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Title: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 31, 2010, 06:06:54 AM

Taken From Digital Bits

And here's something interesting: Fox and MGM have officially announced a Sergio Leone Spaghetti Western Trilogy for Blu-ray release in the U.K. on 6/7, including A Fistful of Dollars, the previously released The Good, The Bad and the Ugly and For a Few Dollars More. In fact, it's available for pre-order now on Amazon.co.uk. I've contacted Fox here in the States for word about a U.S. release and they haven't responded yet, but we'll keep on them to find out. This title ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE RELEASED IN THE U.S. TOO! We'll post an update as soon as we have anything new.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on March 31, 2010, 06:11:10 AM


Sorry here is the Amazon link  :)


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spaghetti-Western-Collection-Fistful-Dollars/dp/B0039WHKHM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1270037314&sr=1-4



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Scarabaeus on April 16, 2010, 01:59:05 PM
U.S. release on June 1st:
http://www.amazon.com/Man-No-Name-Trilogy-Blu-ray/dp/B003EYEF2S/

It's unclear if this is a new transfer, or the same they used for the recent DVDs and the GBU Blu-ray.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on May 03, 2010, 11:12:13 AM
What the heck is the Christopher Frayling Archives?
http://homecinema.thedigitalfix.co.uk/content/id/72493/the-man-with-no-name-trilogy-us-bd-in-june.html


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Sundance on May 14, 2010, 01:21:52 AM
The Man With No Namy Trilogy Blu-Ray has already been released in Hong Kong and from what I have understood (but I might be wrong... :P ) it should be the same release (perhaps with some audio and/or subtitle differences) that will be available elsewhere in June.
A Fistful of Dollars and For a Few Dollars More are also available separately from there.

http://dddhouse.com/v3/product_details.php?ProductID=10821  AFOD
http://dddhouse.com/v3/product_details.php?ProductID=10822 FAFDM
http://dddhouse.com/v3/product_details.php?ProductID=10823 Box

Perhaps only Region A.

EDIT:

AFOD MGM vs RHV (http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/2010/05/18/a-fistful-of-dollars-blu-ray-mgmdeltamac-hong-kong/)
FAFDM MGM vs Mondo Home (http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/2010/05/18/first-images-from-the-mgm-for-a-few-dollars-more-blu-ray/)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on May 23, 2010, 08:32:29 AM
Beaver review: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews51/man_with_no_name_trilogy_blu-ray.htm


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2010, 08:55:48 AM
Got the set and, per Beaver's rave of the FAFDM transfer, dipped into that one first. I'm very disappointed. Black levels seem excessive, and this is another case where skin tones are clearly wrong: much of the time, faces are too red. I guess I'll be getting the Italian import . . .


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Jordan Krug on June 03, 2010, 09:35:17 AM
Got the set and, per Beaver's rave of the FAFDM transfer, dipped into that one first. I'm very disappointed. Black levels seem excessive, and this is another case where skin tones are clearly wrong: much of the time, faces are too red. I guess I'll be getting the Italian import . . .

Of course, he also doesn't mention that the MGM version is still CUT and missing a few seconds of scenes...I have the italian blu ray import, although there's no english track I still know the movie well enough to enjoy it...especially knowing I'm watching what Leone intended.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 08, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Another review:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Man-with-No-Name-Trilogy-Blu-ray/10781/#Review

I should say, another review that thinks the FAFDM disc looks pretty good. On my equipment, it looks the worst. Go figure.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: noodles_leone on June 09, 2010, 07:51:14 AM
Another review:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Man-with-No-Name-Trilogy-Blu-ray/10781/#Review

I should say, another review that thinks the FAFDM disc looks pretty good. On my equipment, it looks the worst. Go figure.

What is your BR player?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 09, 2010, 10:27:25 AM
Sherwood, which is a knock-off of the Momitsu.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 14, 2010, 10:28:13 AM
This seems a pretty fair assessment: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/products/the-man-with-no-name-trilogy-blu-ray/reviews#1660


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on July 01, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
Future Brazilian blu-ray release of Once Upon a Time in the West mentioned over at the SWDB forum: http://www.blurayshop.com.br/once_upon_a_time_in_the_west_blu_ray-b2929/


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on August 29, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
Dollars Trilogy Blu-ray selling at amazon.com for $27.99: http://www.amazon.com/Man-No-Name-Trilogy-Blu-ray/dp/B003EYEF2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1283130149&sr=1-1


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on September 10, 2010, 01:27:20 PM
Interesting comment from Torsten Kaiser over at HTF:
Quote
We worked on FISTFUL OF DOLLARS and FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE on behalf of Paramount who are the distributors of these films in the German-speaking territories in Europe.  The reason why we did not work on TGTB&TU is simply that this title is not part of that licensing arrangement. That film is with MGM/UA.  As for a release on Blu-ray, MGM/UA through Fox have just issued what they already had on DVD - however, this time with the original Mono tracks (at least on two of the three as far as I could make out). Unfortunately, all these titles are originally copyrighted in Italy, so MGM is just a licensee, which makes also the work with low generation elements very difficult.  I hope that this will improve/be revisited some time in the future.  Of Fo$s there was a quite promising master in Italy - however, it (the Blu-ray issued there) has significant issues with what we call subpixel drag - an error where the native pixel information designated for one pixel is picked up by two instead in two different vertical rows causing significant problems for the eyes to "read" the signal a s a sharp image.  Especially on big screens this is very evident.  It is likely an encoding error.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: semore on September 22, 2010, 10:57:22 AM
http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=52634
once upon a time in america blu ray! 8)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on September 22, 2010, 12:36:27 PM
YAAAAAAY!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on September 23, 2010, 03:01:26 AM
From Digital Bits: In announcement news today, Warner Home Video has just set Sergio Leone's Once Upon a Time in America for Blu-ray Disc release on 1/11/11 (SRP $24.98). The film will be presented in its full, uncut length of 229 minutes. Extras will include audio commentary by film historian and critic Richard Schickel, the making-of documentary Once Upon a Time: Sergio Leone, a Photographic Memories still gallery with 96 images and theatrical trailers. The release will also be issued as a 2-disc DVD Special Edition that same day (SRP $19.97).

Unfortunately this is just the same 2003 DVD release transferred to Blu Ray - avoid!  Shame on WarnerBros >:(

From previous post on September 6th: For fans in the UK

Film 4 HD 22.50 Monday 6th September - first time showing in HD as far as I know.  On again on Sunday 12th 23.20 - in case you miss it.

Will report back on how it looked. 

OK Unfortunately OUATIA looked quite poor in HD - In fact there didn't seem much difference from it showing on HD Film 4 & it showing on standard Film 4 (the same night) the picture quality wasn't particularly sharp & already the print/master/DVD Film 4 were using (2003 I think) is already starting to show signs of wear & tear (lots of dirt evident).

Hopefully Warner Bros will be looking at a brand new remastering of this film for Blu - Ray, otherwise its going to be a very disappointing release.

A clean up & release along the same lines as the Godfather would suffice. 

