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Title: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: mortimer on May 18, 2004, 01:47:50 PM
Noticed this is slated to be released Nov 9. Havent seen it but if Wallach is in it it should be interesting

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Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Nobody on May 19, 2004, 04:04:57 AM
Thank you Mortimer! I've been looking for this. It's the second part of Collizi's Cat Stevens trilogy, and I liked the others. Plus, as you said, it's got Eli Wallach


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Cusser on May 19, 2004, 09:43:16 AM
I've seen Ace High, don't expect Leone-quality.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on May 19, 2004, 02:20:45 PM
About two weeks ago i thought id come across a old vhs copy in a market place by its spine. pulled it out... some moldy TV movie about WWI fighter plane heros  ::)


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Nobody on May 23, 2004, 08:35:57 AM
You are refering to Aces High.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on May 23, 2004, 11:53:45 AM
Well.... yeah.  ;D


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on September 03, 2004, 05:01:39 AM
Something to look forward to.....


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Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Belkin on September 03, 2004, 05:04:05 PM
Excellent! Have always wanted to catch this movie as I've heard a lot of good reports about it. I saw a VHS copy on sale many years ago. The cover of the VHS had "ELI WALLACH AS TUCO IN ACE HIGH"! I didn't buy it because of that cover "ad". Wish now I had.  :'(


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on September 03, 2004, 09:19:39 PM
Yes it will be good to see Wallach do his stuff in another film.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: leonefan on September 06, 2004, 01:00:47 AM
Is this also going to be an R1 release?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on September 06, 2004, 04:38:03 AM
I'm thinking that it is, I remember reading somewhere that it was going to be released in November.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Lewis Hawk on September 06, 2004, 12:03:35 PM
scuse me but wallach does really play tuco again?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on September 06, 2004, 07:21:25 PM
You can pre order it from Amazon.com it to be released on Nov 9.

Not really Tuco but a similar Greek-Mexican bandit named "Cacopolous"


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Guerrilla on September 24, 2004, 01:51:55 AM
Yea,Eli Wallach is the same but Clint or Van Cleef are not in the film.
the movie is from the "Triniti" series with Bud Spenser and Terance Hill - i dont like it


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on September 24, 2004, 05:09:23 AM
Thats too bad if its not much good, I guess I'll have to chance it and see.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on September 24, 2004, 12:25:00 PM
I think they might be some 'call and response' between MGM (GBU) and Paramount (OUATITW,Aces High) here. On releasing old Spag.

'Death Rides A Horse' maybe from MGM next?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Walter on October 04, 2004, 09:07:09 AM
Yea,Eli Wallach is the same but Clint or Van Cleef are not in the film.
the movie is from the "Triniti" series with Bud Spenser and Terance Hill - i dont like it

I saw it when I was 13, and that's a long time ago. I kind of enjoyed it, as silly entertainment with a lot of gunplay. But I doubt I'll enjoy it today.... :-\


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Nobody on October 21, 2004, 07:08:47 AM
I am really looking forward to this release. I know I'm in a minority here, but I really like the other parts of the trilogy. Ace High has Eli Wallach in it as well. I can't see how I could possibly dislike this one.

By the way, when I say trilogy I do not refer to the Trinity series. Ace High is not part of the Trinity series. It is part of the Cat Stevens (not the artist, but the name of Terrence Hill's character) trilogy. All of these films are directed by Giuseppe Collizi.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: DJIMBO on October 21, 2004, 09:20:13 AM
havent heard the most complimentary things about this trilogy, not really held in the same regard as Leone's Dollars Trilogy or Sollima's 'Chase Trilogy'.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Nobody on October 21, 2004, 09:25:49 AM
Although I enjoy the films, they are not even comparable to the greatness of either Leone's of Sollima's trilogy. They are more of a guilty pleasure, but I really do enjoy them.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Nobody on November 01, 2004, 01:48:47 PM
I received it today, more than a week before its release, and I thought it was extremely enjoyable. Eli Wallach plays a character quite similar to Tuoc. Less trigger happy, but just as double crossing. He's extremely fun to watch, and make this film easily the best of the trilogy. When Terrence Hill orders him to drop his gun, he replies: "What? I feel naked without it", and it really cracked me up. Pure Wallach genious.

