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Title: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 21, 2010, 09:39:04 AM
Hi! I am new here.I make museum quality storyboard dioramas in large scale.My  next piece of work will be a tribute to Sergio in static model form.A diorama of a movie set from "Once Upon A Time In The West." Hope you guys like it.Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on August 21, 2010, 02:11:54 PM
lets see some images when you get a chance O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 21, 2010, 04:23:35 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_Onceuponatime043.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=Onceuponatime043.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 21, 2010, 04:36:35 PM
This is a mock-up of the scene that I am planning to do.In this case I am using a model train as a stand in for the larger diorama yet to be built.The scene itself is the opening scene from the film.Right now I am in the early research stages trying to come up with the right composition.I have the special collector's edition of the film and study it frame by frame. Cheers! John. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 22, 2010, 09:56:14 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 22, 2010, 10:00:43 AM

This could be considered my layout for the diorama that I am working on right now.It is made up of five different modules.
2 backyard modules screwed together,surrounded by a building facade module and two lane way modules and attached the same way.The whole thing can be taken apart in minutes.With a little planning the joints can run along fence lines etc.. and never show.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 22, 2010, 10:15:25 AM
 Hi guys! I am new here but have been doing dioramas for a long time.This will be my first RR diorama and will be dedicated to the film and its director Sergio Leone.

This diorama will be for me! Long before other models came into my life their was my American Flyer train ,that I played with for years just on the floor, more than 60 years ago now.
Sergio gave an interview once and told of how his interest in the old west was developed in his childhood probably about 10 years before mine.Like he did I went to the movies and sucked in all that old west mythology,then came home and played out the scenes with my buds or my model train.
As I reach my 70's it seems that I want to re-connect with my long gone childhood and play with my trains again.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 22, 2010, 10:45:17 AM
 .You know it is funny how these creative seeds are planted in your brain.When I walked out of the movie theater 40 years ago after seeing this movie for the first time,I knew something had changed,that I had experienced something that really hit home.I couldn't quite figure it out at the time but I new that I had just witnessed a great piece of Art.I have seen the movie many times since but it was only when I got into storyboard dioramas that I really began to appreciate it .The genre I had always loved since I was a kid, "The Old West", but this film was different from anything I had seen before.
I bought the special collector's edition DVD of the film and began to really study it this time.
This edition not only has the movie itself but you can program it for a running commentary on every scene by knowledgeable film people.
There is also 3 documentaries included.
Maybe its because I am an old fart now but for me this is a wonderful tool that I would of never dreamed of years ago.A university course on film making in a box. "WOW"
When studying this film I sometimes just run it with sound,sometimes without sound and sometimes just the sound alone.I freeze frame compositions that I like and note lighting ,composition etc...I take pics with my digital camera right from my computer screen for research purposes.Never before have artists had all these wonderful tools at hand whenever they need them.It kinda blows me away!Home based artists have never had it so good!Now we too can learn from the masters in an exciting new way.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on August 22, 2010, 09:37:09 PM
Yea I felt the same way after seeing For a Few Dollars More, that was my first intro to Leone, I knew that I had seen something quite different and more magical from the Westerns I had grown up on from Film & TV.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 06:42:50 AM
Well I have changed my plans again,I will build a sound stage.This will give me the freedom to really do what I want.
The story is that for one reason or another a sound stage had to be built. this may or may not have have happened but....in my world it did.Maybe Sergio wasn't happy with a scene involving the locomotive and the station.Rather than go back and re-shoot it it would be much simpler to create a sound stage with a fake train and station.He was a perfectionist so this may have happened in this or another movie of his but it does show the lengths that he would go to to make it right.It makes a statement about his personality which I happen to share.
This will be a story of artistic license in the extreme and how movies are really made.
I plan to cut down the scale of the diorama to just the locomotive and the half passenger car /shack.I think that this is quite enough to tell the story but with the option of adding more modules later on,although this may not be at all necessary.
My locomotive will be a complete fake actually probably only half a locomotive made from wood and tin of whatever.Basically all I need from the kit is the shape and something to weather.
This is definitely a work in progress !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_Onceuponatime048.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=Onceuponatime048.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 09:31:14 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_Onceuponatime057.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=Onceuponatime057.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: marmota-b on August 24, 2010, 10:06:04 AM
Good luck in your work! I hope it will turn out to your satisfaction (because, after all, the author is usually the worst critic of his own work).


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 10:15:24 AM

The first pic has just two subjects on a square.The second pic is three subjects on a circle.I think that I will go with the circle.
Why? the circle idea gets rid of all the boring squareness.It also allows me to add other element to the story that of the robber baron Morton's private car, which I can finished inside and out if I want.It also makes the whole piece viewable from just about any angle.It means that I can eliminate the windmill and water tank and concentrate more on the real elements of the story.I can add things like painted scenery out of Morton's car windows etc...
I can see this whole piece going on a turntable moving a 1 RPM.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on August 24, 2010, 11:55:21 AM
Interesting, but I'm not sure exactly what you are doing and the end result, do you have a completed example from another project that you could post also?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 01:59:55 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Onceuponatime067.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Onceuponatime068.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
In the first of the 2 pics above, the first one gives you an idea of the closest I come with this piece to a front or primary viewing angle.The second pic of the locomotives side will actually will actually be a fake locomotive built for the sound stage.I plan to built only half of the locomotive with the half facing outwards showing the built up structure with all the wooden braces and scaffolding etc...Where you see the piece of tape will be approximately where the empty directors chair will be placed.
The boxcar will actually be the luxury coach belonging to the robber baron Morton, where a lot of the action takes place.On the outside of this car I plan to put a screen about half the cars length long with a phony backdrop of monument valley.
The caboose will actually be where the opening scene takes place and will consist of a passenger car cut in two with a shack built on one end.I also plan cutaways facing outwards, of the insides of the passenger cars.From the inside view everything will look normal as in a real sound stage.
There will be no tender as I want to maintain a good view of the cab with all that  interesting stuff in there.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 04:32:16 AM
The tender is back in ! Like I said this is still an evolving piece.
I figure that it will fit nicely within the 3 foot circle and I can expose the locomotives cab by simply leaving the outside sidewall off.
Remember that this piece is a model of a sound stage with everything on the perimeter showing a behind the scenes look at these models as representations of props used in the making of a film.From the inside where the directors chair is everything appears normal and ready for the actors to walk on stage.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 08:02:34 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_Onceuponatime074.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=Onceuponatime074.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 08:15:49 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Onceuponatime076-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 08:57:59 AM
This is the instruction booklet from the 30 year old used kit that I will be building in G or 1/24 scale (officially 1/25).I will be using only one side of the model and improvising the rest to look like a movie set sound stage prop.The previous owner had it hanging around and offered it to me for the postage plus a small handling free.An offer I couldn't refuse! It looks like an early version of this kit ,so the detail is strong.As far as I know all the parts are there but I don't mind scratch building if I have to.At least it is a good starting point.The G scale passenger cars I should have by the end of the week ,they to are kits by Bachmann.I plan to do a lot of modifying on the cars and finish them inside and out.Like the locomotive they also will be props,with one side open to viewing.Here is where access to doll house parts and pieces will come in real handy for furniture and a Victorian type setting.I will be taking lots of pics from my DVD of the movie for reference,it can't get any better than that.
The 3 foot circular design is a nice size to work with and my wife is very happy to hear that once the four aircraft museum pieces are gone she can have a lot of our house back again.This old back of mine will also be relived to know that it is the end of the really big ones !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 02:23:00 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Onceuponatime084-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on August 25, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
Ok the central viewing angle location clears up a lot. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 05:20:56 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2010, 05:53:08 PM
For the HO scale mock-up I like this arrangement the best so far,the white circle represents 3 feet in G scale.The plywood circle is the max base width which would bring the whole thing to over 4 ft in diameter,somewhere between these two circles will be the finished product including base.What looks OK in HO scale may not look so good in G,so I will put off the final decision for now.The loco will go on curved track and the other two on straight track.The final placement of the last element, the empty directors chair ,I will decided upon later.
The nice thing about this arrangement is as the diorama slowly turns you will constantly see a prop, as well as a finished image ,constantly changing.
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 26, 2010, 05:10:37 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 05:21:44 AM
This is the actual kit that I am building.It will be a starting point only with lots of changes to make it into a movie prop. I bet Sergio would have loved to have this real old west locomotive on his set.It would have saved him a lot of artistic License. ;)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 05:51:43 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Filmpics027-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Filmpics027-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Dust Devil on August 27, 2010, 05:53:00 AM
Looks really nice! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 06:00:41 AM
This is the locomotives cab.Lots of good detail to work with here. Although I don't recall any film scenes involving the cab I will build it anyway for interest sake. A lot of what you see here will be replaced with wood and brass fittings.What these models provide for me is a good starting point and reference .The model manufacturer went to a lot of trouble to research all this stuff so it saves me a lot of time.Any inaccuracies I chalk up to artistic license and let it go at that.In my world all things are possible !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 03:50:59 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Gscaletrains007.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 04:08:56 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Gscaletrains005.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 04:20:47 PM
This is the Bachmann  1/22 scale old west passenger coach.The figure is 1/24 scale.The interior will be completely removed and replaced with wood,only the shell will be used. The exterior will also be replaced with wood.
I think that I will first build the opening scene from the movie which consists of half a passenger car with a shack built on the end.It is very run down and heavily weathered.The other passenger car will be turned into a luxury coach with all the Victorian  trimmings.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Film%20pics/th_Filmpics016-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Film%20pics/?action=view&current=Filmpics016-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2010, 05:19:27 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2010, 06:02:03 AM
The first step was to take it all apart and remove all the lighting fixtures.I have been very glad to find that this passenger car is built to 1/22.5 scale which is close enough for me to work with without having to change too much of the overall size.When I am finished very little of the plastic will be visible as I plan to use a lot of strip wood ,coffee stir stiks,tongue depressors and  veneer and whatever else I can think off.I will next have to decide on just how much of this shell I will have to cut away.From one side it will look completely normal but from the movie set side it will be fake.
1/24scale also opens up a whole new world of furniture ,parts and fitting supplies that are adaptable from other genres of modeling.My motto when making dioramas is "buy what I can and built what I must".I like to put lots of detail in my stuff so this may take years to complete the whole diorama.In the ten years that I have been building dioramas for the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa in 1/16th scale,I have so far completed only three and a half dioramas(the half is the one that I am completing now) and I work at this stuff just about every day.
I am really looking forward to learning  about railroading as it is completely new to me.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: marmota-b on August 28, 2010, 07:37:16 AM
Is that really a passenger car in the beginning of the film? I did not think so. Maybe it just doesn't look like it in the film, but... hm...


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2010, 05:06:05 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains010-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains010-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2010, 06:03:44 PM
As you know this diorama has two completely different sides to it. One side will be for outdoor shots of what looks like a real passenger car.The other side will be a movie set.
In this pic you can see the beginnings of the set side.The smaller of the two openings is the door used in the opening scene, but film was taken from inside of the car or on another set altogether.The other larger opening may only be temporary until I figure out how much of the passenger car(if any)was here.In the movie I cant recollect anything here at all just the shack built over top.The shack seems to take up about half of the scene.It is supposed to be a real early station that is for cattle and passengers,long before a more permanent structure could be built and it consists of anything that happened to be handy while they were pushing the railroad through the area.
I have never seen a real film set so I will be using my imagination on how the various shots were taken.
This sure is a lot of fun to do as all the reference I need(except the set itself) is right there in the movie which I can view frame by frame whenever I want to


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2010, 06:27:42 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2010, 05:27:16 AM
The plastic in these Bachmann cars is perfect for bashing.It carves well with both hand and power tools and does not clog up your burrs at low speed.It is flexible enough to stand some pretty rough handling and doesn't scratch easily.It sands well with not to much airborne dust around.There is a warning on the box however so a good mask and other safety stuff would be advised ,especially when working indoors.I should have no problem working with this stuff at all.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2010, 11:19:04 AM
This door on the set is open so I cut it out with the Xacto knife and plastic cutter thingy.In this era did the doors open inward or outward ? I wonder....maybe I can find a frame from the movie that will tell me .(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains014.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains014.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on August 29, 2010, 02:44:07 PM
I think inward would make more sense


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2010, 05:52:08 PM
Yeah.I think you are right, cigar joe :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2010, 06:25:02 PM
The fellow who owned "The General" kit many years ago had already painted up the base so I am using it here to sit the old coach on with the railway tracks running through the middle.Judging by the distance between the old coach's original floor and the rail ,there are no wheels at all on it but it is only resting on the track.Cool idea because right away you know that this flick is about a railway.
I opened up another hole on prop side because there was a little room built off to the side next to a brick wall which is part of the shack.
On the set side I will have to open another large hole and move the car's wall outward to become part of the shack's wall.Clear as mud right ! Well I hope to get this done tomorrow and a pic posted when finished.I temporarily put in the WC and wood stove to see how it looks.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2010, 06:47:38 AM
Some of my buds online have expressed an interest in seeing this Movie.If you do be sure to get the original 3 hour letterbox edition.Hollywood made a two hour version and hacked it to death.Better still see it on the wide screen to get the full impact of the cinematography.
Don't even bother wasting time on the 2 hour Hollywood version,it is like viewing half a painting and then trying to understand whats going on.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2010, 04:50:41 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2010, 05:25:59 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2010, 06:40:16 PM
The mock up in HO scale is three feet. in G scale (1/24) the outer plywood circle is four feet .Somewhere between the two will be the final diameter.The G scale cars on the40" table  looks about right to me.
I have added the shack to the HO mock-up. In G scale it will be lower  than shown here as the car will not be on its wheels.
The logging car represents the yet to be built locomotive with tender and the box car will be Morton's private luxury car,also yet to be built. If somewhere down the line I decide to add more of the sound stage, modules could be added around the perimeter.
The last pic is a mod I have made to the station by cutting out a portion of the cars wall ,pushing it outward to create a  door, and adding a ticket wicket as in the film.The shack will be built over this portion of the  car for now and changed later if required.
The passenger car has been completely gutted to get it ready for its new(old) interior.I think that I will start with the cars curved ceiling in plywood for now,later I can add individual boards if I want. I am assuming here that the passenger car was not cut completely in two and the ceiling of the car extended the full length of the shack as well.
There are over head drapes that roll down to presumably cut down on dust entering the passenger car half in a wind storm( in real life.)The shack was required to provide air and shade from the desert sun,rain of course would only be an occasional problem.The whole thing is heavily covered in dust,should be loads of fun weathering this.All that rough cut lumber will be quite a challenge to simulate in scale as well.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 05:18:00 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 06:29:44 AM
I thought that I would start with the ceiling and do something new for a change to see how it works out.Instead of plywood I used cardboard to cover the ceiling.I took an old box and measurements from the model and cut it to fit.An xacto knife with a #11 blade is best for this as it leaves a nice clean edge.I sealed the card using my standard 2/3 lacquer ,1/3 lacquer thinner mix and applied it with a soft brush.When dry I then used some burnt umber gesso as an undercoat.For those not familiar with gesso it is a medium that artist have used for centuries as a sealer for canvas,wood etc..and can be picked up in any art store usually in white, gray,burnt umber and black.I thin mine down with about 25% distilled water (although most tap water will do) I then apply this with a soft brush over the dried lacquer on the side to be painted.Usually about two coats will do and let air dry.Drying can be hastened up by using a hair dryer but don't hold it too close to the surface or you will fry your paint.Normally, gesso because it tends to be applied a little thicker, is best air dried as little cracks can form on the surface if dried too quickly.The great thing about gesso is that it sticks to about anything and anything sticks to it acrylics,oils whatever.It also dries flat with no shine,if you want a little shine you can add a little varnish medium.The trouble with most paints is that they dry too shiny,especially for figures but we will get into that later.
I then glued it to the ceiling using two part epoxy.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 07:16:47 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_Gscaletrains018.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains018.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 12:08:21 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains021-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains021-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 05:07:14 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
 Because this diorama could be years in the making,rather than me posting a bunch of pictures which just takes you to my photobucket anyway ,I will post my photobucket site address only ,the occasional pic I will post direct to the thread.In the text of my posts I will identify the picture number that I am talking about.This should make it easier for everybody including me.I plan to add a lot of "How to's......" to this thread as my way of doing things maybe a little different than most, which you may(or may not) find interesting.Thanks. Cheers! John. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2010, 07:21:16 PM

Weathering wood,everybody seems to have a different method here is mine.
The woods I generally use for model making are basswood,pine , birch tongue depressors and various sizes of coffee stir stiks.In pic 024 in my G scale album you can see the different types that I have collected till now.They are very strong. The raw wood has only been highly polished.
I like the barnsiding look and this is the way I do it.
Mix up a thin wash of paint using flat acrylics. Why flat acrylics ? because there is no varnish in them, to make the paint shine and who wants shiny barnsiding.For this wash I use Nimbus Grey with a touch of Raw Umber added plus lots of water.I brush this on the wood letting it soak into the raw wood.Do not use a sealer at any time during this process.After 2 or 3 thin coats you should have a nice gray with some of the wood grain showing through.You want to take advantage of the transparency of acrylics for this technique.When happy let the wood dry or use a hair dryer to speed up the process.This wood is now ready for use and should have an aged look about it. To be cont....


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 02, 2010, 04:06:44 AM
I have used both acrylic paints and some chemical weathering products that end up look pretty good, I'll find the name of it and post it here. This ballon's eye view of the diorama of  Ft. Hindman at Arkansas Post had the weathering chemical used on the casements, interior walls, cannon platforms & buildings. A bit hard to see in this overhead.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/Arkansas_Post.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 02, 2010, 05:39:18 AM
......because of its transparency it is necessary to hand select each piece of wood used for color,grain,unwanted out of scale imperfections etc.....
With this station /passenger car I have lots of leeway with the wood but remember that at one time this was a functioning RR car, so I will build it aged but some of the original car will still be there.When I get to building Morton's luxury car when using various hardwoods ,I will have to be much more careful with both the miniature carpentry and wood finishes.
OK so now we have a lot of stained wood of various wood tones and grays.Now we will have to decide whether or not to take the weathering process a little farther at this point or not.If you will always have easy access to the wood like on the outside of a shack wall ,go ahead and use it as is, but if it is inside in a confined area you can take it a few steps further at this time.
(With this method no airbrushing is required and the methodology is very forgiving of mistakes.)
Get an old toothbrush with stiff fine bristles,then mix up a very thin wash of raw umber and water.Raw umber is best for this step as it makes for a nice representation of mud flecks,fly sh.t etc...Dunk your toothbrush in the mix and flick off most of the contents onto a sheet of paper with your thumb.When you get down to a very fine spray then flick it on your work ,either board by board or section by section that you are working on.If you have prepared your boards properly it with instantly sink into the wood and dry very quickly.Keep doing this until you are satisfied ,and remember some boards that are close to the ground may require a gradual change in intensity top to bottom.Later some may even require a little mossy green were they come in contact with the ground.
to be cont.......


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 02, 2010, 05:42:15 AM
Very nice diorama cigar joe! it must have taken a lot of research to get it looking so realistic. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 03, 2010, 09:13:34 AM
......On the areas where you may only have restricted access to later on, you may want to do some of the detail now such as dents, nicks, scratches,putting up old of new signs,making rusty nails and nail holes and pre-shading with chalk pastels.
With the use of pastels on dry unfinished rough wood, this is where my method is a little different than most.On most surfaces chalk pastels will easily rub off but on rough wood surfaces they are quite permanent as is, with no fixative required.Remember I am doing a diorama here, so it is just to look at.If I was using the same method on shiny plastic that is meant to be handled,I would roughen up the surface to get a little tooth in it before applying the pastels and then use a pastel spray fixative over that.I will mark that on my list for further experimentation.

For now lets just deal with the barn siding look.OK so now we have this gray transparent surface with a little wood color and grain showing through.Perfect! Lets add some nail holes and rusty nails which is common with most old wood.Find a pattern that you like or just put a few here and there but remember you are probably( in real life )nailing into joists or studs which will create its own pattern.Rather than have a whole bunch of old boards with a straight line of nails running across them which is boring,you may want to create a different pattern.I often use a kind of zig-zag pattern to avoid this.......to be continued(the doorbell is ringing!) :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 04, 2010, 06:34:27 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains027.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains027.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 04, 2010, 07:21:02 AM
For the area between the side of the ceiling and the cars wall,I decided to use some paper backed wood veneer,in this case maple.Rather than use  glue I used florists wire to secure it to the plastic.I try to stay away from toxic glues as much as possible.Once I get the basic wooden frame up I can go back to using the regular carpenters glue on the rest.
Paperbacked Veneer is great to work with as you can cut it cleanly with a pair of scissors or Xacto blade.The glue between the paper and the wood acts like a vapor barrier so their isn't much warping when using water based carpenters glues.The glue when dry is also waterproof.
Over this I have stared to apply the aged tongue depressors using pegs to secure it down while drying.Once I get the basic framing finished I will feel much better again getting back into woodworking territory.These plastic cars are great as a starting point and have saved me a lot of time getting to this point.The basic framework for Morton's luxury car will be a lot the same except it will be finished in polished hardwoods and brass.

For step by step photo's see my photobucket album "G scale trains"


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 04, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2010, 06:11:51 AM
Using the smallest coffee stir stiks in my arsenal ,the movie side sheathing has begun.First I cut out some veneer and glued it over the plastic, over that I glued the vertical sheathing which is slightly larger that that depicted on the model.The outward side has been aged a bit and will be finished later as in the film.
I really don't know how this set was built for the movie and of course you don't see any of it in the film.I don't know of any pics that have survived of the actual set so I will just have to use my imagination here.
I am assuming that a real old railway car was used and a set built around it.I am probably wrong about this but using an old car makes it more interesting for my purposes and I think for my RR buds following this thread and gives me a great place to start.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2010, 09:00:04 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/th_oldRRcars.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/?action=view&current=oldRRcars.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 05, 2010, 09:31:40 AM
Hey there,JohnReid! Remember me from the Old West Forum?   I'm checking in to see what you're up to now. The others on that forum aren't interested in your project,but I am.   Theresa 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2010, 02:54:36 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains035-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains035-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2010, 02:59:58 PM
Hey there,JohnReid! Remember me from the Old West Forum?   I'm checking in to see what you're up to now. The others on that forum aren't interested in your project,but I am.   Theresa 
Oh Hi Theresa ! I am happy that you are enjoying my stuff.This is a great site here,dedicated to the man himself. Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 05, 2010, 03:14:53 PM
I've been looking at the photo album. I know it's going to take a while to complete. You're doing a good job. I have no doubt that you are enjoying yourself. Have fun! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2010, 03:48:17 PM
I came across this pic just today.Wow ! great timing as I had just started to sheath the movie side of this car with wood.Although it is not exactly like the car in the movie it sure is loaded with research info.
Like Sergio I love detail,attention to detail was one of his great strengths.
The trick here is to maintain enough of the original passenger car while aging it.Some of the original carpentry on the car was of high quality and must be retained while a lot of the added stuff looks like it was just slapped up there any old way but you and I know that everything there was precisely planned to be there.My diorama is not meant to be an exact copy of his film sets but something similar.
The wood siding that I put on the model today was treated with a couple of washes of the gray mix.Some edges were left broken on the ends. Remember old breaks can be aged too but new breaks should show a change in color back to the original wood.
I left enough of the windows outline to identify this as an old passenger car which is an important consideration as you want your viewer not to question what it is.
I then took a sharp needle and added some nail holes not in a pattern but not just randomly either. Then I took a sharp HB pencil and added a little graphite to each hole to make it look like a nailhead.Later when finishing the weathering I will add a drop of water to each hole which will swell the hole back level again but leaving behind something that looks like nails.I will then add some rust and have it running into and down the wood.The whole thing will be softened using pastels which are put on last after all the handing is over but that is still a long way down the road.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 05, 2010, 06:57:38 PM
You came upon a nice find,my friend. Someone wants you to do this project...   Theresa


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2010, 06:54:59 AM
Need help!I am looking for pics of the interiors of early American RR passenger cars from 1860-1890 for a diorama that I am building.Thanks guys! Cheers .John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2010, 06:56:53 AM
You came upon a nice find,my friend. Someone wants you to do this project...   Theresa
Yeah,I often get that feeling. ^-^


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 06, 2010, 10:51:59 AM
Do you get Trains,Classic Trains or Model Railroader magazines?  They have good articles and lots of pictures to go by. They have just upgraded the website and is much more user friendly for those who subscribe to the magazines.   www.trainsmag.com   It might help with your project.   Theresa     Happy Labor Day!!!  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2010, 06:41:32 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains041-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains041-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2010, 07:20:52 PM
This is the interior of the same wall.I placed the rough cut boards horizontally because if I decide to light the car from above it will have a more dramatic effect.I covered over all the windows except one which will have shutters.(mostly for my  picture taking purposes) These boards in real life would have been put up there in an attempt to make this area livable.The interior will be weathered but not to the extent of the outer side.How this car got there is not really explained in the movie.It looks like it got there in pretty rough shape to begin with.Why ? because if the railway was just pushing through this area, where did an old weathered rail car come from? It could be that its present resting place ,is just its final resting place , at the end of a long hard trail across the country.(maybe on a flat car)Anyway that is my story and I am stickin' to it !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2010, 07:26:05 PM
Do you get Trains,Classic Trains or Model Railroader magazines?  They have good articles and lots of pictures to go by. They have just upgraded the website and is much more user friendly for those who subscribe to the magazines.   www.trainsmag.com   It might help with your project.   Theresa     Happy Labor Day!!!  :)
Hi ! I really am not that much into railroading and only from a diorama perspective.Maybe some day we will have a diorama magazine ! I think that I can get what I need off the web.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 06, 2010, 07:36:25 PM
No problem,just thought I'd ask.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 07, 2010, 07:47:37 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/th_oldRRcars69.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/?action=view&current=oldRRcars69.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 07, 2010, 07:50:24 AM
This pic taken in the 50's looks strangely familiar,I wonder if Sergio got some ideas from visiting Disneyland?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 07, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
Walt Disney was a railroad buff. He attended every steamtrain convention he could. He modeled his Disney train to look like the General and steamers of that particular time.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 07, 2010, 04:22:58 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains049.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains049.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 07, 2010, 04:59:52 PM
Not to get too picky but you do realize that the rail gauge in Spain was broad gauge. I believe either 5 foot or 6 foot. This is a good illustration of Standard & Broad Gauge. This is the broad gauge Erie RR 1879. A broad gauge work train of empty gravel cars is paused on a temporary siding waiting to be backed into the track at the far right to be loaded by a steam shovel. To the left is a double track main line. This particular double track section was also used by the standard gauge Lehigh Valley RR, so an extra rail was laid between the Erie tracks to accomodate the Lehigh Valley trains both used the left side rail of both tracks.

