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Title: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Nobody on April 03, 2004, 04:35:48 AM
Although not technically a spaghetti, Nick Cave has written a script in spaghetti western style, which will directed by long time friend and collaborator John Hillcoat, and it will be starring Guy Pearce. The film will start shooting in the beginning of 2005, and it should be fantastic (I am after all a Nick Cave-fanatic as well as a spaghetti western fanatic).


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Smoker on April 04, 2004, 03:38:02 AM
Nobody have you read Nick Cave's book
'And the ass saw the angel' ?
Very gothic western feel.

Abie Poe the Preachers entrance is pure Spaghetti.  ;)


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Nobody on April 04, 2004, 03:53:01 AM
Yep, I've read it. Several times, actually. It has an incredible ambiance, and if the new western can capture just a little bit of that, I would be in heaven.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: grandpa_chum on April 04, 2004, 03:34:39 PM
i had never even heard of nick cave until i read this post and i got interested so i looked him up... i read the first 5 or 6 pages of the book you mentioned in an excerpt from amazon and listened to some of his songs and i'm hooked... i have to have this book and i love his music.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Blueberry on April 07, 2004, 02:16:53 AM
Nick Cave writing a spaghetti-western!!! Like you Nobody, I'm a big fan of both Nick Cave and Leone-westerns. This would seem promising, given the touch on many of his records - remember Red Right Hand and Stagger Lee for instance? Now we only need Tom Waits for a part in the movie and a soundtrack collaborator. He's got that touch as well...


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Nobody on April 08, 2004, 07:41:04 AM
Tom Waits...that would be great. In addition to his amazing discography (I can't think of an album I don't like), he is a terrific actor. Have you seen him as Renfield in Coppola's "Dracula". He IS Renfield.

By the way, you should check out the last film John Hillcoat directed from a Nick Cave script, "Ghosts...Of The Civil Dead". A really powerful allegorical prison film. A great performance by Nick Cave to.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Groggy on April 09, 2004, 05:47:46 AM
Nick Cave writing a spaghetti-western!!! Like you Nobody, I'm a big fan of both Nick Cave and Leone-westerns. This would seem promising, given the touch on many of his records - remember Red Right Hand and Stagger Lee for instance? Now we only need Tom Waits for a part in the movie and a soundtrack collaborator. He's got that touch as well...


I love "Red Right Hand"!  That song's too cool for words.  ;D

I shall keep myself ready to hear any updates.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2004, 06:13:54 AM
Hey guys give me a rundown on Nick Cave, never heard of him.  I love Tom Waits been listening to him since 70's, and he was great in Dracula.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Nobody on April 12, 2004, 06:40:33 AM
My favourite Nick Cave album is without a doubt "The Boatman's Call". It's quiet, melancholic, and it is his most personal album, and should tell you as much about Nick Cave himself as anybody on this board can. If you like it, you might want to check ou some of these albums as well: "Your Funeral, My Trial" (early Nick Cave, very different from his later works), "Let Love In", "Murder Ballads" (all songs on this album are stories about a murder, including Nick Cave's biggest hit, "Where The Wild Roses Grow", feat. Kylie Minouge), or you could simply by his best of-compilation: "The Best Of Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds".

His novel, "And The Ass Saw The Angel", has already been mentioned on this board. It is also worth to check out, but if you are going to buy one of his books, I'd rather recommend "The Complete Lyrics", which proves that Nick Cave is indeed one of the greatest songwriters ever.

Nick Cave have also appeared in some films you might have seen. He played himself in the german classic "Wings Of Desire" (Wim Wenders), and his music appears on the soundtrack for most of Wenders' films. His biggest acting part was in "Johnny Suede" (Tom DiCillio), against Brad Pitt. One of his most famous songs, Red Right Hand, sounds like it was made for a spaghetti western, and has been used in many films (most of them crap), including Dumb And Dumber, Scream 1,2, and 3, plus X-files (the TV-series, not the movie). You've probably heard it.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Nobody on August 11, 2004, 08:42:38 AM
Found an article about the film here: http://forums.nickcaveandthebadseeds.com/viewtopic.php?t=1534


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Blueberry on September 01, 2005, 06:32:52 AM
Written by Nick Cave, this aussie western looks pretty promising - great actors, anyway...

http://www.columbiafilms.com.au/theproposition/

heaps'n'heaps of great actors as a matter of fact...


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on September 01, 2005, 04:57:43 PM
Blueberry it looks outstanding, maybe the new SW's will be AuW's, lol.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: grandpa_chum on September 02, 2005, 12:45:28 AM
It does look outstanding... this is a must see for me... Nick cave is one of my favorite writers, Which is actually due to a reccomendation made by someone on these boards a while ago, in a thread about the rumor that he'd be writing this script if I'm not mistaken.

Another western I've been hearing good things about is Tommy lee jones(acting/directing) new film "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada" apparently it's very spaghetti/peckinpah-like.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Blueberry on September 28, 2005, 05:29:57 AM
Some of the first reviews..

The film has received a bit of extra publicity here in Denmark where normally nobody would give a rat's ass about an Aussie-western (except me and around 34 others)
- because Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds performed in the newly constructed Copenhagen Opera House at an Award show - in the presence of the Crown Prince. And my! - he opened with an extremely punky version of West Country Girl - I think the suburban bourgeoise house wifes who love to dig royal events in the telly were really blown away. The unfortunately the channel had to leave the show for the news.

Cave performing at the show was a direct request from "his highness" - who's got an OK taste in music - Led Zep, BRMC, and now Nick Cave. But I don't think they counted on him opening the "opera" show making that much noise... hahaha, that'll teach them. Trying to make Cave fit in a mainstream event.

Here's the reviews:
http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/003369.html
http://efilmcritic.com/review.php?movie=12771&reviewer=128
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117928239?categoryId=31&cs=1

It seems it'll open in Denmark in the spring...



Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Nobody on September 29, 2005, 03:56:15 AM
Yup, I posted some early info on this a long time ago. Cave claimed it would be done in SW style. Early reviews are great, can't wait for this one. Soundtrack by Cave and Warren Ellis is out soon.

Director John Hillcoat and Nick Cave are already working on a new film together, and Cave was actually hired by Dreamworks recently to write Gladiator 2 (no kidding). They rejected his script, by it looks like he might be working more with films in the future.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: HEX on September 29, 2005, 09:56:14 AM
i dont see anything in the link :'(


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Blueberry on October 03, 2005, 03:28:45 AM
That's kinda weird, I do...

But hey, if anything's messed up due to some to me unknown reason, I'm truly sorry and I bow my head in humiliation.

Just wanna see the flick as soon as possible - BTW: Cave stated that writing a screenplay is way easier than writing a song - he just does it, without that much reflection. A healthy attitude in some ways, I suppose.

Reminds me of how Donati turned OUATIW into a working script in 3 weeks after Bertolucci, Argento and Leone had been rambling about references to other movies in no particular order. That's quite an achievement.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: HEX on October 03, 2005, 11:20:46 AM
i dont see jack....



help me out here
what is the title?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: HEX on October 03, 2005, 08:06:45 PM
OH HOW STUPID OF ME!
the proposition is the title.  ::)

sorry guys ;D


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Walton on October 18, 2005, 02:24:34 AM
Ok, this film has opened in Australia and I went to see it on the weekend. The good news - it does have a bit of a Leone-esque feel, probably more OUATITW than any of the other westerns. The production design and the cinematography are outstanding and the film is brutally violent. The casting, costumes and especially the casting of extras with distinctive faces is quite Leone-esque as well. It has a strong Australian flavour which resonates if you live here, but should carry pretty well overseas. John Hurt has a nice cameo as a twisted, nasty bounty hunter and Danny Huston is extraordinary. He manages to bring a depth and sense of enigma to his character that is not on the page. My criticisms of the film - which are pretty minor - are all to do with the script, not the filmaking. I don't want to ruin the film for anyone, though, so I'll keep quiet on this subject. Overall, I would think that fans of Leone and members of this board will find a lot to like in The Proposition and given the lack of new films in this genre, it is well worth a trip to the cinema to see, if only for the look of it, the cast, the locations and some pretty nasty, tough violence. 


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Juan Miranda on November 01, 2005, 07:36:19 PM
Bad news if you live in the UK, I've read today in NUDE MAGAZINE* that the movie's release has been postponed until "early next year". I don't know if this is the case world wide or just, as usual, in this country...

I've been a big fan of Nick Cave's work since his early band The Birthday Party, who I saw live in Glasgow way back in the very early '80's. The most violent gig I've been to, scary, deafening and thrilling all at once. I even met an old flame of his in London last month too, the still lovely Lydia Lunch.

Hope the release delay isn't due to some re-cutting or something?

*http://www.nudemagazine.co.uk/


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Smoker on December 08, 2005, 04:47:50 AM
And The Ass Saw The Angel written by Nick Cave (1990)

Anybody read this? Its Worth a look. Friend of mine lent me a copy a couple of years ago. Couldn't put it down.

Tells 100 years of history of a fictional american outpost (well it could be any world frontier if wasn't for the south west accents) Following a mute boy called Euchrid and his inslur family past and present. Lots of extreme religious imagery like spaghettis tend to dabble in.
Small charactor called 'Abie Poe' is self-made, gun-slinging, horse-riding, raving preacher.
His opening into town is quite ubsurd. All guns blazing, swiviling around on horseback on a special wooden cradle saddle-seat he designed himself.
Its all very spaghetti western. In that way, of Comic-macabre scenes to sublime moments of poetry.



Been waiting along time for the film.. hope its a gooden.

(http://www.lff.org.uk/image_library/11/28/1774.jpg)

Link to the bfi london festival preview showings in october:
http://www.lff.org.uk/films_details.php?FilmID=809


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: grandpa_chum on December 08, 2005, 03:38:08 PM
I have read And the ass saw the angel... it is a great story, couldn't put it down... abie poe is one of the best characters I've ever read about... the stuff in the old broken down church full of bums is great stuff as well.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Smoker on December 09, 2005, 11:29:40 AM
Actually i hope this new film triggers a more wildly available DVD release of Ghost and the Civil Dead (1988)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095217/
Hillcoat and Cave's previous film.. Only ever seen it once on Ch4 long time ago.
very hard to find outside of Australia. It could even be OOP now.
Blue Undergound should snatch it up. Who seem to be going through a Aussie film stint at the moment.



Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 13, 2005, 04:04:39 AM
I saw this advetsied during the LFF this year and wish I had gone to see it, I read mixed reviews of it though.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 07, 2006, 08:08:51 AM
Ignore the reviews, the film's a great one. John Hurt is allowed to wolf down the scenery, never mind chew it, but he somehow "fits" due to some of the more baroque elements of the piece.

That pitiless, Assie light is quite unique, and it's nice to see flies used so well as "extras".


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 26, 2006, 05:52:28 PM
As promised in "the lord of the flies" thread, here's some frame grabs from THE PROPOSITION.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop3.jpg)
Saint John Hurt of Kephalonia chomps on some scenery. As David Hockney said when he was sketching the poet W.H. Auden, "I began to think, if that's how wrinkled his face is, can you imagin what his balls must be like?"

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop5.jpg)
Almost gothic imigary.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop6.jpg)
The incomprable Ray Winstone.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop2.jpg)
Leone like bit players and framing.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop4.jpg)
Guy Pearce is a cheeky Clint.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop1.jpg)
Dude!


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 05:55:53 PM
As promised in "the lord of the flies" thread, here's some frame grabs from THE PROPOSITION.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop3.jpg)
Saint John Hurt of Kephalonia chomps of some scenery. As David Hockney said when he was sketching the poet W.H. Auden, "I began to think, if that's how wrinkled his face is, can you imagin what his balls must be like?"

