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Title: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 13, 2010, 09:34:17 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056195/


I guess the story only makes sense if observed as an allegory, otherwise not only it's simple but it's also very illogical and, I have to say - dumb. John W. "Jack" Burns (Kirk Douglas) gets himself locked up in order to help an old friend who's sentenced to 2 years of imprisonment... You'd think he'd be risking his neck for someone who's going there for life or for at least a couple of decades, right? It would have been even more illogical if his buddy Paul (who as we saw has a family and, apparently, a life of some sort) actually did escape with him - where would they go? Run around the desert for the rest of their lives? Same thing with Jack's escape: he had nowhere to go.

Still, like I said, if you observe it as an allegory it shouldn't be a problem at all. It is in fact a very good movie. Kirk Douglas sort of pulls off a mixed bag of his usual stuff, nothing for movie history but makes the movie work. It is a one-man-show, of the rest only Walter Matthau is worth a positive mention, and George Kennedy a negative. Actually, speaking of the acting; the horse (a ''she'' ?) did a tremendous job, some of that falling-from-the-mountain stuff looks like 85% real, but wasn't even credited!

I usually don't have a problem with black and white Westerns but here I dare to say a lot of the colors of those piny mountain slopes were lost or sacrificed for nothing (thin budget?). It would have been more captivating if in color.

If there are like from 5 to 10 movies ever made that fit under the term ''Modern Western'', then this is one of them.


7.5 - 8 out of 10


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 13, 2010, 09:46:22 AM

A few stills:

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Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: sargatanas on March 13, 2010, 03:10:06 PM
dustdevil, remember the constant shots of the truck driver ? where is this truck driver headed ? could he be headed down the highway of life to run over kirk dare say ?  O0

i like this movie as well. how can you not like good old boy kirk bucking the sysem which is noble unless this damn truck is headed your way.  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onzqlL3rey8


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: T.H. on March 13, 2010, 06:45:59 PM
Great movie, I need to see it again. It's been a while. I've learned that the best movies aren't always the most perfect. While it would have been better if the entire jail angle was tossed out, it's too charming and fun for me to really give a damn.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: cigar joe on March 13, 2010, 07:47:56 PM
I like it also  O0


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 13, 2010, 09:32:06 PM
dustdevil, remember the constant shots of the truck driver ? where is this truck driver headed ? could he be headed down the highway of life to run over kirk dare say ?  O0

That truck was there the whole time yet I never suspected what was his role, at one point near the end I even forgot about it. I thought he might be carrying some news for our cowboy or something like that... The answer was obviously more simple than that, that's why I think the ending would have been more effective if shorter and more abruptly served; without any explanations.

The night, the rain, the wind, the road, the cowboy and his horse, truck around the corner - bang:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2dl9p4g.jpg)

It's not a horrible ending; for instance I like the Sheriff's part. But funny, it reminded me a lot of The Outlaw Josey Wales: a mediocre Western with a great ending. Like the roles have been reversed here: great Western with a mediocre ending.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 13, 2010, 09:59:31 PM
While it would have been better if the entire jail angle was tossed out, it's too charming and fun for me to really give a damn.

Well maybe not completely tossed out but it certainly would have done it a lot of good if handled with more logic, some logic at least. George Kennedy's character on the other hand... Was there any reason whatsoever for his character to be introduced in the movie? - Cause I honestly can't find it.

I've learned that the best - a lot of good - movies aren't always - necessarily - the most perfect.

If you agree - I agree.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 13, 2010, 10:11:11 PM
I like it also  O0

What about the piny mountain slopes I mentioned: do you think they have been noticeably crippled by the black-and-white technique? Or am I exaggerating?


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: cigar joe on March 14, 2010, 03:23:39 AM
We'll it makes it all the more noir-ish, I think all that would have been jettisoned with the color. In color it would have been more of a "Bad Day At Black Rock" vibe to it which would have worked also.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: T.H. on March 14, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Well maybe not completely tossed out but it certainly would have done it a lot of good if handled with more logic, some logic at least. George Kennedy's character on the other hand... Was there any reason whatsoever for his character to be introduced in the movie? - Cause I honestly can't find it.

If you agree - I agree.

Yeah, it should have been re-worked. He helps his friend, which causes him to be pursued. I remember not liking that Douglas' character intentionally goes to jail and breaks out. Something more simple would be more effective.

I would consider OUATIA, The Searchers, Rio Bravo and Ace in the Hole some of the best movies I've ever seen and all four are flawed to some degree. But that's me.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 14, 2010, 11:27:22 AM
We'll it makes it all the more noir-ish, I think all that would have been jettisoned with the color. In color it would have been more of a "Bad Day At Black Rock" vibe to it which would have worked also.