(http://img3.exs.cx/img3/1433/ErieBroadGauge.jpg)

And the link to the topic is here:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=315.0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 07, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
I almost  finished the interior ceiling ,the only thing left will be to do some shading with pastels after the sides are finished.I used some long thin coffee stir stiks and painted on some very thin nimbus gray /raw umber mix (95% gray,5% raw umber).I then glued them on with carpenters glue to the underlying cardboard roof that was pre-painted burnt umber .I left the boards really rough and warped for the aged look.When dry I took a pin and created holes in the wood in a random fashion, as though somebody had quickly nailed them up there at some point in the cars history ,for insulation purposes.I then used a ordinary HB pencil and twisted some graphite into each hole to represent a nail head.With a small brush I then took some very thin raw umber and put a small drop on each pin hole to swell the wood level again and add a little color.Next I mixed up a very thin wash of raw umber and with a stiff bristle tooth brush I flicked on some of this onto the ceiling.You could also have handy a thin wash of the gray and flick this on if things get too brownish.The trick here is knowing when to quit and not cover all of the underlying wood grain.
The next couple of steps require that you be subtle in your work and don't over do it.Take a thin burnt sienna wash and with a very small round brush randomly put drops onto the nails to represent varying degrees of rust.Rust you say!! in the desert? Well like I said earlier this car only ended up here.
Let it dry ,and then you can come back with another small brush and soften the rusty edges using a little burnt sienna chalk pastel.Also the ends of the boards tend to soak up a little color too.Now stand back a take a look If your not happy with the look you can always come back and flick on some more gray or raw umber if you want more color or to slightly change a shade.Here again you can play with this all day if you want.Have fun! The pics in my photobucket covers each of the steps involved.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 07, 2010, 05:58:09 PM
Thanks for the info cigar joe! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 07, 2010, 06:28:28 PM
Details!  O0   Keep going,you're doing great!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 08, 2010, 05:06:03 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains051-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains051-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 08, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Here we are getting close to the finished product.I added a little shading using black pastel applied very lightly with a small soft brush(kind of a miniature make up brush).Try to be very subtle about this ,try not to overdo it.
If you blow up the picture(all my pics are 2 megs at least) you will see that the underlying wood grain is still there which is most  important for this technique.Each piece of wood retains its individual pattern and color ,no two are alike.
When I come to doing the luxury hardwood stuff on the other car, I will use no paint or stain just the natural colored wood, hand selected for grain,pattern and color. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 08, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Looking pretty good there! If I didn't know better,I'd say it was the real thing! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 09, 2010, 04:35:20 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Film%20pics/th_Filmpics007-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Film%20pics/?action=view&current=Filmpics007-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 09, 2010, 05:07:24 AM
This is the opening scene from the movie and is from the film set that I am constructing now.It looks old and chaotic  but everything here has been purposely selected for maximum impact on the viewer.Nothing is square or at right angles to the other.The colors,the lighting,the textures,even the old clothes line wheel, all  have a role in creating the scene.The drama is created by the anticipation of who is behind the door ?What better way to open a film than the opening of a door ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 09, 2010, 07:58:28 AM
..... and get the bejesus scared out of you!  Good way to get the film started. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 09, 2010, 04:28:56 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains057-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains057-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 09, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
Lookin' good!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2010, 04:54:07 AM
This is about the most you ever see of the other side of the set,taken from a camera high angle near the water tower.The wicket /WC (every station needs one)was created with original parts of the model.On the  inside of the window was the old telegraph machine that got on everybodys nerves and was ripped out by a baddy.On a old railway car  bench on the outside was where the now famous "fly on the face" scene took place.Next up will be the shed to be built over top of the old car.This should be fun!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2010, 05:10:50 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains059-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains059-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2010, 05:51:21 AM
I have a choice for set #2 ,Morton's car.I can use another passenger car like the one I am doing now or use this Bachmann passenger/baggage car.I am assuming here that they adapted an already built car for movie making purposes.It probably never happened this way but I like the idea ! This car will be on its wheels and a set built around it.
If I use the baggage car I will use one side of the already built car and adapt it to my purposes.It will not be the exact car from the movie but my interpretation of it.The passenger car section and part of the baggage area will be movie set.The rest of the baggage area will be  a staging area.
I like the paint job as is ,except I will be modifying it .Most of the green I will keep but will matte spray it with acrylic sealer and then finish it using pastels.The roof area will be matte black including the area with the RR letters,I will replace them with something more appropriate. The car will be broken down and gutted so only the shell remains.The interior will be in Victorian luxury style with elements from the movie and the Disneyland train.I will install the unique brass tubing near the ceiling that Morton used to move around the car.On the prop side I will put a backdrop of Monument Valley to add to the atmosphere.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 10, 2010, 10:02:53 AM
Sounds good to me.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 10, 2010, 12:58:21 PM
One thing at least I noticed on Morton's private rail car was the lack of a clerestory roof.

Most US passenger cars had that raised center portion along the length of a roof. with “clerestory windows” along the sides to allow natural light into the car. I'd have to pop in the DVD to see if there was one present on the other cars.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2010, 06:22:07 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains074-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains074-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2010, 06:29:16 PM
Hi cigar joe ! oh it is there alright represented by those horrible pink windows.I will be changing them for clear glass.Thanks! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 11, 2010, 04:29:09 AM
Hi cigar joe ! oh it is there alright represented by those horrible pink windows.I will be changing them for clear glass.Thanks! :)

No, I meant in the film itself on Morton's private car there was no clerestory roof if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 11, 2010, 04:43:28 AM
I have doubled the set side of the train station /shacks width to be more like it is in the film.At first I thought it maybe was too wide but I set everything back up on the 40 inch circular table I use for reference at it looks fine.A mock-up cardboard roof has been added to work out the dimensions and angles.Because the cars roof is blocking any view of the shacks roof interior I can fake the roof and use well lacquered cardboard.I want to build it with a slight curve in it and then sheath the exterior with wood tongue depressors.The set side of the roof will be faked with only the ends built to a point where  max camera angle would reveal it as such.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 11, 2010, 04:49:28 AM
Oh! I now see what you mean I will have to check it out! Thanks for the heads up. O0
Sometimes it gets confusing when talking about reality,the movie and the model. :-\


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 11, 2010, 05:56:20 AM
You know the modern dioramist (word?) is soo lucky ! I am surprised that more of us haven't really used all the tools available to us for research and especially for visual playin' around.Sitting here at my computer I have available to me, in my own home,all the possible visual reference I could ever want.I can scan for the minutest detail and teach myself things that only a few short years ago you would have to go to film school for and even then it would be filtered through a teacher who has his own biases.
This is really the golden age for visual artists who want to take advantage of all the tools now available to them.
I never in my wildest dreams thought that this level of research was possible until just recently.When I was a kid going to the Saturday movies, my buds and I would come home and act out what we saw in the movies.Endless hours of childhood arguments over who did what or how, can now be solved instantly.
This may or may not be a good thing for our childhood imaginations but now at least we can get on with playing the game. :)



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 11, 2010, 10:37:57 AM
Imaginations,that's what the youth of today and Hollywood lack.  Okay,back to topic. Watched the movie last night.I was glued to the set.  Now I understand why the movie and Leone have such a following.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 11, 2010, 12:51:19 PM
I hope you watched the 3 hour version, as the 2 hour Hollywood version is hacked all to hell!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 11, 2010, 03:31:56 PM
The 3 hour version. Plus some extras on another disc.  Too bad I have to take it back to the library.  We watched it again today. One of the best westerns we've seen in years. BTW,we've had the Dollars trilogy for years. Three more wonderful Leone films.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 11, 2010, 05:58:25 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 11, 2010, 10:13:41 PM
It's taking shape. Doing a good job!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Moving on to the shack portion of this RR diorama I am starting to put up the roof rafters and boards.I want to make both the cars roof and shack roof detachable for ease of working on and any future maintenance that may be required.
I want this roof to look old so I put a little sway back in the beams.The wood was bent by simply steaming it a while over a stove top pan,then I took an old curling iron ,heated  it up and hand bent it over the round tip.The center beam and rafters were then cut to length and installed right on the model.For this I used extra thick crazy glue to tack it all in place.Generally I don't use a lot of CA but for this tacking operation it really is the best way to go,from here on I will use the yellow carpenters glue as I am sensitive to the CA's fumes.
This shack is a lot of fun to do,it is easy in one aspect as exact standards are not required due to the nature of what I am building but then again you really have to study your references to make it look right.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2010, 05:57:17 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 12, 2010, 10:32:01 AM
Please be careful with those CA fumes.  I get sick everytime I caulk,so I kinda understand where you're coming from there.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2010, 11:33:17 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 12, 2010, 11:36:50 AM
Reminds me of Grandma's old farmhouse. Outside privy and all!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2010, 01:37:22 PM
Tongue depressors make great roofing boards.The boards may look wide to the modern eye but they really were easily available in those days.Each board was hand selected for color,pattern , texture and lots of defects.Ten years ago I had bought a whole load of these second quality depressors and used the best of them for hangars that I was building .I kept what I thought was junk just in case,and a good thing it was that I did, because they are perfect for my purposes now.As a modeler one thing I learned early on was not to throw anything model related or what could be model related away.
I used my usual nimbus gray/raw sienna mix and lots of water and created a wash.I put on three thin coats and dried between coats with a hair dryer.It is my normal practice to color my boards before putting them on the model but in this case I only want to paint the film set side and leave the prop side natural,like a prop would be in reality..You don't paint what won't be seen in the film!
The carpentry is crude in keeping with what I see in my references.I haven't yet decided on the weathering I will do on these boards, because the desert environment is something new to me.There are two ways I can approach this, either the rail car was brought from the east and was mostly weathered in a damper environment with lots of rust etc... or leave the wood bleached from the sun ,or something in between.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 12, 2010, 02:07:45 PM
Desert environment,something I'm not familiar with myself.   I still have some of my crafting materials from years ago. More of the different size rocks than anything.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 13, 2010, 05:07:16 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 13, 2010, 06:10:56 AM
Making a little progress on the station/shack area.That hanging board fascinates me,you can be sure that it was not put there accidentally by Sergio.If you look closely at the pic you can see the top of a cowboy hat on the L/H side of the pic.That is where the famous" fly on the face" scene happened.I have not yet weathered this area until it is finished,both sides of these boards will require finishing as both areas are in the film.One of my modeling buds actually went out and took some pics for me of old desert railway cars near Carson City Nevada.That was very kind of him to do so! It always amazes me that the vast majority of modelers can be so kind to their buds.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 13, 2010, 07:43:16 AM
I can see that!  I got the biggest bang out of Jack Elam's character trying so hard to get rid of the fly without swatting it. Then finally getting in in the barrel of the gun. No matter what kind of character he plays,he always makes you enjoy his performance!  Railroad buds can be the same way.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 13, 2010, 12:32:53 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 13, 2010, 03:41:44 PM
Coming along pretty good. I like it!  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 14, 2010, 05:32:47 AM
These Bachmann kits are super for kit bashing.The way that they have been designed to go together makes them very easy to work with.They could be broken down even further by cutting the walls in four separate pieces.This wasn't necessary for my purposes here as I am not doing a lot of fancy detailing on the car/shack.When it comes to the luxury car though it will be necessary in order to do all the carpentry that will be required.The car/shack piece has turned out to be the best place to have started to become familiar with the construction methods as the work here is fairly loose in the tolerances required.

For the luxury Victorian car I plan to buy a lot of the furniture in 1/24 scale from the miniatures world (dollhouses).They seem to love Victorian furniture and have loads to chose from.Building fancy furniture is another hobby itself so I might as well take advantage of what is out there already.My principal is "buy what you can and built what you must."Up until now this has meant just about everything as what is available is very limited in 1/16th scale but in 1/24 the sky is the limit. (or should I say my hobby budget)I should have lots of time to build it back up again as after this car/shack I plan on doing the locomotive which will be mostly out of the box.I will be doing a lot of bashing on it however, as it will be depicted as a fake locomotive built for film purposes, not like the other two pieces that were adaptations of real cars.(in my world).I am sure that the way it was really done in the film studios would have been much different than I am depicting here.What I am trying to create here is an art piece using lots of artistic license,just like they do in Hollywood ! This will be an empty sound stage with no figures at all just the empty directors chair which is what the story is all about anyway.Sergio left us much too soon just when he was getting it all together as a director,who knows what other great stuff he had planned.I wonder though could he have ever have topped "Once upon at time..........? a recognized masterpiece of film making.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 14, 2010, 06:48:57 AM
Sergio topping Once Upon A Time In The West?  That was his best masterpiece. Does that sound right? In any case,I don't think he could have done anything better.   Haven't been in Hobby Lobby for quite some time. This makes me want to get back into crafting again,but my budget says otherwise.   I think Sergio would be pleased with what you are doing.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 14, 2010, 05:09:14 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 14, 2010, 09:51:47 PM
Nice addition.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 15, 2010, 04:54:26 AM
Sergio topping Once Upon A Time In The West?  That was his best masterpiece. Does that sound right? In any case,I don't think he could have done anything better.   Haven't been in Hobby Lobby for quite some time. This makes me want to get back into crafting again,but my budget says otherwise.   I think Sergio would be pleased with what you are doing.  O0
You obviously have the interest which really is 90% of it.When working in wood it really is not that expensive.It has been my experience that once you commit to doing something like this, things happen to make it possible. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 15, 2010, 07:12:16 AM
You know it is funny how it goes with art. I started off wanting to do and learn about everything.Take figures for example,I wanted to learn how to do them as I thought at the time, that they really completed a diorama.Normally this is true ,they add a sense of scale and life to the scene.In my work I only used them in relaxed positions,standing talking in groups for example.No action not even walking as I felt that it broke the illusion of "a moment in time."My first diorama had three figures,the next five,after that too many for the fourth diorama, then it was back to one, and now none.
A lot of artists are the same from what I see around me.In the beginning they want to prove that they can master the techniques,then having done that they want to experiment with their own ideas and a lot of the time it is about minimizing things to the point where you can get say what you have to say as simply as possible.
Some artists minimize a whole aspect of their art and tell an even more powerful story by letting the viewers imagination fill in the blanks. Making a film with 15 pages of dialogue in a 3 hour piece is a wonderful example of this.When you do it right it can become a masterpiece !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: marmota-b on September 15, 2010, 11:56:02 AM
Some artists minimize a whole aspect of their art and tell an even more powerful story by letting the viewers imagination fill in the blanks.

I find this works really well with books, and especially marks the difference between many books and their film adaptations.

Keep up the good work with the diorama! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 15, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
You have a point there.Things do have a way of happening when you're commited to working on a project.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 15, 2010, 06:24:32 PM
Changed my mind again . I won't be doing the interior of the luxury car after all.I reviewed the film again today and it just contains too much stuff.Fine scale furniture building is not something that I really want to do and buying that stuff costs a fortune.It really would not add a lot to the diorama and actually it might be distracting.The primary purpose for the car is to have a Morton Railway logo which is on the outside anyway.I can just make up some wooden blinds ,light the interior through the blinds to add atmosphere and put a sign on the stage door side saying something like "Movie Set,please keep door closed."
The car/shack plus the fake locomotive should get the sub-story line of movies being mostly about illusion, across to the viewer without going to all the trouble involved with building the interior of the Morton car.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 15, 2010, 06:48:48 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 15, 2010, 07:25:43 PM
You have a point there.Things do have a way of happening when you're commited to working on a project.
It really is the first step probably the most important an artist will ever make.
I just bought some more coffee stir stiks today 4 bucks for about a 1000 stiks I would say.This doesn't have to be expensive.If my style of art appeals to you all you need is a little glue and cheap acrylic paint or watercolors mixed with a little imagination and away you go.Do grandma's privy! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 15, 2010, 09:29:42 PM
HEY HEY! I like that idea!  O0    I agree with your decision.There was a lot of fancy stuff in Morton's private railroad car.  A lot of tv shows when they are being filmed are closed sets,so it wouldn't be a bad idea to put up a sign like that on Morton's car. Puts a bit of mystery into it.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2010, 04:23:50 AM
Now go buy those stiks ! The change in plan also means that I can spent lots of time on the exterior of the car,weathering it, having fun and concentrating on what I really like to do ,making things look old and telling stories.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2010, 05:29:01 AM
Next up will be the locomotive "The General".I have gathered  most of the reference I need.I plan to make this locomotive a complete fake and build only about half of it so that it looks real only when viewed from the directors chair on stage ,as if he would be waiting for the actors to come on the set.(or maybe it was the other way around,they were waiting for him)I am sure that you have seen this kind of thing many times in the movies and never even realized it.Movies are all about altered reality and deception,were not doing History here.A lot of so-called history is illusion anyway but that is another story.
I really like this kit and I am really looking forward to bashing it into something completely different than what you usually see in scale modeling.In full scale 1:1 modeling it has been a long established tradition to fake it.Even for the"Titanic" movie they built a 3/4 scale fake of the real thing.How many models life size or scale model have I seen blown up and destroyed in the movies ,especially before the modern era of animation.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 16, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
Everything today is CGI.  I know most of the movie and tv sets are fake and we just believe everything is real. That's what we are supposed to think. If you look at it as if everything was faked,then there wouldn't be any enjoyment at all. You have to use your imagination when watching a film or tv show. That's what the viewer has to do with your movie set diorama.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2010, 12:53:20 PM
Hi guys ! I wouldn't be posting as often(some will say thank goodness) or working on the train diorama for a couple of weeks.  The aviation museum  called and they will be picking up their stuff within the next month. I am not expecting a lot to do to finish  their first three dioramas.The fourth aircraft and the train diorama will be worked on over the winter.I will however still  be doing  research on the train diorama and will post anything interesting in the meantime. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 16, 2010, 01:45:40 PM
You are a very important and busy man. Looking forward to whatever and whenever you can post.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2010, 04:07:11 PM
Busy yes but important? only to my dog when she wants to go for a walk. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2010, 04:08:18 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_Gscaletrains018-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains018-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2010, 04:44:17 PM
This is pretty much the final composition of the major components of the diorama in HO scale, in G scale that is a diameter of almost four feet.The space between the locomotive and the station/shack, as represented here  by the red car, is as close to a front of the diorama that this design gets.The empty directors chair will be in the center.The green boxcar will be Morton's luxury car, which will be a closed set, with a sign on the rear sliding door saying" closed set ,do not enter".From the directors point of view everything will look normal and lifelike but from the viewers point of view it will be a movie set.This diorama will be my idea  about how movies were made in the past before all the animation we see today.
It is essentially an artistic license piece about artistic license.A behind the scenes look at how I think the magic was made.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 16, 2010, 06:29:39 PM
Busy yes but important? only to my dog when she wants to go for a walk. :)
  Well,someone thinks you're important!  ;) 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 16, 2010, 06:34:38 PM
From all the behind the scenes extras I've seen,you're pretty close to how Sergio wanted and got the movie done. All it takes is a lot of imagination and determination.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 17, 2010, 05:08:12 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by choo choo View Post
Hey John,

Your concept is as fascinating as the modelling exercise. How do you think up stuff like that?

Greg
Well thank you Greg that is the biggest compliment you could ever give my work!
I have been doing different art forms for many years saying to myself "why didn't I think of that?"It is the originality that always alluded me until now,I found myself saying the same thing " how do they think up stuff like that?"
With ordinary modeling it is still that way with me but with dioramas I seem to have found my niche late in my life.I think that it is the storytelling I like most and taking pictures of the project underway and when it is completed and "in the can" so to speak.After that the fun for me is over and I just enjoy putting the stuff in museums and such for others to see and hopefully have a few of the young ones catch the bug of making dioramas too.
I find that most modelers are "History "minded and stuck on replicating reality ,I just want to bring some fun back into it like when we were kids with unbounded imaginations.Just the mention of "artistic license" drives some modelers crazy,Why? I don't know because anything fun to do requires a certain suspension of belief and modeling like other entertainments is no different.
Because of this fact I thought that it would be fun to kind of play a little trick on Hollywood and the like and switch things around a little by having the director from his point of view think everything looks normal while the viewer is really in on the magic.
Anyway,thanks again ! you have really made this old guy happy.One last thing and really what I am most happy about is that I was lucky enough to have the time and good health to accomplish this in the decade of my 60's.With art it is never too late to work on your dreams.Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 17, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
I like your explanation,John. I hope Greg gets the modelling bug himself. I showed dad what you are working on and he was impressed. He wishes he had steady enough hands and the patience to do what you do. Being almost 78 and having Parkinson's has stopped him from doing what he used to enjoy,which is sad because he enjoyed so much building things from scratch.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 18, 2010, 02:25:23 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/AlbatrosDv%20dio1/th_Albatrosfinalassembly008-2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/AlbatrosDv%20dio1/?action=view&current=Albatrosfinalassembly008-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 18, 2010, 02:27:01 PM
Sorry to hear that your dad can't model anymore,I have been lucky so far.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 18, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Everything changes once Parkinson's sets in. You are indeed lucky.Hope you never get it.  I took a look at the Albatros. I like it. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 19, 2010, 05:00:41 AM
See my Albatros Dv album in photobucket for the following pics:

08-2 The gap.Double check that the plywood edge has been well sealed as this fix requires the use of water.I use lacquer for this.

06-1 2 sided carpet tape.

07-1 cut the tape in strips.

05-1 tape is applied along plywood edge.A second layer of tape was applied over the first beause of the width of the gap to be filled.

01-1 all materials are soaked in achohol before applying

02-1 apply your earth or fine sand'

03-1 apply your thin glue/water mix.

04-1 add turf then more of the thinned glue mix.

05-1 remove tape backing and de-stick the surface using dry earth or fine sand as you want the panel to be removable from the other panel edge.If this is a permanent fix carefully line up both edges and stick the panels together. to be cont........


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 19, 2010, 10:06:59 AM
I like the details along with the pics. Good learning tool. People on the other forum have missed out. Too bad.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
11-1 put wax paper under both panels.

12-1 add more wax paper between the edges of the two panels and begin laying down your soil or sand.

13-1 continue filling until gap is filled and level,then spray with alcohol.

14-1 apply glue/water mix drop by drop.

15-1 fold over wax paper and fill the other side .