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop5.jpg)
Almost gothic imigary.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop6.jpg)
The incomprable Ray Winstone.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop2.jpg)
Leone like bit players and framing.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop4.jpg)
Guy Pearce is a cheeky Clint.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Tarkyhitch/prop1.jpg)
Dude!

Thanks to these screen shots(and Juan Miranda's "dude" comment) I will definatly see this film.

when is it out?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 26, 2006, 06:30:45 PM
It opened in UK cinemas a couple of weeks ago. I dunno about the rest of the world?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 06:33:22 PM
It opened in UK cinemas a couple of weeks ago. I dunno about the rest of the world?

Last I heard it would be out in america this summer. I think I read that somewhere on the board... not sure.

What have the reviews been saying about it?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 26, 2006, 07:07:16 PM
What have the reviews been saying about it?

I no longer pay any attention to professional film reviewers, and I stopped buying film magazines about 5 years ago. From my circle of friends, I don't know anybody who's had a bad word to say about it. Not often you can say that about anything. Even my usually Western averse female chums have loved it, or are keen to see it.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 07:59:17 PM
I no longer pay any attention to professional film reviewers, and I stopped buying film magazines about 5 years ago. From my circle of friends, I don't know anybody who's had a bad word to say about it. Not often you can say that about anything. Even my usually Western averse female chums have loved it, or are keen to see it.

I agree with what you say about the critics. But it is always interesting to hear what they have to say about a film. I'll see if I can find a review of the film and put a link up here.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on March 26, 2006, 08:10:56 PM
Here is a reviewer that enjoyed it. That poster is real nice, reminds me of Franco Nero in "Keoma".


http://www.filmfocus.co.uk/review.asp?reviewID=20632

Also I was not aware that it took place in The land down under's "wild west". This should be very interesting.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Sundance on March 27, 2006, 02:11:31 PM
I don't think it was mentioned in this thread yet (although I guess atleast some of you should know about it already), the Proposition is already out on DVD http://www.xploitedcinema.com/dvds/dvds.asp?title=7314 if you don't want to wait until theatrical release. ;)


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Tim on March 27, 2006, 07:31:28 PM
  Well, now I know what the trailer meant by "grisly violence."   :o


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Franks Harmonica on April 23, 2006, 12:32:25 PM
Sorry if this had been discussed already, but has anyone here seen the fantastic Aussie western titled "The Proposition".
It is the finest western in years, and a very fresh approach to the genre.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 23, 2006, 01:27:38 PM
Sorry if this had been discussed already, but has anyone here seen the fantastic Aussie western titled "The Proposition".
It is the finest western in years, and a very fresh approach to the genre.


it should be coming to the states later in the summer I hear.
They are selling it on xploited cinema but I am not about to buy something I have never seen(unless it is a spaghetti western of course ;) )


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Marco Leone on April 24, 2006, 02:55:11 PM
i really want to see it, because i'm a big Nick Cave fan anyway.  But it didn't get shown in my hometown.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 24, 2006, 02:57:55 PM

it should be coming to the states later in the summer I hear.



so is it opt for the summer for us Yanks or what?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Juan Miranda on April 24, 2006, 05:08:31 PM
There's another thread about it here:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2291.0


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on May 09, 2006, 09:21:16 AM
Missed this (out fishing)

Family Ties and Australian History, Both Soaked in Blood, in 'The Proposition'
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By MANOHLA DARGIS
Published: May 5, 2006
The teeth are yellow in the Australian western "The Proposition," and the sky is as red as blood. Directed by John Hillcoat from a screenplay by the darkly moody musician and author Nick Cave, the film tells a story of murder in the outback that is as cruel as it is aesthetically flamboyant. Here flies swarm over the living and the dead with equal attention, perhaps because one doesn't really seem all that different from the other. In the late 19th century, warm flesh and cold meat each appear fairly rancid under the glare of the hot Australian sun, or at least when caught in the similarly pitiless gaze of these filmmakers.

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Guy Pearce portrays Charlie Burns, an outlaw in the Australian outback, in the dark western "The Proposition," written by Nick Cave.

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The wide open spaces and roughneck history of modern Australia, including the wholesale slaughter of the continent's native peoples, make the country a natural setting for a western. Not surprisingly, given Mr. Cave's fondness for the baroquely macabre (one of his recent CD's is titled "Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus"), "The Proposition" takes a jaundiced view of the frontier. That's particularly true of the white settlers, who in both their tooth decay and moral rot come across as more desperate than even Sam Peckinpah's most colorful desperadoes, and who appear fairly indistinguishable no matter on what side of the law they travel. Mr. Cave left Australia years ago, but his native country's penal-colony origins and mysterious beauty have clearly retained a strong grip on his imagination.

Given that "The Proposition" tells something of a national-foundation story, there's a primal, almost biblical tint to its parts. Guy Pearce plays Charlie Burns, who, after riding in an outlaw gang alongside his older brother, Arthur (Danny Huston), is imprisoned by the reform-minded Captain Stanley (a magnificent Ray Winstone). The captain cuts Charlie loose after presenting him with the proposal of the film's title: either Charlie kills Arthur by Christmas, which is fast approaching, or Stanley will hang their teenage brother, a simpleton called Mikey (Richard Wilson). Fortified by alcohol, Charlie rides into the outback, looking for his older brother, a butcher of men whom the Aborigines liken to a dog; fortified by love for his wife, Martha (Emily Watson), the captain uneasily remains behind.