A few other familiar Leone faces showed up as well:
At least two of the McBain children (I'm not sure if the oldest boy was there. Could have been him, but I can't tell for sure), and Livio Lorenzon, who played Baker in GBU. He was also in Texas, Adios, in a role very similar to the one he played here.

The score was not up to the Morricone standard, but pretty decent. A mix of an operatic Morricone score, and a more classical american western score.

The dvd had a great transfer, almost as good as the Blue Underground transfers. There were no special features. Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer were dubbed by voices who didn't sound familiar to me, and didn't really fit the actors either. All in all, well worth the price I paid for it. Recommended, just don't expect Leone, or even Sollima or Corbucci.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2004, 05:45:19 PM
Thanks for the heads up on Ace High.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: El Bon on November 06, 2004, 12:45:55 PM
ACE HIGH will be showing on BBC1 on 11/11/04 at 12.20.
Set your videos!


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Nobody on November 09, 2004, 04:52:49 AM
For a more thorough review, check this out: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=13163


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: DJIMBO on November 09, 2004, 05:17:54 AM
ACE HIGH will be showing on BBC1 on 11/11/04 at 12.20.
Set your videos!


cheers angeleyes, ill be watchin it, if only for Eli!!  ;D


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on November 10, 2004, 04:52:16 PM
Well searched for Ace High at the Fishkill Walmart today no dice, but I did find a copy at Best Buy in Kingston  ;D will give it a showing tonight.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on November 11, 2004, 07:40:42 PM
Save your money, its not really worth buying, try and rent it if you must see it. Its nice to see Eli in a western but in this one he plays third fiddle to the Trinity Brothers and its not a very good story, a nice transfer but a waste of Eli Wallach, too bad.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: DJIMBO on November 12, 2004, 06:43:11 AM
Ace High, oh dear oh dear.  :-\

Saw it last night on BBC1, ok so wasnt widescreen version, thats one excuse.
Switched off after about 20 minutes it was so bad.
But if this is what the Trinity films are like, there is no comedy, i guess Hill and Spencer's characters are different in the Trinities.
Spencer was terrible, woefully dubbed, Hill was trying to be Eastwood.
Wallach was ok, but he had a terrible script.
Oh my God it was so bad... :o


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Belkin on November 12, 2004, 12:47:31 PM
Ace High, oh dear oh dear.  :-\

Saw it last night on BBC1, ok so wasnt widescreen version, thats one excuse.
Switched off after about 20 minutes it was so bad.
But if this is what the Trinity films are like, there is no comedy, i guess Hill and Spencer's characters are different in the Trinities.
Spencer was terrible, woefully dubbed, Hill was trying to be Eastwood.
Wallach was ok, but he had a terrible script.
Oh my God it was so bad... :o
Taped it last night and just watched it.....15 minutes of it that is! Unwatchable. Crap opening. Crap dialouge. Crap use of music! Reminded me of how many shite SPAGHETTI'S I sat thru in the 60's. As a genre, in all honestly, there can't be more than 10 classic SW's out of the hundreds made! And LEONE made half of those (the good ones that is). Hill as Eastwood is a non-starter! >:(


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on November 12, 2004, 02:27:27 PM
I also taped it last night. Its not that bad, it does have pacing problems. Seems to crawl a lot longer for a hour 50 mins movie. Terence & Bub do honorable jobs of holding the pace up. Eli Wallach energy in films 'as always' makes this look more than it is, The wanted poster being a highlight.
Did find the edit mildly amusing when Thomas jumps down from his high wire into the open wagon, and is suddenly upright and talkin back'  ;D
 
The whole casino section was great, the only thing i really remember from a previous viewing. The roulette wheel sting and the Showdown with a house band playing a bizarre waltz, to Wallach's charactors preference. The 4 on 4 gunfighters standing amist the cowering town folk completely carpeting the floor. Something new.

Rustichelli's Music was mixed to low & lost on the soundtrack in places, Specially Wallach introduction in the Jail. shame really sounded quite good.

But as above some good bits and bobs. But looks like its fall was in the editing room to me.

P.S. Did anybody notice those bizarre colored boxes in the foreground in the 2nd transitional scene on horseback? thought it was some kinda 60s pop art thing at first or trad mexican . very strange


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on November 12, 2004, 03:41:09 PM
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Did anybody notice those bizarre colored boxes in the foreground in the 2nd transitional scene on horseback? thought it was some kinda 60s pop art thing at first or trad mexican . very strange


They were bee hive supers, you keep stacking suppers if you have a good honey producing colony, usually they are just painted white but they must color them down Mexico way.