Oh well looks like that was too much to ask Warner Bros :(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on September 23, 2010, 05:29:52 AM
From Digital Bits: In announcement news today, Warner Home Video has just set Sergio Leone's Once Upon a Time in America for Blu-ray Disc release on 1/11/11 (SRP $24.98). The film will be presented in its full, uncut length of 229 minutes. Extras will include audio commentary by film historian and critic Richard Schickel, the making-of documentary Once Upon a Time: Sergio Leone, a Photographic Memories still gallery with 96 images and theatrical trailers. The release will also be issued as a 2-disc DVD Special Edition that same day (SRP $19.97).

Unfortunately this is just the same 2003 DVD release transferred to Blu Ray - avoid!  Shame on WarnerBros >:(

From previous post on September 6th: For fans in the UK

Film 4 HD 22.50 Monday 6th September - first time showing in HD as far as I know.  On again on Sunday 12th 23.20 - in case you miss it.

Will report back on how it looked. 

OK Unfortunately OUATIA looked quite poor in HD - In fact there didn't seem much difference from it showing on HD Film 4 & it showing on standard Film 4 (the same night) the picture quality wasn't particularly sharp & already the print/master/DVD Film 4 were using (2003 I think) is already starting to show signs of wear & tear (lots of dirt evident).

Hopefully Warner Bros will be looking at a brand new remastering of this film for Blu - Ray, otherwise its going to be a very disappointing release.

A clean up & release along the same lines as the Godfather would suffice. 

Oh well looks like that was too much to ask Warner Bros :(
Well, that's disappointing. I guess I won't be pre-ordering this, but I might still get it if it's reviewed well.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on September 23, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
Very Very Dissapointing from Warner Bros - would have expected more from this great studio - this is a straight transfer of the 2003 DVD version to Blu Ray - as I said earlier the 2003 version already shown on Film Four in HD is not much better than the standard version - which already is starting to look its age.

Warner Home Video Press Release:

"May be the definitive gangster picture. Rarely equaled."

David N. Meyer, THE NEW YORK TIMES

Robert De Niro and James Woods Star in Sergio Leone’s           Critically Acclaimed Masterpiece

Once Upon A Time In America
 
Highly Anticipated Debut on Blu-ray Disc™ and Two-Disc Special Edition DVD
 

Available January 11 from Warner Home Video
 

Burbank, Calif., September 22, 2010 – Considered to be Sergio Leone’s masterpiece and one of the finest works within the gangster genre, Once Upon A Time In America (1984) debuts for the first time on Blu-ray Disc and as a two-disc Special Edition on January 11 from Warner Home Video. Recognized by director Martin Scorsese as a major influence on his career, the film features a star-studded cast of Oscar® winners including, Robert De Niro (“Goodfellas,” “The Godfather ll,” “Little Fokkers”), Joe Pesci (“Goodfellas,” “Casino,” “My Cousin Vinny”) and Oscar® nominee James Woods (“Ghosts of Mississippi,” “Salvador”). The film will be offered in its full length – three hours and forty-nine minutes – and will feature four hours of bonus content including commentary by noted film historian Richard Schickel, a making-of documentary and theatrical trailers. Orders are due December 7 (Blu-ray Disc SRP $24.98 / two-disc Special Edition DVD SRP $19.97).

 

“Once Upon A Time In America” received two Golden Globe® nominations for Best Director and Best Original Score; won the British Academy of Film and Theater Arts (BAFTA) Award for Best Score and Best Costume Design; and earned Best Supporting Actress, Best Director, and Best Cinematography nominations for Tuesday Weld, Sergio Leone and Tonino Delli Colli. Composer Ennio Morricone’s haunting score won the Los Angeles Film Critics Association Award.

 

ABOUT THE FILM

 

Sergio Leone, the Italian filmmaker whose artistic sensibilities created new interpretations of the American western with his landmark productions of “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly,” “A Fistful of Dollars” and “For A Few Dollars More,” and who brought international stardom to Clint Eastwood, crafts an unparalleled saga about two friends and the complex urban underworld in which they live.

 

Starring Robert De Niro (“Little Fockers,” “Machete,” “Goodfellas,” “The Godfather ll,”) as David “Noodles” Aaronson and James Woods (“Ghosts of Mississippi,” “Salvador”) as Max, the boyhood cohort with whom his life becomes inextricably meshed, Once Upon A Time In America chronicles the ruthless ambitions that drive them. The compelling story embraces a world of gritty realities, raw emotions, secret longings, explosive conflicts, and the volatile passions that destroy them and those who love them. Directed by Sergio Leone, the film follows Noodles and Max and their cadre of Jewish gangsters in New York from their early 1900’s childhood, through the glory years of prohibition and their subsequent reunion 35 years later.

 

Once Upon A Time In America features a stellar cast of well-known and respected actors, including the debut of Academy Award® winner Jennifer Connelly (“He's Just Not That Into You,” “Inkheart,” “Blood Diamond,” “A Beautiful Mind”), and such stars as Elizabeth McGovern (“Clash of the Titans,” “Kick-Ass”), Treat Williams (“What Happens in Vegas” “Everwood” TV series, “Prince of the City”), Tuesday Weld (“Feeling Minnesota”) and Joe Pesci (“Goodfellas,” “Casino,” “My Cousin Vinny”) play roles exquisitely interpreted in Leone’s masterpiece.

 

With a haunting score by Ennio Morricone, Once Upon A Time In America marks a milestone in cinema history as the ultimate saga about the life of early urban gangsters and lasts in memory long after the last frame.

 

Special features include:

 

·        Commentary by film historian and critic Richard Schickel

·        Making-of documentary: “Once Upon a Time: Sergio Leone”

·        Photographic Memories: Still Gallery with 96 images

·        Theatrical trailers

 

*special features listed above are subject to change.

 

 

ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA (1984)

 

Rating: R

Run Time: 229 mins

Order Date: 12/7/10

Street Date: 1/11/11

Languages: English

DVD UPC / CAT#: 1000170042 / 883929158300

BD UPC / CAT#: 1000170419 / 883929158713

DVD SE / BD MSRP: $19.97/$24.98


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on December 23, 2010, 09:41:29 AM
Dollars Trilogy Blu-ray selling at amazon.com for $27.99: http://www.amazon.com/Man-No-Name-Trilogy-Blu-ray/dp/B003EYEF2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1283130149&sr=1-1

Bought this the other day. I haven't had time to watch it yet, but during my internet research I noted a few global curiosities.

The US release is called "The Man with No Name Trilogy" and comes with all three in a single cardboard enclosed regular blu ray case.

The UK release is called "The Spaghetti Western Trilogy" and has the three coming in individual blu ray cases with one large box for all three cases.

The French release is called "La trilogie du dollar" (The Dollar Trilogy) in the same packaging style as the UK.

Personally I'm happy I got the US one because I much prefer the single blu-ray case. As for the name, either the US or French (if it were in English and with 'dollar' in the plural) would be fine, but the UK one is horrible. To me, it implies that the only Spaghetti Westerns are these three!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on March 02, 2011, 01:43:09 PM
Once Upon a Time in the West Blu-ray release in France in June:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/france/166911-once-upon-time-west-sergio-leone.html

http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-ray-movies-tv-programmes/1421085-sergio-leones-once-upon-time-west-june-30th.html


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on March 02, 2011, 02:10:10 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 02, 2012, 09:57:40 PM
so now that I presume you all have seen the Leone films on Blu Ray, what's your assessment of the picture quality? (The only disc that i recall the picture quality being discussed elsewhere is GBU; all other BR discussions have either involved missing or added scenes, or news about upcoming releases).