As this lineup suggests, the cast of "The Proposition" is reason enough to see the film. Mr. Huston has carved out his own screen niche as a creepy-crawler, and while his character is at once underconceived and overbaked, given to spouting verse like the poetic creation he is, the actor makes him a wonderfully substantial presence, whether galloping across a plain or sitting Buddha-like in front of the sinking sun. There is something heavy and monumental about the way Mr. Huston takes up film space (in this he can recall his father, John Huston), which makes a nice counterpart to the otherworldly Mr. Pearce, a performer of such apparent delicate physicality and eerie grace that you half expect him to be carried off by the wind.

Both actors are memorable, as is Mr. Winstone, whose surprising, occasionally eccentric performance provides "The Proposition" with some of its finest moments. Sweat pouring off his thick body, matting his hair and spotting his uniform, Captain Stanley seems like a man perpetually out of his element, whether he's squirming under his wife's touch or trying to bring his brutish men to heel.

Boiling over with rage and choked by despair, he appears trapped in existential impotence, yet wages war at everything and everyone around him: his men, the town, the outlaws, his wife, even his own body. Few actors register menace on screen as persuasively as Mr. Winstone, who here directs that menace inward, turning Stanley into one more victim of the land's unrelenting violence.

And unrelenting it surely is. "The Proposition" probably comes closer to the truth than origin stories like "The Patriot," a Hollywood fantasy that turns the American Revolution into a glib action flick. Like some other storytellers intent on setting the record straight or at least a bit less crooked, Mr. Cave and Mr. Hillcoat occasionally and temporarily lose their way by letting the technological excesses of the present swamp the grim excesses of the past.

It is, for instance, hard to say what precisely we are to glean from the image of a man having his head shot to pieces, other than the skill of the special-effects artists and the realization that, in their own grubbily picturesque way, the filmmakers are as beholden to a kind of romance as anyone.

"The Proposition" is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). There is extreme gun and knife violence.

And this one:

NY Daily News

It's brother vs. brother in the Old Outback 
 
Guy Pearce plays an outlaw given an awful ultimatum in 'The Proposition.' 

The Proposition. Australian Western about a lawman's ­effort to rein in an outlaw band and bring civilization to the 19th-century Outback. With Ray Winstone, Guy Pearce, Emily Watson, Danny Huston. Directed by John Hillcoat (1:44). R: Violence, language. AMC Empire, Angelika.
Like the spaghetti Westerns of Sergio Leone, Australian director John Hillcoat's bloody - and bloody good - "The Proposition" is a traditional Hollywood movie shot on another frontier.

Unlike the Leone films, whose Spanish locations stood in for the American West, "The Proposition" was shot where the story is set, in the rugged, fly-infested outback of Queensland where, in the 1880s, the last of the immigrant outlaws known as bushrangers were being rounded up and hanged.

Behind the opening credits of "The Proposition," we see photographs of a murdered family in funereal repose, the bullet holes that killed them still visible on their faces. One of the dead, we'll come to learn, was the pregnant friend of the wife of Morris Stanley (Ray Winstone), a lawman brought from England to tame the area.

The movie then opens with a shootout between Stanley's posse and members of the Irish Burns Gang, two of whom - brothers Charlie (Guy Pearce) and Mike (Richard Wilson) - are captured. But, instead of bringing them in for public hangings, Stanley has an offer: if Charlie will find his notorious older brother Arthur and kill him, Stanley will set the younger brothers free.

The film then splits into parallel story lines: one stays behind with Stanley, who's trying to keep his wife Martha (Emily Watson) safe while he deals with the anger of the man who hired him; the other follows Charlie's search for Arthur (Danny Huston), who's holed up in the mountains.

Despite all the violence that ensues, "The Proposition" is a psychological Western more in the mold of Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" than the John Ford films its stark cinematography resembles. It's about a good man, Stanley, who does bad things, and a bad man, Charlie, fighting his conscience.

With the exception of Huston, a good actor miscast as a menacing psychopath with a literary bent, the cast is perfect.

Pearce, playing a variation on Eastwood's quietly lethal Man With No Name, is a wiry figure wound extremely tight, and without saying much, he projects the emotional tug of war in a man having to kill one brother to save another.

As Morris Stanley, a decent man who regrets having placed his wife in jeopardy but remains determined to finish his job ("High Noon" anyone?), Winstone provides the ultimate conscience of the film.

But, John Hurt, in a cameo as a reptilian bounty hunter, deserves an award for exceeding the call. In his character's death scene, Hurt reads his lines with a fly crawling over his eye. A lesser actor - or a critic - would have yelled "Cut!"

Originally published on May 5, 2006
 
 
 




Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on May 09, 2006, 09:22:52 AM
Family Ties and Australian History, Both Soaked in Blood, in 'The Proposition'
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By MANOHLA DARGIS
Published: May 5, 2006
The teeth are yellow in the Australian western "The Proposition," and the sky is as red as blood. Directed by John Hillcoat from a screenplay by the darkly moody musician and author Nick Cave, the film tells a story of murder in the outback that is as cruel as it is aesthetically flamboyant. Here flies swarm over the living and the dead with equal attention, perhaps because one doesn't really seem all that different from the other. In the late 19th century, warm flesh and cold meat each appear fairly rancid under the glare of the hot Australian sun, or at least when caught in the similarly pitiless gaze of these filmmakers.

Skip to next paragraph
Enlarge This Image
 
Kerry Brown/First Look Pictures
Guy Pearce portrays Charlie Burns, an outlaw in the Australian outback, in the dark western "The Proposition," written by Nick Cave.

Readers’ Opinions
Forum: Movies
The wide open spaces and roughneck history of modern Australia, including the wholesale slaughter of the continent's native peoples, make the country a natural setting for a western. Not surprisingly, given Mr. Cave's fondness for the baroquely macabre (one of his recent CD's is titled "Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus"), "The Proposition" takes a jaundiced view of the frontier. That's particularly true of the white settlers, who in both their tooth decay and moral rot come across as more desperate than even Sam Peckinpah's most colorful desperadoes, and who appear fairly indistinguishable no matter on what side of the law they travel. Mr. Cave left Australia years ago, but his native country's penal-colony origins and mysterious beauty have clearly retained a strong grip on his imagination.

