 PM
Not that I care much for the show but jeez you cant just rip it off the airwaves unfinished! That is stupidity. Its telling an ongoing story now a resolution must be made.

It's a trend now. The only tv shows that can survive on the airways nowadays are sh*tty reality shows. If a show has quality or if it's cerebral it will immiediately be taken off the air because executives think that the American public are nothing more than mindless drones who crave anything that they put out.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 17, 2006, 01:45:35 PM
yea, but that usually only applies to the network channels, this time it's hbo!


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 17, 2006, 03:57:04 PM
From my reading of Variety and the NYT, that website is a little out of date and HBO have re-comissioned Deadwood  :)


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 17, 2006, 05:59:39 PM
From my reading of Variety and the NYT, that website is a little out of date and HBO have re-comissioned Deadwood  :)

I read that article in the Times but that was printed last week. I think this HBO crisis just happened, but I may be wrong.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 17, 2006, 08:00:31 PM
it's been going on since may, but very little has been confirmed officially, both the positive and negative. me personally, I'm happy to see that we'll get an ending to the series, but I don't like being robbed of a whole season, cut down to 4 hours. david milch planned 4 full seasons.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 17, 2006, 08:33:17 PM
it's been going on since may, but very little has been confirmed officially, both the positive and negative. me personally, I'm happy to see that we'll get an ending to the series, but I don't like being robbed of a whole season, cut down to 4 hours. david milch planned 4 full seasons.

At this point, any ending to the series is good enough for me.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 18, 2006, 02:59:43 PM
I'm on holiday at the mo but I think last weeks Variety (which is at home) said all the mess was cleared up. The problem is with The Sopranos now.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 18, 2006, 03:41:36 PM
I'm on holiday at the mo but I think last weeks Variety (which is at home) said all the mess was cleared up. The problem is with The Sopranos now.

I hope the mess is cleared up. And I can't wait to see the Deadwood movies. In the NYT article, David Milch claimed that several plot possibilities for the movies are a huge town fire or a flood.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 18, 2006, 09:03:10 PM
cool, I think the real-life deadwood had a town fire in it's early days, that's how the gem theatre came about.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 18, 2006, 11:09:59 PM
cool, I think the real-life deadwood had a town fire in it's early days, that's how the gem theatre came about.

That's what Milch said. There was a flood in the real Deadwood too. As a matter of fact, most of the characters in the show are real-life people such as Al Swearengen and Seth Bullock. Kalamity Jane, Wildbill Hikock, and Jack McCall are pretty obvious but I always thought the other characters were ficticious.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 18, 2006, 11:51:47 PM
yea, but I like how milch gave the characters their own life instead of trying to be like their real-life counterparts. to the dismay of others I suppose.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 18, 2006, 11:54:31 PM
yea, but I like how milch gave the characters their own life instead of trying to be like their real-life counterparts. to the dismay of others I suppose.

do you know what the character in your avatar was like(in real life that is)?


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 19, 2006, 12:00:22 AM
do I know his personality? no. nor anyone else's for that matter.
but their stories are found on the web, and they differ from what goes on in the show. I find the show more exciting.

edit:

according to wikipedia, swearengen had a "reputation for brutality with a canny instinct for forging political alliances"


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 19, 2006, 12:15:42 AM


according to wikipedia, swearengen had a "reputation for brutality with a canny instinct for forging political alliances"

This is what I was asking for. I wasnt asking for the guy's personality. Sorry I didnt clarify that.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 19, 2006, 12:21:34 AM
no worries, it's so easy to misunderstand here in internetland.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 21, 2006, 05:26:39 PM
Right hope this helps. HBO has cancelled the show but has allowed 2, 2 hour episodes to wrap up the story after Season 3. Announced in this weeks Variety.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 22, 2006, 04:09:07 PM
Speaking of which, did anyone catch this weeks episode? I know I'm a bit late but I just watched it last night. I won't ruin it for anyone who didn't see it, but to those who did, did you see what they did to Swearengen at the end? I never liked him, I always considered him to be the bad guy but I still couldn't help feeling sorry for him. That had to hurt! 


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 23, 2006, 06:56:48 AM
followed by the best line ever: "steer the f**k away from him, I'm having mine served cold"

al has kinda been the anti-hero ever since tolliver showed up and more so now that hearst is trying to take over the camp.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 25, 2006, 12:16:16 AM
al has kinda been the anti-hero ever since tolliver showed up and more so now that hearst is trying to take over the camp.