I just bought a blu ray player a few months ago, and bought all the Leone films on BR disc within the past couple of weeks. (Note: I have  32 inch hdtv, so the difference in blu ray quality may not be as noticeable for me as for some of you who have 50-60 inch hdtv's).

It's hard to compare very well since I do not have 2 screens and therefore cannot compare them side by side; I can only watch the blu ray and then compare it to the dvd from memory. I have so far watched the entire OUATIA, the first half of FOD, and the first scene of the Scorcese version of OUATITW. The picture quality does not have the sort of insanely amazing improvement that jumps out of you the way some blu ray discs do. (GBU is the one that I thought was very noticeably different, but some of you don't like it at all; I thought that the picture is much sharper however the faces are almost comically red. But the GBU BR disc is still worth buying for the amazing Frayling commentary, which is only available on the BR disc). I still have not seen FAFDM or the regular version of OUATITW.

So, now that you've seen them, what's your assessment of the picture quality of the BR discs? (Please specify whether the version you saw is the American or a different one.....)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 02, 2012, 10:08:47 PM
As posted in the other thread, I highly recommend you figure out how to use that website (caps-a-holic.com) I linked to in the other thread. They have comparisons of MGM vs Mondo/RHV (Italian) for all the dollars films. Use the lossless PNG files for all comparisons instead of lossy JPG.

In all cases the Italian BD's are superior to the MGM BD's.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: noodles_leone on June 03, 2012, 04:38:22 AM
Hum, yeah, and are you sure your TV is well calibrated? Have you tried different color styles? It changes everything.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 05:06:40 AM
As posted in the other thread, I highly recommend you figure out how to use that website (caps-a-holic.com) I linked to in the other thread. They have comparisons of MGM vs Mondo/RHV (Italian) for all the dollars films. Use the lossless PNG files for all comparisons instead of lossy JPG.

In all cases the Italian BD's are superior to the MGM BD's.

Apart from FAFDM.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 07:12:32 AM
So, now that you've seen them, what's your assessment of the picture quality of the BR discs? (Please specify whether the version you saw is the American or a different one.....)

The Italian RHV release of FOD is vastly superior to the MGM one and, unlike the Mondo releases of FAFDM and GBU, has English audio. Check out the screen caps below and note, even regardless of image quality, how much more actual image you get:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/for_a_few_dollars_more.htm


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 03, 2012, 08:01:29 AM
The Italian RHV release of FOD is vastly superior to the MGM one and, unlike the Mondo releases of FAFDM and GBU, has English audio. Check out the screen caps below and note, even regardless of image quality, how much more actual image you get:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/for_a_few_dollars_more.htm

Although Mondo's FAFDM is the weakest out of the Italian BD releases, it's still better than MGM's sharpened to hell BD.

My TV is calibrated properly. I take home theater very seriously. There's no question that MGM dropped the ball big time and RHV/Mondo offer superior releases. I guess you can tweak your video settings on your TV but that's a "band-aid" approach for overcoming the weaknesses of the MGM BD's.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 08:13:16 AM
Ok, sure. I don't own the Mondo releases myself (I want English audio), but am just going by what other reviewers have said - i.e. the FAFDM MGM release is comparable, albeit different, in quality to the Mondo one while the MGM GBU one isn't.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 03, 2012, 08:33:55 AM
It's a subjective issue and is open to personal preferences when there is not a huge difference between the PQ of two releases (i.e. FAFD MGM vs Mondo).

Screenshot comparisons only tell you part of the story. You really need to see the differences in the BD's on your own home theater system.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 04, 2012, 02:29:39 PM
Just looking through the Man With No Name Trilogy on Blu Ray, and found an interesting extra on each movie: As mentioned before, GBU has a commentary by Frayling in addition to the commentary by Richard Shickel that's on the dvd. For FOD and FAFDM, there is a really nice piece with Frayling displaying some his collection of Leone memorabilia -- it's 18 minutes on FOD, 19 minutes on FAFDM. Frayling takes you through the various posters, which are interesting cuz it shows how the film grew and how the marketing changed. Eg. in the very early Italian and Spanish posters, it was a lot of fake American names (Bob Robertson) and no picture of Eastwood. Later, as the film grew, Eastwood began to be featured prominently, and the real names began to be used. I'm sure that the astute fan has seen much of these posters and lobby cards (eg. in Frayling's book "Once Upon a Time in Italy") but it's nice to have Frayling take you through 'em all. There's also original records of the soundtracks, and original shooting scripts (in Italian, of course!) in which Frayling describes some differences with the final movie.
It's a really nice bonus material, and I am not sure why they did not do the same piece for GBU. (Maybe they figured that once they had the additional Frayling commentary, that was enough to advertise that each movie has a new bonus feature?? It really makes no sense why they didn't do it for GBU; Frayling definitely has the memorabilia for that film too!)

So if you get The Man With No Name Trilogy on Blu Ray, be sure to check out the bonus feature on Frayling's memorabilia collection on both the FOD and FAFDM discs, and the Frayling commentary on GBU.


p.s. in the FAFDM piece, Frayling holds up a poster of Eastwood, and says that it hung in his dorm room in the late 60's next to photos of Bob Dylan and Che Guevara, other heroes of the counterculture. I sure hope that  Sir Christopher has re-evaluated his admiration for mass murderers.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2012, 03:06:07 PM
Just looking through the Man With No Name Trilogy on Blu Ray, and found an interesting extra on each movie: As mentioned before, GBU has a commentary by Frayling in addition to the commentary by Richard Shickel that's on the dvd. For FOD and FAFDM, there is a really nice piece with Frayling displaying some his collection of Leone memorabilia -- it's 18 minutes on FOD, 19 minutes on FAFDM. Frayling takes you through the various posters, which are interesting cuz it shows how the film grew and how the marketing changed. Eg. in the very early Italian and Spanish posters, it was a lot of fake American names (Bob Robertson) and no picture of Eastwood. Later, as the film grew, Eastwood began to be featured prominently, and the real names began to be used. I'm sure that the astute fan has seen much of these posters and lobby cards (eg. in Frayling's book "Once Upon a Time in Italy") but it's nice to have Frayling take you through 'em all. There's also original records of the soundtracks, and original shooting scripts (in Italian, of course!) in which Frayling describes some differences with the final movie.
It's a really nice bonus material, and I am not sure why they did not do the same piece for GBU.
I believe the answer is because those pieces were prepared for the S.E.s of FOD and FAFDM which happened to come out around the time of the 2005 Leone Exhibition at the Gene Autry Museum in L.A. ("Once Upon A Time in Italy" was essentially the catalog for the exhibition). There was no special edition of GBU done at that time.

Some info on the Leone Exhibition is here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2187.0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 04, 2012, 03:23:58 PM



p.s. in the FAFDM piece, Frayling holds up a poster of Eastwood, and says that it hung in his dorm room in the late 60's next to photos of Bob Dylan and Che Guevara, other heroes of the counterculture. I sure hope that  Sir Christopher has re-evaluated his admiration for mass murderers.

I did not know that Dylan is a mass murderer, but Eastwood was no hero of the counter culture. But he played a mass murderer in the Leone films, which some may admire.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 04, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
I did not know that Dylan is a mass murderer, but Eastwood was no hero of the counter culture. But he played a mass murderer in the Leone films, which some may admire.