16-1 both sides should now be level,let dry overnight.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2010, 08:43:39 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Albatrosfinalassembly024-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Albatrosfinalassembly024-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2010, 08:59:18 AM
Meanwhile back at the rail car build,I have put in the floor.The movie set shows a very damaged area as though the floor had been ripped off at this point.I used my usual method to weather the wood but with no rusty nail heads as it would be subject to more recent wear.The pic was taken from the outside, through the car door window, using an ordinary light bulb.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 20, 2010, 12:00:12 PM
Yipes! You got my old porch in the car!  Looks very real.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2010, 04:07:29 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains017-2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains017-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2010, 04:44:58 PM
This is the outside of the rail car from the movie prop side.In my storyline they took an already old car and made it older.The original car would been more carefully put together and some of that carpentry is shown here.I assumed that the window casings were removed along with the glass therefore only the basic frame remains.
All the wood was carefully selected for grain pattern,color and texture.I am assuming that the original color was red but is now aged to orange.I removed the sashes from the windows and build the frames with strip wood that had been tinted orange.The large boards above the windows are part of the carpentry put up by the film crew for their purposes.
The pics in my photobucket show the various steps and the tools used for this operation.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 20, 2010, 05:38:47 PM
The grain pattern,color and texture are perfect. Looks like it was done by the film crew. I like that orange color. I'd say,you're becoming a master of your craft!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 21, 2010, 04:52:44 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_movie-set_1-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=movie-set_1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 21, 2010, 05:28:44 AM
For those who may be a little confused as to what I am building here don't feel alone as I feel like that sometimes myself.
The above pic shows the area of the set I am working on now.I don't plan on building all of the lighting grid as this is basically an abandoned set but I do plan to show where some of it was attached to the rail car prop.This will be confined to the prop side only and will not be visible from the directors chair.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 21, 2010, 11:27:21 AM
I like the fact that the viewer has to use their imagination when looking at the set. What you are invisioning is your interpretation of what Sergio saw as he was filming the scenes around the railcar.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 21, 2010, 03:29:20 PM
Once you have the viewers imagination the rest is easy!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 21, 2010, 03:43:43 PM
Imagination is sorely lacking in today's films.  :(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2010, 04:11:23 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2010, 04:51:28 AM
This side of the open set is where I imagine the interior shots of the opening scene would have been taken.The opening on the left is where there is a little jog in the interior wall which I presume was a sleeping area for the station master.I am only building that part that can be seen in the film.After the jog is a badly built brick wall with the doorway at the end where the movie begins.The large opening will be from where the interior scenes would have been taken in my little scenario.HO scale track makes a perfect dolly for the camera and really tells the story here without even having to show a camera which would be out of place on an abandoned set.The figure is there to check the scale.
I am presently building the sleeping area/camera platform but on a reduced scale due to space requirements at the edge of the round base.In the film the shot through the door to the outside(where the first nations lady is running away)opens on to the desert and in my scenario would have to have been shot in other open set.The wall where the figure is standing actually extends for a long way and is held down with ropes and stakes in the ground.Nice scene but I can't show it here.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2010, 05:40:30 AM
Some of you guys must be wondering why does he keep posting this stuff when hardly anyone ever responds ? Well in the beginning ten years ago I wondered the same thing myself and almost gave up.I build every day so I don't have a lot of time to socialize on the net, other than sharing my work and techniques with you guys, which I find extremely rewarding.So why is it I don't quit ? well my photobucket tells me a different story.Sometimes over a five month period I can get up to a million hits ! Recently it has been running around 600,000.I post my stuff on about 35 websites; aircraft ,RR,cars and ships, some more than others depending upon what I am working on at the time.It is very time consuming but I love the opportunity to do it.You see I am almost 70 years old and I remember how it used to be years ago when most modelers built in isolation from one another, except for the occasional phone call or snail mail.Now I can instant communicate with other modelers, on a day to day basis, and show my stuff in real time.Until now this was never possible, before the era of computers, digital cameras and photobucket etc....I show it, if you like it fine, if you don't that is fine too ,but at least the majority of the official gatekeepers, as I new them,are pretty much irrelevant today and thank goodness for that. Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 22, 2010, 09:45:02 AM
If no one else appreciates what you're doing,I sure do. Keep it up.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 22, 2010, 03:37:11 PM
I've been checking every day too, since I'm also a modeler, I know what your dealing with and why some decisions are made.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2010, 04:46:25 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2010, 05:30:11 PM
This small closet looking area is actually a prop set up for the camera.You never see this room in the movie only the suggestion of it being there.The near wall will be fake brick made from previously cut artists watercolor board.Attached to the brick wall will be the door from the opening scene of the film and then finally the actual set.The exterior of these walls will be almost new wood ,while  the interior will be  painted and weathered to look old.Most of the camera shots from the opening scene were taken from this end of the rail car.
There is one area that had me stumped for a long time and it took my wife's fresh eyes to spot it.The brick area was curved I thought but why would anyone build such a crooked brick wall? Sergio did everything for a purpose and I couldn't figure it out.A closer look actually reveals that there is another wooden wall behind the brick one and it is this wood that has warped to create this odd form.The brick actually starts at the wood post and ends at the rear door and is fairly straight but heavily weathered.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 22, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Good hiding place for the camera.  A wall behind a wall.  Sergio knew what he wanted!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 22, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Hey John,   Remember that other forum I was on before coming here? It's no longer on line.If it comes back on,I'll be surprised. Staff section got hacked into somehow. Better off here anyway.I like it here.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 23, 2010, 03:20:05 AM
I am sorry to hear that graysev,we need all the "old west" sites. Cheers!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 23, 2010, 03:25:44 AM
I've been checking every day too, since I'm also a modeler, I know what your dealing with and why some decisions are made.  O0

You are a modeler I know and a good one too ! Nice to know that a moderator here is also part of our clan.Thanks for your understanding cigar joe.Cheers!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 23, 2010, 03:30:16 AM
If no one else appreciates what you're doing,I sure do. Keep it up.  O0
Oh I know they do,thank goodness for photobucket. Cheers!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 23, 2010, 09:04:12 AM
Photobucket is a good thing to use. A friend showed me some stuff on John Davis Chandler that he thought I'd like. Best way to let people see what you're doing. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 24, 2010, 03:48:02 PM
hi John. I've been told that the Old West Forum will be taken offline permanently this weekend. They apparently can't find out who hacked into the system or why,so they'll shut it done for good.  :(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 25, 2010, 05:36:38 PM
I am so sorry to hear that graysev, we old west lovers lovers need all the exposure we can get. :(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 25, 2010, 05:37:00 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 25, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
There aren't that many sites dedicated to the old west. Such a shame.   Looks like you've been busy on the albatros. Looks good.  Now,if only you could do something for this stupid cold I have. Miserable.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 26, 2010, 07:31:10 AM
Hope that you get better soon.Take care. Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 26, 2010, 07:31:41 AM
Finishing seams,gaps and screw heads.

The pics in photobucket are almost self explanatory on the final cosmetic stuff.
The screw heads are covered using round felt pads the tops of which were covered with white glue and then dipped in the original earth soil,glued on using contact cement and blended into its environment with the materials shown in the pics.You just have to play around with this until it looks right to your eye.
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 26, 2010, 07:53:46 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 26, 2010, 09:55:00 AM
The albatros pics were pretty much self explanatory. The more you study them,the more you understand what was being done.   The train car stands out like it is 3D.  I like it. O0   Of course,after taking a vicodin, EVERYTHING looks like it's in 3D. This cold makes my arthritis pain seem worse.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 27, 2010, 06:41:23 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 27, 2010, 06:53:43 AM
I woke up this morning to a hairline crack about half way along the repaired gap.Rather than re-do anything I think that I will just take a little of the vegetation, soak it in alcohol,place it on the crack in a random manner,and add a little of the glue/water mix which should take care of it.Because of changes in humidity there will always be a tendency for the wet soil type of repair to crack a bit.The overlying vegitation will expand and contract with the wood and should make it totally invisible.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 27, 2010, 10:40:41 AM
I have mentioned this book before and it is now out of print but my good modeling bud Ken Hamilton has given his permission to put it on the internet.
Ken encouraged me to get into doing landscaping,making good looking junk and super weathering when I needed a lot of encouragement.Ken's work along with Shep Paine are the two rocks that my stuff is built upon. Thanks guys!

See Ken's book here:

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/mercman51/DIO%20Book/

Enjoy!
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 27, 2010, 10:45:03 AM
Humidity does play a big role. I've had my own problems with wood. Cracks and warps are common here. Winter is especially hard on wood. Best to do a small repair and hope it works rather than to start all over again and waste time that you could be using on another aspect of the project. Found that out a long time ago.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 02, 2010, 07:44:31 AM
Hi guys ! I have had to put the Sergio piece aside temporarily as the museum will be picking up their aircraft dioramas soon .I still have the finishing touches to do and take the final pictures with the lighting as I intended it to be.I did these dioramas mostly for taking pictures but museums have other priorities for display.Example ,I used real bulbs for the lighting fixtures but they can't remove a huge glass case every time they have to change a bulb,so these pics I am taking now will probably be the last where I can control the lighting.
Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 02, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
The historical museum we have in DeForest is also particular. Everything has it's own lighting and each piece is set up just perfectly. They have a smaller museum inside the public library that they change every three to four months. Each time they change,there is a specific theme. When I wanted to downsize my audio collection,they took all my albums and singles. At that particular time,they were doing a piece on the history of music. Timely for me and them.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 28, 2010, 04:06:20 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 28, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
Back to work on the movie diorama,I see. Looks good!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2010, 02:26:54 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2010, 02:29:49 PM
Yup ! back at it again. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2010, 03:59:47 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2010, 04:06:15 PM
If I put a figure in this diorama it would probably be this one.Just one lone figure standing in the doorway dressed in a great coat and hat. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on October 29, 2010, 06:52:28 PM
Yea lookin' good.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 29, 2010, 07:22:37 PM
I like it!   It may be my imagination working overtime,but if you look at the figure,with the lighting just the way it is right now,it looks almost ghostly. Probably just the way I'm perceiving the scene.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 31, 2010, 07:43:26 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 31, 2010, 10:03:36 AM
That shot looks much better. Hopefully,I'll still be around when you finish the diorama. Sicker than what I thought. :(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: sargatanas on October 31, 2010, 10:51:31 AM
awesome ! makes me proud to be a part of this board  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2010, 06:00:10 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2010, 06:10:53 AM
That shot looks much better. Hopefully,I'll still be around when you finish the diorama. Sicker than what I thought. :(
Graysev,sorry to hear that you are experiencing health problems,I have been there a few times myself ! Please take care of yourself,we can't afford to lose another bandido !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Dust Devil on November 02, 2010, 06:17:33 AM
That shot looks much better. Hopefully,I'll still be around when you finish the diorama. Sicker than what I thought. :(

Amigo, best of wishes from me too, get back in shape as soon as possible. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 02, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
Thanks to you both!  :)    I should find out this week if what I have is indeed cancer,like the doc thinks.Scary,very scary!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 02, 2010, 06:52:42 PM
Coming along pretty good! I like it!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 03, 2010, 05:24:51 AM
I like it!   It may be my imagination working overtime,but if you look at the figure,with the lighting just the way it is right now,it looks almost ghostly. Probably just the way I'm perceiving the scene.
I really like the idea of the ghostly figure in this diorama.Every ghost town needs one! I will plan to paint him a ghostly irredecsent white and place him on set but in the shadows.Great idea ! Love it. Thanks.
Thinking of you! Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 03, 2010, 06:08:33 AM
I hope that you guys don't mind me just posting pictures of my recent progress on this diorama.I am doing this in the spirit of "a picture is worth a thousand words".Most of this is plain old woodworking and there isn't really much to add.All of the building  techniques I use I have covered before and will add again in my upcoming online book.If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.Your input is very important to me.
Recently I was given a great idea for the old west diorama that I am working on now, that will add a whole new dimension to the piece.Old west = ghost town right ? Old movie sets have   much the same feeling about them,and  this diorama will be no exception,it will have its resident ghost too.  Everything is there except the actors.Imagine the feeling of being alone on a set such as this after everyone has gone home !
The figure will be set in the shadows painted an iridescent white .The figure is already in a nice pose just quietly standing there and fits right in with the fantasy nature of this piece.This is where the art of storytelling really  comes into the picture.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 03, 2010, 09:07:00 AM
Ghost town. I like it! Glad you liked my thought.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on November 03, 2010, 06:12:29 PM
Looking great


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 04, 2010, 07:02:41 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 04, 2010, 07:28:40 AM
This is the basic composition.The open set that I am working on now.Then a closed set as represented  here by the passenger/baggage car and finally where you see a flat car the" General "locomotive and tender.In the center will be the empty directors chair and of course the ghostly figure will be  inside the station.The locomotive will be constructed as a fake made of metal and plywood, probably cut in half but with a full cab and front portion.
The closed set will be identified as such by a sign posted on the sliding door."Keep door closed", filming in progress "or something of that nature.I may add to the outer perimeter a prop with a backdrop picture of Monument Valley depicted on it.Other than that the car will be completely closed with only some interior lighting filtering through some closed blinds.Anyway ,that is the plan for now!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 04, 2010, 08:33:05 AM
Sounds good to me. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 05, 2010, 07:56:02 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 05, 2010, 08:44:59 AM
Here is a better pic of the rail car/passenger station with the shack built over the top.This is the station from "Cattle Corner" depicted in the opening gunfight scene in the movie.I presume that it was built as a temporary station, as the railway was being pushed through the area, or it was just a cattle station that happened to sell tickets and pickup and drop off passengers until a real station could be built.The railway tie platform was obviously built for cattle and not human traffic.
The" Sweetwater Station" is just newly built and would handle the regular passenger traffic for the area although cattle were also loaded and unloaded there as well.
The whole Cattle Corner thing is special and very unique to this film ,I believe that it was built to symbolize the new ways taking over the old.A station in transition and soon to be replaced by something completely new.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 05, 2010, 09:07:03 AM
The evolution of the station,is something worth looking into. The way things were done back then,be it in real life or in the movie,are so much different than today's way of doing things. Sergio seemed to know what he wanted in the film,knowing that future generations would watch his film and get one of those "now I understand" moments.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 06, 2010, 10:50:29 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/th_railcarset.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/?action=view&current=railcarset.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 06, 2010, 02:41:35 PM
I like all those behind the scenes photos. I like to watch the film and then go for the behind the scenes action. Some say it takes all the imagination away from the actual film,but I don't think so. It's HOW you use your imagination. Something a lot of todays films and tv shows lack.  BTW,no cancer. Have to see the doc on Monday to see if there are any other tests to find out why the pain persists. Who knows,maybe it's hiding!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 07, 2010, 05:07:02 PM
So happy to hear the good news! :) Take care.Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: sargatanas on November 09, 2010, 04:58:22 AM
happy birthday JohnReid  8)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 09, 2010, 05:43:18 AM
Happy Birthday,John!  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 09, 2010, 12:20:11 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 09, 2010, 03:46:35 PM
Like the stained door. Makes it look older. O0   BTW,the doc found a polyp in my uterus.Will be taken out tomorrow. If the med she gave me doesn't work in the next week or two,then after Thanksgiving I will have either a CT scan or another ultrasound. If you have ever seen the tv show HOUSE,with Hugh Laurie,then you know what she's doing.Guessing one step at a time. The bright side is that at least she's trying to figure out what's going on with me. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 10, 2010, 04:31:48 AM
Thank you for your birthday wishes ! finally reached the big 70 in good shape and I am really looking forward to some new artistic adventures in the future.I am a very lucky man.Cheers to all ! John. ;D


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 10, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
The world is full of possibilities!  As long as you enjoy what you're doing,keep going!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 13, 2010, 09:53:05 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains007-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains007-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 13, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
The lighting is set up just right where you see just a hint of a shadow.I like that. Looked at all the pics.Pretty good! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 22, 2010, 05:48:40 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 22, 2010, 06:31:53 AM
Looking good!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 22, 2010, 08:31:54 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 22, 2010, 01:07:41 PM
Coming along pretty good I see. Keep up the good work. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on November 22, 2010, 04:54:12 PM
 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Groggy on November 22, 2010, 05:08:51 PM
Keep it coming.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 23, 2010, 06:21:25 AM
Now for the part that I enjoy the most,the weathering ! (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscale078.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscale078.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 23, 2010, 07:33:33 AM
The fun part!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 24, 2010, 05:55:50 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 24, 2010, 08:05:47 AM
Learn something new every day!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 25, 2010, 04:56:57 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/How to build and paint tutorials/th_crackedpaint4-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/How to build and paint tutorials/?action=view&current=crackedpaint4-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 25, 2010, 05:52:12 AM
Make everything new look old and worn out.   :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on November 25, 2010, 06:30:02 AM
yea its cool stuff O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 25, 2010, 07:29:03 AM
And it is simple to use,just brush or sponge it on the surface to be painted and the cracks just appear.The thicker the application of paint the smaller the cracks.For the barnsiding look use Silverwood stain as an undercoat.Individual flakes can be picked off using an xacto knife,tape or gentle knife scrapping .The jury is still out in regard to using this technique on plastic but I will keep you guys informed after further experimentation.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 25, 2010, 08:50:44 AM
That is the fun part,experimenting!     HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 25, 2010, 04:33:11 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscale091-1-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscale091-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 25, 2010, 05:17:40 PM
The look that I am trying to achieve here is a bleached, sun baked surface that may have seen some rain sometime in the past.The nail or screw holes were made with a sharp needle in a pattern that indicates some kind of framing structure beneath.I deliberately did not line them up in rows like rivets.I want it to look like it was done by a human hand not machines.
After punching in the holes I came back with a sharp HB graphite pencil and twisted a little graphite into each hole to create a nail or screw head.The graphite works well as it has a slight shine to it like it was metal.
I then took some very watery raw umber and with a bristle toothbrush I flicked on a spray of paint to look like crud ,mud or  fly sh.t etc...Then with a small round brush and some very watery burnt sienna I touched every nail head and the wood swelled back to level again and soaked up a little rust staining.Try to be subtle when using this technique.Now I will do a little shading with chalk pastels in all the nooks and crannys.I do all my old barnsiding the same way using birch coffee sticks or tongue depressors.Do not seal the wood prior to painting.
This is a long tedious process but I think that it is worth the effort in the end.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 25, 2010, 06:09:57 PM
Yes,it is very much worth it!  O0   Have fun!!!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 26, 2010, 05:17:52 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscale093.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscale093.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 26, 2010, 05:47:05 AM
Lookin' good! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 26, 2010, 06:04:13 AM
A lot of work to make what looks like an old chicken coop ! :-\  This section has yet to be treated with the burnt sienna rusty nail heads look.Although they are hardly noticeable they do add a lot to the finished product.When weathering try to treat each area as a artist would do when painting.Make it interesting for the eye and try not to line things up in rows and right angles etc....or use monotone colors. Treat each piece as an individual part of the whole and put your best effort into it no matter how insignificant it may seem at the time.Avoid trying to rush through the things you don't particularly like doing.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 26, 2010, 08:39:48 AM
It may be a lot of work,but in the end,it is worth it.   Even doing things you don't particularly like doing is worth it in the end. Makes you appreciate it more. Makes others appreciate it and you more as well. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 27, 2010, 06:35:41 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/th_oldRRcars1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/?action=view&current=oldRRcars1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 27, 2010, 07:08:06 AM
Here is a cool old wood study pic ! The paint looks like it was once a red color that has now faded to orange.The surface looks like it is beyond the cracked paint stage and only a little of the paint stain remains.In this damp environment and a little greenish moss has developed where the wood nears the earths surface.Not a worry in the desert.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 27, 2010, 07:16:06 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscale096.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscale096.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 27, 2010, 07:55:48 AM
I like it!  Leave anything sit out in the sun long enough and it will fade,crack and fall apart. Just the way Sergio would have wanted the set to look.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 29, 2010, 04:37:23 PM
What do you think about the proportions ,not the girl I mean the bench frame ? It is very important to get this right . :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 29, 2010, 04:40:42 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains010-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains010-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 29, 2010, 07:37:23 PM
I keep looking at it. A person sitting on the bench could just barely look into the window,which what you want. I'd want to be able to just barely peak through the window if I were sitting there. Nosy,but looking like I am. Make sense?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 30, 2010, 05:20:11 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains015-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains015-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 30, 2010, 05:23:22 AM
Rear ends were definitely a lot smaller in those days.The line on the board indicates 3 feet.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 30, 2010, 05:27:37 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/th_oldRRcars11.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/?action=view&current=oldRRcars11.jpg)
courtesy of Sharlot Hall Museum pics.
Looks like a very cosy arrangement ! were the average people really that small in those days?
The aisle looks to be about 18" wide,slim conductors too!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 30, 2010, 05:41:39 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/th_oldRRcars9.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/?action=view&current=oldRRcars9.jpg)
This car looks a little wider but not much.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 30, 2010, 12:03:24 PM
3 feet? Sounds about right.   The old cars that Mid-Continent Railroad Museum has are about the size you show in the pictures.Not a lot of room compared to today's cars.  People were also smaller back then.They didn't have the big tucus some have today. (HEE! HEE!)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 06:04:36 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains003-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains003-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2010, 06:11:23 AM
Perfect !   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 06:18:51 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains002-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains002-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2010, 06:30:07 AM
Thanks for the quick laugh. Look up and see a tucus looking at me. ;D   I needed that little laugh.  Getting down to business,it is the proper size for the set. In stores,the size of the seats they have are basically the uniform three feet.Just enough room for two people.Three if they are kids.   Even with one eye closed,I can see the bench is of perfect proportion. BTW,don't ever think a small sneeze will turn into nothing. In my case,I look like someone beat the tarnation out of me.Acute sinus infection. By the time Christmas comes,hopefully it will be gone.STRONG antibiotics and lots of Vicodin.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 06:30:55 AM
Here is one of those circumstances in modeling where a compromise of some kind has to be made.The bench is to scale but the wall of the car is a little too thick which moves the bench seat a little too far into the aisle.(no conductor is that slim) Lucky for me that all the benches are not required to be side by side
as in a normal railway car.I can cheat a bit in the arrangement of the benches and it won't be noticeable.This is one of the difficulties you run into when scatchbuilding by eye alone.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2010, 06:37:26 AM
Well,you certainly are going at it like a pro!  O0  Compromises usually have to be made sometimes.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 07:01:42 AM
You know in reviewing my pics of Sergio's set I came to realize that he cheated a bit in this same area.The door is not in the center of the car and the seating is creatively arranged to suit the scene.The master himself was not above making some compromises too!
While on the subject of scale I was wondering how high that braking wheel that is located on the platform should be in relation to the height of the man?I think mine looks overscale in height.I am not too concerned about the diameter of the tubing or the diameter of the wheel itself as that could vary a bit I guess but the height must have been standard.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 08:19:21 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscale081.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscale081.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2010, 02:24:29 PM
That's the right size. You don't want it any lower than that.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 04:58:09 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains004-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains004-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
I would say that Claudia's rear end is perfect but big Marshall Dillon out of Dodge city might have to pay for an extra seat.This is Economy class for sure.
Like everything else about this station the bench legs need straightening.
I grouped the seating arrangement around the wood stove which seems like a natural to me for those cold nights in the desert.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
I feel for poor Claudia if she had to share that bench with Marshal Dillon. ;D   I like the way you have the seating around the wood stove. Try being in a caboose,in the winter,over Donner Pass,laying on the floor near the stove and praying you don't die because the conductor decided the engine would be warmer than staying in the caboose and allowing the fire to die out.It happened to my dad during basic training just before he was shipped over to Korea. He never forgot about that trip or forgave the conductor for his actions.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 04, 2010, 04:27:31 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains016-3.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains016-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 04, 2010, 04:42:31 PM
For picture taking purposes I am sure that Sergio widened this set and adjusted the rails to suit the scale.I am not sure exactly how he did it but the left wall seems to have been moved outward with the rail was still placed in the middle.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 04, 2010, 05:55:53 PM
I wonder if Sergio needed more room for filming purposes and figured no one would notice. Back then a viewer wouldn't have paid attention,but today in the digital world,we can take frame by frame apart and examine it like never before.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 05, 2010, 05:38:04 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/th_oldRRcars82.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Old%20rail%20pics/?action=view&current=oldRRcars82.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 05, 2010, 05:55:33 AM
Those are some old cars. I LIKE IT!!! 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 05, 2010, 05:57:04 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/Film%20pics/Filmpics002-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 05, 2010, 06:06:21 AM
 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 05, 2010, 06:36:39 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains024-2-1-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains024-2-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 05, 2010, 06:55:50 AM
I have been trying to figure out what is the black thing hanging on the wall ,you can be sure that it is there for a reason,something that prominent would be planned. Also what the piece of furniture is below it?It looks like it could be a bench or bench and table together.Victorian furniture is very dark so I stained it burnt umber.I think that is a wooden pail hanging from the rafter and there also seems to be a rolled up black curtain to be able to close off this section.Probably for privacy or to keep out drafts and dust.
I would say that passengers would use the door at the end of the car to gain access to this area.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 05, 2010, 10:32:12 AM
For sure that is an old writing table. If you look closely,you can see at least one door knob used to open the drawer.  The other looks like a curtain.Maybe the curtain is opened to a certain amount and could be pulled down when needed. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 07, 2010, 06:20:25 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/th_Gscaletrains029-2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/?action=view&current=Gscaletrains029-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 07, 2010, 07:48:22 AM
These little creamers from the coffee shop make excellent tin garbage pails or forms for building wooden ones.I first cut out the bottom disc and then glue on the side pieces,trim the top level and add a band around the top.I painted it burnt umber and then sanded most of it off.
I spent way too much time making this but because a lot of the storyline revolves around the symbolism of water I felt it was worth it.However it looks a little large in this scale.I will live with it for a few days and see if I have to make another one and keep this one as a wood bucket.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 07, 2010, 08:40:16 AM
Now,that's using your imagination. Sergio would be pleased. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 07, 2010, 10:41:19 AM
I decided to give myself an early Christmas present this year and start working on my first locomotive as a movie prop.I have never built one before and am really excited about getting started.The station prop has very little creative stuff left to do except some of the finishing.Every year in Montreal the miniatures people have a show in April and I will wait to see if I can pick up some nice 1/24 scale Victorian furniture for the old stationmasters desk and chairs etc..
My background is aviation so I am out of my area right now.I find this exciting but also a little intimidating.Just learning all the new terminology itself will be a challenge .
If you see something that is obviously wrong or I am headed in the wrong direction please feel free to jump in at anytime with constructive criticism.
Thanks ! Cheers. John. Should be fun !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 07, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
Good for you! A steam locomotive has many working features. From the smallest part to the largest,every part has a reason for being there. I look forward to seeing the locomotive as you progress with the building. BTW,surgery on Dec.30th. If there is any cancer,they should be able to get it.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 09, 2010, 09:05:07 AM
Well that blows new years eve doesn't it. Good luck !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 09, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
Yeah,it blows new years' eve,but I'd rather be in pain than six feet under.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 12, 2010, 06:16:05 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_TheGeneral018.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=TheGeneral018.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 12, 2010, 06:57:56 AM
This is where I am so far.The kit has been modified for use as a movie prop.Everything that looks like metal I assume would be made from tin or fibreglass or whatever would look good on camera.
After washing and sealing the seams with some thin super glue,and some light sanding of the fake metal ,I used some watered down black gesso (about 50/50) and a couple of drops of flow medium and painted on a couple of coats with a brush.Keep your coats thin as there is some pretty fine detail here that you don't want to cover up.
I added a dowel handle for convenience.