Given that "The Proposition" tells something of a national-foundation story, there's a primal, almost biblical tint to its parts. Guy Pearce plays Charlie Burns, who, after riding in an outlaw gang alongside his older brother, Arthur (Danny Huston), is imprisoned by the reform-minded Captain Stanley (a magnificent Ray Winstone). The captain cuts Charlie loose after presenting him with the proposal of the film's title: either Charlie kills Arthur by Christmas, which is fast approaching, or Stanley will hang their teenage brother, a simpleton called Mikey (Richard Wilson). Fortified by alcohol, Charlie rides into the outback, looking for his older brother, a butcher of men whom the Aborigines liken to a dog; fortified by love for his wife, Martha (Emily Watson), the captain uneasily remains behind.

As this lineup suggests, the cast of "The Proposition" is reason enough to see the film. Mr. Huston has carved out his own screen niche as a creepy-crawler, and while his character is at once underconceived and overbaked, given to spouting verse like the poetic creation he is, the actor makes him a wonderfully substantial presence, whether galloping across a plain or sitting Buddha-like in front of the sinking sun. There is something heavy and monumental about the way Mr. Huston takes up film space (in this he can recall his father, John Huston), which makes a nice counterpart to the otherworldly Mr. Pearce, a performer of such apparent delicate physicality and eerie grace that you half expect him to be carried off by the wind.

Both actors are memorable, as is Mr. Winstone, whose surprising, occasionally eccentric performance provides "The Proposition" with some of its finest moments. Sweat pouring off his thick body, matting his hair and spotting his uniform, Captain Stanley seems like a man perpetually out of his element, whether he's squirming under his wife's touch or trying to bring his brutish men to heel.

Boiling over with rage and choked by despair, he appears trapped in existential impotence, yet wages war at everything and everyone around him: his men, the town, the outlaws, his wife, even his own body. Few actors register menace on screen as persuasively as Mr. Winstone, who here directs that menace inward, turning Stanley into one more victim of the land's unrelenting violence.

And unrelenting it surely is. "The Proposition" probably comes closer to the truth than origin stories like "The Patriot," a Hollywood fantasy that turns the American Revolution into a glib action flick. Like some other storytellers intent on setting the record straight or at least a bit less crooked, Mr. Cave and Mr. Hillcoat occasionally and temporarily lose their way by letting the technological excesses of the present swamp the grim excesses of the past.

It is, for instance, hard to say what precisely we are to glean from the image of a man having his head shot to pieces, other than the skill of the special-effects artists and the realization that, in their own grubbily picturesque way, the filmmakers are as beholden to a kind of romance as anyone.

"The Proposition" is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). There is extreme gun and knife violence.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 01:51:37 PM

Like the spaghetti Westerns of Sergio Leone, Australian director John Hillcoat's bloody - and bloody good -


 
 
 






here is a common mis-conception. Since when are leone's westerns bloody? "Bloody Good" yes, but "Bloody", as in "Blood and guts", no they are not.



*Note*: when is this getting a U.S. release? Is it even going to come here at all?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on May 09, 2006, 05:02:49 PM
Its in theaters in NYC


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 05:04:21 PM
Its in theaters in NYC

thanks Joe.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on May 09, 2006, 05:16:14 PM
no problem,

I think the only standout instances with Leone and blood are to my recollection, Guy Calloway and the hole in his head, Mortimer's sisters self inflicted gunshot wound, in FAFDM, then the two hospital scenes and Union Captain at the bridge in GBU.

DYS I haven't seen in a long time.

OUATIA has some.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 09, 2006, 05:19:50 PM

DYS I haven't seen in a long time.


Me too. But I'm getting an uncut edition thanks to Firecracker!


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
FAFDM is definatly the most violent of the dollars trilogy. However "Fistful" has that machete to the gut scene and the crushing of Mario Brega with the barrel. GBU is the most tame of the three for sure.

DYS is very violent but no blood is ever shown apart from some squibs in one of Mallory's memories.

overall this stuff would not qualify as "Blood and guts".


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 09, 2006, 05:21:42 PM
OUATITW there's blood on victims' bodies but no squibs.

OUATIA has a lot of blood when there's shooting.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 05:22:14 PM
Need to get a cd that will hold two hours and a half!!!!

In the mean time, enjoy "Blindman".


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 09, 2006, 05:30:06 PM
Need to get a cd that will hold two hours and a half!!!!

In the mean time, enjoy "Blindman".

Take your time with DYS. It gives me something good to look foward to.

In the meantime I got Blindman.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: franksgrandson on May 09, 2006, 06:24:13 PM
Right caught the Proposition tonight, not bad not bad at all, Ray Winstone certainly steals the show, the whole movie is gritty and dirty with a sence of realisum.
Austrailain moves are getting better and better these days but this is a Austrailian historical movie, Australia did not have a west in the terms that America had one although there are some parallels, Australia was woven into the British Empire where's America had left all that way behind her by the time the west was won.
The film captures the hard life of the outback and seeths with that original penal colony Austrailian attitude rubbing alongside the constrained Englishness
When on DVD this movie will be added to the collection and I will be giving it a few more runs before gathering my thoughts in full on it


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2006, 06:26:16 PM

When on DVD this movie will be added to the collection and I will be giving it a few more runs before gathering my thoughts in full on it

you can already get the dvd here

www.xploitedcinema.com


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Blueberry on May 10, 2006, 04:04:35 AM
Yup - like a month ago I saw it and enjoyed it. Not many films like this one anymore. Sweat, blood, rotten teeth, dirty bastards, sun, flies, filth, speers - extremely good sound - beautiful, beautiful cinematography. But Cave's script could be better, tighter.

Priceless - Emily Watson's little garden in the middle of the aussie badlands.