I am not talking about Dylan (who, btw, I am a big fan of). I am talking about Che Guevara, the favorite mass murderer of hippies then and now


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 04, 2012, 03:45:11 PM
I am not talking about Dylan (who, btw, I am a big fan of). I am talking about Che Guevara, the favorite mass murderer of hippies then and now

He was a soldier, he was a revolutionist.

If he was a murderer (maybe he was one, but I don't think so), then he at least didn't do it for money. And if he was one, he was surely a lesser one compared to guys like Nixon. And people who were worse than Nixon.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 04, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
He was a soldier, he was a revolutionist.

If he was a murderer (maybe he was one, but I don't think so), then he at least didn't do it for money. And if he was one, he was surely a lesser one compared to guys like Nixon. And people who were worse than Nixon.

Nixon? Did I ever say anything about Nixon? wtf does Nixon have to do with anything? If Frayling had talked about having a poster of Nixon, then maybe that would be relevant.
You can use the term "soldier," "revolutionist," or any other favored euphemism that some Leftists love to use when speaking of their beloved Commie murderers. Doesn't change the fact that Guevara was Castro's henchman who killed numerous innocent people -- well, innocent of everything except being sympathetic to Communism. Nothing can change that -- no matter how many times you wanna scream "revolutionary," no matter how many idiot hippies wear his t-shirt, no matter how many dopeheads at Occupy Wall Street wave his picture, or how many Commies in Hollywood speak glowingly of him.

"if he was one (a murderer), then at least he didn't do it for money"?!?
Are you fucking kidding me? Does that justify it? Does that make it any less evil?! Many of history's biggest mass murderers did not do it for money. That doesn't justify their actions one iota.
Murder is evil whether it is done for money or for Communism or for Fascism or racism or any other reason. Guevara was a murderer and nothing justifies that. It is amazing how many people like you are willing to overlook the worst evil acts, and even celebrate the person who committed them, just because they like that person's political views   ::)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 05, 2012, 02:45:53 AM
I don't overlook that (you don't know enough about me to make such a statement), and I don't care much for Guevara, and yes some of the biggest mass murderers did it for ideology or for power.

But I'm now interested if you think if Nixon is also a mass murderer, or not. Or if only the Commies and the Arabs (and their likes) are mass murderers.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 03:22:53 AM
I don't overlook that (you don't know enough about me to make such a statement), and I don't care much for Guevara, and yes some of the biggest mass murderers did it for ideology or for power.

But I'm now interested if you think if Nixon is also a mass murderer, or not. Or if only the Commies and the Arabs (and their likes) are mass murderers.

my statement was a response to Frayling's remark about the Guevara poster. So the only relevant point of discussion is Guevara.
There certainly have been mass murders who were not Commies and Arabs. The Commies have sure had quite a few:( In addition to Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Kim Jung-Il, the Castro brothers, Pol Pot, Mao.).... and the Muslim-dominated countries have sure not been models of freedom (Saddam Hussein pre-Iraq, see what's happening in Syria today, what happened in Libya under Ghadafi, Afghanistan under Taliban rule, Saudi Arabia and many others that ascribe to Sharia Law)... But in addition to the Commies and the Muslims, there have sadly been many other mass murders:Hitler, Mussolini, Milosevic, the factions slaughtering scores of people in Rwanda, in Darfur,etc. etc. etc. were mass murders as well. The list goes on and on, sadly. All murder is evil and I despise all murderers; I don't give a damn what race, religion, country of origin, or political view they ascribe to.

But for me to begin a new, irrelevant discussion RE: Nixon and others, that would violate my own rule that I really try not start any political discussions, unless it arises out of something in a movie. This invitation of yours is to a general political discussion to which I have zero interest in, and therefore will decline.

I will just make one statement about Nixon, and that is it, I will  not respond any further about him: I absolutely despise Nixon  for many reasons related to domestic policy, but I really don't know nearly as much about Vietnam to tell you one way or another whether he was a murderer. That's it. You will have to find someone else to invite to debate the issue of Nixon.


But whatever emerges from that ridiculous debate over Nixon, that has zero bearing on the fact that Guevara was a murderer and is rotting in hell  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 05, 2012, 05:39:38 AM
Too bad, I thought you were an expert in the mass murder and rot-in-hell business.

Now I still can't help all those people who come to me to ask me always the Nixon/mass murder question. Even worse I can't be sure about Che and the others you also named, even if I'm sure you know a lot more than poor me.

And trouble is I still don't know should I try to end in hell or in heaven? Cause I don't know which people I will meet in either of those 2 places. What if I try to avoid Nixon in heaven, but then it appears he was a baddie, and I opted for hell, and then it is most likely too late to revise this decision. Pheww, tricky ...



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Cusser on June 05, 2012, 07:37:36 AM
I believe the answer is because those pieces were prepared for the S.E.s of FOD and FAFDM which happened to come out around the time of the 2005 Leone Exhibition at the Gene Autry Museum in L.A. ("Once Upon A Time in Italy" was essentially the catalog for the exhibition).

Some info on the Leone Exhibition is here: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2187.0



I was fortunate to be able to attend that exhibition in Los Angeles.  It was great.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 05, 2012, 08:00:33 AM



But whatever emerges from that ridiculous debate over Nixon, that has zero bearing on the fact that Guevara was a murderer and is rotting in hell  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

Bhoah, wait, you are totally wrong about this. I just checked Wikipedia, and it seems Che actually rots in Bolivia.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 09:21:35 AM
I believe the answer is because those pieces were prepared for the S.E.s of FOD and FAFDM which happened to come out around the time of the 2005. . .
Wrong! I just went through the Dollars trilogy set and found that Drink is talking about something different than what I thought he was talking about. I thought he was talking about the piece that was done around the time of the exhibition that showed Frayling in LA with the Gene Autry currator getting ready for the show (which may have only been on the German Tobis Special Editions, I'm not sure it was ever ported over to other releases). Anyway, what Drink was actually talking about are 2 separate but linked pieces that are in 1080p and were done in 2010 (at what looks life Frayling's home). I hadn't even realized they were on those discs (thanks, Drink!). D&D is right, those make great extras. Apparently, they were made so that the 2010 release would have something new for the fans (a nice touch). I'm guessing that since the GBU disc had already come out (and had the new Frayling commentary anyway), they didn't want to go to the trouble of creating a new disc just to add an extra Frayling segment. They essentially just re-used the stand-alone GBU disc for the trilogy.

Anyway, Frayling showing off his posters and talking about them makes for a great time. No Leone fan should miss these segments.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
Wrong! I just went through the Dollars trilogy set and found that Drink is talking about something different than what I thought he was talking about. I thought he was talking about the piece that was done around the time of the exhibition that showed Frayling in LA with the Gene Autry currator getting ready for the show (which may have only been on the German Tobis Special Editions, I'm not sure it was ever ported over to other releases). Anyway, what Drink was actually talking about are 2 separate but linked pieces that are in 1080p and were done in 2010 (at what looks life Frayling's home). I hadn't even realized they were on those discs (thanks, Drink!). D&D is right, those make great extras. Apparently, they were made so that the 2010 release would have something new for the fans (a nice touch). I'm guessing that since the GBU disc had already come out (and had the new Frayling commentary anyway), they didn't want to go to the trouble of creating a new disc just to add an extra Frayling segment. They essentially just re-used the stand-alone GBU disc for the trilogy.