I plan to build all the wooden parts from real wood or wood veneer and just paint the fake metal parts.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 12, 2010, 07:08:07 AM
Looks pretty good,thus far.  Would you ever build another steamer just for the heck of it?  Not for the movie set,just for yourself? 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 12, 2010, 08:11:58 AM
On some of the newer websites that I post to there seems to be a misunderstanding about what my posts are about.
 
About ten years ago when I first started posting it was my intention to promote the building of dioramas on the web.The armor guys had been well into this for a long time but there is little communication between the two groups.I wanted to help  change that situation at a time when a lot of modelers thought that a diorama was a nice wooden base to put your model on.
I post to about 30 different websites.RR,auto,ship,figure and aircraft as well as some other art and photo sites and I am also writing an online book about storyboard dioramas.I have always been a teacher and I love to share whatever knowledge that I may have with others.This is more of a How to..... thread than anything else.I am also an active builder of dioramas for museums and at 70 years old this keeps me very busy.I just don't have time to socialize on the net.If you are expecting feedback on every post , you won't find it on this thread.Please try to understand.I know that there is a lot of interest out there as my photobucket averages thousands of hits a day and that is reward enough for me.Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 12, 2010, 08:13:32 AM
I do have another kit of the General so maybe somewhere down the road that might happen :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 12, 2010, 03:33:09 PM
I do have another kit of the General so maybe somewhere down the road that might happen :)
   I bet if and when you do work on the kit,you will enjoy putting the General together.:)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 12, 2010, 04:37:48 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_TheGeneral024.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=TheGeneral024.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 12, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Before you know it,you'll have The General ready for it's close-up. Looked at the pics you posted thus far and my mouth is watering. I love steam locomotives. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 13, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
The smokebox backhead required a lot of fitting to get it right but finally it looks OK I think.There still is a small seam visible in some areas which I could re-do but I will leave it as is for now as it may not even be visible when finished.I can see that this is going to be quite a long process to really do justice to this fine old locomotive.When building in wood the replacement piece must fit exactly like the plastic it is replacing.Wood veneer also has its problems because when you veneer the plastic part it ends up just a little bigger than the original.I will have to shave down every plastic piece I use so things will fit properly.Luckily I have two kits so that will make it a lot easier to replicate any plastic part.I think that I will start with the running boards,I have two choices here,make them from solid cheery wood or shave down and veneer the plastic.Maybe I will do one of each as an experiment and use the best one on the model side.
I have discovered a great set of reference pictures of the inside of the cab of the Lilly Belle ,Walt Disneys train.I will try to get permission to use these pics as reference here from the photographer .Cheers!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 13, 2010, 11:06:54 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Lilly%20Belle/th_LillyBellecab013.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Lilly%20Belle/?action=view&current=LillyBellecab013.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 13, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
Permission granted ! :)
I will have to start making decisions about color almost  right away and I kind of like Lilly Belle's cab.It is very colorful which appeals to me a lot but I will be weathering it down somewhat and my painting won't be so shiny.Any suggestions ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 13, 2010, 02:58:09 PM
You do have a dilema on your hands. I don't remember coming up against having to make a weathered piece look shiny before. Hope your buddies can come up with an idea. I'm puzzled.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 11, 2011, 07:58:35 PM
Just lettin' you know,I'm still alive and kickin'. No cancer!!!! Can't wait to see what you're up to.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Dust Devil on January 26, 2011, 05:06:40 AM
Just lettin' you know,I'm still alive and kickin'. No cancer!!!!

That's nice to hear, amigo, I was just about to send you a PM to see what's going on. Glad you're OK! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 26, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
Got a new lease on life! Taking advantage of it!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on March 08, 2011, 06:54:48 AM
For a complete tutorial on cracking paint please see:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/16792-how-build-aircraft-dioramas-266.html

Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on March 08, 2011, 07:31:34 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/th_Backyardflyer179-1-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/?action=view&current=Backyardflyer179-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on March 08, 2011, 11:53:57 AM
Keeping busy I see!   8)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on March 09, 2011, 06:10:15 AM
Yes I am ! :) however the Sergio piece is up for finishing next. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on March 09, 2011, 07:45:55 AM
Sounds good to me!   Cold up there? We got SNOW!!!  So much for an early spring!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 14, 2011, 06:16:57 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 14, 2011, 07:28:01 AM
Looks like the real thing.  Almost had me fooled.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 20, 2011, 05:28:38 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 20, 2011, 08:50:45 AM
I like the windows. Curtains(draperies) match the color of the wood.  Got just enough light on the windows to make them sparkle.   I have always liked a brick house,whether it was real bricks being used or just a facade never mattered to me.   Looks like you took a long time constructing the building,every piece going in just the right place.    :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 23, 2011, 06:54:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 23, 2011, 06:57:54 AM
I like the windows. Curtains(draperies) match the color of the wood.  Got just enough light on the windows to make them sparkle.   I have always liked a brick house,whether it was real bricks being used or just a facade never mattered to me.   Looks like you took a long time constructing the building,every piece going in just the right place.    :)
Thank you ! For your kind words.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 23, 2011, 09:16:44 AM
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/16792-how-build-aircraft-dioramas-274.html


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 23, 2011, 09:19:53 AM
You are very welcome. Keep up the great work!!!  :) :) :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 23, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
For a complete " How to....."on building a stone wall,my style,please see the above website.

Please note:
Because I contribute to 32 modeling websites of all kinds I have had to pick one to post detailed "how to's...." to.This site happens to be the first site that I happened to contribute to back in 03 .It also has all of my content in one place which will be of great value to me someday when I hope to do an online (free) book about my methods which I will then post to all the websites that have so kindly supported me and my work up in the past.
Because of the type of work I do a lot of my stuff crosses over between different genres. I would ask that if on occasion that I make a mistake and post something on airplanes in a car or RR or ship site( or visa versa ) please be patient and I will try to correct it ASAP. But most of the time I am dealing with" modeling in general "that crosses all boundaries."

I am by no means an expert in anything I do, in fact a lot of the time this is a real time learning experience for me too.A good example of this is what I am posting right now,this is my very first stone wall in paperboard,so you get it direct mistakes and all. I think that the guys that follow my stuff appreciate it more like this .It would be impossible for me to do it like this and post very detail to 32 websites everyday.

Thank you for your patience and understanding ! Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 23, 2011, 02:07:57 PM
Every day is a learning experience,my friend!  I admire your passion for making models,whatever they be.   Mistakes happen and we learn from them or at least should learn from them,rectify them and go on.  In any case,I enjoy watching what you've been working on.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 31, 2011, 09:08:11 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 31, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Thank you graysev, your support for my work means a lot to me. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 31, 2011, 11:55:31 AM
Doing good!  And your welcome.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 31, 2011, 02:53:09 PM
I will build up in wood the small upper attic window which was probably used for ventilation more than anything else.Small sloping roof rooms on the upper floors were also common in those days.I will shutter the window or board it up,there will be no glass to attract the viewers eye.
These walls look much more natural if you don't attempt to make them too perfect.A queen's castle is something different but for your ordinary turn of the century building you may have to even force yourself to screw it up just a little here and there to give it an increased sense of authenticity.
Example. The bricked up window has very subtle errors built into it like the slightly different horizontal level between the stone and brick wall.
The key here is be be very subtle about it so that it does not immediately attract the viewers eye(like in the deliberately distorted pic above) however, could be picked up after a thorough look at the main subject,which in this case happens to be an airplane but it could be a car,train or whatever the main subject of the piece happens to be.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on May 31, 2011, 04:31:38 PM
The uneven blotchy color is only the first thin coat of paint that I put on to get rid of the stark white of the paper.If not covered now it will stick out like a sore thumb and will be almost impossible to cover later if accidentally touched with glue.This light gray color can at least be easily worked into the overall stone color of the wall which will eventually become the lightest color stone on the finished wall.The variety in shades on the individual stones happens automatically when using very watery acrylic paint ,as the pigment tends to settle to the bottom as you are using it over a period of time.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 31, 2011, 05:53:11 PM
I was drawn to the bricked up window. It caught my eye quickly because it was offset and completely different from the wall itself. I kinda like it.  I agree that the attic window is more for ventilation. Most people don't really notice the attic window. They are usually small anyway. If you have glass in it,then it would attact the viewer's eye.   I like the thought of shuttering them,but would that attract the viewer's eye?  I'd think you'd want the viewer to see the building and not focus on the attic window.   Maybe board it up in such a way that no one notices there is a window there. Just my thought anyway.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 01, 2011, 05:38:52 AM
I build two types of dioramas ones that physically exist in museums and ones that exist in pictures only.The second type is a lot like a film or stage play where you build and bring all the components together and record the images as they once existed in the composition.You still get to make all the parts ,scratch or otherwise ,which is really the most fun in model making,but it is really the composition of these parts that tell the story.In fact when finished I often like the pictures of the piece more than the actual model.It is a lot of fun playing with the lighting,camera angles etc...doing all the things that movie directors get to do but on a small scale.An added bonus is that you still get to keep your models and display them the way you want.One nice idea would be to display your model with pictures of it in its original diorama setting.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 01, 2011, 05:50:47 AM
Either way,you are still having fun.   Museum pieces make others happy and you can take pride in them.The ones you keep for yourself are the ones you should cherish. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 03, 2011, 04:55:35 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 03, 2011, 04:59:33 AM
just looking at this thread for the first time. great work John!

Several of your posts on the first few pages of this thread say "This photo is unavailable fro photobucket." Did you delete your account or remove the photos from there? (If yes, perhaps you'd wanna delete those posts?)

Thank you ! Glad you like my stuff.
Sorry about the deleted pics,it happened when I moved things around.Will remove when I get the time. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 03, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
I like the upstairs windows the way they are. Looks like they're open,yet the viewer cannot see any light coming from the room rather it be from a lamp or the sun shining through. Leave it like that?  As far as the building itself,it looks great from that angle. With the attic window being on the side, it wouldn't much matter what you do with it,however,if you dress it up from the outside,it would attract attention away from the building itself.I think so anyway.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 04, 2011, 05:55:59 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 04, 2011, 06:00:38 AM
I like the upstairs windows the way they are. Looks like they're open,yet the viewer cannot see any light coming from the room rather it be from a lamp or the sun shining through. Leave it like that?  As far as the building itself,it looks great from that angle. With the attic window being on the side, it wouldn't much matter what you do with it,however,if you dress it up from the outside,it would attract attention away from the building itself.I think so anyway.

You are right ! I have decided to just board it up.It will also give me a chance to weather it a little more than usual as it probably wouldn't get as many coats of paint as elsewhere.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 04, 2011, 08:37:46 AM
That sounds good! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 05, 2011, 05:39:21 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 05, 2011, 08:47:32 AM
The doors are perfect as is the window.   :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 06, 2011, 05:22:41 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 06, 2011, 09:29:48 AM
I must be hungry,those bricks look like Graham crackers. ;)    Seriously,it looks good! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 07, 2011, 03:01:54 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 07, 2011, 03:40:01 PM
Looks like a false window. I like it!   :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 08, 2011, 07:16:35 AM
I find that it is a lot of fun building history into a wall . :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 08, 2011, 09:04:44 AM
And you're doing it well.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 09, 2011, 06:04:19 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 09, 2011, 01:33:39 PM
Placements look good to me. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 12, 2011, 04:41:52 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 12, 2011, 08:45:49 PM
Looking good! The viewer will appreciate the scene setup.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 18, 2011, 06:04:52 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/Backyard%20Flyer%20page%202/th_Backyardflyer497.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/Backyard%20Flyer%20page%202/?action=view&current=Backyardflyer497.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 18, 2011, 06:34:53 AM
I have made up a series of pics on how to repair a crack when landscaping a vignette or diorama.They are pretty much self explanatory and can be found by clicking on the thumbnail.
If at any time you feel that there is something that you don't understand or the pics are not clear enough please feel free to stop me and ask any questions on the" how to..s" of diorama building.If I don't have the answer I will try to find it for you.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 20, 2011, 06:50:49 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 20, 2011, 08:50:20 AM
Looking good!  The bucket appears to have a crack at the bottom of the seam. It matches the authenticity of the scene.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 20, 2011, 04:54:25 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 20, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
You have a good eye ! I love doing detail like this. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 20, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
You have a good eye ! I love doing detail like this. :)
       That's why you're good at what you do!   I try to look at every little detail. That's what Sergio did.Every little detail was examined to make sure it fit the scene.We both are learning from the master. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 25, 2011, 06:23:46 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 25, 2011, 06:27:08 AM
You are so right ! I have studied his work carefully and he is the master O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 25, 2011, 07:08:58 AM

Just for fun I put all 5 modules together to take a few forced perspective pics of various subjects. I enjoy playing around with the camera using the facade as a backdrop.None of the models depicted are finished they are here for composition purposes only.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 25, 2011, 07:35:41 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/Backyard%20Flyer%20page%202/th_backyardflyer527.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/Backyard%20Flyer%20page%202/?action=view&current=backyardflyer527.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 25, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
Looks like the real deal!  Sergio would be pleased!!!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 26, 2011, 10:13:04 AM
The following is a great free online book for novice diorama builders.The author Ken Hamilton has kindly OK'd it to be published here.This book is now out of print.Thanks Ken.Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 26, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/mercman51/DIO%20Book/


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 30, 2011, 06:47:23 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on June 30, 2011, 07:14:17 AM
Meanwhile the leaf arrangement continues as it is still raining a lot here in my area of the GWN.

I originally thought that this would be a Spring scene but with all the leaves it looks more like Fall.Leaves that have spent the Winter under snow are more compacted come Springtime.I have noticed that just before the first snowfall gardeners tend to dig up the old flowers and vegy gardens so that would explain the bare ground.Some small bushes and the grass can stay quite green right up until the first snowfall.The only thing that I really need to change are the sprouting tulip bulbs.
This change of seasons will also give me much more room for decorating and weathering the whole scene with leaves on the roof and gutters etc.....

As far as the storyline is concerned,Spring was a nice statement about the renewal of life but Fall would work just as well as a story of the end of something.Those last few days before the first snowfall in Canada can be quite dramatic as it seems that nature just stands still for a moment in time waiting for the onslaught.
A walk in the forest at this time of year is an unforgettable experience here in the GWN.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on June 30, 2011, 10:57:43 AM
The golden leaves of fall!  So beautiful!  Here in Wisconsin,fall is amazing!  Golden leaves make the scene look so pretty!   Don't go back to a spring  scene. Spring itself is beautiful,but for the viewer,fall colors are better!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 01, 2011, 07:18:02 AM
I recently read in the local newspaper that a large RR diorama (layout) here in Montreal is being forced to find a new home.The problem is there never was any plans made for this eventuality and there is no way to take it apart.
So another huge piece of modeling history will now end up in the garbage due to poor planning.
I see this often too on an individual level.Guys take a lifetime to build layouts that can't be moved and are just too big for most homes.Some of these are really little works of art that deserve a better fate. Someday they will probably be highly sought after by collectors ,hobbyists and museums ( after most have already been tossed in the garbage) as examples of our brief historical era of modeling will then be quite rare.
If you care about the fate of your stuff and I think most of us do,give a little thought about the future and do your stuff in modular sections or even a series of mini-dioramas that can easily be taken apart.I don't know how many times I have overheard the RR guys at the local hobby store talking about this very subject in very sad tones of too bad about this guys layout and what a shame about that guys layout when a little pre-planning may have made all the difference.Modules are really the modern way to go now if you care about the future of your stuff.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 01, 2011, 09:32:30 AM
That is so sad. I hate to see a piece of history being junked. A lot of blood sweat and tears went into that diorama, as is the case with any diorama. No one expects their hard work to be thrown out.  Everyone from the builder to the museum director,if one is placed there,should always have some sort of contingency plan. No one thinks far enough ahead and like you said,there needs to be a way to be able to take things apart for a short time.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 01, 2011, 06:06:43 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 02, 2011, 07:23:40 AM
Sticking leaves to a flat surface where you don't want to use spray alcohol because of its effect on the acrylic paint has to be approached a little differently.
I use straight white glue put on with a small brush,sprinkle the leaves on and blow off any excess.Subsequent areas that require more leaves can be built up using an eyedropper for the alcohol and then the usual water/glue mix .
Take a look at the normal patterns in nature created by the wind and rain and vary your leaf patterns accordingly.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 02, 2011, 05:20:49 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/Backyard%20Flyer%20page%202/th_Backyardflyer560.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Backyard%20Flyer%20dio4/Backyard%20Flyer%20page%202/?action=view&current=Backyardflyer560.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 02, 2011, 05:50:59 PM
Ah,yes!  You have done well,grasshopper!  After all these years of crafting,I guessed at how you did the leaves and surprisingly,I was right.  Didn't forget as much as I thought.  Keep up the great work and keep explaining how you are doing it.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: tintinteslacoil on July 07, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
I wanted to do a diorama of DYS--John and Juan at the bridge of San Jorge, and the trains colliding in the background. Found a  toy Vickers and an MG42 (different scales) and a couple old toy steamer locomotives of about 1900 Vintage. Again, they were two different scales.

I started this in Jan, 2010, but was "indisposed" a few months after March. I  very quickly lost my taste for making mock ups of explosions, and quit on it. I couldn't find any figures even  Close to the scale of the machine guns, anyway.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 08, 2011, 07:35:58 AM
More on modules.
A few posts ago I mentioned something about building layouts and large dioramas using modules.
I was back in the same hobby store yesterday and made some more inquiries .Evidently,they had two scales on display there "N" (very small scale) and "H" (larger).Someone had the foresight to do the "N" scale in modules and they moved it out in a single morning.Unfortunately the "H" scale will have to be busted up.They are going to try to preserve portions of it if they can.
With all the modern electrical fixtures ,quick dis-connects etc... there should be no excuse for this in the future.With a little planning in the beginning this hassle could have been avoided .
On a more personal level I am sure that a lot of families would love to be spared the agony of putting Uncle Joe's or Grandpa Jim's layout in the garbage because it is just too big and difficult to move.A lot of these decisions have to be made quickly at a very bad time in people's lives and some very fine work and in some cases real artwork is lost forever.
Modules could be built as separate dioramas each with its own little story and complete scene that when put together makes for an even bigger story.
Take nice overall pics of the huge layout as it once was and then create a picture book for your each modular section that could go with it to its new home.Even museums could make a very nice display of your work and put it in context for the viewer without have to find space for the whole thing.
Maybe it is because I am going on 71 now and these things have become more important to me.We all get old some day and faster than you think,believe me.This may not be important to you now but maybe someday it will.Do your family a favor and plan ahead.
Someday layouts will be as rare as old baseball cards are today and probably just as valuable.Lets face it we are in the golden age of modeling when old farts like me are realizing their boyhood dreams and have the money to do so.What I could buy with my allowance as a kid is history now.Times change rapidly today and a lot of stuff competes for our attention and money.

Personally I don't do large layouts but I do large aircraft dioramas in modular form and donate them to Canada Aviation Museum.Even if there comes a time that that they no longer want them chances are the airplane models themselves will survive as historical examples or maybe in a future collectors home.I feel good to at least have given my stuff a survival plan.
Nothing is forever but humans have since ancient times loved models of all kinds and probably will continue to do so.Kids never change and future imaginations will thank you for it and so will the memories of future older folk too .


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 08, 2011, 09:40:05 AM
Hey John, I'll be 50 in January. My body feels old,my mind has a lot of catching up to do.  ;)   As far as planning for the future in regards to modeling,I agree.  That's one of the things I've been doing,is planning for the future. One never knows what is going to happen and the best thing to do is make plans and let your loved ones know of your wishes. GOD is the only one who knows for sure when our time is up,but it is good to plan ahead,just in case. You are at an age that these things matter.My dad is the same way. He'll be 79 in December and even his service in Korea has become more important to him. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 08, 2011, 05:56:57 PM
50 ? your still a kid ! Say hello to your dad for me and thank him for his service.Luckily I never had to fight a war.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 08, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
I wanted to do a diorama of DYS--John and Juan at the bridge of San Jorge, and the trains colliding in the background. Found a  toy Vickers and an MG42 (different scales) and a couple old toy steamer locomotives of about 1900 Vintage. Again, they were two different scales.

I started this in Jan, 2010, but was "indisposed" a few months after March. I  very quickly lost my taste for making mock ups of explosions, and quit on it. I couldn't find any figures even  Close to the scale of the machine guns, anyway.
Please give it another go ! interest is 90% of it anyway. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 08, 2011, 06:18:04 PM
Dad says hello back. He likes what you are doing as well.  Thanks for calling me a kid! Makes me feel good.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 10, 2011, 07:52:55 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 10, 2011, 10:33:19 AM
Looks like a real tree late in the fall. I like it!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 11, 2011, 04:47:52 PM

I have started a new thread over on The Aerodrome.com on building basic wood structures for dioramas.It is intended to be for modelers of all kinds who are not familiar with working with wood.
I will in the future also put it up here as well ,when I get all the bugs worked out.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 11, 2011, 05:16:56 PM
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/53240-basic-wood-structures-dioramas.html


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 16, 2011, 01:40:16 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 16, 2011, 02:37:51 PM
Pink fence!  I like it!!!    That will definately attract the viewer's eye.  Part of the fence looks very sturdy,while part looks as if a little dog could wiggle through it.  Keep it like that!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on July 16, 2011, 05:25:56 PM
Just out of curiosity what scale are you using John?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: tintinteslacoil on July 20, 2011, 10:25:37 AM
Please give it another go ! interest is 90% of it anyway. :)

After going to Jail for 9 months and facing 6-21 years in prison for trumped charges of:"explosives"; it sort of Cooled my Interest. I hope you understand. I didn't want to Mention this. :(

BTW, all I had was some rocket fuel. The cops tried to make it into "ANFO', etc. They are corrupt....


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 20, 2011, 12:01:15 PM
Yes,I agree!  Don't give it up.   Life is too short,whatever the situation.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 24, 2011, 06:34:28 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 24, 2011, 07:33:00 AM
The following excerpt is from "The Road Not Taken" a poem by Robert Frost

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood,and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Robert Frost.
Courtesy of WSP.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 18, 2011, 07:34:41 AM
 :)Please note:

For anyone who was following my day by day posts over on theaerodrome.com please see the following site for a continuation of that thread.

http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=179956&page=2


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 18, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
The earlier post of your two roads has a powerful message.  It helped me.  Thanks for posting it.  Getting older is not for wimps! Having fibromyalgia makes one look at life differently. Never give up,there is always hope and meds!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 18, 2011, 10:56:54 AM
I have the same problem also, I know what you are going through.All the best bud ,I hope that the meds are effective for you.John. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 18, 2011, 03:46:31 PM
THANKS!   The meds are expensive,but if it helps,I'm happy!   The loop goes on and on...the more pain you have,the more the depression and anxiety come out and that in turn makes the pain worse.  So nice to know I'm not alone with this.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 18, 2011, 04:35:01 PM
I know exactly where you are coming from.I have just got back enough energy to get back to modeling.When I get like that I lose my interest in everything even the things I love most.If I didn't have this problem my diorama would long be finished.Been there,done that! Stay strong, John.
Speaking about modeling I better get back at it. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 18, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 18, 2011, 04:50:33 PM
The old grass tuft is where the nose wheel will be placed.The two light spots are where the main wheels go.The bare strip between is the area under the engine and radiator.