Also did you notice the McBain family kids in one of the scenes there were all three of them lol.

I can't believe somebody didn't use Eli Wallach in more good westerns Spaghetti or otherwise, I wonder if MacKenna's Gold is any good.

Belkin, did you ever catch these other Wallach SW's, Corbucci's  "The White, The Yellow & The Black" (Il Bianco Il Giallo, Il Negro) or "Viva La Muerta, Tua!"?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Belkin on November 13, 2004, 03:38:53 AM
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They were bee hive supers, you keep stacking suppers if you have a good honey producing colony, usually they are just painted white but they must color them down Mexico way.

Also did you notice the McBain family kids in one of the scenes there were all three of them lol.

I can't believe somebody didn't use Eli Wallach in more good westerns Spaghetti or otherwise, I wonder if MacKenna's Gold is any good.

Belkin, did you ever catch these other Wallach SW's, Corbucci's  "The White, The Yellow & The Black" (Il Bianco Il Giallo, Il Negro) or "Viva La Muerta, Tua!"?
Never caught them. Any good?.....Don't waste money on MacKenna's Gold. Great cast wasted in an insane storyline. I got the feeling everybody was high on something or other when they made it. In fact, you would have to be high on something or other just to watch it! SHARIF and PECK climbing a cartoon canyon is beyond description! And the theme song, OLD TURKEY BUZZARD! Could only have been worse if they's gotten LEE VAN CLEEF to sing it.....or ANDY DEVINE!


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on November 13, 2004, 07:09:26 AM
Belkin thanks for the heads up on Mackenna's Gold you know I think I remember seeing it as a kid, was that the one where at the end there is some kind of earthquake that topples a butte and buries the valley where the gold is? I don't even remember Wallach in it he must not have had much of a part.

I've never seen those other SW's either but an leary of them after Ace High, Il Bianco, Il Giallo, Il Negro, is supposed to be something like Red Sun, a western samuri flick.

Its hard to believe that Wallach didn't get more serious screen time he started out like gangbusters:

Baby Doll
Magnificent Seven
The Misfits
Lord Jim (don't remember him in this)
Gengis Kahn (don't remember him in this)
GBU

And then not much of any consequence after those, I remember Cinderella Liberty but mostly for Jack Nicholson I'll have to catch that again and I didn't think much of Godfather III.

What a waste of a great talent, I know he did a lot of Broadway, so maybe that explains why he wasn't in a lot of films.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Belkin on November 14, 2004, 03:30:14 AM
Belkin thanks for the heads up on Mackenna's Gold you know I think I remember seeing it as a kid, was that the one where at the end there is some kind of earthquake that topples a butte and buries the valley where the gold is? I don't even remember Wallach in it he must not have had much of a part.

I've never seen those other SW's either but an leary of them after Ace High, Il Bianco, Il Giallo, Il Negro, is supposed to be something like Red Sun, a western samuri flick.

Its hard to believe that Wallach didn't get more serious screen time he started out like gangbusters:

Baby Doll
Magnificent Seven
The Misfits
Lord Jim (don't remember him in this)
Gengis Kahn (don't remember him in this)
GBU

And then not much of any consequence after those, I remember Cinderella Liberty but mostly for Jack Nicholson I'll have to catch that again and I didn't think much of Godfather III.

What a waste of a great talent, I know he did a lot of Broadway, so maybe that explains why he wasn't in a lot of films.
Two of my favorite ELI WALLACH performances are in:
SEVEN THIEVES (1960); a terrific movie. Eli's co-stars are, EDWARD G. ROBINSON and ROD STIEGER.
and;
THE LINEUP(1958); Directed by DON SIEGEL.
If you haven't seen either of these, Cigar Joe, and you happen to come across them, you are in for a treat!


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: spag fan on January 31, 2005, 07:10:21 AM
I picked up Ace High new at Best Buy for only $7.49 this weekend, and I recommend others to do so as well. I don't really see why so many posters disliked this one. I found it to be well made and more enjoyable than the average spaghetti. Eli Wallach was great as always, and I thought the use of the Trinity Boy's was a plus, even if their voices were dubbed.