Anyway, Frayling showing off his posters and talking about them makes for a great time. No Leone fan should miss these segments.

as much as we criticize MGM and Paramount -- and rightfully so -- for fucking around with the features, a least give them credit for the bonus materials: the special editions of all of Leone's Westerns are jammed full of awesome stuff! (with the one important exception of Paramount screwing up the film commentary to OUATITW).

One the other hand, Warner Bros.' did a very shitty job with OUATIA:  I believe that the only bonus materials aside from the Schickel commentary are some production photographs, and the portion of the "Once Upon a time Sergio Leone" TV documentary that talks about OUATIA (thankfully, that entire documentary is available on YouTube). It's insane that  Frayling doesn't even figure into the bonus materials at all! Whether he was unavailable at the time, or whether the dvd's didn't have enough space for too many bonus materials in addition to the 3:49 feature, they could have corrected all that when the blu ray disc was released a year ago. There is absolutely no excuse for the BR just being an exact copy of the dvd. (Conversely, when MGM released the GBU SE dvd and Frayling was unavailable for commentary at the time, at least they had him record a commentary when he was available later on, and then they released that commentary onto the BR disc). So whatever reason WB had for not using Frayling at all either in the commentary or in the extra features of the OUATIA dvd -- whether it's cuz he was unavailable at the time or for some other reason -- they should have corrected that when releasing the blu ray several years later. There is certainly no shortage of available space on a blu ray disc. Well, maybe it is cuz they are just plain stupid.

Luckily, the new OUATIA restoration means that eventually a new dvd/BR of the movie will be released, and maybe, just maybe, this time they will treat this movie with a dvd that is worthy of the movie's greatness: full of great bonus materials and a film commentary with Frayling... I'm always hoping for the best but preparing for the worst


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 06, 2012, 12:51:06 AM
Even worse I can't be sure about Che and the others you also named, even if I'm sure you know a lot more than poor me.


You can't be sure that Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and the others I mentioned were mass murderers?  Swell fellow you are. Yeah, I'm sure you would have loved to live under their regimes. Not as a dissenter though; that would have gotten you killed or tortured. Maybe you would have been marching in lockstep. Or goose step.

Anyway, if you wanna pretend to be unsure about whether some of the most evil men in history were mass murderers, then you're not worth wasting my breath on, so I will do so no longer, idiot.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 06, 2012, 02:58:31 AM
You can't be sure that Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and the others I mentioned were mass murderers?  Swell fellow you are. Yeah, I'm sure you would have loved to live under their regimes. Not as a dissenter though; that would have gotten you killed or tortured. Maybe you would have been marching in lockstep. Or goose step.

Anyway, if you wanna pretend to be unsure about whether some of the most evil men in history were mass murderers, then you're not worth wasting my breath on, so I will do so no longer, idiot.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, I'm concerned about my afterlife, and you call me an idiot. How disappointing ...

But, come on,  Hitler wasn't that bad a guy. Sure, he shouldn't have killed those 6 mio Jews, but at least he fought the commies. And apart from the commies he knew how to treat e.g. homosexuals, gypsies, jazz musicians and other decadent artists.
Doesn't that make it equal?



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 14, 2012, 02:03:23 PM
The Italian RHV release of FOD is vastly superior to the MGM one and, unlike the Mondo releases of FAFDM and GBU, has English audio. Check out the screen caps below and note, even regardless of image quality, how much more actual image you get:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/for_a_few_dollars_more.htm

yeah based on Beaver's screen caps , it looks like the RHV Blue Ray version of FOD has more information on on top and bottom of the image than does the MGM BR version.

Ok, now I have two questions:

1) Is the MGM dvd of FOD missing the same information as is missing on the Blu Ray? or does that have the full image? If the dvd has the full image, then I will just always watch the dvd and never watch the BR.


2) As for the dvd's of FAFDM and FOD: I only own the MGM SE's in "The Sergio Leone Anthology"; I do not own the single discs
(FOD: http://www.amazon.com/A-Fistful-Dollars-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B00000K0DM

FAFDM: http://www.amazon.com/For-Dollars-More-Clint-Eastwood/dp/0792839056/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1338762217&sr=1-1 )

 so my question is, Is there any point in me purchasing those single dvd versions of FOD and FAFDM? Do they offer anything at all  -- image quality, image size, audio, etc. -- over the versions in MGM's SE Sergio Leone Anthology?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 17, 2012, 05:19:18 AM
come on guys, nobody knows the answer to my question in the previous message? This is important, I need an answer!  :)

Based on Beaver's screen cap comparisons of A Fistful of Dollars, http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/for_a_few_dollars_more.htm it looks like the MGM Blu ray is significantly cropped; the Italian RHV Blu Ray has more information on all 4 sides of the images.
This is very significant and I want to get the versions of the movie that have the full picture.

So my question is, does the MGM Special Edition DVD of A Fistful of Dollars have the exact same information in the image as the MGM Blu Ray has ? Or does the MGM SE DVD have the full, uncropped image that is available in the RHV BR? (I can't find any screen caps comparing the dvd's; for some reason, Beaver does not have any reviews of the dvd of FOD or FAFDM, only the blu ray).

If the DVD has the full image, then I will always watch that and disregard the BR. However, if the DVD is also cropped, then I need to go and find some way to get a version of the movie with the full image.

Which brings me to that RHV Blu Ray (reviewed separately by Beaver here http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/dvdreviews42/fistful_of_dollars_blu-ray.htm )

If the only way to get the full image is with this blu ray, then I will buy it. Looks really good -- full image, English 1.0 audio, how can you go wrong?

I just have a few questions about it:

It is listed on Amazon as being Region B and in PAL, but according to Beaver, it is region free (though Beaver says that the bonus features are in PAL and in Italian). I have a SAMSUNG blu ray player purchased in America, so while I don't mind not having access to the special features on the disc, I need to be certain that the movie itself will play on my Region A blu ray player. Can I be sure of that? Has anyone with a Region A blu ray player tried playing this disc?

And finally, I see these two listed on Amazon's American site: 1) http://www.amazon.com/Per-Pugno-Dollari-Versione-Restaurata/dp/B0041KW6E8/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339930877&sr=1-2-fkmr0&keywords=pur+un+pugno+di+dollari+blu+ray

and

2) http://www.amazon.com/Per-Un-Pugno-Di-Dollari/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339930877&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=pur+un+pugno+di+dollari+blu+ray

I assume that the one I am looking for is #1, correct? It is much more expensive than #2; does anyone know what the difference is? Most importantly, I need to know whether the main feature is the same picture; if the only difference is in the bonus features then I will get the cheaper one, since I can't watch the bonus features anyway since they are in PAL).

At this price (more than $40 for the disc, plus international shipping costs) I will need to be absolutely certain that I am getting the right thing, so I greatly appreciate your help!  O0 O0




Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on June 17, 2012, 09:18:59 AM
It is listed on Amazon as being Region B and in PAL, but according to Beaver, it is region free (though Beaver says that the bonus features are in PAL and in Italian). I have a SAMSUNG blu ray player purchased in America, so while I don't mind not having access to the special features on the disc, I need to be certain that the movie itself will play on my Region A blu ray player. Can I be sure of that? Has anyone with a Region A blu ray player tried playing this disc?