You think so? I still consider him the bad guy, even with that evil pr*ck Hearst in the camp.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 25, 2006, 01:17:14 PM
well, at least I see him as the lesser of two evils. or three as they are now, but tolliver is incapacitated for the moment. al really softened up during the 2nd season tho. I hope hearst brings out the worst in him, hehe.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 25, 2006, 02:43:29 PM
well, at least I see him as the lesser of two evils. or three as they are now, but tolliver is incapacitated for the moment. al really softened up during the 2nd season tho. I hope hearst brings out the worst in him, hehe.

I never really saw Tolliver as being evil. He was a bad man who was morally corrupt but for some reason I never saw him as a bad guy. I guess I'm too use to the movies where the bad guys have a certain look as well as the heros and anti-heros.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 25, 2006, 02:51:02 PM
did you see the 1st season? he had his best friend tossed out in the woods to die, and he brutally beat two kids to death. not to mention his hatred for women. he once said something about there's no good women until they have maggots in their eyes.

al on the other hand, spared the life of that little girl, performed a mercy-killing of that preacher and some other good deeds. al is just tough on the outside. cy tolliver is pure evil. that's what I think anyway.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 25, 2006, 02:57:08 PM
did you see the 1st season? he had his best friend tossed out in the woods to die, and he brutally beat two kids to death. not to mention his hatred for women. he once said something about there's no good women until they have maggots in their eyes.

al on the other hand, spared the life of that little girl, performed a mercy-killing of that preacher and some other good deeds. al is just tough on the outside. cy tolliver is pure evil. that's what I think anyway.

I missed a lot of the first season. I kept forgetting when it was on. The second season I watched religiously. Every week I wouldn't miss it, so I caught up quick.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on June 25, 2006, 03:26:36 PM
you've got some jewels in store then.  ;)


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 25, 2006, 03:29:04 PM
you've got some jewels in store then.  ;)

Everyone says the first season was the best but I'm beginning to doubt that ever since this third season started.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on July 13, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
My Second Season DVD arrived yesterday. Have watched two episodes so far and am really enjoying it. Feel a bit sorry for Al  :o


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on July 13, 2006, 08:30:41 PM
I've got the first two discs of the second season watched myself, yea painful  :P


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 14, 2006, 01:36:23 AM
I just watched this week's episode last night.  To all those who didn't watch the show due to boring build-up, now is the time to watch!


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on July 14, 2006, 05:07:59 AM
I got to wait for the DVD's I don't get HBO  :'(


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on July 14, 2006, 06:23:19 PM
I think this season has a better build up then the last one. have you noticed how funny deadwood has gotten or is it just me? I'm feel like I'm laughing much more than previous seasons.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 15, 2006, 12:13:56 PM
I think this season has a better build up then the last one. have you noticed how funny deadwood has gotten or is it just me? I'm feel like I'm laughing much more than previous seasons.

This season is really good. This week's episode was great ( I won't ruin it ) and I do see Swearengen turning into somewhat of a heroic character. It's almost as if he's trying to defend the camp from the tyrannical Hearst.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 31, 2006, 03:54:31 PM
SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!




Okay I know I'm late but I've been busy and was unable to watch it on Sunday and Tuesday. I saw it last night.........



........WTF were the writers thinking?!? That was possibly THE worst ending in history. They build everything up to this moment throughout the season, the stage was set, and they just let Hearst go without any kind of resolution.

I'm not saying there had to be some huge Hollywood-style shoot out, but to build up everything to just leave the audience like this is a major F*UCK YOU to us loyal fans of the show. I was very, very, very, disappointed and I doubt I will watch the last two movies. I'm just getting tired of their build-up that leads to nothing.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on September 01, 2006, 10:37:23 AM
yea, it was pretty dissapointing, but what did you expect? besides the season was finished before they knew there would be no 4th season. to me, what happened was very anti-climactical but logical.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 07, 2007, 02:31:30 PM
The 3rd season of this excellent and, sadly, short lived series comes out on R1 DVD in June 2007.

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=64242


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 07, 2007, 02:35:35 PM
Excellent tv series...horrible, horrible ending.