Please note: I soon will be back at the Sergio piece and working on"The General" locomotive.This landscaping that I am doing now will apply to that piece as well.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 18, 2011, 06:48:17 PM
Lookin' good!   Looking forward to seeing the "General" as you work on it.   Side note: Dad and I went on a short steam train excursion last week.  We both love those steam locomotives. This one had the rare saddle tanks.  Most steamers w/ saddle tanks had been scrapped a very long time ago.   The owner was very much involved in every detail during the hour long trips and while it was idle.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 19, 2011, 07:20:46 AM
When chipping away at the landscaping trying to dig a hole for the wheel/grass areas ,I came to realize just how strong this sand/glue or earth/ glue mix really is.
Anything that you would want to build for strength or that you would want to look like real cement ,such as sidewalks,cement blocks etc..this technique would be worthwhile experimenting with.
For example ,when making a cement block you would make a simple form,it could be wood or something else and then insulate the form and the cement from one another using wax paper or other water impervious material so the two will not be glued together and the block could later easily be removed.The properties and color etc..of your materials can be chosen to represent real thing.(Landscaping suppliers have lots of choices)Fancier molds could also be made for miniature statues etc..
Check your piece that you want to represent for color ,texture etc..(sand and real earth are available in different textures and colors) and then mix up a batch as follows.
It is a good idea to sterilize anything that you take from nature so heat it up in the oven or BBQ until hot to kill any possible critters laying about.The longer you heat it in a BBQ and depending on the temperature you heat it to, the sand/earth can be made to vary in color from natural to black.
Cool and then take your baked earth/sand and mix it with alcohol (75%) until it is the consistency that you require or you could pour the dry material into the mold and then use an eye dropper to apply the alcohol until it is thoroughly damp.Take another dispenser,(I use a small plastic squeeze bottle for this) and then drip by drip thoroughly wet down your sand/earth/alcohol mix until it is wet with another mix of 75% water and 25% white carpenters glue.This mix could also be colored using water based acrylics.Let dry,remove it from the form and you will have imitation cement.Have fun!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 22, 2011, 03:23:55 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 22, 2011, 03:36:09 PM
I like it!! Something familiar about that trailer though.  ;)   


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 22, 2011, 03:43:15 PM
Your right it is an old Ford A truck bed . O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 22, 2011, 06:55:25 PM
Ah,that's why it looks familiar. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 23, 2011, 07:18:14 AM
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pic courtesy of Achime Engels
100 years later,some things never change ! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 23, 2011, 08:10:12 AM
Be a nice looking plane when it's finished.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 24, 2011, 05:18:24 AM
An old fashioned Western movie set diorama.

Please note:

I have opened a new thread called "Once upon a time in the movies" and slightly changed the storyline of this diorama to better describe to the average viewer what it is about.While it is primarily still in honor of the great director Sergio Leone, the storyline itself has been slightly altered to  about " how movies were made the old fashioned way." O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 24, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
The old fashioned way. I like it!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2011, 01:07:23 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 25, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
I like the way you have everything on the doors. I like the weathered look.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 25, 2011, 01:32:47 PM
At the end of one of his choices of roads to take, sits his homes garage.The sign could of been put up by his kids or his mom or even his dad.I wanted the sign to be really subtle as if someone took some glue and cardboard or paper and just pasted it there.I don't want it to be too obvious, more to catch the views eye on maybe the second pass over the scene.A kind of " Oh Look " moment.

Please note: the unusual shape of this garage door is because it used to have an arched doorway to a stable for horses.The addition of the later siding squared it off to unusual proportions.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 25, 2011, 02:48:35 PM
Don't know about anyone else,but I like the way the garage doors are.  The welcome home sign is so warming. To someone on a journey regardless of which path he or she has taken,it is always good to be welcomed home.  Don't change anything.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 26, 2011, 05:10:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 26, 2011, 05:41:26 AM
At the end of the other "Road Taken" lies a "Dead End" quite literally one of loss and destruction, represented here by the old burned out car and all the dead leaves.The sign represents the folly of misplaced patriotism by the public and the pressure that was put on the young to get involved in giving up their lives for nothing.
On a personal note : My view is that WW1 and most other wars are a waste of good lives on both sides. WW2 on the other hand was unfortunately necessary to rid humanity of a great evil.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 26, 2011, 08:34:19 AM
WOW!!!   A lot of work went into that scene and it shows!  The victory bonds sign adds the question "what is going on here?". It makes the viewer have to think about what they are looking at.  Having had my car get caught on fire years ago makes me understand the darkness of the "dead end" road.  I think you captured the scene perfectly and many viewers will be able to relate. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 27, 2011, 04:44:15 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 27, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
I like it!  I see you added the sign saying to ENLIST!   I get the feeling you have something very important on you mind as you are working on this piece. I wouldn't change the scene at all!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2011, 06:17:42 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
Why Keep Posting ?
You may be asking yourself,why does he keep posting this stuff when there is so little active response to his posts?

Number one is, to fulfill a promise that I made to myself 12 years ago to spread the word about dioramas as far and as wide as I possibly could,simply because I love dioramas.

Number two is, how do I know anybody is tuning in ? well in only one year I have got almost a million hits on my photobucket site. Yes,I can't believe it either.Most are repeats but still a million hits is very encouraging to keep on going with this stuff.
On occasion someone will tell me how they have been following my stuff for a long time ,sometimes on another site.

Number three is the amount of hits that I get on some websites that I post to.You guys may not always respond but I know that you are following along.

I want to thank all you guys and gals who have supported me now and in the past.You will never know how much your support means to this old guy. Cheers ! John. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 28, 2011, 10:54:34 AM
Now that is one very burnt car!  Perfect place for it!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
A large scale diorama can be built for taking pictures of all types of models.They can be built expressly for that purpose or as in my case as a temporary backdrop before I ship it off.This backdrop was originally made for my airplane diorama "The Road Taken".The airplane has been temporary stored in my home and can be re-installed back in the diorama in as little as five minutes.Actually I have more fun taking pictures than the actual modeling and in some cases I like the pictures better than the model or diorama.Storyboarding using your own pictures is also a lot of fun too when using them in a picture book or album.In my case the storyboard albums will be for members of my family and friends because the real thing will be gone to a better home.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 28, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 28, 2011, 07:13:58 PM
Ah,yes!  The railroad car.   Fun to build,fun to look at and fun in real life to ride in.   Pictures I have found are the best way to preserve the memories of what you have done and can be given to family and friends as presents.  A person can look back at their work and be proud of what they have accomplished.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2011, 03:25:21 AM
And they don't take up much space either ! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2011, 06:49:02 AM
A large scale diorama can be built for taking pictures of all types of models.They can be built expressly for that purpose or as in my case as a temporary backdrop before I ship it off.This backdrop was originally made for my airplane diorama "The Road Taken".The airplane has been temporary stored in my home and can be re-installed back in the diorama in as little as five minutes.Actually I have more fun taking pictures than the actual modeling and in some cases I like the pictures better than the model or diorama.Storyboarding using your own pictures is also a lot of fun too when using them in a picture book or album.In my case the storyboard albums will be for members of my family and friends because the real thing will be gone to a better home.
This thread is about ideas not a specific type or genre of modeling.Website owners please feel free to move it or delete it at your own discretion if you feel that it does not meet the standards of your site.I don't mind,honest !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2011, 07:25:28 AM
Warning!! the next picture that you see may be disturbing to some viewers, yes it is a car. I used it here only for information purposes.Airplane,RR,figure guys etc...will just have to try to avoid looking at it ! Please let me explain.

The pic below depicts a car of course but it really could be anything.The point here is the backdrop and how it was used to create a little vignette within the larger diorama.
Here I have taken a 1/18th scale car and put it in a 1/16th scale diorama.By using camera angles,lighting,focus,forced perspective etc... I was able to create the illusion that it is all the same scale.
I deliberately selected a very shiny new car right out of the showroom for this example. Using proper lighting I was able to control any excessive shine which would otherwise only serve to make it look toy like.This is especially true of figures.You have to learn how to control the shine.Even in this picture it is still quite shiny but you should see it if I didn't play around with it a bit.
My technique is very simple, I just experiment and shoot lots of pics using different kinds of lighting.I have no professional equipment and I use a point and shoot camera.(In the old film days ,I wound be broke by now.)If you get 1 in 20 that looks good you will be lucky.Don't spend a lot of time and money on fancy equipment,you just don't need it.Most of my pics that I am taking now of an outdoor scene I just bounce the light off a white ceiling and use a hand held clip on light with a 60W bulb to produce shadows.Don't be afraid to keep moving the light around by hand until you get what your looking for.Sometimes an accidental shot will be the best of the bunch.
For my indoor shots in hangars etc.. I usually set up overhead lighting controlled by a rheostat especially when I am using figures to take advantage of the shadows that this produces, which is usually better than anything that I can paint on by hand.Simply underpaint only and play with the light to bring out the detail.In a controlled light setting this works very well.My figures for example look best indoors and in artificial light.Outdoors I have got to work a little harder but either way I am no Shep Paine with painting figures,that's for sure.

To make the scene look like it is all one scale there are a few things that can be played with.Camera angle is one.Low angle shots worked best in this case as it distorts the scale.Out of focus background also helps.Take shots that don't give it away.For example anything that is of readily known proportions like figures in the foreground or windows in the background must be used very carefully.In the above pic for example the fence can come in various sizes in real life but everyone knows the approximate size of a standard door or window from that era.

to be continued.......


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2011, 10:46:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 29, 2011, 11:21:29 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 29, 2011, 02:25:31 PM
I have to admit,I like it! Both the car and the figures.  A viewer should be able to tell the difference between what is the model  and what is the real thing.  In my view,that's all it is,a model.   If someone takes it out of context,then they are not really interested in the diarama.   :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 06:08:26 AM
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A blast from the past!

The 4 diorama for the museum is almost finished and I will start back on the Sergio piece ASAP! Can't wait to get back at it. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 06:58:22 AM
pics above
Pic 1
-two guys standing in the door is an example of indoor overhead controlled lighting.Of course the painting could be better,especially the faces,but when viewed at a natural viewer distance in its protective case it looks just fine for my purposes.
Pic 2
-special lighting effects for photography can easily be set up.Here for example,the overhead hangar lights have been shut off and I simply shone a hand held light through the door and windows and moved it around to create interesting shadows.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 07:30:27 AM
Please note;
I will be returning to my Sergio Leone RR piece today .My last aviation diorama is now, for all intents and purposes, finished.I want to thank you guys for bearing with me while I was posting things not directly related to RR's.I hope that you got something out of it.
I would however like to continue using other genres of modeling as  examples for picture taking purposes,  lighting ,camera angles etc.. All of my finished  references are not RR subjects,in fact this is my first RR adventure since I was a child playing with my electric trains in the 1940's.I guess that you could call it going back to my roots.Most of my pics from now on will be RR. Thank you ! Cheers. John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 30, 2011, 07:49:57 AM
I don't know about anyone else,but I happen to like the different diaramas you have been working on.  A person should be able to appreciate more than one thing when it comes to modeling.  You have been doing a terrific job and I will continue to support what you are doing.Whether it be the RR,airplane or whatever.  I hope others will do the same!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on August 30, 2011, 08:21:41 AM
I'm enjoying them O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 09:46:54 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 10:11:58 AM
The facade lighting is from the empty space in the back of the diorama that is normally covered with plywood.Here I am just just a 60w bulb to see if any light is still shining through the bricks after I painted the other side black.
The rooms with closed drapes or blinds with be painted various colors on the board in back.This should give each room a different color glow when lighted.The open windows will either be covered with wallpaper or painted ,with maybe a picture or clock hanging on the wall for added interest.I will have to experiment a bit here with the colors and the intensity of the light.
Would my dollhouse friends who follow my posts have some good ideas on this ?
Maybe using LED's ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 01:25:36 PM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 30, 2011, 01:46:33 PM
I like the firewood sitting by the building. The viewer can see the wood and assume the building has a stove for heat. One thing caught my eye. I noticed the bottom window on the right is either a bit crooked and the panes don't match or my eyes are getting worse. The trailer sitting by the wood also suggests that it is being used to haul the wood.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 30, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
My next diorama is called "Once Upon A Time In The Movies" .It is my idea of how a movie set may have looked like back in the 1960's and is pure fantasy .It is a piece that I have dedicated to the great Italian film director Sergio Leone.The theme is old Western movie making based upon my favorite movie "Once Upon A Time In The West."
This diorama will be in 1/24 scale.I plan to have lots of fun with this one !I am presently building a locomotive as a movie prop based upon the old General model kit.Well here goes !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 31, 2011, 04:16:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 31, 2011, 05:20:40 AM
 

Here is a brief review of what I have done on this diorama prior to now.

The above illustration is of a typical movie set.

Of course everything starts with a little research on the subject that you are interested in.Pick a subject that is really personal to you,something that you love and not what others think you should love.If your heart is really in it that will see you through the rough periods and there always are a few of those along the way in any creative project.
Once you have a subject in mind the next step is the most important you will take.Research,research,research,get to know your subject really well.
The web ,libraries,museums books,magazines,films etc.. are good places to start. In my case with this project I have a huge advantage, I have the movie itself which I can stop and study frame by frame.
Other than for me personally, this diorama will be more instructive than emotional for the viewer.The last two dioramas that I have done were designed to involve the viewer emotional in the piece and send a message of some kind.This time it will be a more descriptive piece,how they used to make movies.
It is however emotional for me personally as I am a great fan of Sergio and have guided myself in the making of my dioramas the way he made movies,except mine are only one frame long.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 31, 2011, 06:28:54 AM
First I made a 3D mockup of what I am planning.I like to use this for reference purposes as I find that it really helps to put everything in context.It is not written in stone though, nothing is with my style of modeling as I want the freedom to change things right up until the end of the project.This helps keep me interested too as I never know where it will end up.

Anything that I measure on the HO mockup I simply multiply by 3.625 for 1/24 scale.Speaking about scales I sometimes cheat a little and call it Artistic License.A good example of this is the locomotive kit I am using which is actually 1/25 scale in a 1/24 scale diorama but unless I told you ,you probably would not have noticed and you guys are much more familiar with scale than the general public would ever be.
My goal here is eventually find a good museum as a home for this diorama, because of its descriptive nature I want it to be seen by the public.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 31, 2011, 07:09:38 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/Gscaletrains018-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 31, 2011, 07:39:21 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/railcarset.jpg)
A typical Sergio set.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 31, 2011, 08:20:15 AM
I have no doubt that you will have fun building the new diarama. Every new piece is a learning experience. And of course,the viewer will see the hard work and dedication you put into each piece as well.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 31, 2011, 09:50:12 AM
Sergio is the fellow with the hat and white shirt standing by the rear door next to the light.I don't know from which of his movies this pic comes from but it looks like one of his westerns that he was so famous for.
My closed set will be quite different as the diorama will depict an old abandoned movie set with no figures except for maybe a ghost or two.(every old western set needs one).

The HO train cars on the piece of round plywood is the basic design so far.The caboose with the cardboard roof will be the station from the opening scene of the movie.The locomotive will be pretty much as you see here except it will be a prop.
The green boxcar will actually be a closed set passenger car in the diorama.Somewhere in the scene I plan to put an old directors chair with Sergio written on the back.

Originally I was going to do this piece as a set from the film.I have since changed my mind actually I now plan to make it a long abandoned set from that era.I really enjoy making things look old and weathered (like me) and I think that it will add some emotion to the piece.Sergio died at 60 at the height of his artistic abilities and I want to honor that sense of loss of a man that still had so much more to give.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2011, 05:08:54 AM
Well I guess that I might as pick up where I left off building the locomotive as a prop to be used in the movie set.You will remember that I am using "The General" kit as my starting point and I am now adapting it to look like a movie prop.There is lots of nice detail to work with here and it is an eye-saving 1/25 scale.
This is my first RR diorama and my first attempt at building a scale model locomotive so please if you see that I am going down a wrong path I would appreciate it if you more experienced builders would advise me.I have run electric(yes we had electricity way back then, LOL) trains on and off for 65 years now but never had this building opportunity before.
I can't remember exactly what my first train was but it was back in Toronto just after dad returned from overseas about 1945 .I do remember him saying though before one of his flights "Don't leave it plugged in too long you will burn out the transformer"Well he wasn't gone long and I proceeded to do just that.It became a push train after that. :-[


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 04, 2011, 05:28:04 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/Onceuponatimeinthemovies001-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 04, 2011, 07:22:39 AM
Having fun? 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 04, 2011, 08:39:30 AM
Yeah I am ! it is nice to be doing something different for a change. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2011, 06:02:06 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral031-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 05, 2011, 06:31:44 AM
This is my first locomotive build so it is taking me a lot longer than it normally would with an airplane build where I pretty much know where everything goes.The sand box cover and the steam dome came already painted brass but I didn't like it.Too shiny and it needed cleaning up of the flash along the seam lines.I stripped the old paint off,softly sanded them,scrubbed them clean and then applied gold paint which is close enough to a brass color for now.Later when I weather the whole thing I will adjust it as required.
The running boards are gray in color and will likewise be weathered later.My final step on any model that is not meant to be handled a lot is the use of pastels.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 05, 2011, 08:52:21 AM
That gold paint is an eye catcher.  It's good that this is the first locomotive you've worked on.This way you can take your time and enjoy it.  I enjoy all locomotives,but prefer steamers.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2011, 03:56:22 AM
I have mixed opinions about this kit.The accuracy I cannot vouch for one way or another because I simply do not know enough about locomotives of this era.
The quality however shows its age.The main problems are the type of plastic used and the molds.The plastic is of a type that makes it very difficult to remove the all too present flash.Normally I like to do this with a sharp Xacto or some gentle sanding.This is a type of plastic that does not sand well as it is too soft.The larger parts are OK but the small parts are very difficult to work with and break very easily.I have spent a lot of time on repairs.The brass parts all require that the paint be removed, the flash removed ,and then repainted with acrylics.Nothing looks worse than seem lines on shiny brass.The acrylics do not stick to the surface very well and must be lightly sanded,then washed and undercoated with gesso before the final finish is applied.
If I was doing this as a stand alone model as a new shiny example of a new locomotive of this era I would have to do a lot of scratch building.For what I am using it for as an old rusty and weathered piece it is adequate for my purposes and should look pretty good when finished properly.
The plastic kit making industry has come a long way since this kit was manufactured especially in aircraft modeling in 1/32 scale.The new kits have perfect fits and almost build themselves but as an old time modeler I find that just painting someone else work can be a little boring.I enjoy a challenge and have the time to spend rebuilding stuff whereas most modelers today don't want to invest that much of their free time scratchbuilding.
In todays fast paced world it is quite understandable.
We are living in the golden era of the kit but it wouldn't last long as they are too expensive for kids now and the old now have the money but are just getting older.In the end our hobby will survive as man has always been fascinated by model making throughout the ages. Maybe scratchbuilding will make a comeback but with a lot fewer modelers doing it though.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 06, 2011, 04:53:42 AM
May I suggest you go to your local library?  They should have or could order a copy of a book,the name of it escapes me,all about steam locomotives and the various parts,what they are and what they do. It might help.  Not many young people understand how much work it takes to put a kit together nor are they interested in scratchbuilding.  Remember the 8 track? Today,youngsters have no idea what that was.  In any case,take your time,enjoy what you are doing and know you have people that will cheer you on!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2011, 03:14:06 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral037-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 06, 2011, 03:43:10 PM
Looks like you've been doing a lot of painting. Amazingly,all the gadgets look better in your picture than they do on the real locomotives. Inside the cab can get pretty dusty and dirty.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 06, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
real cab shots for reference:

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/DSC00198.jpg)

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/DSC00144.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 06, 2011, 05:24:10 PM
Thank you so much those pics are great !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 07, 2011, 04:40:55 AM
Now that's what I'm talking about!!!   


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2011, 07:08:56 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/Thegeneral039.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 10, 2011, 07:34:23 AM
You have been busy!  Looks like the real thing!!! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 10, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/Angelo%20Novi%20pics/Angelonovi001-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 11, 2011, 04:12:55 AM
Here is a pic of the great director himself in action on the set of Once upon a time......It is taken near the cab of a Spanish locomotive in Spain, by Angelo Novi Sergio's personal stills photographer.
My locomotive will be a little different and is actually closer to the real thing in design.I have chosen to build a fake locomotive and use it as a prop as was commonly done back in earlier times.My General will be a shell built of wood and tin and depicted sitting on a track waiting for the actors return which never came.
Although I don't believe it ever happened in this case, props were often built after the main movie was shot and used in re-takes.It was a lot less expensive this way.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 11, 2011, 08:23:14 AM
On the set of the tv show,The WILD WILD WEST, the steamer was real as were the cars. Sergio,when filming his movies,used the real deal. Props were used when deemed necessary. Movie studios leased the steamers used in their films,unless there was a crash scene,as in THE GOOD GUYS AND THE BAD GUYS.Then a prop was used. The Jupiter,which still exists,was the steamer used in the tv show.  Regardless of how you make your version,the viewer,if he or she isn't a rail fan,won't know the difference.They will just see a excellent piece of work done by a dedicated man of his craft. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2011, 03:44:40 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral043.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2011, 03:58:26 AM
I am just starting the interior sheathing of the forward cab wall using coffee stir stiks.This is a long procedure of cut and fit,cut and fit,filing around windows etc....These boards will be painted a weathered green .
I have continued to dull the brass using a very thin wash of raw umber either brushed on or sprayed using the old toothbrush method.
The exterior of the cab will be painted a weathered orange to look like a well faded red color and then worked over with pastels.This diorama represents a long abandoned movie set.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2011, 06:11:55 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time/sergioleone10.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 12, 2011, 06:15:07 AM
The beautiful Claudia. Photographer unknown.
I believe that this movie script was the only Western ever written for a woman. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 12, 2011, 08:32:45 AM
Without Claudia,the movie wouldn't have worked! Sergio had the correct cast in place. O0  I like the fact that you are going to make the locomotive look as if it had been abandoned by the crew long ago. Actually,you aren't too far off. Some of the railcars I have seen that have been abandoned look pretty bad.  :-[


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 13, 2011, 04:37:37 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral052-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 13, 2011, 05:45:48 AM
Looking good!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 13, 2011, 08:40:52 AM
agreed


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 13, 2011, 12:33:33 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral064.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 13, 2011, 01:58:07 PM
Right now,it looks pretty good just the way it is. I know you want it to look as if it's been abandoned for quite a while. There is an old SOO LINE engine,painted orange,and looking as if it had been sitting in the weeds for years,that goes through town here pretty much on a daily basis. Canadian Pacific uses a variety of engines down here,but that particular one raises eyebrows.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 14, 2011, 08:09:45 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral063-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 14, 2011, 08:54:24 AM
Doing good!  I like the shadows in the cab,intentional or not.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 17, 2011, 05:49:32 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral069-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 17, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
I have temporarily taped the cab together to make sure that it all fits together before doing the finishing.Now I will break it down again and finish each panel individually.What looks like green barnsiding in the next picture is my standard method of aging wood stir stiks that I have discussed many times before when building old hangars.The important thing to remember is not be too neat and tidy as you want to retain the human randomness element in this type of work for it to look natural.On the other hand,remember only man plants trees in rows.Play with it and above all have fun,don't be in a rush to finish .Treat each object you do as a individual model in itself.Every piece that you do deserves the same attention whether it is that board behind the toilet or the cab instruments or cockpit panel.The key here is consistency and pride in your work !
If you make a mistake, so what, 99% of your viewers will overlook any small errors if the story is good. ;)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 17, 2011, 06:59:47 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral084.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 17, 2011, 08:11:05 AM
I can see the pride you take in your work!  It shows!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 18, 2011, 06:01:30 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral087.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 18, 2011, 06:34:33 AM
I took a brass washer and worked it to the size of the pressure instrument face,blackened it and installed it with glue.I then installed the windows and their frames.
For the side windows I may just install windows on the real side only and leave the other prop side open for picture taking purposes.Sergio loved to frame his shots using doors and windows,I like to do the same so a clear open window option is a necessity.
As you can see working with extreme closeups has its limitations when using some of the lower quality models of yesteryear.Some of today's hi quality models, like Wing nut Wings for example,have much crisper detail and hold their realism well even in 1/32 scale.
Anyway it is what it is and I don't really have any choice right now and at a normal viewing distance it will look OK.If I had more experience building locomotives I would scratch build a lot of these details but for now this will have to do.I have a second General kit that I could use as a reference for scratchbuilding somewhere down the road.
Once the window frames are completely dry I will come back with some pastels to finish them.I am not completely happy with these frames right now so I think that I will add a small strip of wood inside for more realism.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 18, 2011, 08:38:33 AM
I can't tell the difference when looking at the pressure gauge. It looks normal to me.  As for the windows,I agree with you. They do need a bit of realism. But it takes time to sit back,look over your work and decide on what needs more work and what to leave alone. The viewer won't see any difference unless they decide to take a magnifying glass to the piece and I highly doubt anyone would be that cruel to do that. To me,the viewer should look at the piece,enjoy it and wonder how you did it. That to me,is what Sergio would like. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 19, 2011, 01:42:02 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral089.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 19, 2011, 03:07:59 AM
Almost there ! The window frames could use a few rusty nails and maybe a little greenish patina for the brass.
The bottom left where the wall meets the plastic floor already has a nice wood grain effect so I will leave it as is and weather the floor with pastels.A small piece of wood trim should complete this area.It is a good idea to complete everything even things that you figure will not be seen in the finished diorama which is mostly the case at normal viewing distance but the camera has a way of picking up everything good and bad.I take a lot of closeups to check for errors or improvements that could be made to improve" the look " of the piece.My favorite look is old and weathered(like me)Stuff that has some history to it.