The film is region free and in HD so it will play on any BD player. I have an American region A/1(NTSC) Pioneer BD player that has been modified to be multi-region and the disc plays whether I power up in region A or B.

Some of the extras are in SD so are PAL encoded and also sometimes lack English subtitles. I can watch these when I boot up in region A with NTSC because my player has a built-in PAL-NTSC converter, however I assume that your one does not have this. However, I prefer to boot up in region B with PAL because then no conversion is necessary so the image is better quality on my screen (I have a Vizio TV which is one of the few US manufacturers that actually support both PAL and NTSC signals on some of their HDTVs).

I assume that the one I am looking for is #1, correct? It is much more expensive than #2; does anyone know what the difference is? Most importantly, I need to know whether the main feature is the same picture; if the only difference is in the bonus features then I will get the cheaper one, since I can't watch the bonus features anyway since they are in PAL).

I have this one - it will probably be cheaper for you to buy from Italy directly:

http://www.amazon.it/Per-Un-Pugno-Di-Dollari/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1339943189&sr=8-2

I believe that this is the re-release of the red box one (be careful as the DVD version and the BD version have the same box) without all the supplementary stuff in the box that I don't care for anyway.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Paulo on June 17, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
Quote
I have this one - it will probably be cheaper for you to buy from Italy directly:

http://www.amazon.it/Per-Un-Pugno-Di-Dollari/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1339943189&sr=8-2

I believe that this is the re-release of the red box one (be careful as the DVD version and the BD version have the same box) without all the supplementary stuff in the box that I don't care for anyway.

Novecento, does that one have the English Mono soundtrack? I have the red box DVD and want to get the Blu-ray without re-buying the box. Although both are Ripley's Home Video, I'm not sure the single-disc Blu-ray has the English mono track. Thanks  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on June 17, 2012, 05:30:53 PM
According to the box, it has Italian and English 1.0 and Italian 5.1. I have only ever listened to the English mono myself. I doubt it would be different from the DVD.



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 17, 2012, 10:08:03 PM
so are you saying that those two links I posted from Amazon have the same version of the movie, and the only difference is the bonus features?
so on both discs, the movie has the same uncropped picture, will play with any blu ray player, and have English 1.0 audio? and the only difference is that the red one has the bonus features (which I have no need for cuz they are in PAL and Italian anyway)? that's great,  I'll just buy the cheaper one!

can you please confirm that the above is correct? Thanks  O0 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 17, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
so are you saying that those two links I posted from Amazon have the same version of the movie, and the only difference is the bonus features?
so on both discs, the movie has the same uncropped picture, will play with any blu ray player, and have English 1.0 audio? and the only difference is that the red one has the bonus features (which I have no need for cuz they are in PAL and Italian anyway)? that's great,  I'll just buy the cheaper one!

can you please confirm that the above is correct? Thanks  O0 O0

I have the same BD posted by Novocento. It is the "no frills" version (i.e. no fancy red box with poster mini-replicas included, etc) but includes all the extra features on the disc. It has the mono English soundtrack. It's what you're looking for.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 18, 2012, 12:49:44 AM
I have the same BD posted by Novocento. It is the "no frills" version (i.e. no fancy red box with poster mini-replicas included, etc) but includes all the extra features on the disc. It has the mono English soundtrack. It's what you're looking for.

Is it worthwhile to get the more expensive one? I assume all the written materials are in Italian, which I don't understand.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on June 19, 2012, 07:09:56 PM
Dollars Trilogy on Blu for US$ 24.99: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003EYEF2S/

UPDATE: Now it's 19.99!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 21, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
I have the same BD posted by Novocento. It is the "no frills" version (i.e. no fancy red box with poster mini-replicas included, etc) but includes all the extra features on the disc. It has the mono English soundtrack. It's what you're looking for.

According to Beaver, the movie is region free (although the special features are only in PAL and Italian audio). Can you confirm this? Did you play the movie in a Region A Blu Ray player?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 21, 2012, 07:34:06 PM
I have a region 1 BD player. Main feature plays just fine. Of the 6 extras only the restored Italian HD trailer plays.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 27, 2012, 01:41:07 PM
okay, I ordered this one http://www.amazon.com/Per-Un-Pugno-Di-Dollari/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339930877&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=pur+un+pugno+di+dollari+blu+ray used from a guy in Italy, for a total of less than $31 USD, including shipping.

Thanks to y'all for your help! I greatly appreciate it  :)

Now I have two more questions:

1) Since the menus are in Italian and I won't understand them, can someone please tell me how to navigate the menu so that I can select the English audio, and then play the movie?

2) I bought this disc for the simple reason that there is more information in the image than there is on the American versions (it is noticeable, on all 4 sides). I want to see the image as Leone intended we see it, without anything cut out of it! This seems to be THE CORRECT version of FOD. So I need to know what the deal is with Leone's other movies:
Do the Italian BR discs/ dvd's of any of Leone's other movies show more information in the image than the American version does? And if so, are those movie(s) region-free with English audio as well?
 
Specifically, I was looking at this Mondo Blu ray disc of FAFDM on Amazon. (Unlike the aforementioned FOD Blu ray, this one is not reviewed on Beaver, so I am gonna need your help).
A) Is there more information in the image than there is on the American dvd/BR? (Even if the information in then image is identical, I may buy this version if the image quality is superior to the American versions, and items B) and C) are satisfied
B) Is the movie region-free? (I know the description on Amazon says it is Region B, but Amazon also officially says that the FOD BR disc is Region B, when in fact only the bonus features are Region B & PAL; the movie itself is region-free.  So I'm wondering if it's the same deal with this FAFDM BR disc?
C) Is the English audio available?




Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 27, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
1) Since the menus are in Italian and I won't understand them, can someone please tell me how to navigate the menu so that I can select the English audio, and then play the movie?

Pretty self explanatory once you load the disc and the menu pops up.

Although this is the best version available and the PQ is stunning and includes an English track. it's not perfect...it lacks lossless English audio. Oh well.

2) Do the Italian BR discs/ dvd's of any of Leone's other movies show more information in the image than the American version does? And if so, are those movie(s) region-free with English audio as well?

As for FAFDM, the Mondo image is cropped slightly but overall a more natural image. Most importantly, it includes the full length beating scene (actually, it is missing approx. 1 sec of footage).  Region free. No English audio.

More info here:

http://www.forafewdollarsmore.net/
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=564548
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 27, 2012, 04:13:58 PM
Pretty self explanatory once you load the disc and the menu pops up.

Although this is the best version available and the PQ is stunning and includes an English track. it's not perfect...it lacks lossless English audio. Oh well.

As for FAFDM, the Mondo image is cropped slightly but overall a more natural image. Most importantly, it includes the full length beating scene (actually, it is missing approx. 1 sec of footage).  Region free. No English audio.

More info here:

http://www.forafewdollarsmore.net/
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=564548
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl

excuse my ignorance, what is "lossless audio"? (i've heard that expression many times).



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 27, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
In a linking mood:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1233

If you don't have a home theater system you probably won't notice much of a difference.