I won't ruin it for anyone, but I will give a warning. Don't expect some grand finale, even though the show sets you up for one. If you expect that kind of ending you will sorely be disppointed.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 07, 2007, 02:38:07 PM
We've still got the 4 2 hour movies to come though, they should wrap it up according to Milch. I heartily recomend the Milch Deadwood book, I picked it up in NY and read through it very quickly. Excedingly entertaining.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: tucumcari bound on March 07, 2007, 04:11:51 PM
Yeah, I just picked up that book. I haven't read it all yet but it was a great buy! I'm also upset they're ending the show. What a great series, it's just to bad. At least we get the 4 2-hour movies.  :)


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on March 08, 2007, 11:09:48 AM
it's 2 2hour movies, not 4  ;)



Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 08, 2007, 01:19:42 PM
Damn it's changed? I got 4 2 hour movies from HBO  :-[


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: tucumcari bound on March 08, 2007, 02:49:16 PM
Damn it's changed? I got 4 2 hour movies from HBO  :-[

Yeah, I always thought it was two 2 hour movies. I thought maybe they changed that after I read what you said.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 08, 2007, 03:15:16 PM
Oh well, I got it from the guy in the HBO store in NY. Even so, more Deadwood  O0


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on March 08, 2007, 05:53:32 PM
while we're on the subject of milch, does anyone when his new show will start airing? it's called john from cincinnatti


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: TheUgly17 on June 22, 2007, 08:46:56 PM
I love this show, Im almost done watching the first season and I love it. It's a great show with very likeable characters.

But...I can't help but get sad when they show the Minister getting sicker and sicker, too sad but excelent actor.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on June 22, 2007, 09:55:01 PM
I like it too, to bad it didn't have a few more shootouts, my only complaint.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: TheUgly17 on June 22, 2007, 10:26:20 PM
There probably would have been more if there was more of Wild Bill. But it was needed to kill Bill to further plot and character development.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: moviesceleton on June 23, 2007, 05:53:20 AM
If I remember right, there is more action in the third season. I watched the first season pretty well, the second not that well and the third very well, so I'm a bit biased but I'd say the third season is the best. Anyone heard anything about the made-for-TV movies that were promised?


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: tucumcari bound on June 23, 2007, 08:25:25 AM
If I remember right, there is more action in the third season. I watched the first season pretty well, the second not that well and the third very well, so I'm a bit biased but I'd say the third season is the best. Anyone heard anything about the made-for-TV movies that were promised?

I haven't heard anything new about a made-for-TV movie lately. There's supposed to be two of them. Hopefully something gets developed soon. I love this show. It's to bad they had to cancel it.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: moviesceleton on June 23, 2007, 10:05:55 AM
I haven't heard anything new about a made-for-TV movie lately. There's supposed to be two of them. Hopefully something gets developed soon. I love this show. It's to bad they had to cancel it.
Yeah, what a shame. This is definitely one of the best TV shows ever.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: tucumcari bound on June 23, 2007, 10:17:37 AM
Yeah, what a shame. This is definitely one of the best TV shows ever.

I agree. That's the one thing I hate about HBO. They air to many shows when they should just stay with some for a few years without releasing new one's all the time. Deadwood is to good to cancel.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 23, 2007, 04:10:42 PM
I loved the show, I hated the ending to the 3rd Season.


I mean I really HATED the ending.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: TheUgly17 on June 23, 2007, 10:24:41 PM
Im almost done with the second season now and I prefer the first season overall.

There really making Seth a giant prick and Alma a bitch right now. I just dont understand why Seth treats his new family so vacantly...


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: moviesceleton on June 24, 2007, 04:00:22 AM
I loved the show, I hated the ending to the 3rd Season.


I mean I really HATED the ending.
SPOILER:
Yeah, I hated it too. The whole season was practically a huge build up. When I missed one episode I was afraid that in the next episode everyone would be dead. But then the ending was very lame. I'm sure Hearst survived only for historical accuracy, but still. I was expecting a big gun fight, but it never happened :'(. Though, I loved that the show ended with  Swearengen cleaning the floor. Wasn't that the first scene also? At least the first scene ever with Swearengen?


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 24, 2007, 10:14:25 AM
SPOILER:
Yeah, I hated it too. The whole season was practically a huge build up. When I missed one episode I was afraid that in the next episode everyone would be dead. But then the ending was very lame. I'm sure Hearst survived only for historical accuracy, but still. I was expecting a big gun fight, but it never happened :'(. Though, I loved that the show ended with  Swearengen cleaning the floor. Wasn't that the first scene also? At least the first scene ever with Swearengen?


EXACTLY!

