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Title: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on November 18, 2010, 08:58:57 AM
First teaser:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfo8ed_cowboys-aliens-trailer-1-vo-hd_shortfilms

I'll let you guys comment on this.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: titoli on November 18, 2010, 04:04:21 PM
It has a good (though slow) start (namely the title) but Ron Howard's involvement is a sure omen the movie is going to stiff after the first scene. The action scenes are undistinguished. Ford is pathetic. The score sucks. 2\10


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Groggy on November 18, 2010, 04:18:14 PM
How did you see this?


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 18, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
It has a good (though slow) start (namely the title) but Ron Howard's involvement is a sure omen the movie is going to stiff after the first scene. The action scenes are undistinguished. Ford is pathetic. The score sucks. 2\10
Hmmm, but it's directed by Jon Favreau, so I'd be willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on November 18, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
interesting, I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: titoli on November 18, 2010, 06:32:03 PM
Hmmm, but it's directed by Jon Favreau, so I'd be willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Ah, he made Iron Man. Then it's 1\10


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Dust Devil on November 20, 2010, 02:15:25 AM
So what, is this a W?


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on November 20, 2010, 04:56:10 AM
sort of in that Wild Wild Western/Twilight Zone subgenre,  8)


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 20, 2010, 07:24:55 AM
You mean . . . a hybrid???


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on November 20, 2010, 09:19:36 AM
I first thought it all started at an obscure business where a producer was asked "So what's next?" and he had to come up with a stupid idea to save his job: "You know, it's gonna be James Bond meets Indiana Jones meets War of the Worlds meets Apollo 13 meets (by the way where is Cambel? Not available? Ok, then...) Iron Man. And guess what? It's gonna be a Western movie."

But actually it's from a comic books. Once again.

I'm probably gonna watch it though, it's not often you have the opportunity to see real western sequences on the big screen.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Dust Devil on November 20, 2010, 11:11:02 AM
I don't know what index should I put it in?


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: moviesceleton on November 20, 2010, 11:43:56 AM
I don't know what index should I put it in?
We need The Crap Index.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on November 20, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Fantasy Index what else. O0


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Dust Devil on November 21, 2010, 02:03:35 AM
We need The Crap Index.

Indeed. ;D


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 03, 2010, 02:57:33 PM
Like most of you know this idea is not a new one and should be treated as such.
Mixing Westerns with things that belong to other genres and stories has been done since the dawn of Western (movies) cinema and extraterrestrials are no strangers to Frontier towns (The Aurora Encounter).

For good examples of hybrids one doesn't need to look further than Mexico's cowboy film output throughout the 50's and early 60's.
Those films have gunslingers going up against mummies, zombies, skeletons, vampires etc.

Americans put out a few too. Most notably Valley Of Gwanji where Cowboys wrangle up some Dinosaurs!

And if you want to go back further many programmers of the 20's and 30's featured many bizarre/supernatural things in their 50 minute run time.

Perhaps the first example of another genre being mixed with a Western dates back to 1913 (The Werewolf).

Anyway, what do I think of Cowboys And Aliens?
It looked pretty good up until the Aliens showed up. 


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on December 06, 2010, 05:27:31 AM
Anyway, what do I think of Cowboys And Aliens?
It looked pretty good up until the Aliens showed up. 

Exactly what I thought (although they should remove that hat on James Bond and fin him another one, it really looks ridiculous on his head).
Concerning mixing the genres, it's not the fact that they do it that is surprizing, it's the fact that they do it in such a kitsch way. Their could have been thousands of other titles for the movie that could have worked perfectly without sounding like one of these z movies from the past (billy the kid vs dracula). To me, it sounds like they're trying to sell it (with that title) as a rodriguez-like Grindhouse movie, but when you look at the trailers, it looks uterly serious. Same thing happened with Snakes In A Plane.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 06, 2010, 10:57:10 AM
Mixing Westerns with things that belong to other genres and stories has been done since the dawn of Western (movies) cinema and extraterrestrials are no strangers to Frontier towns (The Aurora Encounter).

For good examples of hybrids one doesn't need to look further than Mexico's cowboy film output throughout the 50's and early 60's.
Those films have gunslingers going up against mummies, zombies, skeletons, vampires etc.