There are many "A-List" SW's that I found to be less enjoyable than this one. This is one of the better one's I've seen in a while.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Christopher on March 16, 2005, 04:37:20 PM
I've seen this movie out and read about it. Not sure if I want to buy it though, after reading through some of these reactions. :-\ Not that I really need to spend more money. ;)

It would be cool to see Wallach though, so maybe I'll be able to catch it on sometime or rent it.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on March 16, 2005, 04:52:15 PM
rent it  ;D


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: spag fan on March 17, 2005, 01:39:54 PM
If you find it for less than $10.00, I'd say buy it. Lord knows I've spent more for less. 8)


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 02, 2005, 06:02:31 PM
I'd also recommend at least a rental. Hey, no great shakes here...fairly ordinary...Wallach's Cacopoulos is an interesting character..no more....no less....
*Spoilers Ahead*


...The final 1/3 of the movie.. Brock Peters..Hill, Spencer, & Wallach teaming up to "sting" the Casino..& the final showdown..which was playful, weird, & funny...w/ a definite wink & a nod to Leone & the "corrida" finale in general...is worth seeing.
"Wait!! I've been dreaming of this moment for 15 years..something's missing!"'   ..What's that?"         "Music...there was always music"  :)
It almost redeems the movie..at least, as the credits rolled ..I felt glad that I had watched it.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 02, 2005, 08:29:27 PM
Il Bianco, Il Giallo, Il Negro, is supposed to be something like Red Sun, a western samuri flick.

It's a very silly comedy played strictly for laughs...w/ Tomas Milian playing a Japanese servant named 'Sakura' (really!) to a samurai ..& is full of bad jokes...w/ admittedly, some cute little  visual references to "Django"..."Companeros"..and "Red Sun", of course....& some others.
I saw it last week....if you get a chance to see it..it's got some laughs & in-jokes that are worthwhile.. but not 1 serious moment...in fact, some of the jokes have modern references unrelated to the old western setting.
Giuliano Gemma's in it..& Eli Wallach's got some funny moments.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: bronsky on May 07, 2005, 04:47:56 PM
It's a very silly comedy played strictly for laughs...w/ Tomas Milian playing a Japanese servant named 'Sakura' (really!) to a samurai ..& is full of bad jokes...w/ admittedly, some cute little  visual references to y moments.
With a farting Japanese pony. ;) Well, that's a pretty bad comedy. The score is however much better than in Ace High. Neither film is as good as the Trinities, imho.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on May 08, 2005, 08:51:36 AM
Sakura refers to it as  'thanking her majesties for this sweet perfume'.  ;D
Im not sure if the Japanese sendup stereotypes hold up to well these days. It has moments of butt-cletching embarrasment at times. 70s Corbucci is a very Hit and Miss period. Some nice almost Post-modernist/western self-parody ideas like in his earlier 'What am i doing in the middle of this revolution' (1972) 'Italian actor thepian in a mexican revolution'. The Indians bandits are white bandits dressed up as natives. I think it gets remembered because of the three names on the poster  Milian / Wallach / Gemma and not much else.
Sunny & jed is a better more rounded piece of work. But still silly, but more black humour in a way.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on May 08, 2005, 10:31:16 AM
Haven't seen the Samuri one, but I can recommend "Long Live Your Death", starring Eli and Franco Nero.  Although the woman's (Lynn Redgrave) accent is very annoying in it!

I would suggest that those that have enjoyed Ace High would enjoy this also, as it has a similar sense of humour.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Dlanor on August 01, 2005, 03:00:54 PM
I have just seen a not so bad SW: I Quattro dell'Ave Maria by Guiseppe Colizzi.  With Bud Spencer and Terence Hill and Eli Wallach. He was a bit quieter than in was in GBU, but quite the same character.
 But what I enjoyed the more was the appearance of Marilů Carteny and Enzo Santaniello, respectively Maureen and Timmy in OUTIW! They were together ( and not dead) exactely like in OUTIW, as a family. They weren't different because the movie was shot the same year or the year before.
 I checked IMDB ,I would have never expected them to be Italian, I believed they were Irish or something like that.
 