They built up to a huge confrontation and instead they gave us a lame ending where nothing happened.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on July 14, 2007, 03:06:37 PM
For the folks who may think the language in Deadwood is not an accurate portrayal check out this NY Times article. These recordings were made about 20 years later do you think there was any difference in language over that time period or earlier for that matter?

Part 1

There Once Was a Record of Smut.

by Jody Rosen, July 8 2007

IN 1997 Bruce Young, a collector of memorabilia from the early phonograph era, placed a newly acquired 100-year-old wax cylinder record on his Edison Standard Model D player and heard a surprising sound: a young man saying filthy words. It was a 2 minute 25 second poetic recitation, suggestively titled “The Virtues of Raw Oysters,” written in the voice of a sexually voracious woman. “I never had it but twice in my life/Make me, just for tonight, your dear little wife,” went one of the few lines suitable for newspaper quotation on a recording laced with curse words and hair-raising sexual slang.
 
 
“My wife and I just stared at each other in disbelief,” Mr. Young said, recalling that first listening session. “We were just amazed that that kind of language — what you think of as very naughty late-20th-century schoolyard talk — would exist in the 1800s.” Mr. Young realized that he had stumbled on one of the earliest examples of audio indecency: a 19th-century record worthy of a parental advisory sticker.

Today it has one. “The Virtues of Raw Oysters” is one of 43 profane monologues, skits and other spoken-word curios on “Actionable Offenses: Indecent Phonograph Recordings from the 1890s,” the newest release from Archeophone, a small label devoted to early sound recordings. The album provides a new vantage point on sound recording history and offers some contemporary lessons as well. The zeal with which phonograph pioneers took to indecent material is a reminder that, from the Victrola to the Internet, smut peddlers have always been among the earliest and savviest adapters of new technologies.

These days there is a seemingly permanent culture war over pop profanity. Episodes like the recent controversies surrounding offensive speech by shock jocks and rappers are invariably viewed as evidence of America’s moral decline. But “Actionable Offenses” shows that the good old days were not all that squeaky clean: that the brash, bawdy forebears of Don Imus and Snoop Dogg flourished in an age of horseless carriages and whalebone corsets.
The past several years have seen a burst of scholarly interest in the music of the so-called acoustic era: the rags and minstrel songs, parlor ballads and opera arias, novelty tunes and vaudeville comedy ditties that companies like Edison and Columbia pressed onto wax cylinders and 78 r.p.m. discs in the years before the advent of electric recording. But until now few people were aware that the story of the record business’s 19th-century origins was told, in part, in four-letter words.

“Actionable Offenses” features several other pieces donated to Archeophone by Mr. Young, starring the same anonymous narrator of “The Virtues of Raw Oysters,” almost certainly a hobbyist who made the recordings at home. And it includes a dozen commercially released cylinder records, which mix coarse language and sexual farce with topical references to Grover Cleveland and the Spanish-American War.

“We have long thought of the phonograph as something that simply reproduced music,” said Patrick Feaster, a historian and co-author of the “Actionable Offenses” liner notes. “But early uses of the phonograph were incredibly experimental. People were trying pretty much everything, trying to figure out what they could put on these recordings to make a buck, everything from hymns and prayers at one extreme to obscenity on the other end.”

And occasionally a bit of both. “Actionable Offenses” includes a version of “I Sit Here Thinking, Will, of You,” a staple of 19th-century anthologies of bawdy verse that tells of a church parishioner’s deflowering in “Deacon Foster’s pew.” That poem is recited by the home-recording artist, with the barely contained glee of a man who knows he’s making mischief.
Prankster he may have been, but he performed a valuable service, leaving behind the earliest oral renditions of texts well known to folklorists. His repertory includes “He’ll Win in a Walk, B’Jesus,” a scatological ballad about a day at the horse track; several dirty variations on “Mary Had a Little Lamb”; and off-color limericks like the one that begins “There was a young lady from Alaska.” (Let’s just say the punch line involves John Jacob Astor.)
The recordings from Mr. Young’s collection are charmingly rough, and not just because of a century’s worth of accumulated crackle and hiss. They are audibly the work of an amateur experimenting with a new machine. The other dozen cylinder records on “Actionable Offenses” are a good deal more polished. Made in professional studios and commercially released sometime at the tail end of the 19th century, the cylinders languished unheard for at least 50 years in the vaults of the Edison National Historic Site in West Orange, N.J., one of the world’s largest repositories of early recordings.
The cylinders were packed away in a box with a handwritten tag attached: “Not for mixed company.” Other jottings identified the performers as Cal Stewart, Russell Hunting and James White, three of the best-known turn-of-the-century recording artists, famous for their humorous monologues and ethnic dialect comedy.
 