These kits are wonderful things for the modern diorama maker if you look at them as a good place to start your modeling of any subject.A lot of the hard stuff like research has already been done by the manufacturer so why re-invent the wheel? I check a few measurements in the beginning stages of any build just to see if they are within the ballpark to satisfy myself that it is a   good subject for modification.Remember that I am not looking for 100% accuracy here but a good representation of a model to be used as a prop for my diorama.I look at all my work as props to help me tell an interesting story, which in turn gives me a lot of artistic freedom to do as I please.Once it is finished I lose complete interest and go on to the next thing,in fact I usually like the pics more than the diorama itself.
Well now back to the subject at hand.I will include a pic here of the kit built out of the box by the manufacturer for comparison purposes.There is nothing wrong with new and shiny or building out of the box it really all depends upon what satisfies you, all of us begin there and some just prefer to develop our own personal style of modeling later on down the road.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 19, 2011, 07:19:05 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral095.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 19, 2011, 08:40:16 AM
It is history! Only the locomotives that are used for excursions actually get new paint and routine maitenance.Those on display,get cleaned for public view,but usually are kept looking the way they were when first built.   As far as the windows,they are starting to look pretty good.I like the idea of weathering the frames.Adds to the realism of the piece. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2011, 05:52:52 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral097.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 20, 2011, 06:28:08 AM
This is slow going because when you add wood sheathing to the cab it changes all the measurements slightly which has to be anticipated and planned for otherwise you wouldn't get a nice tight fit when the cab walls are put together.
In this kit there are no windows provided for the large openings in the side of the cab which is really ok with me for picture taking purposes.I would like to make some removable ones however,does anyone have any good pics of these windows that I could use for reference ? I would like to do this before installing the seat backs.
If anyone sees any obvious mistakes in the cab please let me know before I close it up.Thanks ! if possible I will try to make the cab assembly completely removable.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 20, 2011, 07:40:58 AM
Looks pretty good to me! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on September 20, 2011, 01:38:20 PM
Here you go O0

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/S-2sideview.jpg)

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/S-2cab.jpg)

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/cigarjoe/S-2inyard.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 25, 2011, 05:59:00 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral105.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 25, 2011, 06:01:30 AM
Thanks for those pics cigar joe !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 25, 2011, 08:35:19 AM
The cab looks great!!  Windows are perfect!  Looks like they've been sun bleached,if that's the right wording. Perfect look for a steamer sitting abandoned for a long time.  O0 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 28, 2011, 07:54:45 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral017-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 28, 2011, 04:50:01 PM
I like the color of the cab.Makes the inside of the cab look good.  The viewer will be pleased to see such a display,or at least they should be pleased.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 29, 2011, 04:06:43 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral016-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 29, 2011, 08:35:52 AM
The lighting makes it look like one of the beams of the cab roof is a bit warped. I like it!  I also see that you are starting to fade the color of the cab,or at least,it looks like it to me. In any case,it looks good.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 30, 2011, 04:01:31 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/TheGeneral021-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 30, 2011, 08:30:48 AM
 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 01, 2011, 06:52:39 AM
Major re-think required.
I put the components of the diorama together and decided that what may look good in small scale doesn't look so great in 1/24.
The round base idea needs a revision.I am thinking along the lines of three  vignettes separated with mirrors on a round base.Each vignette would contain its own subject matter,the train,the station,and the closed set passenger car.Another option would be a three sided triangular base.The lighting could be natural or artificial like it would be in a sound stage.
When I have all the components built as three individual movie sets then I will decide on the final arrangement.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 01, 2011, 07:41:04 AM
A round base with mirrors?  Interesting!  Looking back at the film and how Sergio wanted the scenes set up,he had three separate sets,the train had it's own set,as did the station and and the passenger car.  Bunching all three sets together,even on a triangular setting,might not be a good idea. Too much information in a close setting might confuse the viewer. What do you think,cigar joe?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 01, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
I have also been thinking about a wall type scene with all three vignettes in their own frames surrounded by an even larger frame or even three shadowboxs with a mirror behind or just left open.???
...or another option would be to just make a photo essay out of the whole thing and keep the individual models in plexi cases for myself.In the end it is usually the pics that I like best anyway !
I am sure Sergio would agree once the film is in the can ,the props are reduntant. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 01, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
Decisions,decisions...    I'm kinda leanin' towards your original thoughts of  a round,mirrored base. Making it too complicated would ruin what you are trying to convey to the viewer. However,I do like the thought of a picture essay and you keep the pieces for yourself.  On a personal level,I can see why you might want to do that,especially after all your hard work. Props usually are set aside once they are used in a scene and can be recycled for another scene or film.Sergio seemed to feel,like you say,once the film was in the can,the props were not useful any longer.At the same time,some of the more popular props have been put into the Smithsonian or another museum for the generations to enjoy.  Since it is your diarama,you ultimately have the final say. I don't envy you at this point.  :-\


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 02, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/Gscaletrains018-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 02, 2011, 12:47:44 PM
This was my original idea.The inside pencil line represents a 40" table,the outside about 48".It may simply be too crowded at 40".I will play with it and see if I can come up with a simpler solution.The important thing right now is to just get the models finished and then get more into the composition later.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 02, 2011, 01:05:31 PM
Smaller scale models might be good on a round table like you have set up there,but if you use a bigger scale,I'd think it would be too close together and it would be confusing to the viewer and most importantly to you. I like the thought that you are looking forward to when the models are finished and are on the table(s).It gives you a chance to step back on what you are doing now,get an idea of what your next move is and then go back to the modeling with fresh eyes,so to speak. Regardless of what you and how you do it,you know there are people here who enjoy your work and will keep rooting you on. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 03, 2011, 04:05:12 AM
Thanks for that ! I think that you are right.I will get the models built first and then play around with the composition. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 03, 2011, 04:42:09 AM
Chassis Assembly.
Well this looks like a nightmare to put together.Poor instructions,bad fitting of the parts etc..etc..I will have to build a jig to put it all together and keep it all square if there is any hope of having it fit properly to the body of the engine.
This kit was from an era when it was expected that modelers would find a way how to do it, far from the "fall together "kits of today.This will be a real challenge but lots of fun nonetheless.
First up will be to find a way to stabilize the main frames so that they can be joined together with the other components in between and then install the cross members to tie it all together.Glue alone will not do the trick here so metal pins will be required.
You know it makes me wonder how many of these kits actually got finished....


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 03, 2011, 08:47:53 AM
Poor instructions,ill fitting parts? I hear you on that one. Try putting a headboard/footboard together. Tested my patience!  There still are two rods that don't fit properly and move a bit. I'm getting too old to be sitting on the floor,trying to put things together. Enough about that.   Back when kits like you are using were made,modelers took the time,were able to jerry rig a part or two to make something fit. Today,people want things done quick and easy,which doesn't amount to much fun. If you can't have fun making something,there isn't any point doing it. I have no doubt,this will test your patience,however,you have the drive to make it work,one way or the other!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 10, 2011, 04:53:22 AM
KISS ! ah yes the old Kiss principal was in front of me the whole time.Keeping it simple stupid, has always been the way to go when your in doubt.
This present diorama( which may be my swan song) will be much more focused than I originally intended.There is just something about an old steam train idling outside a RR station ,period.
This diorama will be just that,nothing fancy,no bells and whistles.The steam engine alone will bring it all to life,no need for figures and a lot of animation.What I may do however is add sound to the piece.
I got the idea from watching Sergio's "Once upon a time in the west" Actually it is from the special features section of the Collector's Edition.Just an engine idling at a RR  station ,now how simple is that ! The thing is I could look and listen to it all day.
My diorama will be titled "Once upon a time a long,long time ago...." the way my grandmother always started her stories when she told them to me as a child.

But I do want this diorama to have something more about it.Yes,I will leave it as a movie prop as a testament to how illusion can be made to mimic reality for good or for bad.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 10, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
Adding sound to the piece sounds great!  To experience the sound of a steam locomotive is something a person will never forget.  I've been around three different steam locomotives and each time was a thrill.  I can see the steamer two ways.One,as an homage to Sergio and his film and two,as an homage the the past. Actually,if you think about it,you can kill two birds with the same stone.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 12, 2011, 04:21:30 AM
This layout will be contained in a box,yes a locked cedar box and will be displayed only at Christmas or other special family occasions.It will be my gift to my family past,present and future.

Why so special ? Well it has been my experience that no matter how nice a layout/diorama is after a while it just becomes part of the furniture.Nobody really sees it anymore except guests or visitors.However, on the other hand ,only seeing something every once in a while will help bring fresh( if not new eyes) to an old piece.Also I don't want to encase it in a tomb like structure, even of glass, but I wish to have it open to natural light, but without the dust, for those who may want to take pictures.

As public as my other stuff will be this will be only for private family or personal viewing.Why do it this way ? Simply I would like something that I made survive for a while after I am gone to the "Happy Hunting Ground" as a gift to my children and the young at heart.I have heard to many stories about how Grandpa Fred's or Uncle Phil's layout ended up in the garbage shortly after his death.Too big,no room,tired of looking at it sit there gathering dust etc..etc..

I know you say nothing survives forever ! No one knows that better than I and besides when I am gone who really gives a *** ? I surely won't ! but you know somehow I do and I don't mind admitting it.Ego you say ?well artists usually do  have some of that it is true,Why else would we do what we do ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 12, 2011, 05:10:39 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Yours%20Truly/Artisticlicense004-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 12, 2011, 08:22:38 AM
You said this would probably be your swan song. Obviously,you know more than the rest of us do and it really isn't any of our business.  I still have all of my models.Never throw them out is my thought.  I commend you for wanting to keep the piece for yourself and others for special occassions. You are the builder of great works of art and you have the right to do with them as you please. Just building the piece as it was in the film is still an homage to Sergio regardless of whether it goes on display in a museum or in your own home. People will remember JohnReid as the one with talent for modeling and will admire your hard work. Your family,however,will see something else entirely and will appreciate the piece now and more so after your gone. GOD BLESS!!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 13, 2011, 02:34:25 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Layout%20ideas/th_Layoutideas005.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Layout%20ideas/?action=view&current=Layoutideas005.jpg)
Here is what I am planning so far.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 13, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
Thank you graysev ! Glad you like the idea.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 13, 2011, 03:24:25 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Layout%20ideas/th_Layoutideas004-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Layout%20ideas/?action=view&current=Layoutideas004-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 13, 2011, 07:56:15 AM
Looks good to me!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 13, 2011, 09:09:23 AM
Such a simple solution I don't know why I never thought of it before.A RR station has been built over a coach sitting on a sideline track (spur line?)using whatever materials happened to be at hand.Why ? who knows !, but that is not what is important to our story.
To say the least the station is very crudely built of old weathered siding with RR ties for a platform.It could have been built on one of Hollywood's backlots expressly for this purpose or it could have been just a found location.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 13, 2011, 09:35:10 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Layout%20ideas/th_Layoutideas016-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Layout%20ideas/?action=view&current=Layoutideas016-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 13, 2011, 10:13:54 AM
I can see your point.  Go for it!  Abandoned railcars sit on sidings or spurs all the time,so it could be assumed that the station was built upon the car. People still do things like that and it usually works.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 20, 2011, 08:56:47 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_TheGeneral005-1-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=TheGeneral005-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 20, 2011, 09:16:52 AM
WOW!!!!    The General looks good! You have been busy and it shows!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 23, 2011, 04:27:59 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_thegeneral-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=thegeneral-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 23, 2011, 08:55:49 AM
My eyes are BIG!!!    O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 25, 2011, 11:05:07 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_251011004.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=251011004.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 25, 2011, 12:19:42 PM
Lookin' good! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 25, 2011, 03:18:12 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_251011001.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=251011001.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 25, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
Doing good! Bet you are having fun with this.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 27, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
You know this is actually a great little kit but it did test my patience at times.Most of the problems are with the instructions and the hard to read identification  #'s of the parts on their sprues.In a kit of this size and complexity I wonder how many ever actually got finished.I know mine had been started years ago by someone else and I picked it up for the price of the postage.If the manufacturers had put a little more money into the actual kit and less in marketing a nice box ,it would have been money well spent.It makes me wonder how many potential modelers have lost their interest in building due to this problem.I know that if I hadn't of had lots of prior experience mine would probably be still in the box in the cupboard too.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 27, 2011, 09:17:51 AM
It may have tested your patience at times,but look at the results!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 28, 2011, 06:48:01 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/th_281011004-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/?action=view&current=281011004-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 28, 2011, 08:14:04 AM
YES!!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2011, 05:57:58 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_281011042.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=281011042.jpg)
I am really looking forward to re-creating a few scenes from the movie using the old station. ;)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2011, 06:49:59 AM
I have been fooling around a bit with the camera trying to find interesting angles for future shots.This layout/diorama has a lot of possibilities for telling various stories about the old west.I would especially like to see how close I can come to re-creating scenes from the movie "Once upon a time in the west".I have the movie and I am able to review it frame by frame and thereby learn first hand how Sergio created some of his work.He had a wonderful eye for composition and detail and was a perfectionist in his work.I can feel his influence there with me whenever I am looking through the eye of the camera.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 29, 2011, 08:29:49 AM
And he would be proud!!! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 29, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_281011032-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=281011032-1.jpg)
Sergio was famous for framing his shots using doors and windows.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 29, 2011, 08:16:25 PM
I like the view. Good shot!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 31, 2011, 05:15:46 AM
I build this locomotive as a movie prop and I am now faced with making it
look more like one.I really over built one side and am now faced with removing some stuff in order to have it better fit in with the storyline.It is time to call in the guys with the blowtorches.
The original idea was that it was to be a half model made of tin on a wood frame and set up as it would be on a movie lot.
In many ways it is hard to do this to such a beautiful design but the story must come first in my view.I have another General kit waiting to be built anyway and of course I will always have the pics.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 31, 2011, 05:45:36 AM
You got into the modeling and forgot about the movie set.   Stuff happens when you're having fun.   I hate the thought of you having to undo what you've already done,but duty calls I guess.  As long as you have the other General kit,take a step back,enjoy what you've done,then attempt to take aprt what needs to go. The pics will help you with both the set and the other General kit.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 31, 2011, 06:28:15 AM
I never really forgot about it but I wanted to have some pics of the complete model before modifying it. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 31, 2011, 06:55:31 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_301011014.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=301011014.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 31, 2011, 08:44:34 AM
You mean,you have to tear it apart now?  ;)    I'm glad you took pictures of it during the process.  I showed them to a few friends and they were delighted!!! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 31, 2011, 04:43:44 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_301011001.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=301011001.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 31, 2011, 06:33:23 PM
Perfect!!!! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2011, 05:34:18 AM
looking good


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2011, 04:24:26 AM
The third part of my layout /diorama will be to build the luxury passenger car.(Morton's car in the movie)  I plan to use finer hardwoods and leave in a few remnants of furniture and memorabilia from the era.It will be weathered as though it has sat in the backlot for some time.I will build it like a sound stage and probably not even put it on tracks except maybe near one of  the car stairs where Claudia Cardinale first steps off the train to make her unforgettable grand entrance in the movie.This was the one and only Western movie ever written for a woman and I would like to recognize that fact in the diorama.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 02, 2011, 07:28:40 AM
Grand enterance?  You bet is was.   Sergio KNEW exactly what he wanted and GOT IT!!!   No other actress,no matter how beautiful,would have done justice to the role,the film or Sergio's vision.  He got the perfect cast.   As for your vision of what the passenger car is going to be like,go for it!!!     O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2011, 07:43:20 AM
He sure knew how to pick them ! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2011, 01:31:08 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20locomotive%20and%20station/th_21111010-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20locomotive%20and%20station/?action=view&current=21111010-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 02, 2011, 02:00:46 PM
It looks pretty good to me.  Are you going to keep the diarama on the tea table?  Looks  real nice on it. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 02, 2011, 02:06:17 PM
In the opening scene the train is going in the other direction but I had to compromise a bit if I want to show the locomotives best (realistic) side.From this view all will look normal but from the other side it will all be movie set.The work that I am doing now on the mock up side of the locomotive will hardly be seen at all in the final version as it will be mostly in front of the station. In the area between the front of the locomotive and the front right hand side of the station will sit Sergio's empty directors chair with his name on the back.Morton's deluxe car in the back will be modified into another movie set somewhat like the station was but will look normal from this viewpoint.On the backside of the station wall I will put up a double sided screen of a view of Monument Valley that will be viewable from both the single front window of the station and Morton's car.Claudia's arrival set will be on the backside end of Morton's car.
I never like to put anything square to the base so the final setup will be at an angle yet to be determined.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 02, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
I like that idea. Monument valley is beautiful. That would work!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 03, 2011, 06:20:57 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/th_21111017-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/?action=view&current=21111017-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 03, 2011, 06:48:25 AM
From this angle it will be all movie set.The unfinished Bachmann car will be gutted in the mid section.The last two windows and stairs will be retained as will the last 3-4 windows between the cars as that will be where the double sided Monument Valley screen will go.As I noted before the gutted locomotive will hardly even be seen at all but the tender will be another story.This is an abandoned lot so an old poster from the movie could go on the side and of course wood will be piled on top.
I prefer this staggered look rather than the round idea for a layout/diorama at this scale and yet it remains interesting for the viewer when viewed from any angle.The whole purpose of this layout/diorama is educational for kids to know how old movies were made before the modern era of animation etc...When finished I will probably offer it to a museum of science and technology for display purposes.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 03, 2011, 08:43:34 AM
The train sequence starts at 1:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW-jSa9_k3M


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 03, 2011, 10:55:13 AM
The trouble with CGI is that kids today think that it's always been done that way. That's why I love to watch the film and then go for the extras. The way the film is made is just as important to me as the film itself.Some films,however,the extras are better.  Regardless of what you do with the set after you are finished with it,you and your family and friends will know how much time and effort you put into it. The viewer should be able to understand what went into the set and use their imagination as to how Sergio pieced the various scenes together.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 04, 2011, 07:38:06 AM
Yes that is the balance that I am trying to achieve,showing just enough to get the old imagination working on the rest.
Thank you for your continued support of my work,it really means a lot to me.Cheers! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 04, 2011, 10:15:21 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/th_21111015-1.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/?action=view&current=21111015-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 04, 2011, 12:23:50 PM
I studied the diarama carefully. I can't see anything that needs to complain about. Which means you are doing a good job. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 07, 2011, 04:07:35 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/71111004.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 07, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/th_71111011.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/?action=view&current=71111011.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 07, 2011, 08:06:59 PM
That is absolutely perfect!   Like looking at the real General.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 08, 2011, 06:08:12 AM
Thank you ! from 3 sides it looks like the real general.I picked the 4th side to modify as it was the least interesting of all.The storyline suffers a bit as in the movie the train is coming in the other direction.Call it artistic license I guess. ;)
I wonder if in the movie they bothered to decorate both sides of the train,somehow I doubt it.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 08, 2011, 07:27:53 AM
I doubt it as well.  I assume Sergio had everything just the way he wanted and left some to our imagination. Well,that's what films are for.To use our imagination while we're being entertained. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 08, 2011, 10:19:11 AM
Yes,your right but there were budget constraints as well to only finish what the camera would see. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 08, 2011, 02:33:50 PM
Silly me! The one person who should know about budget  restraints. :-[    I forget sometimes that Sergio didn't have the millions that they use in today's films.  Regardless,he still did a great job as you are.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 09, 2011, 04:38:20 AM
You know I think that this would make a great model either as a entertainment park scene or a dummy locomotive.Model trains pass many structures on their journeys ,a movie set is just one of those structures that can be depicted in scale.

I have heard that this kit is subject to warping.This is probably true if left out in the sun on hot tracks,sand,pavement etc....I have tested the plastic myself and it is no more subject to this problem than any other plastic that I have worked with.And yes there are options,one of those being to support the structure before assembly.I think that I would try coating the interior of the larger pieces with exopy,fiberglass or some other warp resistant material.Where the plastic touches hot metal like tracks make a section of the wheels in wood which is a great insulator.

For indoor setting I don't see a problem at all unless you were to put it next to a wood stove or other high heat generating source.When I do my 2nd General I will experiment with this a little further.

As far as availability is concerned just do some networking.I am sure that there are lots of Generals sitting in closets waiting to be built.I got the one that I am working on now for the price of the postage.It was partially started (a small bit of the tender) but no harm was done and the parts were still all there.I have also seen many sell on ebay for less than 50 bucks,new and in the plastic packages.

Personally if I was to do a G scale layout I would do it with a movie making theme of which the General would be just one of the structures that I pass along the way.I would do it as a "out of season" amusement park  thus avoiding anything that would move other than the train .Having to make or modify all those figures would also be quite unnecessary.

Sounds like fun doesn't it ?

Once Upon a time.........dioramas by JohnReid


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 09, 2011, 06:59:09 AM
Very interesting!   There is a amusement park south of us in which they have a few smaller scale steamers. People can ride them on a daily basis and after the park is closed for the season,they bring one of them out so people can ride to the tree lot in the back of the park,get their Christmas tree and ride back to the parking lot. Lot of fun!  Thanks for bringing back some fun memories. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 13, 2011, 05:12:01 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/121111018.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 13, 2011, 06:10:57 PM
Looks good!  Got the perfect amount of wood in the tender.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 21, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/211111002.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 21, 2011, 01:56:25 PM
Sergio is looking down and smiling!  Everything is perfect all the way down to the reference to the film. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 22, 2011, 05:25:12 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/221111005.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 22, 2011, 05:59:08 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/221111008.jpg)
Morton's Car

The choice I have here is between a straight passenger car or a combo.
The first choice would be to pretty much scratchbuild the whole thing beginning with the shell.The lower combo car has some of the work already done for me.Having already built a wood version I think it may be fun to do the plastic version and make it look like wood.
Luckily for me the plastic itself is colored and not just painted which will make my job a lot easier.It is also more interesting as it is already broken down into two sections passengers and baggage. The baggage side could be set up for movie making purposes while the passenger side could contain a portion of Morton's car as seen in the movie.
This is an abandoned movie set so a lot of stuff would have been removed and the set will be depicted as having fallen into some disrepair.
The steps at the far right I can use for Jill's arrival scene and the view through the windows will be of Monument Valley.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 22, 2011, 06:35:31 AM

Morton's Car

The choice I have here is between a straight passenger car or a combo.
The first choice would be to pretty much scratchbuild the whole thing beginning with the shell.The lower combo car has some of the work already done for me.Having already built a wood version I think it may be fun to do the plastic version and make it look like wood.
Luckily for me the plastic itself is colored and not just painted which will make my job a lot easier.It is also more interesting as it is already broken down into two sections passengers and baggage. The baggage side could be set up for movie making purposes while the passenger side could contain a portion of Morton's car as seen in the movie.
This is an abandoned movie set so a lot of stuff would have been removed and the set will be depicted as having fallen into some disrepair.
The steps at the far right I can use for Jill's arrival scene and the view through the windows will be of Monument Valley.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 22, 2011, 07:12:14 AM
I like the lower combo car,being a train buff,however,making the plastic car look like wood intrigues me. I like challenges.  I also like the movie poster. Great place for it.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 22, 2011, 11:33:35 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/221111013.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 22, 2011, 01:52:31 PM
The car we rode in during the steam excursion was a combo car. Looking at the parts you have sitting there reminded me. Thank you!   I suspect you will be having a lot of fun working on the combo car. I look forward to seeing each step.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 23, 2011, 06:15:47 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/221111010.jpg)

This is all way too crowded together but it gives you guys an idea about how the final composition will look.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on November 23, 2011, 06:21:02 AM
 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 23, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
Looks good now and will look just as good when it's finished.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 24, 2011, 05:06:37 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/241111002.jpg)

After gutting the car,removing the seats and wiring,I laid a sub-floor in basswood on the passenger side of the car.I haven't yet decided whether to leave the sky lights as is of remove them and put up clear glass.The detail on the glass looks a little overscale to me.
I strengthened up the roof line a bit by adding 1/4 x 1/4 lumber in anticipation of cutting out the cars side.This is necessary to keep the cars structural integrity while working on it.The hole in the side is for movie making purposes.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 24, 2011, 07:08:08 AM
I think clear glass would look better.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 25, 2011, 04:10:14 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/251111004.jpg)
The next step will be to lay the finished floor in Morton's car.Hardwood floors on his side while the rest will be pine.I try to hand select each board for color and contrast.Using a darker one right up next to a light one will help to achieve what I am looking for.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 25, 2011, 09:51:39 AM
Good idea!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 26, 2011, 04:57:41 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/251111001.jpg)
Even though it is separated into two compartments there still is lots of space to work with.The baggage side will eventually become a storage area for old props etc..
I have removed the orange windows even though they made for a nice warm glow inside as they were overscale plus I like to have complete control of the lighting including color.The ceiling has been finished with cherry wood veneer and I am now boxing in the beams in walnut veneer.
In Mortons car there was a lot of brass tubing hanging from the ceiling above to be used as handrails to steady himself as he moved about his private  car.He was disabled and slowly dying from bone disease.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 26, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
Taking shape!  You've made good choices throughout this entire project and have no doubt you will continue to do the same. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 26, 2011, 03:19:30 PM
I have decided to have a bit of fun laying the floor in Morton's compartment.I have gone one size larger on the planks(stir stiks)which gives me a nice edge to work with when doing the following technique.Wood floors can be quite beautiful when laid properly.I want to try a technique that I haven't used since my old ship building days of HMS Victory.Morton must have hired a couple of unemployed shipbuilders to do the floors and cabinetry for his rail car.There will be no visible nails or wood trunnels holding the floor in place.There will however be a black waterproof caulking material between each board which will make the floor more interesting to the eye.The wood is birch.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 27, 2011, 08:13:34 AM
Interesting concept.  Birch?  Sounds good to me. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Groggy on November 27, 2011, 08:14:39 AM
 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 29, 2011, 10:47:24 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/281111010-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 29, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
Been sitting out in the elements for quite a while. I like the look! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 30, 2011, 06:00:14 AM
I don't feel the need to put a lot of fake windows in this car because of the reflective glass would be not good for movie making.Besides the windows provided in the kit are of poor quality and only serve to distort any image when trying to shoot through them.
Because this would leave the interior open to the elements,subtle weathering will have to be employed as I would still like to retain some of the beauty of the woodwork.
In those days the finish would probably be a varnish of some kind which actually seems to weather quite well judging by my own 30 year old tool shed that has been subject to Canadian extremes.In a warmer and dryer environment it would do quite well I
should think.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 30, 2011, 08:58:42 AM
Left in a warmer and dryer environment,it would be better for the varnish. If you live in Wisconsin,you can expect the weather to change quickly.Can be nice one day and hot the next.In the winter,it can be cold and the next day cold and snowy.There are times when we have been in the 70's during the winter months and a day or two later drop fast,so I can appreciate your Canadian weather more than I can appreciate California or Florida weather.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 01, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/011211007-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Richard--W on December 01, 2011, 03:05:47 PM
Amazing.