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on August 01, 2005, 10:17:57 PM
Yes I noticed them too.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Banjo on August 02, 2005, 04:02:22 AM
      Yeau this film is really entertaining and is worth owning for Eli Wallachs(Tuco-like) performane alone.I've also got the prequel to this-"God Forgives I Don't" which i found disappointing in that it was slow,slightly tedious and completely lacking in the humour shown in Ace High(English title for above-mentioned film).I've avoided the 3rd in the trilogy-Boot Hill because apparently it's awfull.Has anybody seen Boot Hill and enjoyed it?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 02, 2005, 01:03:49 PM
I enjoyed this movie, which I have in the form of the english dubbed Ace High video.

Another Eli Wallach one I have is Long Live Death, co-starring Franco Nero, which is again worth a look.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Banjo on August 03, 2005, 04:45:07 AM
    Hi Marco,i have got the USA video version of Long Live Your Death called Don't Turn The Other Cheek which includes a fun cartoon sequence during the opening credits,of two  bare bottoms  side by side wearing sombreros swaying left and right to the bubblegum theme of DTTOC!!!
Is this the same on the UK version you have?
      I see from your list you have Corbucci's(i think) Samurai aka The White,The Yellow and the Red which also has Wallach starring as well as Tomas Milian and Guliano Gemma.I've seen at available on Ebay from the Usa - is it worth getting hold of?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 03, 2005, 02:18:56 PM
I don't remember that sequence banjo (which I surely would!), so I think my UK video must be edited.

Samurai is a recent purchase, so I haven't seen it yet.  When I asked about it on the SWWB opinion seemed to be pretty divided.  It was one of those love or hate ones I think, mainly because of Milian's samurai character.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on August 08, 2005, 08:18:46 AM
The White,The Yellow and the Red.   :o shudder

A parody of Red Sun.. Instead of a stolen sword its a donkey .ah mean pony.
It hasn't aged well. Thomas Milian's Sakura is on the wrong side of black and white minstrol show. And can provoke  butt-clenching embarrassment for the situation rather than laughter. Relies on too many pony fart jokes (Milian refers to it as 'her majesties sweet perfume')

Actually found Giuliano Gemma over the top kleptomanic charactor better than Eli Wallach (gulible Sheriff) in places. 
Other interesting part is what i think is a stab at post-modernism and spaghetti (low budget) self-parody (better realised in 'What am I doin in the middle of this revolution?") western bandits unconvincingly dressed up as native american indians who have stolen the pony. ;D

Corbucci's last spaghetti. Maybe he got the point this time, and moved on.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 08, 2005, 01:09:33 PM
Ha, looks like that's one to get excited about then  :'(


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Smoker on August 13, 2005, 11:04:31 AM
Just see what you think Marco. Just do one of your reviews, mate.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: KERMIT on August 13, 2005, 06:42:59 PM
i read where clint told eli not to show off when begining GB&U. clint says this director isn't making a western like your used to.

it seems, in ACE HIGH, eli was badly under used. this is very interresting to hear "long live death", eli is somewhat sub-dude.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 14, 2005, 04:09:31 AM
I guess Eli's characters always have a Tuco feel about them, but there is something really likeable about him.

Smoker - Yeah, I'll watch Samurai with an unbiased eye, but sometimes the comedy ones do grate a bit with me (I really like Tomas Milian - one of my favourite of the SW actors - but I found his Charlie Chaplin-esq antics in Life is Tough Right Providence a bit too much, and imagine his Samurai may be similar).  I will write the usual review though once I get around to watching it (I have a backlog that will take me until about February next year  ;D ).


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 14, 2005, 10:02:40 AM
Provvidenza has good (well, at least original) saloon brawls scenes and the Morricone title song which is my current favourite and one of his best ever tunes. It makes the chasing sequence watchable. Samurai has nothing. Most of the jokes are lame in both movies and for the most part can't be effectively  translated for non italian speakers. In Provvidenza there are also two TV shows spoofs  which get lost on non italian viewers.   


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 14, 2005, 11:31:31 AM
I agree that the Providence tune is entertaining.  And there is a great sequence with a pool table (if I remember correctly).


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Banjo on May 28, 2006, 12:30:33 PM
ACE HIGH will be showing on BBC1 on 11/11/04 at 12.20.
Set your videos!

Its on BBC2 tonight at midnight but i guess we're get the same miserable print as before-shouldn't really complain because these sw screenings are a rare event!