Americans put out a few too. Most notably Valley Of Gwanji where Cowboys wrangle up some Dinosaurs!

And if you want to go back further many programmers of the 20's and 30's featured many bizarre/supernatural things in their 50 minute run time.

Perhaps the first example of another genre being mixed with a Western dates back to 1913 (The Werewolf).
Good overview, but I'm surprised you didn't mention Billy the Kid vs. Dracula. Man, they really made a lot of these things.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 07, 2010, 12:25:09 AM
Good overview, but I'm surprised you didn't mention Billy the Kid vs. Dracula. Man, they really made a lot of these things.

Dozens, if not hundreds coming out of Mexico alone.
I didn't mention Billy The Kid vs. Dracula or Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter because those are the ones people remember.
Plus, The Valley of Gwangi is a much more notable entry in America's additions to the sub-genre.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Groggy on December 07, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
If it's a choice between this and that Cowboys and Ninjas movie (The Warrior's Way?)... I'll see True Grit.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 10, 2010, 06:11:03 PM
If it's a choice between this and that Cowboys and Ninjas movie (The Warrior's Way?)... I'll see True Grit.


I saw The Warrior's Gay just today.
A suitable East Meets West movie with some fun ideas (A shootout on a Ferris Wheel).
The opening in Japan is perfectly fine but when the action moves out West it gets a little boring until these rough riders from Hell show up!
After that you can relax as you'll be properly entertained.

6/10


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on February 06, 2011, 03:42:57 PM
Ok the superbowl fans among us will see this on TV pretty soon, but here is the new spot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vdy4eRKrf_8


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on February 06, 2011, 04:33:07 PM
Pass for me  8)


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on February 06, 2011, 05:17:39 PM
Pass for me  8)
Same here :D


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Groggy on February 07, 2011, 01:03:52 PM
The TV spot during the Super Bowl yesterday confirmed my suspicions: it will suck.

I'm sure Jinkies will go see it.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 08, 2011, 11:15:22 AM
The TV spot during the Super Bowl yesterday confirmed my suspicions: it will suck.

I'm sure Jinkies will go see it.
You may be right on both points. But let's wait for the reviews, shall we?


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Groggy on February 12, 2011, 09:50:53 AM
No


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 27, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
Not sounding too good: http://www.blu-ray.com/Cowboys-and-Aliens/32370/?show=preview


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: titoli on July 27, 2011, 10:27:39 PM
Not sounding too good: http://www.blu-ray.com/Cowboys-and-Aliens/32370/?show=preview

Well, he just gave a more elaborated version of my trailer review.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 28, 2011, 10:02:47 AM
Well, he just gave a more elaborated version of my trailer review.
Sure, but you do see the value of second source confirmation, don't you?


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: titoli on July 28, 2011, 03:29:33 PM
Sure, but you do see the value of second source confirmation, don't you?

NO, I don't.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on July 29, 2011, 07:44:03 PM
My wife is a big James Craig fan so she drug me to Cowboys & Aliens, so I can review it.  ;)

First Thoughts:

Well since we all knew ahead of time what we were in for, my head was in the right place. I was expecting something similar to "The Wild Wild West' or some of those "Twilight Zone" episodes and even "Renegade" (Blueberry)that were placed in the old West and that's pretty much what I got.

The Good:

I can honestly say that the film did have a good Western feel to it, the costumes and the actors actually had that correct look that channeled the Golden Age Westerns. The hats weren't all flat brimmed Stetsons plopped ridiculously on heads that they don't fit like a lot of recent want to be Westerns,  but a nice mix and variety that you saw during the heyday of the Western on film & TV.  The actors also all looked believable.

I believe there is an off handed nod to "Django Kill If You Live Shoot" but it could be a co-inkydink  :D

The landscapes were great no problems there.

The story was a check your brain at the BO type of story but you pretty much knew that ahead of time, and I'm sure there will be WTF questions if you think about it too much, lol.

There is one nice story twist with the Native Americans and one of the characters  that I won't reveal. :-X

The Bad:

The aliens are again basically the same old same old, another knock off of the aliens in "Alien", how many times are you going to see goop and slime covered extraterrestrials with telescoping body parts, its getting old and I don't go to that many syfy films. Add to the look the sped up and shaky cam action and we've seen it all before. Why not have humanoid aliens? But I guess Star Trek has a lock on that.