Richard


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2011, 05:16:19 AM
Ya know when aging and weathering hardwoods I found found that the best way to do it is too weather it as it would do naturally,in other words from a polished finish to a dull.In this way you can retain the beauty of the grain as it seemingly ages.The birch floor for example was originally a gloss finish that was dulled using very fine sandpaper for the wear and tear, then chalk pastels representing  the build up of crud over the years ,followed by a spray of matte acrylic fixative to hold it all in place.Later more crud can be built up in all the cracks and crevasses

and to create shadows.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2011, 05:40:49 AM
Thank you Richard,glad you are enjoying it. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2011, 06:14:01 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/011211005.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2011, 08:18:22 AM
Looking good!  I like the way you are adding the crud from years of abandonment. Gives the car that authentic appearance many strive for but rarely get. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 02, 2011, 09:25:06 AM
With chalk :) pastels you can work wonders as long as you have the proper surface to work with.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 02, 2011, 02:16:13 PM
And if you don't.....   >:(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 03, 2011, 06:51:30 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/031211003-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 03, 2011, 07:56:42 AM
WOW!!! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 03, 2011, 08:32:58 AM
And if you don't.....   >:(
Hi ! for pastels to stick properly you need a surface that is not too smooth.That is why in my work you won't find many polished surfaces.It works for me because I like to depict old weathered stuff most of the time.Cheers!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 03, 2011, 12:19:33 PM
I learned not to use polished surfaces. In my case,the paint I used ended up looking like clouds coming down. Looked pretty in one respect,but that wasn't what I was looking to do. I still have the piece. Not many can see it.Just can't bring myself to throw something I worked on so hard away.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 04, 2011, 06:40:33 AM
Well I have decided to add a few more months work to the project.I was originally planning to save a little time by just weathering the exterior of this car but because nothing looks as good as the real thing,wood, I now plan to board it up instead.I have also opened up all the doors both interior and exterior for better camera angle shots of the interior.I will retain the red framed windows and stain the siding about the same green.
On the roof it is presently what looks like a fine sandpaper type surface.Does anyone here know what may have been used on the real thing ? A tar paper or canvas material ?
I could use a cloth backed sandpaper of appropriate grit and just paint it .Any ideas ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 04, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Gscale091-1.jpg)
From previous research I was able to determine what the boards look like under the finishing material.I have also seen tin used in a kind of sheet and batten arrangement.What I am confused about is what would have been used when this car was built around 1860 ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 05, 2011, 07:27:25 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Gscaletrains018-2.jpg)
Old weather beaten ceiling from inside with a wood frame underneath and another layer of boards on top to create the roof.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 05, 2011, 08:05:40 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/G%20scale%20trains/Gscale094.jpg)
Here is a little example that I did on the movie making side of the old station car.There just is no comparison between the plastic and real wood and it really isn't hard to do on the outside of the car.Morton's car will be dark green however.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 05, 2011, 12:16:11 PM
That looks about right. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on December 06, 2011, 03:36:59 AM
looks great


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 06, 2011, 07:53:58 AM
Morton's car will be dark green?  That will get attention!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 07, 2011, 05:33:05 AM
Please note:

I have moved all the pictures in my photobucket taken up until now ,from the General Album to the G Scale Trains Album.Moving pics will cause them to delete in the General thread  but they are still available on my  G scale album for those who may be interested.

Bending stripwood:

Bending wood is simple for a rectangular roof such as this,shipbuilding is another story.I just use plain old warm tap water and soak the area that I want to bend for a few minutes in this case.(The thicker the wood ,the longer the soak) .I then take an old stick type hair curler and put it in a holding devise,I use a clamp. I then let it warm up to hair curling temperature which seems to be just perfect for bending thin strip wood like this.I hold the dry end in one hand and with the other wet end I use a pencil with an eraser on the end and apply increasing amounts of pressure with the eraser until I get what I am looking for.

Why the  eraser end ,well it helps as a tool for bending instead of your fingers and tends not to slip on the wet surface.Keep checking that you are getting the proper bend and re-soak and do it again if necessary.You will want to slightly over bend it as there is a certain amount of spring back when the pressure is remove.If the piece of wood you are working with keeps breaking turn it over and try to bend it the other way.Use only straight grained wood running lengthwise on the strip as cross grain simply won't work without breaking.Most hobby woods bend without any problems.I used the thin long type coffee stir stiks used to stir the extra large double doubles.Your local coffee shop manager may sell you a box for a few bucks especially when you tell him what your using them for.He probably built models too in his younger days !

Most stiks and tongue depressors are birch wood ,which is in the hardwood category. So depending on the thickness they will require more soaking time in hotter water than say basswood , popular or pine.Have fun and good luck !

The above is in answer to a question I got from a another modeler.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: tintinteslacoil on January 13, 2012, 06:02:52 AM
50 ? your still a kid ! Say hello to your dad for me and thank him for his service.Luckily I never had to fight a war.

Try turning 55. Dad has been gone since 2000. He was 86,  kinda young for my  family . Korea and WWII.

Gpa passed on at 93, one  Gma at 98, a great Aunt at 96.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: tintinteslacoil on January 13, 2012, 06:11:18 AM
Yes,I agree!  Don't give it up.   Life is too short,whatever the situation.

Believe me, You Don't Know.

I am now facing another indictment. That  bastard of a DA wants me to serve 4 years in Prison.  I had to hire a $10 ,000 lawyer.  I don't even have the  money.

I hate this state....I can't wait 'till this is over. I must have gone to court over this and my last case 13 times.   Going again in an hour.  No dioramas. In fact, I threw away a lot of stuff. All but my DYS  double cd and bookm and  the  Vickers gun and a "Matchbox "  1913 Harley "Silent grey fellow".  All rest gone.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on January 13, 2012, 06:23:36 AM
that sux what state BTY


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 13, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
Has anyone heard from JohnReid lately?   I got a call from a number up in Canada and wasn't home to see who it was.No message left.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on January 13, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
Has anyone heard from JohnReid lately?   I got a call from a number up in Canada and wasn't home to see who it was.No message left.

Nope, nothing lately


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: tintinteslacoil on January 14, 2012, 07:05:41 AM
that sux what state BTY

AZ.



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: tintinteslacoil on January 14, 2012, 07:12:57 AM
Has anyone heard from JohnReid lately?   I got a call from a number up in Canada and wasn't home to see who it was.No message left.

Man, he sure put a lot into his work. Like to see the finished product.

I am getting away from toys. myself. Going  to the H/D swap today to try to get an old "tractor" seat.  Or, those double spung seats.  I  know it will look funny on a Honda....

There is a guy who works there who rides a 1935 Flathead model ULH every day. Leaks a little.   She  resembles John Mallory's bike a little bit. Tanks are different, of course.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 20, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Turns out that call from Canada wasn't John Reid after all.   Seems strange that he hasn't posted anything. Hope he's ok. :(


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 01, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Sorry I haven't posted an update.Dad's been sick and had to have heart surgery. Heard from JohnReid a while ago. Doing more building and less posting.   I'm sure when he's ready to show off his hard work,we'll see it.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 13, 2012, 07:12:15 AM
Hi guys ! I just finished my commitment to the aviation museum the other day and am now ready to take up the Sergio piece again.Thank you for your concern,all is fine with me,just busy that's all.I am really looking forward to devoting my time to this project.I am hoping to have it finished by next spring if all goes well.I have changed the composition and the storyline recently,hope you like it. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 13, 2012, 08:17:50 AM
Been a while since I've been on the forum myself.  Sounds like you've been a very busy man.  Looking forward to seeing your project getting underway again. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 13, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Gonetoosoon007.jpg)
From airplanes to trains and from 1/16th to 1/24 scale,a major change in direction for the next one.So far I am doing it for myself but maybe down the line a museum will be interested. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 13, 2012, 09:24:38 AM
Building the set for yourself can be just as rewarding,maybe even more than having it in a museum. You can sit back,relax,look it over and know you put a lot of hard work and dedication into it. Not only that,family members will have something to talk about and cherish for years to come.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 13, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Gonetoosoon025.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 13, 2012, 03:11:40 PM
Like with all of my dioramas I start out with a good base.Once I figure out the size required ,in this case it is 30"X40",I cut out the 1/4" panel and glue some strips around the perimeter.Do not use screws or nails only glue,saves on the drill bits later on.I then put on two coats of lacquer, especially on the edges,as the panel must be waterproof for the next step.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 13, 2012, 07:23:15 PM
I like the idea of gluing over using nails. I'm ok using drills and drill bits,but nails are an enemy.Never hit them right.    :-[


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 14, 2012, 05:23:18 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Gonetoosoon019.jpg)
I kind of like this composition for now on a 30"X40" base but of course it is never written in stone.If later I want to expand it by adding more modules,I can simply butt them together by screwing them together using the perimeter wood strips.For ease of handling I want to keep it light in weight for now with the option of adding a more substantial base later on. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 14, 2012, 07:16:49 AM
I like it! The neat thing about keeping the piece for yourself is that later on you can always change it.  O0   


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 14, 2012, 07:36:48 AM
Hey guys, may I make a personal plea?  Get your heart checked out. I haven't been on the forum for a reason. In May,dad was having chest pains so bad that he failed a stress test.Since last November he has passed out three times and was taken by ambulance to the hospital. In April,it was determined that his blood pressure meds were the culprit.Then came the shocker. He needed a stress test which he failed within a few minutes.He had an angiogram that showed that his arteries were 75% to 90% blocked. The cardiologist gave him HOURS to live. It was determined by the surgeon that he would die on the table if they did the quadruple bypass he needed,so instead they did 4 stents in the two main arteries,two stents on Monday and two on Wednesday. By Friday he was able to go home. We spent a week in the hospital,with dad hooked up to a continuous nitro pump along with enough saline solution to flood a huge tanker. His veins were  collapsing and he was grey in color. The longest and hardest week of our lives. Since then he has gained some strength,but with the Parkinson's,where he gains here,he loses there,so it's a battle of epic proportions. On top of that,he has COPD and emphysema,so he coughs a lot and has trouble breathing. He'll be 80 in December.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 15, 2012, 03:50:54 AM
Sorry to hear about your dad,best wishes for the future.Take care.John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 15, 2012, 07:41:27 AM
Thanks John!  Has one more heart echo to do and maybe he'll be cleared. I hope!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 01, 2012, 05:20:18 PM
Hey, I got sidelined again by another piece that I want to finish before winter sets in at the GWN mainly because of the wood dust it is better done outside. That sculpture is just about finished and the last diorama should be going to the museum in a week or two which will free up a lot of space for the Sergio piece,which I will probably work on all winter.Stat tuned.... :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 01, 2012, 07:32:10 PM
If you didn't do good work,no one would be interested. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2012, 03:32:45 AM
Well the workbench is clear so now it is back to the Sergio diorama.I plan to do this one modular style too beginning with the central theme of a movie set and then if I decide to I can add from there.Right now there are three main components  the locomotive(as a prop) the station from the opening scene and Morton's car.
The first thing to do is make up a track bed for Morton's car.I only have round track so at present I am straightening a couple of sections out by modifying them. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 16, 2012, 07:20:47 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Onceuponatime001-1.jpg)
The first thing to do is modify a bit of track from round to straight.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 16, 2012, 07:46:48 AM
Modifying is better than spending more money on another track. Some things take more time than others,but in the end,it is always worth it.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 17, 2012, 08:29:12 AM
Theme update,I am planning to expand the storyline a bit to make it more appealing to a wider audience.The new idea is to do this diorama as a tribute to Leone and at the same time a tribute to old west movies in general.I plan to do this using old west movie posters arranged in such a way as too center on Leone' favorites ,while the same time tell the  history of the old west movies in general.It will be an outdoor temporary exhibit set in Monument Valley ( yes red earth and all) there will be  villans and heros corners,a movie history wall and very little rain to worry about.I also plan to light it with LEDS.Leone and I had the shared experience of the weekend movie house, showing mostly westerns.His experience was ten years ahead of mine but little had really changed over that period of time. Cowboys were always our heros.Should be fun ! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 17, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
I like the new concept!  The old western movies are still my favorite movies to watch. I've seen some updated versions,but they do nothing to impress me.  Have fun! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 18, 2012, 02:21:59 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Onceuponatime007.jpg)
Here is the basic layout.I am planning a walkway around the diorama right up against the fence.On the fence will be posted a whole series of movie posters  by the date the films were made,right up to the making of "Once Upon A Time.....I will have a hero's and villain's corner and anything else that I can think of.There will be room for future expansion if I want to, maybe a car parking lot.All the posters will be lit using LEDS.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 18, 2012, 03:10:38 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Onceuponatime006.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 18, 2012, 06:44:58 PM
I like the entire idea. You have a very great imagination and are using it!  Sergio would be pleased! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 19, 2012, 03:21:00 AM
I never knew that there were so many movies produced with an old west theme,so many to chose from.Every poster will require a lot of preparation before being displayed on the fence,spraying,cutting ,gluing etc..etc..It will be a history lesson for me too.
I am really looking forward to lighting this piece inside and out,should be interesting.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 19, 2012, 07:18:10 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Gone%20Too%20Soon/Once%20upon%20a%20time%20001_zps2a1156d0.jpg)
Here are the first few glued to a wood board.
If you have a favorite old west film prior to 1969 please advise and if I can find the poster I will put it up in my rogue's gallery walk of fame.I am only doing the movies filmed before '69 because I want to keep it relevant to what might have influenced his work.
On the walls in the interior of the baggage car (out of normal view) I plan to put up posters of the westerns directed by Leone.The roof of this car will be removable for viewing.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 19, 2012, 07:33:14 AM
Tumbling Tumbleweeds! How ironic it is. I have had the original Sons of the Pioneers song "Cool Water" in my head for the past few days. Looking at the poster brought back that "Tumbling Tumbleweeds" song just now.  Now I am really interested in what you come up with. Thank you for jogging my memory. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2012, 05:36:56 AM
Man I sure love the creative process, with so many different options to explore, I keep changing my mind on the storyline.I could appeal to a wide audience by using the poster idea or I could narrow it down to my original idea.This decision has to be made fairly soon before I get too far into it.
All of my dioramas to this point have been aimed at a wide audience in a museum setting.My last diorama " The Homecoming" was originally to be titled "The Road Taken".The idea was quite simple a man returning from war, standing on a spot in the road and remembering making a decision that changed the rest of his life.Now he has returned from the war and is standing in the same spot looking at his "Backyard Flyer" and wondering that after all that he has seen at war could he ever go back to those innocent days and continue his life as before.
 Any veteran would understand his dilemma but would a wider audience really get the point of the story.(Fortunately this original story still exists but now in pictures only that I took before I decided to make all of changes.)
The changes that I made came at the suggestion of many of my friends and family to open things up a bit to make it more of a celebration of his return home.
They made many good points,the subject matter is too heavy and most viewers would not get it.It is too stark in nature and does not have enough detail to keep a museum audience interested for very long.The colors are drab and not very appealing.Too depressing in general. These are all valid points but not my vision of what it should say or what I am trying to say in the diorama.And of course there is the money aspect.Originally the diorama was appraised by my appraisers at half the value of others that I had done mostly because of the reasons I have already mentioned.
Well in the end you could say I sold out artistically and went for the buck and  pleasing the viewer which of course is true when looked at from this point of view.In the end I had to ask myself are you doing this for yourself or have you already promised the piece to a wider audience when it was finished.
Viewers usually love detail and enjoy searching for it.It has been said that a good diorama is one where you can always find new things to look at.Capturing the imagination of kids and holding it for awhile has always been my primary goal in doing this stuff. I think that I made the right decision.

The next diorama I am doing is for myself and it is promised to nobody.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 22, 2012, 07:01:27 AM
"Something To Do With Death" (The Wages Of Sin)
 Heavy ? well I guess it is but it is something that I would like to explore.Once Upon A Time..... is a masterpiece on so many levels.
Storyline ? Haven't quite decided yet but movie posters will still be involved somehow.Actors pics and famous lines from the movie,probably.

Directors that influenced Leone ? Movies that inspired him ? His perfectionism and attention to detail,his cinematography.

Sounds like fun !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 22, 2012, 11:11:49 AM
Very true that most viewers would not understand "The Road Taken',however,I felt it very compelling. It made me take a second look at things. Very moving! O0   Af far as any other piece you decide to do,it is yours to do with as you wish. Unless you promise it to a museum,I see no reason why you can't do whatever you wish. Use your artistic license to do what touches you and if others think it may be interesting to museum goers,then so be it. Do what pleases you and others will be pleased and if they are not,too bad!  Go for it,my friend! ENJOY!!! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 23, 2012, 09:50:03 AM
Thank you for your encouragement ,it is much appreciated. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 26, 2012, 06:08:30 AM
Today I hope to finished boxing up the latest diorama and sending it off to its new home on Friday.It has been a long but interesting journey.
The new RR/Sergio diorama is now well underway but the storyline has yet to be finalized.I have mulled this over in my mind for some time now,mostly about how broad or narrow should I make it.The overall theme is a movie set and how old movies were made using a kind of theme park idea set in Hollywood or even as a Monument Valley tourist attraction.
Because I am doing it as an imaginary general public attraction,it should be made appealing to a wide audience just as any creative entrepreneur would do in real life.
The time era would be from the  beginnings of the western genre to the present day taking in movies up to the present time.
I want to represent the best examples of each decade ,from silent films to the talkies to today.I will have a special corner for Sergio's work and a hero and villains section as well.
Later if I decide to I can open a parking lot with cars and motorcycles outside the main gates of the park and lots of other interesting things going on as well etc..etc.. Anyway that is the plan for now.Should be fun ! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 26, 2012, 06:41:46 AM
Imagination is going wild!  Go for it!!! O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 26, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%205%20%20The%20Homecoming/The%20Homecoming%20page%203/Thehomecoming012-1-1.jpg)
Finally finished !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 26, 2012, 05:11:52 PM
You have a look of both satisfaction and relief on your face!  Good for you!  Take a break,sit back and relax...then you can start brainstorming again. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 28, 2012, 01:18:58 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW014.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 28, 2012, 02:45:24 PM
The General looks great and those posters will bring back memories for some and make others want to know more.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 28, 2012, 06:32:45 PM
There are so many to chose from ,I will have to take a few from each era. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 28, 2012, 08:11:03 PM
Whichever ones you choose will ultimately be historical in the sense of film making and that in itself will leave the viewer wanting more. I look forward to seeing which ones you choose. Glad you are doing the choosing. I'd be in a tither trying to figure out the ones I would be placing.  They are all very good movies,regardless of when they were made.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 30, 2012, 06:10:43 AM
Well I think that I will go back to my original idea of an abandoned movie set.The poster idea was OK but when I put an example up I found that it was a little visually overwhelming with all those posters.
The grey fence around the property is however underwheming  and boring and needs a little work too.I tried putting posters up on the outside of the fence  too but it also looks like  too much of a good thing.
So,I am thinking of expanding the movie set idea to include things like abandoned actors dressing rooms,equipment storage rooms etc...all weathered and a little rusty looking and only the odd old poster here and there for visual effect.
Well now its back to the drawing board....... O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 30, 2012, 07:41:47 AM
I know that you guys know about all this already but...in case someone can't remember here it is again!
The film portrays two conflicts that take place around Flagstone, a fictional town in the American Old West: a land battle related to construction of a railroad, and a mission of vengeance against a cold-blooded killer. The main storyline revolves around a struggle for Sweetwater, a piece of land near Flagstone containing the region's only water source. The land was bought by Brett McBain, who foresaw that the railroad would have to pass through that area to provide water for the steam locomotives. When railroad tycoon Morton learns of this, he sends his hired gun Frank to simply intimidate McBain to move off the land, but Frank instead kills McBain and his three children, planting evidence on the scene to frame the bandit Cheyenne and his gang. By the time McBain's new bride, Jill, arrives from New Orleans, the family is dead and she is the owner of the land.
Henry Fonda as Frank

Meanwhile, a mysterious harmonica-playing gunman, whom Cheyenne later dubs "Harmonica", pursues Frank. In the film's opening scene, Harmonica kills three men sent by Frank to kill him, and, in a roadhouse on the way to Sweetwater, he informs Cheyenne that the three gunfighters he killed appeared to be posing as Cheyenne's men. Sometime later, Harmonica kills two men sent by Frank to kill Jill.

Back at Sweetwater, construction materials are delivered to build a railroad station and a small town. Harmonica explains to Cheyenne that Jill will lose Sweetwater unless the station is built by the time the track's construction crews reach that point, and Cheyenne puts his men to work building it.
Claudia Cardinale as Jill McBain

Meanwhile, Frank turns against Morton, who wanted to make a deal with Jill. Frank's betrayal is made easy by the fact that Morton is crippled. After having his way with her, Frank forces Jill to sell the property in an auction. He tries to buy the farm cheaply by intimidating the other bidders, but Harmonica arrives, holding Cheyenne at gunpoint, and makes a much higher bid based on his reward money for delivering Cheyenne to the authorities. After rebuffing another intimidation attempt by Frank, Harmonica sells the farm back to Jill. At this point, some of Frank's men try to kill Frank, having been paid by Morton to turn against him, but Harmonica helps Frank kill them in order to save that privilege for himself.

After Morton and the rest of Frank's men are killed in a battle with Cheyenne's gang, Frank goes to Sweetwater to confront Harmonica. On two occasions, Frank has asked Harmonica who he is, but both times Harmonica refused to answer him. Instead, he mysteriously quoted names of men Frank has murdered. The two men position themselves for a duel, at which point Harmonica's motive for revenge is revealed in one last, clear flashback: When Harmonica was a boy, Frank forced the boy to kill his own brother by tying a noose to the top of an arch, placing it around the brother's neck, and forcing the struggling Harmonica to support his brother on his shoulders with a harmonica in his mouth while playing the song that's heard throughout the film.