(Album Information and Track Samples from Archeophone's Web Site )

The routines on “Actionable Offenses” are striking for their similarity to the period’s straight comedy records; they are blue burlesques of the performers’ signature acts. Stewart earned wide fame for his character Uncle Josh Weathersby, a bumbling rube from the fictional backwater of Punkin Centre, Vt. “Actionable Offenses” includes “Learning a City Gal How to Milk,” in which Mr. Stewart voices the parts of two farmers marveling at a city girl’s cow-milking prowess and speculating on her related skills in the amorous arts. Both Hunting and White specialized in Irish dialect routines, and they can be heard on several tracks, reeling off ribaldries in exaggerated brogues. The most brazenly pornographic record on the CD is White’s “Dennis Reilly at Maggie Murphy’s Home After Nine O’Clock,” three-plus minutes of simulated intercourse, complete with comically dirty banter, cries of ecstasy and squeaking bedsprings.





Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on July 14, 2007, 03:07:09 PM
Part 2

Record companies were discreet about such material, issuing the cylinders pseudonymously (Hunting’s aliases included Manly Tempest and Willy Fathand) and marketing them to saloons, amusement arcades and other gathering places with nickel-in-the-slot phonographs. But the recordings did not go unnoticed by guardians of public morality. Journalists railed against “the abuse of a great invention.” Soon Anthony Comstock, the crusading founder of the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice, was on the trail of indecent cylinders, chasing down distributors and even performers. On June 24, 1896, one of Comstock’s detectives came to Hunting’s Manhattan home, posing as a fancier of naughty songs. Hunting custom-recorded two cylinders for his visitor, was promptly arrested and was sentenced to three months in prison for violating obscenity ordinances that normally governed written literature and visual images.

In 1899 a new law was enacted, promising stiff fines and lengthy prison terms specifically for purveyors of phonographic profanity. The scarcity of the recordings today is in part explained by the chilling effect of this legal crusade. “People went to jail for making these cylinders,” said David Giovannoni, the co-producer of “Actionable Offenses.” “These are the artifacts that caused the law to change.” The album’s liner notes include a photograph of Comstock glowering above a mutton-chop mustache, the very picture of Victorian rectitude. But the CD debunks the cliché of Victorian America’s pervasive primness. You won’t hear a smuttier record this year than “The Whores Union,” an extravagantly detailed menu of brothel services (“All night, with use of towel and rosewater: $5”), bellowed by Hunting in the voice of a prostitutes’ union president.

Ribaldry may even have surfaced in that sanctum of audio science, the Edison workshop. Thomas Edison claimed that the first words he ever recorded, in 1877, were “Mary Had a Little Lamb.” But conflicting accounts have Edison and his assistants shouting “Mad dog” into the machine, then running it backwards to hear the phrase “God damn.” And others have claimed that far more colorful language flew around Edison’s all-male laboratory and wound up on those earliest recordings. It’s known that Edison’s rival, Alexander Graham Bell, proposed developing a “swearing top,” a spinning toy that would blare curse words. Beneath their funny hats and furrowed brows, it seems, our Victorian cousins had minds as dirty as ours.

But “Actionable Offenses” offers something besides history lessons: laughs. Once you get past the records’ shock and novelty value — and acclimate your ears to the primitive sound — you’ll hear some very funny stuff. Stewart and Hunting were terrific joke tellers and raconteurs, bringing years of trial-by-fire training in vaudeville to the creation of a comedic art in a new medium. It’s hard to resist routines like Mr. Hunting’s “Gimlet’s Soliloquy,” a gonorrhea-theme riff on Hamlet’s “To be or not to be” speech, delivered in a mock-aristocratic British accent full of lustily rolled r’s. The best jokes on “Actionable Offenses” still kill. The most haunting voice, though, belongs to that nameless amateur whose home recordings Mr. Young unearthed a decade ago. It’s an odd experience, listening to a record that was in all likelihood made for private delectation; you feel at times that you’re invading someone’s privacy. Then again, maybe the guy had heard the cylinders of Stewart, or ones like them, and figured his filthy routines were as funny as the pros.
Would he really have bothered to preserve his act if he didn’t want someone to hear it? More than 100 years after uttering the unspeakable into a phonograph horn, he has his audience: a 19th-century potty mouth, with jokes to scald 21st-century ears.