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Le Bon on May 28, 2006, 06:00:52 PM
Yes, i expect its the same copy but i will tape it all the same.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: titoli on August 01, 2006, 01:08:18 PM
Seen today after 35 years Ace High (but maybe I had caught it on TV in the '80's). I think it is important only because this is the real inspiration for the Trinity movies. Spencer is in many poiints very much his future self. Plot is forgettable, Wallach is Tuco-like but can't do much. 


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on August 01, 2006, 01:50:50 PM
agreed  ;)


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 01, 2006, 03:37:27 PM
    Hi Marco,i have got the USA video version of Long Live Your Death called Don't Turn The Other Cheek which includes a fun cartoon sequence during the opening credits,of two  bare bottoms  side by side wearing sombreros swaying left and right to the bubblegum theme of DTTOC!!!
 

my copy certainly doesnt have this cartoon intro! :o


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Peacemaker on December 29, 2006, 12:22:53 PM
Just watched this last night as part of my recent spaghetti binge.

I thought it was great. Eli Wallach is fantastic ( as always ) as the Greek/Mexican bandit Cacopoulos. He's pretty much a reincarnation of Tuco, except without the hunger for money. In fact, most of the film is spent showing how he loves to share money with people.

Terence Hill and Bud Spencer are very cool. Brock Peters was good, but his role felt very tacked on. I wish Kevin McCarthy had some more screen time. He was perfect as the main villain, Drake but you first meet him 15 minutes before the movie's over.

* SPOILER *

The finale in the Casino was my favorite part. Most people think it's stupid when Wallach asked for music, but I thought it was cool. It was a nice hommage to the genre.

* SPOILER OVER *

Anyway, great movie. I enjoyed it thoroughly.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Silenzio on December 29, 2006, 03:23:14 PM
Just watched this last night as part of my recent spaghetti binge.

I thought it was great. Eli Wallach is fantastic ( as always ) as the Greek/Mexican bandit Cacopoulos. He's pretty much a reincarnation of Tuco, except without the hunger for money. In fact, most of the film is spent showing how he loves to share money with people.

Terence Hill and Bud Spencer are very cool. Brock Peters was good, but his role felt very tacked on. I wish Kevin McCarthy had some more screen time. He was perfect as the main villain, Drake but you first meet him 15 minutes before the movie's over.

* SPOILER *

The finale in the Casino was my favorite part. Most people think it's stupid when Wallach asked for music, but I thought it was cool. It was a nice hommage to the genre.

* SPOILER OVER *

Anyway, great movie. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

Only saw it once, and that was a few months ago, but I remember this being very average. Eli Wallach is the only thing that makes the film worth watching. And I still don't think it's worth purchasing. I couldn't give you many specifics as to why I didn't like the film (saw it quite some time ago) but I remember my general reaction to it. I remember the first half being very promising and great, but the second half I remember it kind of going down the tubes and losing my interest all together.

The duel was shot very well, but a minute-long duel that's well shot couldn't save this film.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on December 29, 2006, 03:37:44 PM
My problem was that it seemed a waste of Eli Wallach's talent, he wasn't used near enough.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 30, 2006, 12:45:57 AM
My problem was that it seemed a waste of Eli Wallach's talent, he wasn't used near enough.


Huh? Much like Leone,  Colizzi went GA-GA over Wallach. He gives Eli the whole film to clown around in. Hill and Spencer are secondary characters.


Catch Wallach (as Tuco basically) in another (and MUCH better) SW "Long live your death" starring Franco Nero.

This is Wallach's best non-Leone sw. 


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on December 30, 2006, 04:21:23 AM
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Huh?

I couldn't say it any plainer, he was wasted on a dumb story, I was pretty disappointed I wasted $10 and about 2 hrs of time and actually gave that DVD away.  :-[


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Banjo on December 30, 2006, 04:46:29 AM

He gives Eli the whole film to clown around in. Hill and Spencer are secondary characters.
I'd go along with that - its an essential sw for Tuco addicts.Long With Your Death is absolutely top notch and i'm hoping we get a decent print very soon.
    Watched a little bit of Corbucci's White,Yellow and The Black with Wallach as (i think) a grouchy sheriff(and Milian a total embarassment as a looney Samurai warrior) - didn't look very promising but i'll take another look,eventually :-\


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: cigar joe on December 30, 2006, 04:53:51 AM
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Hill and Spencer are secondary characters.