Alien ships and gizmos - see it all before.

The Indifferent:

The Sound design of the Western segments was decent, there was a score but nothing that remained with you afterwards

Anyway, it is what it is 6.6-7/10





Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 03, 2011, 10:52:56 AM
You make it sound like the western "stuff" are worth watching.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on August 03, 2011, 11:15:25 AM
You make it sound like the western "stuff" are worth watching.

I'd just say that it felt right, but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: titoli on August 03, 2011, 04:02:18 PM
You make it sound like the western "stuff" are worth watching.

No, it's just that his wife reads what he writes in this forum.  8)


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: cigar joe on August 03, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
No, it's just that his wife reads what he writes in this forum.  8)
  ;D


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Dust Devil on September 10, 2014, 08:30:46 AM
My wife is a big James Craig fan so she drug me to Cowboys & Aliens, so I can review it.  ;)

First Thoughts:

Well since we all knew ahead of time what we were in for, my head was in the right place. I was expecting something similar to "The Wild Wild West' or some of those "Twilight Zone" episodes and even "Renegade" (Blueberry)that were placed in the old West and that's pretty much what I got.

The Good:

I can honestly say that the film did have a good Western feel to it, the costumes and the actors actually had that correct look that channeled the Golden Age Westerns. The hats weren't all flat brimmed Stetsons plopped ridiculously on heads that they don't fit like a lot of recent want to be Westerns,  but a nice mix and variety that you saw during the heyday of the Western on film & TV.  The actors also all looked believable.

I believe there is an off handed nod to "Django Kill If You Live Shoot" but it could be a co-inkydink  :D

The landscapes were great no problems there.

The story was a check your brain at the BO type of story but you pretty much knew that ahead of time, and I'm sure there will be WTF questions if you think about it too much, lol.

There is one nice story twist with the Native Americans and one of the characters  that I won't reveal. :-X

The Bad:

The aliens are again basically the same old same old, another knock off of the aliens in "Alien", how many times are you going to see goop and slime covered extraterrestrials with telescoping body parts, its getting old and I don't go to that many syfy films. Add to the look the sped up and shaky cam action and we've seen it all before. Why not have humanoid aliens? But I guess Star Trek has a lock on that.

Alien ships and gizmos - see it all before.

The Indifferent:

The Sound design of the Western segments was decent, there was a score but nothing that remained with you afterwards

Anyway, it is what it is 6.6-7/10





Yes this is basically spot on, plus what titoli (I think) said about Ford who is as bad here as he ever was.

The aliens were really lame but I personally can't think how they could have been better... 😑


Still, I wasn't bored.  6.5/10


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: stanton on September 10, 2014, 02:28:11 PM
My wife is a big James Craig fan so she drug me to Cowboys & Aliens, so I can review it.  ;)


Maybe his wife killed him meanwhile ...


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Dust Devil on September 11, 2014, 01:43:29 AM
Maybe his wife killed him meanwhile ...

Hahaha O0


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on September 11, 2014, 06:53:19 AM
To those who haven't seen the film: don't listen to those guys, because they are plain wrong. Just watch the trailer, the 10 cool shots of the film are in it. Everything that is not in the trailer is 2/10. Also, a full film may have been good but they completly forgot to hire somebody who would find a story so it's basically:

Cowboys!
And aliens!
Damn aliens, let's find them.
Fight!
Twist*!
The end.




*It's just a regular twist. In order to have a PLOT twist you also need a plot.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: stanton on September 11, 2014, 07:19:21 AM
You forgot the main attraction. The aliens and also the cowboys are only Mcguffins, they are well, not important, but you need them as an excuse for what the film is really about, and actually this film is about Olivia Wilde. Which makes the film watchable despite all other flaws.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on September 11, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
You forgot the main attraction. The aliens and also the cowboys are only Mcguffins, they are well, not important, but you need them as an excuse for what the film is really about, and actually this film is about Olivia Wilde. Which makes the film watchable despite all other flaws.

 ;D

Telling the truth, I thought her outfit was terrible.