However, if you do...the difference is clear.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 27, 2012, 07:24:44 PM
In a linking mood:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1233

If you don't have a home theater system you probably won't notice much of a difference.

However, if you do...the difference is clear.

I have a 36" HDTV, and I hooked up a pair of small BOSE speakers (the tv sound is pretty bad, so I hooked up the speakers, which are good. Very bassy.

is lossless good or bad?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 27, 2012, 11:41:49 PM
Lossless (formats: PCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Master HD) is great; superior to lossy (Dolby Digital).

When you get the FOD blu-ray, pick your favorite scenes and toggle between the audio tracks. Don't worry about the language difference, just listen to the score, sound effects, etc. and you'll notice that the sound is fuller with the PCM track vs. Dolby.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: stanton on June 28, 2012, 01:43:29 AM
E. g. MP3 is a very lossy format.

A lossless compressed download format is flac.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 28, 2012, 06:22:14 AM
Beaver says that The Man With No Name Trilogy on MGM Blu Ray has a lossless audio, so does that mean that the audio is worse on the FOD Blu Ray that I just bought?

(the lossless audio Beaver is discussing is "a DTS-HD Master 5.1" so he is not talking about the Mono. Is the Mono lossless also? I use the mono audio wherever it is available).


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 28, 2012, 01:31:22 PM
MGM's lossless 5.1 audio is obviously not original. Such a shame they could not offer a PCM or DTS-HD mono track, only lossy Dolby Digital.

Can't blame RHV, they obviously prioritized the Italian language over the English track.

The only source (for consumers) for the PCM mono track is the laserdisc.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 28, 2012, 04:42:39 PM
The main reason I purchased this FORD BR is cuz I was HORRIFIED to see read that on the MGM version, the image is cropped. And it appears to be very significant, on all four sides. That means that until now, I have not seen the image as Leone intended  :'(

As of now, I'm not (yet) nerdy enough to go after region B stuff, Italian audio, stuff like that. But the cropped image bothers me greatly: we haven't seen the full image that was shot and intended to be seen, plain and simple. So if there is any other Leone movie in which the American version is cropped but the Italian version shows the full picture, and is region-free and with English audio, then I'll get that.

Maybe one day I'll have the equipment/knowledge to do my own fan edits, combining the English audio with Italian image (where it's superior to the American image). For now, I'll have to settle for the best commercially-available disc that has English audio, and is playable on my Region A Blu ray player. I'm more than happy to pay for fan edits but I don't know any fan editor; if any of you are willing to sell me a copy of a fan edit, please IM me.

--------

Finally, I have an unrelated but very important question: Is there any reason to get the single-disc bare-bones dvd's of FOD and FAFDM that were released in the late 90'?

FOD http://www.amazon.com/A-Fistful-Dollars-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B00000K0DM/ref=sr_1_4?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1340922899&sr=1-4&keywords=for+a+few+dollars+more+dvd

FAFDM: http://www.amazon.com/For-Dollars-More-Clint-Eastwood/dp/0792839056/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1340923031&sr=1-1&keywords=for+a+few+dollars+more+dvd

The only dvd versions I have of FOD and FAFDM are the MGM Special Edition discs (in The Sergio Leone Anthology boxset). Is there any reason (audio, image, cut) to purchase the single discs as well?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on July 02, 2012, 02:16:35 PM
Dollars Trilogy on Blu for US$ 24.99: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003EYEF2S/

UPDATE: Now it's 19.99!
Now up to $27.99


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 02, 2012, 02:52:55 PM
Now up to $27.99

But you are referring to the official list price from Amazon. Individual sellers are selling new copies for as little as $17.95 (plus about $3 for shipping). I generally buy from whoever is selling it cheapest, with no preference for buying directly from Amazon as opposed to buying from individual sellers  (Of course, there are other factors to consider, including shipping costs -- Amazon sometimes gives free shipping if you order directly from Amazon for over $25; possible sales tax if you order directly from Amazon and live in New York City; an individual seller's negative feedback; difference in price of new vs. used; pre-ordering an item before it is released, etc.)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Cusser on July 03, 2012, 07:25:01 AM
Best Buy advertised GBU Blu-Ray 2-disc for $9.99 last Sunday. 

I don't have Blu-Ray player, have read that BR picture is better but only noticeable on screens like 60 inch or larger, and mine is 46 inch rear projection (9 years old, they don't make them anymore, but nice large forward-facing speakers with great sound underneath the screen.  I'm still going to attempt to put the Frayling GBU audio commentary onto disc, be patient guys.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 03, 2012, 08:51:19 AM
well blu ray technology allows for much more information on the disc -- a dual layered blu ray disc can hold up to 50 GB of information, far more than on DVD's. So the picture is generally much sharper on blu rays. But there are still people who disagree with how a particular movie was done. On GBU, there is no doubt you can tell a difference in the quality/sharpness of the image. But it has been criticized for lack of grain and for using DNR. Also, the faces in the blu ray are very red. The feeling I get from these boards is that many fans are unhappy with the American blu ray of GBU.

I own a 32" HDTV and i see a difference with blu ray. Though perhaps not as big a difference as someone who has a 60" HDTV.


I'd recommend getting a blu ray player; they are so cheap now. I bought a nice SAMSUNG for about $60 online from Best Buy.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on July 03, 2012, 09:25:52 AM
I have a 46" plasma, and I can definitely tell the difference between watching a DVD and a Blu-ray on it.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 03, 2012, 12:16:29 PM
I just received the RHV blu ray of FOD. (I placed the order on Amazon on June 25th from a seller in Italy -- so the shipping was damn fast!)

I just started watching it. The picture looks beautiful. I can't compare it side by side with the MGM Blu Ray cuz can't I only have one blu ray player, but Beaver has comparisons in his review on MGM's Dollars Trilogy blu ray set http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/for_a_few_dollars_more.htm and he also has an extensive, separate review of the RHV blu ray here http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/dvdreviews42/fistful_of_dollars_blu-ray.htm

The main reason I bought this is that there is more information in the image. Specifically, In all 3 screengrab comparisons provided by Beaver, the RHV image has more information on top, bottom, and on the right side. And in the first screen grab(of TMWNN), the RHV clearly has more info on the left side as well.

 In the second grab (of TMWNN and Silvanito), I think the MGM version has more on the left side, and in the third grab (of TMWNN and Silvanito riding in the mountains), I think the RHV has more image on the left side; but the difference on the left side in these second and third images is tiny.


You'll notice in the screen grabs that RHV Blu ray image certainly looks sharper than the MGM Blu Ray in some places. Specifically, in the first and third screen grabs, the RHV image is much sharper IMO; in the second image, IMO the RHV image is too dark, I prefer the brighter MGM image.

So while there's no doubt that the RHV image is better in the first and third screen grabs, the fact that it is darker in the third makes me wonder RHV darkened the image during restoration; again, it gets back to the old question of at what point does making the best color possible cross the line into actually changing the color? And IF the RHV did farken the image during restoration, does that make it a different color than Leone intended? or do you say you prefer the nicest, sharpest color, even if that makes it look different than how the movie would have looked if you'd seen it in a theater when it was first released. To be sure, I am not accusing RHV of darkening the image. I know that many different prints exist of the movie, and no two prints will look exactly alike in every regard. I am just wondering IF they did darken the image, and if so, are they improving or changing how the movie looks?


