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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Final Flashback?
« on: October 19, 2004, 12:34:31 PM »
Wrong! The French version always included the final flash back. I saw it like that on TV. Nothing was cut or censored. I think they cut it because of censorship.

I was referring to the two other scenes mentioned, those of Sean in the desert and Villega's torture. Those two scenes have never been added to the film.  Of course the final flashback has- I have the Italian DVD with it in!  I mentioned this in an earlier post!

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Once Upon A Time In America / Re:NEW DIRECTORS CUT
« on: October 06, 2004, 08:51:09 AM »
First i've heard of it, but it would be a dream come true!

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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Bogdanovich
« on: September 22, 2004, 10:56:20 AM »
In Oreste de Fornari's book 'Sergio Leone, the Great Italian Dream Of America', there is a section where Bogdanovich describes working with Leone which is very amusing. For example  Leone and Bogdanovich would meet for discussions about the story and Leone  

"would begin each new sequence with a rush of English and much acting, all of which he did in the middle of the room accompanied by dramatic gestures. "Two BEEEG green eyes?", he would usually begin, one hand leveled above his eyes, the other below to indicate what we would be seeing on the screen".

According to Bogdanovich, him and Leone fell out when Bogdanovich said he didn't like close-ups! He says he left the film just before Leone was about to fire him. Leone found another Italian  director [not named] to take Bogdanovich's place, but after two weeks Steiger and Coburn demanded that Leone direct it himself.


God knows what the film would have been like directed by Bogdanovich, has anyone here actually seen any of his films?
 

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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Sean or John?
« on: September 22, 2004, 03:55:05 AM »
The full version of the final flashback is about 3 1/2 mins., although one of the older versions of the film reduced it to about 30 secs.

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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Sean or John?
« on: September 16, 2004, 10:35:08 AM »
MGM special edition! Hurray! I've bought this movie twice already on DVD [UK and Italian versions], and, well, I'm looking forward to buying it again. Seriously, it's good that at last it's being done properly. Finally I will be able to watch it all on one disc without having to change from the UK to the Italian DVD near the end to get the final flashback!

I doubt that Leone ever gave Sean's friend or girlfriend names, after all it's not really important. Maybe we should just call his friend 'David'.

I once read [can't remember where] that Sean's friend was actually his BROTHER! That makes the whole menage a trois thing very wierd!


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General Discussion / Re:LEONE SCENE YOU DISLIKE.
« on: August 26, 2004, 10:42:07 AM »
It would have to be the rape in DYS. I think what I dislike so much about it is that it is done in a comic way. I adore the film, but could have done without that one scene. One wonders if some of Juan's 'ninos' were the product of other rapes.

I don't object to the rape in OUATIA, although it's very nasty, but a rape should be.


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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Final Flashback?
« on: August 26, 2004, 10:38:32 AM »
The two scenes mentioned have never yet been added to the film. They are mentioned in a book about Sergio Leone ,so they do exist, but as far as I know the Italian and Korean DVDs are the longest versions available.

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Duck, You Sucker / Re:How long is the longest version?
« on: August 26, 2004, 10:34:11 AM »
There are actually two versions of the flashback, the short 30 sec. version which was in the 138 [130 mins PAL] , and the almost 4 min. version in the recent Italian restoration, which runs 154 min [147 mins PAL].

The longer version of the flashback makes it clear that Sean ,his friend, and the girl had some kind of menage a trois, you can't really tell in the short version.

As far as I know there has never been a version longer than 154 mins.

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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Irish Locations
« on: August 26, 2004, 10:28:50 AM »
Terrific pictures, maybe one day I'll be able to visit that pub!

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Duck, You Sucker / Re:Final Flashback?
« on: June 09, 2004, 11:46:12 AM »
As fas as i know there are three available versions of the film

the full Italian version,153 mins[Pal]which has the full flashback but is only available on Italian DVD dubbed into Italian

the 149 min version,which removes the flashback and Juan's line. This is the version recently released on DVD in the UK. Apparently this was the version that was originally released in Italy,according to what I have read,the censors made Leone cut the flashback because it suggested a menage a trois!  The full,153 min version only came out years later.

the 132 min version which was the heavily cut version released in UK and US cinemas,and was until fairly recently the only one available in the UK and the US. Despite having lots of bits cut,it did retain about 30 seconds of the final flashback which runs nearly 4 mins in the full 153 min version,plus it also had Juan's line. Funny that this butchered version contained a portion of a scene that had been originally cut from the longer version.

I agree that the film with the flashback and "what about me",is so much better.Maybe one day a DVD will come out in English with those bits in.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Favorite scenes in GBU
« on: June 09, 2004, 10:58:08 AM »
Ectsacy of Gold and final showdown are of course the best in my opinion,the final showdown reamains in my opinion the most suspenseful gun duel ever filmed.But I also like

Tuco buying the gun,you know the shopkeeper could be hot by Tuco any minute andthat he is terrified off him,but I think still think it's a funny scene

"Idiots,it's for you",my favourite of Clint's many great lines in the film

Not a pleasent scene,but the Tuco beating intercut with the soldier's singing and playing,such a powerful,poignant sequence,people are wrong when they say there is no human emotion in these films,the bit with the young soldier being told to play with "more feeling" is so moving

The list of Tuco's crimes being read out,especially when Tuco snarles at a woman's reaction,cheap,vulgar humour but it works.

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For a Few Dollars More / Re:opening scence question
« on: June 09, 2004, 10:44:39 AM »
I've always assumed that it was the Man with No Name [or three names,if you like] too.The opening was,I think,there to bring back instant memories of the action on FOD.

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A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Alternate opening
« on: June 09, 2004, 10:35:46 AM »
Yeah,I'd love to see this.Maybe,with the special edition of GBU now out,they might do one of FOD and have this scene as an extra.

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A Fistful of Dollars / Re:A Fistful of Dollars longer Italian cut?
« on: June 09, 2004, 10:32:28 AM »
I've always assumed that the version currently available was the full one,or atleast the one available in the UK,but I'm really curious about this DVD you mention.I think for three extra mins,it's worth getting.However,maybe the running time for the new DVD includes the trailer [this happened with the UK Fistful Of Dynamite DVD,which was actually three mins shorter than initially announced and was not the full version I hoped for].

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:GBU Special Edition DVD Review
« on: April 30, 2004, 12:41:19 PM »
Well,just seen it ,quality generally excellent and it's great to have the extra scenes,but I agree with others in that the voice differences are jarring.I don't know how else they could have done it,though.

Out of the extras I've seen,the reconstruction of the lost 'Socorro sequence' is interesting,and the extended Tuco torture scene is great-it's a shame that this  could not be put into the film,as the scene flows much better,and it's not much more violence,mainly the soldiers playing,and it's more poignant,I think.

Don't know if I'll bother with the commentary-I listened to Schickel's one on OUATIA,and I didn't learn a single new thing about the film'with Schickel often reduced to merely telling you what was happening.

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