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Films of Sergio Leone => Duck, You Sucker => Topic started by: Nobody on May 13, 2004, 07:02:02 AM



Title: DYS-help
Post by: Nobody on May 13, 2004, 07:02:02 AM
The scene in which Steiger sees all those massacred people in the cave supposedly made an incredible impression on italians upon the films release. I can't remember why. It was either mentioned in Fraylings book, or in the Sergio Leone: Once Upon A Time documentary. It was either based on something that had actually happened in Italy, and thereby made an impression on the italians, or it was based on a very famous painting all italians knew. I've been thinking Goya, but haven't found any paintings similar to the scene. Does anyone here know? Please help, this is driving me crazy.


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: shorty larsen on May 14, 2004, 01:57:58 PM
Maybe the Goya paintings about the shootings of spanish rebels by the napoleonic armies. The paintings are dark and sad as Leone's scenes.


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: Walton on May 15, 2004, 04:20:55 AM
Hi guys,
longtime viewer, first time poster. Love the site. Regarding the grotto massacre sequence in DYS, according to Frayling, it is based on an infamous chapter of ww2 where the Nazi's slaughtered a few hundred (I think, certainly a high number) of Italian civilians at or in a cave near an Italian town. Leone apparently designed such sequences in DYS to make the viewer think of 'all wars' and this sequence was immediately recognised by Italian viewers, as was the scene where the disguised officer is captured and executed on the railway station platform. This is also based on an infamous moment from Italy's ww2, but I cannot recall any more details. I was actually able to get my hands on the Japanese two disk special edition of DYS via a Japanese friend. Picture quality is so-so, but it was great to see the extra scenes and have the film in the correct aspect ratio. Heaven! (this was before the UK dvd release materialised)
Great to be on board!


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: The Smoker on May 15, 2004, 06:18:15 AM
I think Frayling actually brushed on this subject in 'Something Death' but its still amazing to me that 'Gi La Testa' or any Zapata Westerns more in there subject, where made in Franco era Spain.  ???

They only saw italians making cowboy movies in there country.


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: Nobody on May 15, 2004, 06:28:28 AM
I was thinking about the incident Walton referred to. Thanks, Walton.

The Goya painting Shorty Larsen refers to is called 3rd of May Massacre, and it is visualized in this film. In fact, Leone supposedly based the entire look of the film on Goya's Disasters Of War-series. Great pictures, great film.


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: shorty larsen on May 15, 2004, 08:17:51 AM
The infamous chapter of WW2 is maybe de massacre of jews in the "Fossa Adreatina", leaded by SS officer Eric Priebke.


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: grandpa_chum on May 18, 2004, 10:14:38 PM
yeah... look at any piece of work in goya's disasters of war series and you'll see the influence it had on that scene and a couple of others... here is the link http://www.napoleonguide.com/goyaind6.htm (http://www.napoleonguide.com/goyaind6.htm)


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: Nobody on May 19, 2004, 04:59:45 AM
And here's a link to The Third of May Massacre: http://www.abcgallery.com/G/goya/goya70.html

Anyone recognise this from the film?


Title: Re:DYS-help
Post by: shorty larsen on May 19, 2004, 03:02:53 PM
Well, the episode of the "Fosse Ardeatine" was not exactly as I told it.

Here's a better explanation: http://www.nerone.cc/nerone/archivio/arch19.htm