Interestingly, in the credits of the RHV version, the movie is still directed by Bob Robertson. After the movie did well on its initial run, Leone reverted to using his real name in the credits (although he kept the other fake American names); all the versions of the movie I'd seen previously use Leone's real name. But the RHV version uses Robertson, so I wonder if they either used an older print than the MGM transfer used; or if perhaps in Italy he never used his real name on the credits, it was only in America that he used his real name after the initial run? To those of you who've seen the Italian dvd, does it use his real name or does that say Bob Robertson too?

Thanks to Novocento and Honest Farmer for providing me with the info and advice to make this purchase!



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 10, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
I wrote this review of the movie on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Per-Un-Pugno-Di-Dollari/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341970905&sr=8-1&keywords=per+un+pugno+di+dollari+blu+ray (I think all my info is correct, I hope that Honest Farmer, Novocento will correct me if it's not).

so now I have to turn my attention to the other Leone blu ray discs: I have 'em all, but are there any for which I should also buy the European version? (Again, I'll only do so if the feature is region-free and has English audio)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on July 11, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
Here's a question: can you play the Italian dub with English subtitles?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 11, 2012, 01:30:26 PM
Here's a question: can you play the Italian dub with English subtitles?

yes you can!

But it's just a transcription of the English dialogue, not a direct translation of the Italian dialogue


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on July 11, 2012, 01:38:11 PM
Understood. Thanks. I may buy one of these myself.......


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 11, 2012, 02:31:09 PM
yeah, for the hardcore fan I'd definitely recommend it.

but why are you interested in watching with Italian dialogue and English subtitles?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on August 15, 2012, 04:19:39 AM
I have a 46" plasma, and I can definitely tell the difference between watching a DVD and a Blu-ray on it.

Do you happen to know if it supports PAL signals? I've heard Panasonic and Samsung are generally restricted to NTSC in the US, but that other brands sometimes accept PAL as well (unfortunately the manuals usually neglect to tell you)

I'm thinking of going with Plasma because I don't like the frame judder on LCDs.



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on August 16, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
yeah, for the hardcore fan I'd definitely recommend it.

but why are you interested in watching with Italian dialogue and English subtitles?
The fact that you have to ask such a question is telling.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on August 16, 2012, 02:45:37 PM
Oooooooooohhhhh yes:

http://www.criterion.com/films/28036-heaven-s-gate


BTW tried posting this in the dedicated thread for Heaven's Gate and my laptop informed me that the thread was infected with malware (much like that DYS deleted scene thread)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on August 16, 2012, 02:52:54 PM
Part of this year's Venice Film festival:

http://www.hitfix.com/in-contention/venice-honors-michael-cimino-as-heavens-gate-gets-another-close-up


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: PowerRR on August 16, 2012, 06:37:17 PM
Oooooooooohhhhh yes:

http://www.criterion.com/films/28036-heaven-s-gate


BTW tried posting this in the dedicated thread for Heaven's Gate and my laptop informed me that the thread was infected with malware (much like that DYS deleted scene thread)
Finally! Can't wait to see this one again, my first viewing was awful quality.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 16, 2012, 08:12:00 PM
Oooooooooohhhhh yes:

http://www.criterion.com/films/28036-heaven-s-gate


BTW tried posting this in the dedicated thread for Heaven's Gate and my laptop informed me that the thread was infected with malware (much like that DYS deleted scene thread)

then please PM the moderators and let them know; in the past, when that's happened, I've PM'd the moderators and they've taken care of it. Let's not leave these infected threads floating around  ;)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on August 17, 2012, 06:54:47 AM
Finally! Can't wait to see this one again, my first viewing was awful quality.

Yeh - I bought the Australian R4 release cos it was the only anamorphic one I could find. Even that was pretty bad.

Can't wait for this. I'm sure Criterion will do a great restoration job.

then please PM the moderators and let them know; in the past, when that's happened, I've PM'd the moderators and they've taken care of it. Let's not leave these infected threads floating around  ;)

pm'd


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on August 17, 2012, 09:02:44 AM
Do you happen to know if it supports PAL signals?

Yes ???
No ???


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Novecento on August 26, 2012, 07:58:29 PM
Some good news for anyone shopping for a Plasma TV in the US...

I went to HHGreggs today with my DVD player locked on 576p. I plugged it into their display LG 50PA6500 plasma via HDMI and it worked! The info on the screen even supported it stating the 576p resolution.

Bizarrely, after switching to 480p I was then locked out of the 576p option as it seems I could only set it before plugging the DVD player in, but not during operation.

In any case, it worked. So I bought my first ever plasma TV today :D


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Senza on February 27, 2013, 12:17:23 AM
I wonder when they'll decide to release DYS on blu ray.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on February 27, 2013, 02:46:57 PM
Yes ???
No ???
Sorry! I lost track of this thread. The answer is Yes.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 27, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
I wonder when they'll decide to release DYS on blu ray.

Nobody knows that.

They may need to do a major repair on the audio for the blu ray release (or a dvd re-release). If you look around the threads on the DYS board, specifically the one entitled "DYS soundtrack comparison," you will see discussions about the audio on the MGM dvd possibly being seriously fucked up.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Senza on February 27, 2013, 03:55:34 PM
Do we have John Kirk to thank for that?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 27, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
any problem in the world, is the fault of John Jerk. Global warming, conflict in the Middle East, Hurricane Sandy. It's all John Jerk


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Senza on February 27, 2013, 07:03:01 PM
Then that would mean the SOB killed Sergio Leone.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Senza on March 15, 2013, 07:43:52 PM
SOB, now I'm tempted to double dip.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Rojo Ramone on May 02, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Has anyone here heard  that MGM might redo THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY on BD?
I may have gotten the wrong impression from another forum though.

I can't find the fan dubbed/subbed download for the superior Italian BD so I'm about to order the Italian BD (even though it's not English friendly) but as I'm poor I would hate for MGM to release it later.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: dave jenkins on May 02, 2013, 12:47:45 PM
I haven't heard this rumor. Over on the Criterion Forum board there was some speculation that the CC would be bringing out a multiple version set with improved image, but that's mostly wishful thinking.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: Rojo Ramone on May 02, 2013, 03:07:49 PM
Thanks Dave,
I'll have to see what they're saying there.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Blu Ray News
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 04, 2014, 10:52:39 PM
I just ordered from Amazon the three new Leone BRD's:
–– the restored OUATIA http://goo.gl/L1AqRT
 –– DYS - the first BRD ever released of DYS in USA http://goo.gl/SNkVtc
 –– the new yellow GBU (previously available in a Dollars boxset; now being released as a single disc) http://goo.gl/QkpMei

btw, I noticed something interesting: if you search for "Once Upon a Time in America blu ray" in the Amazon search box, the only OUATIA BRD that comes up in the results is the new boxset. The WB 2011 version doesn't come anywhere on the search results, even in the later pages. The only way to find that 2011 BRD on Amazon is to search for "Once Upon a Time in America blu ray" on Google, and then click on the Google results; one of the Google results (currently the first one) will be that 2011 BRD - here it is http://goo.gl/9yGfAF

I guess Amazon is not allowing that 2011 BRD to come up in the Amazon search because they want to push everyone to buy the new boxset rather than the older single-disc version