Not in the version I saw Wallach doesn't even show up for 15-20 minutes,  :(


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: columba on December 30, 2006, 06:35:10 AM
Not in the version I saw Wallach doesn't even show up for 15-20 minutes,  :(

Surely you don't want him in EVERY shot?! ;D



Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Peacemaker on December 30, 2006, 07:36:57 AM
Not in the version I saw Wallach doesn't even show up for 15-20 minutes,  :(

You're right, he doesn't show up for 15-20 minutes, but after that he's in every scene left in the movie.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 04:45:24 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

ACE HIGH-Decent oater with a stellar cast. With what is obviously a substantial budget Colizzi had to work with, this film with all the potential for greatness, is bogged down by pacing that drags from time to time. It has its moments though and it's nice to see Terence Hill and Bud Spencer laying the blueprints for the TRINITY films to come a few years later.

and

ACE HIGH- 1968-Guiseppi Collizi’s second film with Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. The first being the classic GOD FORGIVES, I DON’T. This one goes for a more comical approach. Eli Wallach joins the cast here and manages to steal the show away from the usually unbeatable team of Bud and Terence. One of a handful of Italian westerns to have a decent budget, the film drags a bit much in places but is miles away better than the third film in the trilogy, the dreaded BOOT HILL.



Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on July 27, 2008, 06:45:18 PM
 After watching God Forgives, I Don't late last month, I watched Ace High this weekend to continue the trilogy.  It wasn't great, but I'd say it was an above average spaghetti, probably in the 6/10 or 7/10 range.  I can see though why a lot of the previous posters didn't like it.  For a movie that was 2 hours plus, not a lot happens.  The lack of gunplay didn't bother me too much, and the last half hour in the casino was my favorite part.  Even with its faults, the cast made up for it, Hill and Spencer are always very likable even if their dubbing sounded funny.  Speaking of, in MNIN, is that Hill's real voice?

  Overall, I kinda got the sense it was poking fun at the Leone westerns.  The music was Morricone-esque but almost over the top.  And then Wallach's line about dreaming about the showdown that needed music really needled all of the Leone showdowns.  But even then, it seemed to be a good natured ribbing, and the line was funny.

  So I've seen the first two of the Cat Stevens trilogy and liked them, should I check out Boot Hill?  I've seen lots of mixed reviews around, including here.  :)  If so, is there a good DVD or are there only the public domain ones?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on February 15, 2010, 05:40:11 PM
Caught it today and watched after nearly 10 years and have to say it's IMHO the worst in the trilogy. The dialogue is laughable to say at least; as if someone was forced to sit down in a hurry and write something to fill the mouths of all the famous faces they assembled. I don't know, but Wallach doesn't quite do it for me here, he's only like a cheap copy of Tuco, and neither does Hill, who's again too stiff. Bud Spencer made me laugh a couple of times: when Brock Peters (?) yells in his ear down the tube, and when he's half-naked kneeling down and slapping that poor bastard.


5/10


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Novecento on February 16, 2010, 02:53:14 AM
Caught it today and watched after nearly 10 years and have to say it's IMHO the worst in the trilogy.

Curiously, it's actually my favorite in the trilogy. Each to their own I guess...


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on February 16, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
Curiously, it's actually my favorite in the trilogy. Each to their own I guess...

1) Dio perdona... Io no! - (around) 7/10 > I'll have to watch it again to confirm my rating, it's been like 5 years since the last time.

2) La collina degli stivali - 6/10

3) I quattro dell'Ave Maria - 5/10


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Novecento on February 16, 2010, 02:29:07 PM
1) Dio perdona... Io no! - (around) 7/10 > I'll have to watch it again to confirm my rating, it's been like 5 years since the last time.

2) La collina degli stivali - 6/10

3) I quattro dell'Ave Maria - 5/10

That's the precise inverse of my order  ;D

Having said that, I am judging them more on their technical merit than quality as a story. However, I think I'm going to have to watch them all again and possibly revise my rankings.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: The Firecracker on February 16, 2010, 10:16:34 PM
1) Dio perdona... Io no! - (around) 7/10 > I'll have to watch it again to confirm my rating, it's been like 5 years since the last time.