Ray Winstone is excellent. Guy Pearce is a bit like a spectator though, he doesn't really get into it - but maybe I need to see it again. Emily Watson on her part is, as always, spot on.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 09, 2006, 09:32:59 PM
Damn good film with a weak ending.

Director John Hillcoat has got everything that a western should have, sweaty faces, unkept hair, bloody gun wounds, bounty hunters, fly infested sets, wonderful camera work, and a good story. Its only missing a good gunfight which its seriously lacking. The gunplay here is mostly just to kill one sole being. Usually the unlucky bastard doesnt know he is being fired at until it's too late. Most of the violence that occurs is mostly the use of melee weapons like knives and spears. Just dont excpect a big gunfight and you'll like this one.

Dont want to give anything away as far as storyline goes so this next paragraph is for the folks who have already seen it...

SPOILERS AHEAD

Wonderful movie but that ending is very off. Why would Guy Pearce's character all of the sudden want to kill his older brother? Yes that was the deal at first but from what you see he was always reluctant and never went through with it. Now you cannot lead me to believe that just because his younger brother died that he would get angry and have a change of heart towards the killing of his own siblings. If anything I would think he would have a vendetta against the Sargeant who allowed his brother to be whipped to death(thereby breaking the promise or "proposition" that was organized in the beginning of the film). But no he kills his own blood for no apparent reason. If he had some transformation before hand then it can be one of two things...

1. I'm a blind idiot and didnt see it.

2. It was poorly written and/or delivered.


those are my thoughts.

SPOILER END


If you have even the slightest interest in westerns(why else are you here?) do yourself a grand favor and check this film out. It opened in select theatres today here in the U.S.

Hurry though! This wont be here for long. I went into the theatre to find that it was empty (which didnt surprise me, its a western after all). The advertisement is doing a shabby job for this one so this wont be here for more than two weeks. Go out and see it this weekend.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on June 09, 2006, 09:41:13 PM
Are there any more Aussie westerns anybody knows about?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on June 10, 2006, 01:37:06 PM
Are there any more Aussie westerns anybody knows about?

Quigley Down Under. Pretty good film, it's a traditional AW but we get a cool spaghetti-style ending so IMO that saved the film.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 04, 2006, 07:21:48 PM
This movie's gonna stick in my head for days...maybe weeks.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 04, 2006, 07:43:02 PM
 *******SPOILERS*********Don't read if you haven't seen the film














I didn't think the ending was at all weak......w/ perfect dialogue.."Enough".......& the only way to stop the rape & murder was...what ya got.
Charlie had left the gang..taking Mikey with him...the "transformation" of character, if you will....had already taken place as the film opened.
Comparisons...& precedents, could be made for Charlie & Arthur ..for example...to Cooper & Lancaster in "Vera Cruz"...as well as Eastwood & Van Cleef in "GBU".
Haunting movie.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 05, 2006, 02:08:58 PM
for BA...

SPOILERS!!!!







Agreed. I saw it three times in the theatre and I think the ending played off better by my second viewing. The transformation was more evident the second time around.

the line that is uttered after Arthur kills the bounty hunter ....

"why dont you ever stop me Charlie?"

is a dead giveaway that at the end...Charlie will indeed stop him.

I would have mentioned my change of heart towards the ending but by the time I saw it again I figured this thread had been long buried and not many people commented on it anyway so...I thought it was best left alone.

As for the up and coming dvd...will I buy it? Not sure yet.
It probably is worth the buy but the film itself I cant call a masterpiece nor can I watch it over and over again (only in the theatre). When it heads down in price I will pick it up. So long as it has some decent extra features.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 05, 2006, 02:20:31 PM
This movie's gonna stick in my head for days...maybe weeks.

did you rent it or something? so that means it's out on dvd?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 05, 2006, 02:25:18 PM
*****SPOILERS*****






I've also come to the conclusion that Charlie & Mikey had left the gang before the rape & slaughter of the family....& Stanley knew that...by the way Stanley talks about it to Charlie...by his conflict in punishing Mikey...& by Charlie's visit to the scene afterwards...I think it's the first time he's been there.
Although I think it'd work either way.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 05, 2006, 02:30:28 PM

SPOILERS!!!!




I'm pretty sure they were present during the rape/murder.
That would have been Charlie's turning point.
at least that is the impression I get.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 05, 2006, 02:55:17 PM
******SPOILERS*******





Yes..it's open to question...that's my conclusion...anyway. Stanley says "You were right to leave your brother, & take Mikey with you". Immediately after..his next line is "What happened at the farm......"
So it's ambiguous...in that he either left before it happened..or perhaps because it happened.
Charlie's riding to the scene could be taken both ways, for sure.
And the climactic scene at the Stanley farm could be pointing to Arthur as the killer & Sam Stote as the rapist.
Or not... :-\


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 05, 2006, 03:13:22 PM
did you rent it or something? so that means it's out on dvd?

Or something...the R2 DVD is out.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 05, 2006, 03:14:22 PM
Or something...
;D


yeah it can be found here.

http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/misc/fanwork/fire/arm.htm


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Amaze on August 06, 2006, 11:04:22 PM
I thought it started pretty good, for a while it seemed to be kinda mystical. but then it went kinda plain and realistic I suppose and lost some of it's appeal. but well worth the watch.

I had no idea nick cave wrote movies btw.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 06, 2006, 11:07:50 PM


I had no idea nick cave wrote movies btw.

I had no idea he wrote music until I saw this. ;D


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 07, 2006, 02:34:48 PM
i got it a couple of weeks ago, but I haven't got around to watching it yet.  it does look like it should be really good though.  and Nick Cave is just such a great writer.  i'm sure it will be fab!!



Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: rddesq on October 28, 2006, 08:24:09 AM
I watched The Proposition on DVD last night. It's an Australien western made in 2005. The movie is excellent and very spagehtti-esq.  Excellent story, deep characters, beautiful cinematography, dark and violent.  I liked it so much I watched it 2 times back to back.  It takes place in the Australian outback during the 1890's or so I would guess.  It was written by Nick Cave.  I strongly recommend it.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Amaze on October 28, 2006, 08:47:53 AM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3270.0

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2291.0


it's a decent movie.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 04, 2006, 07:34:40 AM
It's the best new Western...& I do classify it as a Western, even though it takes place in the Australian outback....that I've seen in years.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on November 04, 2006, 03:39:50 PM
Finally gave it another go and it is a great Australian Western, the cinematography is just fantastic and the action equally so.

Highly recomend it to the board.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 05, 2006, 02:04:57 AM
Saw it in the theatre three times...not sure if it's worth a buy.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on November 05, 2006, 05:38:55 AM
I didn't get to see it in a theater  :-[, but it beats the hell out of recent made for TV dialogue driven westerns the likes of "Broken Trail".

Its got the right elements of realism, atmostphere, ambiguity, cinematography, and landscape. Its a bit high in price for the DVD but I consider it a donation for the creators for more of the same.

We all need to encourage this type of film that won't fit the conventions of our PC world.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 05, 2006, 12:46:58 PM
Any special features?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on November 05, 2006, 04:10:51 PM
Any special features?

I haven't watched them yet but here they are off the back of the box.

Director & writter commentary
5 behind the scenes featurettes
Scene selections
5.1 Dolby surround sound
Previews
Spanish Subtitles
Close Captioned
Photo Gallery


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 28, 2006, 07:42:15 AM
Fri. Dec. 8 1:15 PM  SHOWTIME

Showtime presents some movies correctly...some panned & scanned.
"The Proposition" (2005) is in what used to be, & still is, I guess,  called "Cinemascope".
Panning & scanning will ruin the wonderful cinematography of this excellent Australian Western.
So...if the screen blows up into fullscreen after the opening titles...I suggest that you turn it off & rent the DVD.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: pixelated on November 28, 2006, 10:24:13 AM
i can't imagine watching it in p&s

i can't believe any "movie" channel would still show a p&s of a film like this  ::)


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Amaze on November 28, 2006, 10:32:15 AM
what is the reasoning they use for pan and scan anyway?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 28, 2006, 11:10:54 AM
Oops...just checked a little further..and it's a different "The Proposition"...sorry--->

The Proposition (1998)

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330 SHOW: Friday, December 8 1:15 PM
1998, R, **, 01:50, Color, English, United States,

Longing to have a baby, a sterile 1930s Bostonian (William Hurt) hires a man to impregnate his wife (Madeleine Stowe).

Cast: Kenneth Branagh, Madeleine Stowe, William Hurt, Neil Patrick Harris, Robert Loggia, Josef Sommer, Blythe Danner, David Byrd Director(s): Lesli Linka Glatter Producer(s): Ted Field, Diane Nabatoff, Scott Kroopf Executive Producer(s): Lata Ryan


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Amaze on November 28, 2006, 11:37:25 AM
haha, well well


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: pixelated on November 28, 2006, 11:58:06 AM
what is the reasoning they use for pan and scan anyway?

i believe it is how you get a "fullscreen" or 4:3 movie out of the original widescreen print... for some reason, many americans prefer the image to take up their entire TV screen, even if they are losing much of the picture


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Amaze on November 28, 2006, 12:02:55 PM
some stations do it over here as well. thankfully, I see it happening less and less. perhaps because I dont watch tv anymore  ;)


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on November 28, 2006, 12:44:51 PM
Oops...just checked a little further..and it's a different "The Proposition"...sorry--->

The Proposition (1998)




I figured it was too early...


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 11:50:39 AM
i believe it is how you get a "fullscreen" or 4:3 movie out of the original widescreen print... for some reason, many americans prefer the image to take up their entire TV screen, even if they are losing much of the picture
   Pan & scan came into play, because TV screens couldn't handle the large formats of films. Some stations would show just one person in a shot that originally had 2. It would look like the actor was talking to himself. P&S used to be worse than it is now, you could actually get seasick. Nobody really had a choice about it until DVDs. Fortunately you only see bad P&S in older movie prints on TV and cheap VHS casettes.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Banjo on June 01, 2007, 03:35:20 PM
Finally caught up The Proposition today and yes its a very good but bleak movie.

Its a great looking movie(the rootsy soundtrack is excellent) and some of the imagery is very striking but in terms of style i couldn't really see too many parellels with Leones westerns because as well as lacking the overall humour theres no "Dollars" type gun play nor is one drawn emotionally into it like OUATITW or DYS though some of the acting performances are undoubtably powerful.

Also unlike Leone movies there isn't  a single likeable character that i can relate to,but still,i agree this is easily one of the best recent westerns i've seen.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on June 01, 2007, 05:24:21 PM
agreed, now you have to give Renegade/Blueberry a go!


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
The Proposition - 1/5


Oh God did that movie suck! I was so bored, no wonder why the western's doing so bad now. It's because the new ones are all crappy like this!

Hopefully 3:10 to Yuma will be very popular.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Sonny on July 29, 2007, 12:23:07 PM
The Proposition - 1/5


Oh God did that movie suck! I was so bored, no wonder why the western's doing so bad now. It's because the new ones are all crappy like this!

Hopefully 3:10 to Yuma will be very popular.

Is that the Australian one??

Why did it suck so bad?? I haven't seen it.



Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 12:44:11 PM
Is that the Australian one??

Why did it suck so bad?? I haven't seen it.



Yep, the Aussie western.

I was really looking forward to it. It looked fantastic and everyone was saying it's like a Peckinpah or Leone movie.


Instead, it was incredibly boring. So boring I couldn't wait for it to be over. No interesting dialogue, acting was mediocre at best, plot was boring, characters were uninteresting and under-developed, hardly any action. You're suppose to sympathize for most of these characters because they all face serious moral dilemmas, but it's the complete opposite. You don't care at all about the characters.

