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Other Films / Shane (1953)
« on: August 06, 2003, 10:37:10 AM »
Non-spag topic, but I thought it was interesting.

I've noticed that there is a fairly heated controversy regarding the ending of Shane (apparently fueled by comments made by Samuel L. Jackson's character in the film The Negotiator) and was wondering what some of you thought.

Shane was wounded (I thought in the arm) during the final showdown. After he departs, leaving that irritating little kid in the distance, some people think that he dies there on the horse. I had never considered that, so I watched the ending a few more times. He seems pretty alive to me, and does not slump the way some of the death advocates have maintained.

He rides past a graveyard, which could have some metaphorical significance, but the problem is that he's clearly steering the horse around. He's also fairly upright in the saddle from what I can see. Of course, so was the Mexican corpse at the beginning of FFOD. I didn't see anyone run in and prop Shane up with a stick though.

I think that it's meant to be left open as to whether he lives or dies, but some say he's obviously kicked the bucket on screen. According to some comments on other boards, the book is not clear on his fate either.

Just wondering what some of you folks see.

That's the point I was trying to make, whatever the semantics.

Trivia Games / Re:The Quote Game
« on: August 05, 2003, 10:06:53 AM »
"How's your digestion now?"

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Cheyenne the half-breed
« on: August 04, 2003, 10:03:04 PM »
I'm kinda wondering if it wasn't a misprint and Bronson was the one actually being refered to - a half-breed Indian.

Agreed. The railroad and Jill represent the new west, while Cheyenne and Harmonica represent the old west. The train enters from the left, and they depart to the right as if being pushed aside in the name of progress. Fantastic closing shot, except for the superimposed "Once Upon A Time In The West" title that meanders across the screen - it's unnecessary and distracts from the camerawork, IMO.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Favorite moment
« on: August 02, 2003, 08:45:41 PM »
Joe emerging from the cloud of dust before the showdown w/Ramon. The hostage exchange scene is pretty good too.

Trivia Games / Re:Urgent help needed
« on: August 02, 2003, 08:42:58 PM »
Well it appears to be Monument Valley - part of the same location & sequence where Jill is being taken to the McBain ranch.  Is that where it is in your version? Does it take place before or after they stop off at the roadhouse?

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:the bridge
« on: July 21, 2003, 12:47:49 PM »
Seems that I had heard that also about having to reshoot the bridge scene - I think it might have been in mentioned in Frayling's Something To Do With Death.

They used a ridiculous amount of explosives to destroy the bridge - the debris landing all around Eastwood and Wallach in the scene is authentic. There's no way it would be done the same way today.

That's interesting about the mirror signal - I'm anxious to look at the DVD again and check it out. Thanks

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:GB&U deleted scenes from DVD
« on: July 10, 2003, 10:30:27 AM »
Thanks. Yeah I went and researched the extended version yesterday and found out about the AMC project. I didn't see it at the time - figured they were just showing the 162min version commercial free and had no idea they had done all the work inserting and redubbing the extra scenes.

It's a shame it isn't available as a DVD release, but now that it's done, I bet we see it come out at some point in the future. Great article about it here:

By the way, great idea to roll it out  for the kids on the 4th. Gotta learn 'em while they're young.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:GB&U deleted scenes from DVD
« on: July 09, 2003, 07:33:53 AM »
In the version you're talking about, is the scene actually placed in the correct context of the film, or is it part of the "extras" in Italian w/ the English subtitles? I was not aware that anything longer than the 162 minute DVD release (6/2001) was available. If MGM has updated it again with these scenes inserted, I gots to get my hands on it.

I think that the scene w/ Sentenza is the most significant of those cuts, because it fills a slight hole in the plot (how he happened to wind up at the concentration camp), but it also shows him as being more "human", as he is clearly affected by the casualties at the fort. His interaction with the rebel commander reflects Blondie's exchange with the union officer towards the end of the film (complete with alcohol) and like Kermit said, implies that the two may have a common perspective when it comes to the war.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re:Favourite villain
« on: July 08, 2003, 02:34:30 PM »
Obviously I have an affinity for Indio. I think he's a more complex character than a lot of the one-dimensional spag villains. A combination of insanity, depravity, sentimentality, uncommon intelligence and pure evil - "Ramon" with emotional baggage and a few additional screws loose.

Van Cleef is the definitive spaghetti actor, but Volonte might be the greatest spaghetti actor. His portrayal of Chuncho in Quien Sabe is probably his best work in the genre, but his Indio runs a close second, IMO.

That said, Angel Eyes is one bad mother.

Billy Madison.

Sorry, I can't help it.

"Shampoo is better! I go on first and clean the hair!"

Other Films / Re:Favourite non-Leone Spaghetti Westerns?
« on: July 08, 2003, 12:26:03 PM »
Bullet for the General/Quien Sabe (perhaps Volonte's best role in a western)
The Great Silence (unorthodox, Kinski's best)
Django, Kill! (all time weirdest spaghetti)
Death Rides A Horse/Da uomo a uomo (might be Morricone's best score)
They call me Trinity

I would have liked to have seen his interpretation of The Godfather (4+ hours for certain), but there's no way it could have been any better.

I have read that Leone really wanted to do a remake of Gone With The Wind. I cannot fathom how that would've turned out.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Al Mulock
« on: July 08, 2003, 11:52:09 AM »
In one of the excellent interviews elsewhere on this site there is some more info about this:

Apparently OUTIW dialogue writer Mickey Knox saw Mulock fly past his window in full costume. When they got to the street, Leone was wanting to get the costume off Mulock so they wouldn't lose it. Amazing. Kinda reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where the railroad bosses pull the handcart out of the quicksand and leave the two workers to fend for themselves.

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