Harmonica draws first and shoots Frank, and when Frank again asks who he is, he puts the harmonica in Frank's mouth. Frank nods weakly in recognition and dies. With Frank dead, Harmonica and Cheyenne say goodbye to Jill, who is supervising construction of the train station as the track-laying crews reach Sweetwater. Cheyenne collapses almost immediately, revealing that he was shot by Morton while he and his men were fighting Frank's gang. The work train arrives, signaling the arrival of 'civilization' and the end of the Epic age of cowboys and gunfighters; thus the film ends with Jill carrying water to the rail workers and Harmonica riding off with Cheyenne's body towards the horizon. A creature of the frontier, Harmonica can't "settle down" and decides to ride in search of a place where a man like him can still have a role and a reason to exist.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 30, 2012, 09:53:19 AM
How many times have I made a decision to do something,sit back,think it to death,modify it a bit,looked it over and still be undecided in the end.   I know what I want,but how do I do it without it looking like a disaster?    In the end,I go back to the original idea and realize I had it right all along. Tinkering and thinking is part of the process and in the end,the vision of what you truly wanted to begin with comes into focus and giving it just a tweek,it becomes the masterpiece you had envisioned.  This lesson in modeling can also be used in one's life.  You,my friend,will get it right and you will have a masterpiece in the end. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 30, 2012, 09:55:56 AM
Thank you my friend for your confidence in me. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on September 30, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW030.jpg)

I finally gave old Morton his dream of a Atlantic to Pacific RR.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on September 30, 2012, 08:52:20 PM
Looks good to me!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 01, 2012, 08:47:35 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW009.jpg)

People often ask me why do you love Sergio's work so much ? Here is just one of thousands of reasons why.
Sometimes I ask myself a simple question "How can a man take a child's life for no reason ?" Even a good looking man with beautiful blue eyes? But these are the eyes of a killer as depicted by Henry Fonda.Who would have believed it Henry Fonda a killer of children ? Who would believe that men such as this could be responsible for mass murder.Sergio wanted his audience to be shocked as the camera panned his face,(as Fonda himself said) "Jesus Christ its Henry Fonda !!!)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 01, 2012, 09:33:59 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW013-2-1.jpg)

I am currently researching old west facades to add to the diorama.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 01, 2012, 10:15:59 AM
What a shocker indeed!   Researching is part of the fun! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 02, 2012, 04:48:50 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW011-1-1.jpg)
Here is a great old saloon with swinging doors and all !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 02, 2012, 07:37:31 AM
Darn computer!  Keep clicking on the pic to open it up and nothing happens. I can imagine it would be perfect for your piece.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 02, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW002-1-1.jpg)
Typical Hollywood back lot.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 02, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
That is what most people don't see unless they visit the lot.   That is also what you are ultimately striving for,but on a smaller scale.   If people are interested in how and where movies are made,they certainly would be interested in seeing your piece.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 04, 2012, 06:08:58 AM
I am planning for this diorama to be from the late 60's era when movies were made the old fashioned way.With all the animation of the modern era this is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.Sergio would be very familiar with this way of doing things.
Diorama wise it is also a good way of presenting a certain time frame.The back lot will be depicted as used but not yet completely abandoned.That way I have a lot more leeway with the weathering of the piece.Everything weathered the same way would be boring.
Then if I decide to go ahead with the old west building facades I can make them look as old or new as I like depending upon the movie being filmed at the time.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 04, 2012, 10:28:45 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW006-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 04, 2012, 10:32:09 AM
Here is a stationary backdrop that I made,sometimes they were on rolls to simulate movement.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 04, 2012, 10:43:13 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW007-2.jpg)
Models were often used for long shots which could have it's own backdrop as well.Here I have used an HO scale model.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 04, 2012, 01:45:34 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW002-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 04, 2012, 08:56:44 PM
Simply beautiful!   Dad and I went for a long ride along the Mississippi River today,the leaves were beautiful and the scene you have modeled here puts the icing on the cake! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 05, 2012, 04:19:54 AM
Wow! that sounds like fun.I am happy to have been a part of your wonderful day. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 06, 2012, 07:21:53 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW003-3.jpg)
Here is my idea of a  dolly without seating or camera equipment.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 06, 2012, 07:35:03 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW005-2.jpg)
The dolly is made from old HO RR parts,now I will add some kind of a stand for the camera and a handle for pushing the dolly around.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 06, 2012, 01:39:08 PM
Looks good!  Imagination makes the world go round.   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on October 06, 2012, 04:53:52 PM
 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 07, 2012, 06:36:40 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW008-2.jpg)
I have made two of these dollys,I haven't yet decided what to do with the second one.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 07, 2012, 06:38:44 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW005-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 07, 2012, 07:46:34 AM
One set up and ready for use and the other as a standby? 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 08, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW001-5.jpg)
Where you see the kleenex boxes is where I plan to put the saloon facade which will also become actors dressing rooms in the back.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 08, 2012, 05:48:47 PM
Good place for the saloon facade.  Never thought of the dressing rooms before. Another good idea.  You're putting a lot of thought into the piece and it shows. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 09, 2012, 06:13:48 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW004-5.jpg)
In the movies smaller scale models were often build (and still are witness "Titanic" as a example) and used for forced perspective purposes.This module will contain an HO RR model which I will modify and put in a corner with a backdrop from Monument Valley.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 09, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW009-2.jpg)
I get these at the dollar store.They are made of high quality plywood and are only 2 bucks.To make the same thing with hobby store wood it would cost very much more.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 09, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
If the dollar store is cheaper,why not.  Hobby Lobby can be very expensive I have found,but when I can find something I need at the Liquidator's store,it is usually cheaper.  Cheapo Depot is one place that used to have good stuff.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 10, 2012, 06:12:45 AM
I am getting a little tired of making fences so I have started to do some serious research on old west facades and buildings and their construction techniques.
I will for the first two make the whole building as it will serve two purposes that of a facade and an actual dressing rooms for the actors.I first plan just to do the exteriors and use a sign to indicate what they are "Actors Dressing Rooms."
I will light them behind curtains and shades only but leave access to the interiors if I later want to add furnishings.I am already planning a second module, to be screwed to this one, containing the facades only.(next winter's project)Old west stuff seems to be pretty simple construction with  few exterior decorations but lots of doors and windows, which is actually a plus for storyboarding using signs and stuff in the windows and doors for example.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 10, 2012, 08:44:16 AM
Researching to me is part of the fun of working on a project. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 12, 2012, 06:49:19 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW005.jpg)
I am beginning to see some progress on my saloon facade/dressing rooms building.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 12, 2012, 08:33:52 AM
I like the way you have things mapped out of the dressing rooms/saloon facade. Can't wait to see the next phase of it. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 13, 2012, 07:22:26 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW001-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 13, 2012, 08:37:09 AM
Little by little,it all takes shape!  Looking forward to seeing the next step. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 14, 2012, 06:17:11 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW001-6.jpg)
The plywood is ground level,one level up is the future boardwalk that will be completed after the posts are in.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 14, 2012, 07:07:18 AM
You're getting there! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Desperado on October 14, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
Keep up the good work  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Groggy on October 14, 2012, 01:23:20 PM
 O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 15, 2012, 05:07:23 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW003-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 15, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
Each step a work in progress. Each step a learning experience. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 16, 2012, 06:53:10 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW004-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 16, 2012, 09:06:26 AM
Coming together real good. I like it! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 19, 2012, 07:47:07 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW004.jpg)

I want to try something different with this diorama by adding some audio/visual stuff myself.This time the storyline will be presented in a little different way.Instead of step by step pictures accompanied by an audio text as planned by the museum ,this time I plan to do my own .
Just a few short years ago this option was not available to me but with all the miniaturization of electronics today and the relatively cheap price I think that it could  quite easily  be done.
These two saloon boxes will be used to house the electronics and diorama lighting equipment.Facing outwards I plan to install either  slides or scenes from the movie itself with good quality miniature speakers,if I can get permission to do so from the copyright holders otherwise I will have to come up with a plan 'B'.It will be a donation to a museum for educational purposes  or for my own private use so maybe I will get lucky.
Plan 'B' will probably be to contact a few individuals that I see on You Tube and get their permission to use their videos and music.
Sounds like fun,something different for a change.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 19, 2012, 08:44:12 AM
What did I tell you!  Imagination is the key!!!   Adding a/v,if possible,will add to the piece in a very good educational way.  Apparently,you have been giving this idea a lot of thought and a good idea it is. Have as much fun as you can doing this! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 20, 2012, 06:28:14 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW008-2.jpg)
I don't remember where I got this totem (or house post because it has a flat back)but as you can see from the chip on the base it is real black soapstone.It is not signed so I don't know who or what made it.It can't be very valuable so I plan to include it somewhere in the diorama/layout.  I haven't quite decided how to finish it.It has a polished surface so the only thing that I can think of is that in real life that would be a shiny paint surface.Old totem poles are usually grey(ceder turns grey with time)totally or sometimes with remnants of paint.I don't want to paint it as a modern totem as the bright colors would be too distracting for the viewer.
I want to include it because the native people were a big part of the old west theme though not in this particular movie .I am planning an old prop yard at the rear of the diorama with fake horses etc..so I will probably put it there.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 20, 2012, 08:53:15 AM
It took me a few seconds to figure out what the heck it was. As I scanned it,then I realized it was a totem pole.  Never seen one like that before. Thought for a few seconds my eyes were going bonkers.    I like the thought of having an old prop lot in the back of the diorama.  Keep up the good work! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 21, 2012, 07:06:43 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW009-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 21, 2012, 07:08:55 AM
It took me a few seconds to figure out what the heck it was. As I scanned it,then I realized it was a totem pole.  Never seen one like that before. Thought for a few seconds my eyes were going bonkers.    I like the thought of having an old prop lot in the back of the diorama.  Keep up the good work! O0
I just had to put something in there for our native peoples. ;)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 21, 2012, 07:42:20 AM
That's a great idea! Something that no one else would think of. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 22, 2012, 04:06:08 AM
I have decided to make the saloon end of the diorama a kind of closed set,mostly by adding another building and a couple solid wood backdrops.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW010-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 22, 2012, 07:33:23 AM
A lot of movies and tv shows were and still are being filmed on closed sets,so you have the right idea. Adds a bit of reality to the piece. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 24, 2012, 06:44:28 AM

I am planning to add to the storyline a bit by adding a bit more history to the diorama.This once was an active movie set that was converted into a theme park that has since failed and has been abandoned.This will allow me more freedom for weathering the piece in my own style.For scale I may dress up one of the figures as a mannequin that has also fallen into disrepair.I am also thinking about doing a small scale model within this model for the props yard.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 24, 2012, 07:56:21 AM
Very interesting!  Can't wait to see how the piece comes along. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 27, 2012, 07:49:21 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW012-4.jpg)

Well,I have changed my mind again.It is now back to the theme park idea.The props yard and no figures is just boring,especially for kids and after all this is why I do this stuff,for the kids and of course for the kid in all of us too.
Now I am planning at least 20 figures in this diorama,maybe more and a complete HO scale old west town with a few figures also.
Yesterday I built up my first HO structure in wood,an outhouse(well you gotta start somewhere and every old west town needs them).
1/87 is as small as I have ever gone and I kinda like it for a change of pace.
Miniature towns are very popular in Europe especially in England and Germany and the kids seem to love them.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 27, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
It's your project and I'll support whatever you decide upon. The kid in all of us will never go away,thankfully!   The outhouse is a good start.   True story here: Up until the mid 80's,my great-grandparent's farm only had an old outhouse and you had to draw water from the old pump. There also were a few beautiful whispering pines in the front yard. Then the tornado came and took them. Now,the old house,as I knew it,is gone. The new owners tore it down and found that there was an old log cabin under all the additions that were put up through the years and they even found currency dated back to the civil war. Grandpa and grandma immigrated from Norway to the US. The house became a museum and for a while the public was invited for tours. Don't know whether it is still open to the public or not now.Been many years since we've been there.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 30, 2012, 07:37:07 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW005-5.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 30, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
Always need a post office. The old facade looks good!  Looking forward to whatever else you have up your sleeve! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on October 31, 2012, 07:40:46 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW003-10.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on October 31, 2012, 08:32:15 AM
You have been busy!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 01, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW003-7.jpg)
This is where I am as of today.The lower right hand side of the pic is where the HO removable module will be.There will eventually be 15 buildings and facades in there.The future N scale module could be attached  to any of the four sides by simply screwing it on.The trains movement should really be an eye catcher.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 01, 2012, 04:36:32 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW014-2.jpg)
Now where the hell do I start ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 01, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
You've come so far and have done very good work.  Now comes the little details. Can't blame you for being a bit confused.  Any room on the set for an old barber shop and/or blacksmith shop?  I don't envy you with having to make decisions on the little details.They are always the worst. For me,anyway.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 03, 2012, 07:27:50 AM


I am planning 3 different modules for this piece.The G scale part will be finished in detail and weathered like an old abandoned movie set or ghost town.The HO scale part will be a removable module of an old west town and modeled to look like a model,in other words not as detailed or lifelike.The N scale part will be an add on module, fastened to one side of the perimeter, but I haven't yet decided which one.It will be an operating ,shelf type, old west train layout made to look like a G scale train(in real life) with G scale figures wandering through it.There will also be a old west movie poster area and a G scale area for a couple of fake horses.The horses will be hollowed out to look like  paper mache  ones with a sign nearby saying "Don't feed the horses",fake horses were often used as props in old west movies.

This piece has now evolved into a theme park idea (circa 1960's) It is a fantasy piece using lots of artistic license.( but isn't that what movies and models are all about,a suspension of your own disbelief ?) The core story is still about the Italian director Sergio Leone and his  love of the western genre and it is dedicated to his memory.

Once Upon a time.........

My photobucket:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/

I am a man of few words but lots of pics

 

I quit drinking beer because the download was taking longer than the upload !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 03, 2012, 07:38:06 AM
You have a lot of imagination going into the piece!  Looking forward to seeing how it evolves. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 04, 2012, 06:22:11 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW009-1.jpg)
I kinda like this model within a model idea for a theme park.Finishing Morton's car with just furniture would be a little boring for kids I imagine but seeing another locomotive on display would be more fun.Walt Disney did this in his theme park and it was a hit with the kids both young and old.:D


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 04, 2012, 07:37:26 AM
Model within a model?  I like it!  If Disney could do it,so can you!  Now all you need is a merry-go-round with pics of different characters on each horse and maybe a little music to get their ears perked up.(Seriously) :D


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 07, 2012, 06:33:07 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW004-8.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 07, 2012, 10:16:27 AM
Lookin' good!  Like the mother/child figures!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 07, 2012, 03:31:49 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW002-10.jpg)
As a kid I always loved the story of Gulliver's Travels.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 07, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
That would be a terrific way to show kids and adults alike,using that show's premise,how films were made,etc.  Go for it! :D


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 08, 2012, 05:14:21 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW005-6.jpg)
What is an old west diorama/layout without a couple of these guys ! C|:-)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 08, 2012, 08:28:06 AM
It wouldn't be right without horses.  Every old western movie had horses,be they real or fake. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 10, 2012, 06:02:31 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Old%20west%20buildings/OUATITW003-12.jpg)
The HO old west town is coming along.I didn't want to do it as a ghost town because there is all ready a lot of grey in the piece and I felt it needed a little color. C|:-)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 10, 2012, 08:05:51 AM
Too much gray would turn the viewer away. Always add a bit of color.If you decide to,at some point,you can always fade the color to fit the time period. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 16, 2012, 06:24:59 AM
Hi everybody ! Great day today as my wife will soon be home after her second knee replacement surgery .Everything went well.  I will be re-focusing my energy for awhile now to help to nurse her back to health.I am planning to spend the time I have now concentrating on storyboarding and a little research.
The "Once upon a time.... diorama is going well but I have changed my mind again and am going back to the original concept of a movie set.I think that it is better to tell one story well than get things too confusing for the viewer.I know that it seems that I can't make up my mind, and your right about that, but that is the fun of doing this in real time rather than presenting a competed piece  and then pretending that I knew where I was going all the time.
Cheers ! John. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 16, 2012, 08:45:20 AM
Glad to hear your wife is home and on the road to recovery. Taking time to help her should be the only thing on your mind.  The one thing I have noticed during the time you have been working on the diorama is that you change your mind a lot. That,to me,means you are seriously thinking it all over before doing the piece.  To go full steam ahead before you really know what you want to do could possibly cost you unneccesary time,money and heartache. Once a project is started,it's hard to stop,destroy it and start all over again. A pro thinks it over and works on his or her project for a bit then makes sure it is what they really want before continuing on. Me? I constantly think and rethink and overthink a project to death and then once it is done,second guess myself. Then it hits me,DUH,it worked out ok.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on November 30, 2012, 08:57:16 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW002-8.jpg)This is what I am working on right now,the movie set props yard, showing the use of mixed scales for use as forced perspective,backdrops,and phoney horses in crates etc...


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on November 30, 2012, 09:08:18 AM
WOW!!!  You have been busy!  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 01, 2012, 06:26:00 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW005-9-1.jpg)
Movie set stage lighting scratchbuilt.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 01, 2012, 07:26:06 AM
Well done!  Looks like the real deal! :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 03, 2012, 05:48:07 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW002-9.jpg)
Now I have to wire them.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 03, 2012, 06:08:35 AM
Looking good!  Pretty soon,you'll be able to say Lights! Camera! Action!   O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 04, 2012, 06:39:09 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW001-10.jpg)
Well it is now back to the saloon.Only the front facade will be finished while the rear will accommodate the actors dressing rooms.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 04, 2012, 07:35:16 AM
One more step makes the set that much closer to completion. Done a great job thus far. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 06, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW004-9.jpg)
Movie set 2.I have expanded the props yard to include a car/wagon idea that actually existed on the Leone movie set.For some shots of the wagon scene thru Monument Valley,A car was used for filming where you would normally expect a horse.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 06, 2012, 10:02:46 AM
There was a driver in the car pulling the wagon while the film crew was shooting scenes for the film.  Sergio knew what he wanted and knew how to make it happen. The viewer had to first watch the film and then ask themself how it was done.  You are not supposed to know that some scenes were shot while a car is pulling the wagon,thus the magic of Hollywood and you have captured that magic.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 08, 2012, 08:41:58 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/The%20General/281011042.jpg)
I have joined the Clint Eastwood site and will be putting up the same pics over there too.
I have found a great website that de-constructes the opening scene of the movie.I will take some pics off the screen and compare the actual movie set scene with mine in 1/24 scale.Should be fun !
Note: I don't know how this pic got so big ?


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 08, 2012, 01:22:38 PM
Looks like you got up close and personal with the real deal. I kinda like it myself! Glad to hear about the other websites. I have a feeling you're going to have fun.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 16, 2012, 06:33:45 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/OUATITW002-13.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 16, 2012, 08:08:03 AM
Good name for the saloon. Like the way you have it all wired up and ready to go.Perfect. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 30, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Claudias%20arrival%20scene/Alb3048.jpg)Claudia's arrival scene at Flagstone station.
The story really centers around Claudia's character "Jill".I have decided to create a vignette of her opening scene,the arrival at Flagstone.I think that it should make for a wonderful addition to the storyline.It is just now in the preliminary planning stages.Hope you like it !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 30, 2012, 09:15:26 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Claudias%20arrival%20scene/onceupon007.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 30, 2012, 10:24:48 PM
Without Claudia's "Jill",there wouldn't have been a storyline. I'm glad you are directing your focus to her arrival scene. Can't to homage to the film or Sergio without doing something with Claudia's "Jill".  Every western has to have its beautiful woman or it is just a drab movie. She was in a film with Jack Palance,but I can't remember the name of the film.That's the first time I remember seeing her. Of course I was just a kid,but still,I could see her beauty.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on December 31, 2012, 06:05:56 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Claudias%20arrival%20scene/onceupon004-1.jpg)
Here I am just fooling around with some ideas.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on December 31, 2012, 08:50:50 PM
I love that backdrop!  Looks like someone is setting up the cameras to film the first shots. Keeping that?  Happy New Year!!!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on January 12, 2013, 06:16:49 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/The%20Water%20Tower/onceupon002-3.jpg)
Here is where I am on the water tower right now. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 12, 2013, 07:47:53 AM
Lookin' good!  Not missing any details. :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on January 22, 2013, 07:11:47 AM
Yesterday was a great day as I finally figured out the storyline for the "Once Upon A time.....storyboard diorama.Basically it is back to the theme park idea.I only want one figure in the piece for both storyline and scale purposes.The figure will be opening or closing the gated theme park with lock and key.This eliminates the need for any other figures and makes an empty theme park believable.I was worried about doing justice to the figures and making them look real, especially for Jill 's arrival scene.Instead of figures I will use posters of each actors important scenes that I like.Each scene(Vignette) will tell its own story,a kind of story within the story idea.I will create two more modules,one for Jill's arrival and the other for the security guard or park manager.(this scene will also contain a car ,truck or motorcycle etc... .These two modules I will try to place in such a way as to take away the look of too much squareness in the overall storyboard diorama.There will of course be more changes as I go along but this idea really appeals to me and I hope to the viewer as well.Cheers ! John.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 22, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
Every project takes time and lots of thinking and re-thinking. The theme park idea with just a security guard at the gate sounds fun. Gives the viewer the chance to take the whole area in without too much information. Let the viewer use his or her imagination as how things were done.  O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on January 24, 2013, 06:01:28 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Claudias%20arrival%20scene/onceuponatime005.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on January 24, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Looking good!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on February 07, 2013, 08:12:39 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/onceuponatime016_zpsdd219794.jpg)
Playing with the composition.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on February 07, 2013, 09:01:36 AM
The best way to find out what works,what doesn't and if you like what you've done so far. Besides,it's fun to play around with the piece you are working on.  :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on February 22, 2013, 05:57:26 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Claudias%20arrival%20scene/onceuponatime006-3_zps45bfd307.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on February 22, 2013, 05:59:48 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/onceuponatime026_zps910f25d1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on February 22, 2013, 09:37:55 AM
I like the before and after shots. You're doing a great job. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: Senza on February 23, 2013, 11:43:12 PM
Wow! This is really neat! Good job, mate!


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on April 29, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Final assembly
About 75% of the diorama is now finished and I am estimating about another years work to completion if I work on it full time.The plan right now is to start at  the approximate center of the diorama and work my way out to the perimeter finishing things as I go along. The heart of this diorama is the interior of the old station at Cattle Crossing which also happens to be the opening scene from the film.


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on April 29, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Final%20assembly/Gscaletrains037-2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Final%20assembly/Gscaletrains037-2.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on April 29, 2013, 05:19:55 PM
Another year, if you work full time on it?   Just think of how much more fun you will have working on it.  It may be work, but it's fun too!     O0       


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: cigar joe on April 29, 2013, 05:43:02 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Final%20assembly/Gscaletrains037-2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/Final%20assembly/Gscaletrains037-2.jpg.html)

Nice



Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: noodles_leone on April 30, 2013, 05:23:08 AM
Great work! I didn't need the legend to spot the location :)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on May 27, 2013, 08:00:47 PM
You have put in a lot of work into this project.  Can't wait to see more.   


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on July 17, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%201%20%20%20HMS%20%20Victory/3131e155-dca7-4ccc-9edf-a596de6e3594_zps72b90666.jpg~original) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%20%201%20%20%20HMS%20%20Victory/3131e155-dca7-4ccc-9edf-a596de6e3594_zps72b90666.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on July 17, 2013, 05:34:59 PM
The joy in that little boy's face says it all! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 01, 2013, 09:21:37 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/module%203/812dd01b-2aa3-44f0-8c39-fa4322d79545_zps830211b9.jpg~original) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/module%203/812dd01b-2aa3-44f0-8c39-fa4322d79545_zps830211b9.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 01, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
Clayton Moore!    Loved the series.   Doing a great job! O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 02, 2013, 03:49:25 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/97285d50-af43-4b7e-9064-60e7d564372b_zpse75cc477.jpg~original) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%20%206%20%20RR%20%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20West/97285d50-af43-4b7e-9064-60e7d564372b_zpse75cc477.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 03, 2013, 05:06:22 AM
<a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%206%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/module1/82e19287-cb35-4763-a603-cdaf48f250e4_zps1282f679.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%206%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/module1/82e19287-cb35-4763-a603-cdaf48f250e4_zps1282f679.jpg~original" border="0" alt=" photo 82e19287-cb35-4763-a603-cdaf48f250e4_zps1282f679.jpg"/></a>


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 03, 2013, 05:07:37 AM
Wrong pic !


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 03, 2013, 05:09:48 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%206%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/module1/th_82e19287-cb35-4763-a603-cdaf48f250e4_zps1282f679.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%206%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/module1/82e19287-cb35-4763-a603-cdaf48f250e4_zps1282f679.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 03, 2013, 06:05:15 AM
wrong pic


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: JohnReid on August 03, 2013, 06:07:25 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/JohnReid/Diorama%206%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/module1/th_d4d4d277-c2da-42a3-b969-0a7437929328_zpsabc699a4.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/JohnReid/media/Diorama%206%20Once%20Upon%20A%20Time%20In%20The%20Movies/module1/d4d4d277-c2da-42a3-b969-0a7437929328_zpsabc699a4.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev on August 03, 2013, 12:25:32 PM
Went to photobucket.  Looking good!  Can't wait to see more. O0


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev1 on August 26, 2013, 09:40:40 AM
Looking forward to seeing how far you've come on your diorama.  Just hit the link to your photobucket page all pics are gone. 


Title: Re: Sergio Leone Movie Set Diorama
Post by: graysev1 on October 17, 2013, 10:18:27 AM
Haven't been online since before the move. Was curious to see how you're doing on the diorama.   Had to call EMT's to get dad out of the old apartment. Legs refused to work, sat froze in the wheelchair at the top of the stairs. He used to be able to just barely walk with my help down the stairs. Was told the stress of the move has caused the Parkinson's symptoms to get worse, should get a bit better as we go along.  BTW, graysev and graysev1 are the same person. New computer, new e-mail, new everything.  Windows 8 is not all that great. Everyone I've talked to says the same thing.