The only good thing was the costume designs and cinematography, but it couldn't save this lame-ass film. One of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Sonny on July 29, 2007, 12:51:49 PM
Yep, the Aussie western.

I was really looking forward to it. It looked fantastic and everyone was saying it's like a Peckinpah or Leone movie.


Instead, it was incredibly boring. So boring I couldn't wait for it to be over. No interesting dialogue, acting was mediocre at best, plot was boring, characters were uninteresting and under-developed, hardly any action. You're suppose to sympathize for most of these characters because they all face serious moral dilemmas, but it's the complete opposite. You don't care at all about the characters.

The only good thing was the costume designs and cinematography, but it couldn't save this lame-ass film. One of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.


Wow! It sounds like a horror movie..

Thing is, if not even the cinematography can qualify its raiting to rank higher... it had to be terrible.

that sucks.  I wanted to see it... :-\


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 01:14:21 PM

Wow! It sounds like a horror movie..

Thing is, if not even the cinematography can qualify its raiting to rank higher... it had to be terrible.

that sucks.  I wanted to see it... :-\


Don't let me put you down, give it a try. Maybe you'll like it, our taste in movies could be different.


I know that Firecracker saw Proposition when it first came out but I forgot how he felt about it.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Silenzio on July 29, 2007, 01:33:48 PM
I liked it a lot.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 01:35:49 PM
I liked it a lot.

Really?


Am I the only one who disliked it?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Silenzio on July 29, 2007, 01:37:45 PM
On this forum, I think you're one of the few.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 01:44:04 PM
On this forum, I think you're one of the few.

More like the one and only.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Sonny on July 29, 2007, 06:18:37 PM
Don't let me put you down, give it a try. Maybe you'll like it, our taste in movies could be different.


I know that Firecracker saw Proposition when it first came out but I forgot how he felt about it.

I don't remeber what he told me about it either.  I just know he didn't say anything bad about it.

Still, if you disliked it that much, I assumed it wasn't all that good.
 


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 29, 2007, 06:19:05 PM
Yep, the Aussie western.




I liked it a great deal.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 06:23:32 PM
I can't believe so many people liked it.


I was bored out of my mind. I dunno, guess it's just me, eh?


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Sonny on July 29, 2007, 06:26:38 PM
I can't believe so many people liked it.


I was bored out of my mind. I dunno, guess it's just me, eh?


You were probably just expecting too much..??

Or...


you're just prejudice against westerns that aren't SWs....  ;D

It's either one or the other.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 06:29:38 PM

You were probably just expecting too much..??

Or...


you're just prejudice against westerns that aren't SWs....  ;D

It's either one or the other.

I'm pretty sure it's the first one. I was expecting way too much. Everyone was saying "it's like a Sergio Leone flick!"



I gotta always remind myself that there's only one Leone.   ::)


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Sonny on July 29, 2007, 06:34:58 PM

I gotta always remind myself that there's only one Leone.   ::)


Yes.  And also that people looove to overrate everything.



Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 06:35:38 PM

Yes.  And also that people looove to overrate everything.



 ;D


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: Whalestoe on August 05, 2007, 02:00:11 AM
The Proposition - 8/10

Ah, I was finally able to get my hands on this at work today and I just finished it. What a gem! Nick Cave's script and score is one of the best things to come in a Western in a long time. Simply put, a fantastic film. O0


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: cigar joe on November 03, 2007, 08:07:12 AM
Better with every viewing  O0


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 29, 2008, 08:04:50 PM
Beaver on the Blu-ray disc: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews39/the_proposition_blu-ray.htm


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: moviesceleton on April 14, 2009, 02:44:46 AM
SPOILERS, I guess.

After hearing Nick Cave's Murder Ballads I just had to see this movie. And it is a good one, one of the best westerns in the past twenty years (not the best though). I can't say much that haven't been said already. It's gritty and violent. The Australia setting and the Aboriginals create a somewhat mystical atmosphere. The main problem is that Charlie is too weak a character. Too little time is spent with him, thus his difficult choice is not moving and his final act seems to be coming out of nowhere. If you think about it, yes it probably makes sense, but what matters is that it doesn't stir emotions during the movie. The Stanley couple is very sympathetic but in the last scene they are more like victims and bystanders, and Charlie just comes like a rescuing angel, which is a bad move storytelling wise.

Having just seen Luhrman's Australia, it was interesting to see another kind of take on Australian history. Both involve mystical Aboriginal culture but The Proposition felt more honest whereas Australia was like a advertisement or postcard. In short Luhrman's Australia is like a imaginary land and Cave/Hillcoat's Australia is a real country with real history and real dirt.


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: titoli on April 05, 2011, 01:18:24 PM
I was really looking forward to it. It looked fantastic and everyone was saying it's like a Peckinpah or Leone movie.


Instead, it was incredibly boring. So boring I couldn't wait for it to be over. No interesting dialogue, acting was mediocre at best, plot was boring, characters were uninteresting and under-developed, hardly any action. You're suppose to sympathize for most of these characters because they all face serious moral dilemmas, but it's the complete opposite. You don't care at all about the characters.

The only good thing was the costume designs and cinematography, but it couldn't save this lame-ass film. One of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.

The only thing I disagree with the above is the fact that I wasn't really looking forward to it. I expected exactly what I saw, especially after having heard a couple of "songs" from the screenplayer. And I was about to put an end to the vision after 20 minutes. I wonder how people here can even start to associate SW or Leone with this just because the beards or hair are longer than in Hollywood westerns or people are made to look like they aren't washing themselves or maybe because some of the violence is more explicit. I could spend another 100 lines with what doesn't work woth this crap but I'll save me the effort. Only for Wenders lovers. 3\10


Title: Re: The Proposition (2005)
Post by: noodles_leone on April 07, 2011, 01:34:10 PM
Only for Wenders lovers. 3\10

Lol