Well it could be you're right. It doesn't look bad but in occasions it is slightly blank and monotonous. I guess it all depends on the color of those pines and other trees: if they're sunburned/yellowish then the color wouldn't have helped much, if they're green then it would have been quite a scenery if in color.

Hmm, I don't wanna sound like a regular nitpicker, but sometimes I just can't get passed those missing small ''attentions'' and ''technicalities'' that would have made the movie much greater in my book. I still like the movie, it's just that I was born with a over-critical and negative mind. I just can't help it.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on March 14, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
I would consider OUATIA, The Searchers, Rio Bravo and Ace in the Hole some of the best movies I've ever seen and all four are flawed to some degree. But that's me.

We're 75% in agreement. O0


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: T.H. on March 14, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
  O0


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: titoli on May 01, 2010, 11:02:53 AM
I can't imagine this in colour. The first part is too contrived and absurd. The movie really begins with Douglas's escape and, from that moment, it is a 10\10 movie. His performance while laying on the road, with those eyes wandering restlessly in search of the horse is probably the best thing I ever saw Douglas do. But still this is the first great Matthau performance. And Gena Rowlands is even attractive. 7\10


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: mike siegel on May 03, 2010, 04:42:56 AM
I always loved that film. It's Douglas favorite film and I'm happy about his taste.

1962 was such a rich year for westerns. Although the early 60's mark supposedly the
downfall of the US western (and the early beginnings of the next Generation Italian Style),
that year presented some of the best films of the 60's - most of the westerns, nothing less.
RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY, LIBERTY VALANCE, HUD & LONELY are contemporary stories but
somehow westerns nevertheless.

Great touching film, very well acted & directed. And brave too.


Title: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Spikeopath on May 18, 2017, 06:55:40 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056195/reference

I don't need cards to figure out who I am, I already know.

Lonely Are The Brave is directed by David Miller and adapted for the screen by Dalton Trumbo from the novel "The Brave Cowboy" written by Edward Abbey. It stars Kirk Douglas, Gena Rowlands, Walter Matthau & George Kennedy. Cinematography is from Phillip H. Lathrop and Jerry Goldsmith scores the music in what was his first major studio work.

John (Jack) W. Burns is an old school cowboy who refuses to adapt to the new world he finds himself in. Modern technology is alien to him and he would rather perpetually roam with his horse Whiskey than ever contemplate getting in a car or a jet. Upon learning that his dear friend Paul (Michael Kane) is in jail, it's not long before Jack himself finds he's in jail after a barroom fight…..and then promptly sets about breaking Paul and himself out. Only Paul doesn't want to go, he wont jeopardise the family life waiting for him on the outside by becoming a fugitive. Jack escapes and heads for the hills on Whiskey, with the law, and all their modern technology, in hot pursuit.

Officially Douglas' favourite film in his long and varied career, Lonely Are The Brave is a wonderfully elegiac picture about a man out of his time. Boosted by impeccable lead performances, a great script and gorgeous black & white photography, it's hard to believe it was met with a lukewarm response upon its release. Set in 1950s New Mexico the film elegantly tells how the frontier is vanishing; to be replaced by progress and technology. Douglas' character, a wandering cowboy, is a symbol of nostalgia, where Trumbo's screenplay offers a cautionary observation about restriction of freedom and individuality. Themes close to home with the writer with the HUAC incidents still fresh in the memory. Lonely Are The Brave could quite easily now be subtitled the Punk Rock Western.

There's a number of scenes in the piece that leave indelible marks. A rip snorting fist fight between Jack and a one armed man is high powered and potent, the farewell scene between Jack and Paul's wife Jerry (Rowlands) is sexually charged and wrought with an impending finality. The whole pursuit as Jack and Whiskey scale the rocky hills, pursued by helicopter, car and a vengeful prison guard, is gripping and laced with emotion. While the finale, tho forewarned to us from early in the piece, is one of the most heart tugging moments in Western movie history. Director Miller doesn't have the CV that his work here suggests he should have; given the assured way he crafts this story. For he, along with all the others involved (must mention Goldsmith's evocative score too), has delivered a classy bit of cinema across the board. A pertinent piece about the changing world and the characters left behind in its wake. 9/10

UK TV.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on November 14, 2017, 12:04:34 PM
Re-watched this: a solid 8/10.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: cigar joe on November 14, 2017, 04:19:41 PM
Re-watched this: a solid 8/10.

What a coincidence . Just got done watching a few minutes ago agree, great film.


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Dust Devil on November 15, 2017, 12:41:21 PM
What a coincidence . Just got done watching a few minutes ago agree, great film.

There are no coincidences in this world, amigo. ;)


Title: Re: Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Post by: Moorman on December 10, 2017, 03:52:04 PM
This looks pretty good. I came across it on Youtube.