(http://media1.giphy.com/media/GfV7RoKVJd9gQ/200_s.gif)


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: emmo26 on September 12, 2014, 01:59:56 PM
Makes you think if they made this film about 25 years ago, they would've got Clint Eastwood to play Harrison Ford's part and Harrison Ford to play Daniel Craig's part.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: stanton on September 12, 2014, 02:31:38 PM
;D

Telling the truth, I thought her outfit was terrible.

(http://media1.giphy.com/media/GfV7RoKVJd9gQ/200_s.gif)

Hmm, ... well, yes ... that really looks awful ... she obviously had to suffer in that film. But as I can't remember her wearing that shitty dress,  her acting (or her looks) must have overcome the film's shortcomings in every respect.

(is that image really from the film? )


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: noodles_leone on September 12, 2014, 02:54:18 PM
Yes that's really in from film. I remember thinking "she's nothing to do here" every time she was on screen (and I like her) only because of her outfit. I think you're in love.


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: stanton on September 13, 2014, 05:39:07 AM
I think you're in love.

Fuck, now that you say it ... you are right ...


Title: Re: Cowboys & Aliens (2011)
Post by: Spikeopath on March 02, 2017, 09:14:38 AM
My own 10p contribution.

I've seen good men do bad things and bad men do good things.

Cowboys & Aliens is directed by John Favreau and collectively written by Damon Lindelof, Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Mark Fergus, Hawk Ostby and Steve Oedekerk. It stars Daniel Craig, Harrison Ford, Olivia Wilde, Clancy Brown and Sam Rockwell. Music is scored by Harry Gregson-Williams and cinematography by Matthew Libatique.

It's 1873 in the Arizona Territory, and an unnamed loner (Daniel Craig) awakens in the desert bleeding from an injury, with no memory, and with a strange metal bracelet shackled to his wrist. Making his way to the nearby town of Absolution, he discovers his name, what happened to him and finds that soon, he, and the citizens of Absolution, must engage in a fight for friends and family against an alien race.

Silly title, it really is. More so because it has been proved to be misleading as to the content of the actual film. Oh there is cowboys and aliens in the film, and great fun at times it is to see two genres spliced into one big money backed movie. But the title does lend itself to an expectation of wall to wall froth, a world where tongues are in cheek and explosions surround a bunch of jovial Western characters as they face off against an alien foe. As anyone who has seen the film can attest, Cowboys and Aliens is anything but frothy. It proves to be an uneasy blend of genres, a task that director Favreau and the ream of writers involved in the project, don't fully complete. You have to wonder if the number of writers involved lost sight of a collective goal? Because the film at times comes off as a gnarly, grizzled machismo piece, taking its story seriously, only to then stop taking itself seriously to bring the no brain thrills for the popcorn crowd. It's no wonder that it has failed to find an audience since it's not sure how to find itself!

Money makes you soft.

However, a second viewing of the film can bring better rewards once armed with the knowledge of what type of film it is. There's much to enjoy, from a mostly agreeable cast to the excellent Western visuals; and from the well constructed action set pieces to the outrageousness of the premise, Favreau's film has plenty of guts, grandeur and gunnery to keep the undemanding entertained. The flaws remain (cliches, stereotypes, logic holes), and in fact the weak plot and reasoning for the alien motives is even more annoying second time around. But it's never dull and the visual effects are more charming than most other big budgeted blockbusters. That the effects are not swallowing the film whole is a big plus, it puts the human characterisations front and centre, where the likes of Craig, Ford (both mean and broody), Rockwell (excellent) and Brown (likewise) come to the fore to at least keep us interested in how it all pans out before the inevitable battle provides the answers. While from a red blooded guy point of view, more of the lovely Olivia Wilde instead of showy alien effects is fine by me, even if her character is pretty much a token one.

Second viewing brings better rewards, yet it's always going to struggle to find a fully committed fan base, but it's far from being the disaster some disappointed first time viewers proclaim it as. Not a great film for sure, but it is a good one. 7/10

Footnote: It scrubs up real well on Blu-ray, the work of Libatique comes shining through as the Western vistas please the eyes with their detail, while the low lighting for the interiors gives off a nice Wild West hue.