2) La collina degli stivali - 6/10

3) I quattro dell'Ave Maria - 5/10

1) Dio perdona... Io no! 9/10

2) I quattro dell'Ave Maria 6/10

3) La collina degli stivali 2/10 (I really have to give it another shot though, my copy is unwatchable)


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: stanton on February 17, 2010, 02:14:18 AM
Ok, I like Colizzi. Great director. Boot Hill is a visual feast. God Forgives and Ace High are a bit undecided in the middle parts.

Dio perdona... Io no! 8/10

I quattro dell'Ave Maria 8/10

La collina degli stivali 9/10


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on February 17, 2010, 07:19:09 AM
I watched Ace High again last night, and except for two or three good scenes I find it sort of dull. I would not give that movie more than a 6/10 despite Eli Wallach being on it.

I will have to watch again "God forgives, I don't" and "Boot Hill" before making any comments, it has been awhile since I last saw them.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Banjo on February 19, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Ok, I like Colizzi. Great director.

Anybody seen this(again with Hill & Spencer)?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069095/

Similar to his westerns i found it a bit dull to start with but i've seen two slightly different versions(both cut) and it's growing on me.There's has been a German language version showing on youtube including a bank heist scene missing from both my English  versions.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on February 19, 2010, 03:51:03 PM
I saw this in the 70s. The only scene I remember is when they secure with a rope the tail of a small plain to the ground so that the prop can rev up without the plain moving, then Bud Spencer cuts the rope so that the plain with Terence Hill can take off in a very short "runway" by the edge of a cliff (or was it a canyon?). Maybe I will try to find a decent version to watch once I finish watching the many SWs I have outstanding.... ;D


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Dust Devil on February 20, 2010, 01:43:57 PM
Anybody seen this(again with Hill & Spencer)?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069095/

What kind of a question is that? ;)


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: mike siegel on February 21, 2010, 07:34:12 AM
One of the films I'm watching every other year or two. Just love it.
The German version is about 10 minute longer than the 'international' cut.
Although this shorter version has footage which isn't in the German cut.
So there's a nice 'extended version' which runs about 109 minutes.
I never saw it in English though. (none of the Colizzi's). Don't know
how bad the dubbing is.


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Novecento on February 21, 2010, 09:07:36 AM
One of the films I'm watching every other year or two. Just love it.
The German version is about 10 minute longer than the 'international' cut.
Although this shorter version has footage which isn't in the German cut.
So there's a nice 'extended version' which runs about 109 minutes.
I never saw it in English though. (none of the Colizzi's). Don't know
how bad the dubbing is.

Well, neither Eli Wallach nor Brock Peters are dubbed of course which really swings the balance in favor of the English version. I don't remember Hill or Spencer sounding too bad with English dubbing.

Is there a DVD release of the 'extended version' and are the extra scenes significant or just longer takes?


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: stanton on February 22, 2010, 02:42:25 AM
Mike was talking about a Spencer /Hill comedy from 1972 (don't know the English title), not about Ace High.

The differences between the Versions of Ace High are indeed mainly longer takes.

Here are the cuts compared to a even shorter German VHS version. Mostly only seconds. But a lot of them.

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=2439


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: Novecento on February 22, 2010, 03:22:36 AM
Mike was talking about a Spencer /Hill comedy from 1972 (don't know the English title), not about Ace High.

Ah right - thanks for clarifying that.

The differences between the Versions of Ace High are indeed mainly longer takes.

Here are the cuts compared to a even shorter German VHS version. Mostly only seconds. But a lot of them.

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=2439

Great link Stanton, many thanks again  O0


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: emmo26 on April 15, 2013, 01:41:37 PM
It´s Okay......

In the first 20 minutes Eli's seemed to have a sinister voice and seems to be very dark character.

But soon turned into good ole "Tuco" when the film went all slapstick towards the end

There seems to be more chemistry with Eli and Spencer...opposed to Hill and Spencer, he seemed to be like a bit part player.

One of those you can switch your brain off and watch.


Also lookout for Kevin McCarthy, the fella out of the Twilight Zone Movie.



Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: uncknown on October 08, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
One would think that a film with such a good cast would be better that average.
Nope.
Below average.
Way below
bruce marshall


Title: Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968)
Post by: stanton on October 09, 2014, 02:05:14 AM
Really?

I think it is a fine western. Very well directed, but maybe a bit long in the middle. It is clearly inspired by Leone but cooks still his own soup.