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: moviesceleton on July 15, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
Thanks for posting this, Joe!  O0


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on July 15, 2007, 11:27:45 AM
no problemo!


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Amaze on September 24, 2010, 01:29:07 PM
Thought you might enjoy this:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=205920&id=588254251&l=31a325f241

Someone visited Melody Ranch where the deadwood set is still standing.


"All the sets seem to be, though a bit rough and seasoned, ready to be called back into action. I have seen auctions of some of the costumes, though.
there is once picture of E.B.'s hotel in that set, and it looks like they filled in the part Hearst smashed out with a window and changed the roofline (there used to be a more elaborate circular splay of wood feature up there too)."


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Tex on February 25, 2013, 11:50:57 AM
Deadwood is definitely in my top 5, may top 3, favorite shows. As luck would have it, I got introduced to the show at a time when I was reading a lot of Shakespeare. While I don't like to compare, Milch is at least a kindred spirit. The dialogue is really what makes the show for me.

For anyone who owns the season 1 DVDs I recommend checking out Keith Carradine's interview with David Milch. Very interesting discussion of the American Western and its origins, particularly the origin of the upstanding, silent hero.

By the way, anyone know what ever happened to the movie projects?


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Tex on February 26, 2013, 12:03:01 PM
Just rewatched that interview. Here are some of the most interesting points made by Milch.

Origin of the show - Milch's project was to explore the idea that men, when they find themselves without a sovereign system of law and order, impose some sort of order upon themselves. The original pitch to HBO was for a show about city cops in Nero's Rome. Unfortunately for Milch at the time (but fortunately for we western-philes), HBO told him sorry, but they were already working on a Rome show. So he returned with essentially the same show exploring the same themes but in a different venue, Deadwood.

Language, vulgar and eloquent - As for the vulgarity, Milch states that "It's very well documented that the obscenity of the West was striking but the obscenity in mining camps was unbelievable." He goes on to say that just as gorillas beat their chests to avoid having to fight all the time, so did the man of the rough and tough west cuss up a storm. It was a way of announcing his presence as a tough customer without having to tear it up with his fellow man.
The other side of the coin is the eloquent language. Those who were educated at the time were educated by the Victorian novels. The two worlds collide in the West where men of letters rise to power only when they are able to verbally beat their chests, Al being the prime example.

You'll notice that the characters who routinely get violent physically are not the most eloquent characters. And those who get the tar beat out of them are not the most obscene speakers (The dandy from NY, EB, Hugo Jarry the Yankton commissioner). You need both to survive in Deadwood. Wu in an interesting case in this regard. Among the Chinese he is a boss, but among the English speakers, he must rely on Al to supply more than just the obscenity he has soaked up.

Cigar Joe has pointed out that there is a surprising lack of shootouts. This is perhaps due to the verbal chest beating that goes on. However I would add that when things do get violent, man, do they get violent!

The Western genre as we know it - Keith Carradine mentions that it is hard to consider this a Western along side the traditional American Western. On this, Milch says some very interesting things. He says that the old westerns reflected the Hays production code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code) much more than they reflected reality. So in the restricting environment of Hollywood, the successful writers were the ones who could build a story, nay a world, within those confines. According to Milch this is exactly what the early American Western did. It's hard to make a realistic gangster movie under such restrictions. You end up with mob bosses who say things like "Gee whiz" "Watch it, mister" and "Go kiss a duck". So Milch says, "If characters can't say anything obscene, you try and conceive a character for whom obscenity is a kind of fallen or pathetic expression of weakness. I believe that was the source of the development of the laconic cowboy." He "didn't have to f*** with the Hays code, 'cause he didn't talk a lot."


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
It reminds me of the joke in Blazing Saddles about "genuine frontier gibberish" reflecting the Hayes Code influence.

examples:

Auw Shoot
Auw Shucks
Jumpin' Jehoshaphat
What in tarnation
Goll darn it

I'm sure we can come up with more  ;)


Title: Re: "Deadwood" (2004-2006)
Post by: Tex on February 26, 2013, 02:56:43 PM
It reminds me of the joke in Blazing Saddles about "genuine frontier gibberish" reflecting the Hayes Code influence.

examples:

Auw Shoot
Auw Shucks
Jumpin' Jehoshaphat
What in tarnation
Goll darn it

I'm sure we can come up with more  ;)


Yosemite Sam is a good source.  O0