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Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 12, 2004, 12:22:15 PM »
Guys Guys Guys

Lets not get into fisticuffs here.  Im merely making the point that Colin Farrell is a talented actor. He is a  victim of his own success because he is judged good looking so Hollywood comes calling for a new leading man.

My point was that Sergio was good at recognising talent and would have liked Colin Farrell-the same way he liked Michael Masden before Reservoir Dogs and Mickey Rourke after Angel Heart and 9 1/2 Weeks.

He worked with a variety of good actors at all stages in their career.

Whether he would have actually worked with colin Farrell or not we will never know.

We all know Oscars are tainted and the movies are mostly about money, but we still love them and the Oscars do often point out good films and actors - irrespective of who wins.

This is a bit of fun!  Imagining who could fill the roles of the characters we love in a film we love if Sergio did it today.  If you've got better ideas - I'm all ears and can't wait to hear them!

So back to the start-who would you choose?

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 12, 2004, 01:42:43 AM »
i'd have to once agian agree with belkin... i can't think of anyone that had ever worked with leone that even resembled the career or look/feel that colin farrell has.
R U serious?  What about Eastwood-the guy was an up and coming 33 year old when he first worked with Leone?

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 12, 2004, 01:35:32 AM »
Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 04:01:59am »  Reply with quote  

QUOTE FROM BIG MAN: Sorry  Farrell is the young talented type of actor that Leone would have loved to work with if he had still been alive.

And this is based on what? I don't remember too many teen-idols appearing in LEONES westerns!
First off Farrell is 28 not exactly a teen is he?Secondly I never mentioned anything about teen idols appearing in Leone Westerns!
Back in the 80's Leone had been planning to work with Mickey Rourke and Michael Madsen-both young talented actors in there 20's!

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 12, 2004, 01:12:27 AM »
Come on guys its always been common knowledge that the Oscars are unfair-no great revelation. Why dont you contact AMPAS if you feel so strongly? Regards the buzz on Alexander-I was only sharing with you what I knew. Warner Bros have sold off Scorsese's The Aviator to Miramax in order to concentrate on Farrell's film! They obviously think they are sitting on something special!

Anyhoo can we get back to casting the reimagining of OUATIA? Thats the subject-not Oscar.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 10, 2004, 02:57:48 PM »
Ha Ha-very good.

Like I would be surfing Sergio Leone when I could be on Sunset Boulevard-cruising for chicks!

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 10, 2004, 04:01:59 AM »
Its Farrell not Ferrell-just be carefull you dont end up going to see Anchorman!

So you stay clear of Farrell films-Oh Dear!  Then you wont be going to see Terence Malick's The New World or Oliver Stone's Alexander or Robert Towne's Ask The Dust or you didnt see Spielberg's Minority Report or his brilliant performaces in Tigerland and Phone Booth. What films do you see?  Phone Booth was a courageous choice considering actors like Jim Carrey, Will Smith and Mel Gibson all turned it down-maybe they were scared they would be unable to carry a film for two hours in a Phone Booth!

Sure Farrell has done some junk like SWAT, Daredevil and the Recruit (all No.I US Box Office) but only to get some sort of foothold in the film industry in order to work with better people-as mentioned earlier.

Sorry  Farrell is the young talented type of actor that Leone would have loved to work with if he had still been alive.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 10, 2004, 03:35:41 AM »
Pacino for Scent Of A Woman-when you could have had Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon and the Godfather films. I agree. It was a career award.

Washington. I assume you mean not winning for The Hurricane (brilliant)  However he lost to Spacey for American Beauty an equally brilliant but very different performance.  Sorry I would have found it very difficult to seperate them.  The year however he lost for Malcolm X was wrong-but it didnt help that his was a great performance in a mediocre film. Sorry I dont think that Malcolm X is one of Spike Lee's best films.

Regards Hurricane-In the end I think what swung it was the fact that American Beauty connected with an mainstream audience.  There was a backlash against The Hurricane after it was discovered that Carter the Washington character wasnt as squeaky clean as portrayed!  He had been convicted for three muggings prior to his murder trial.

When Washington won for Training Day I think it was deserved-his was the best performance of the year.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 07, 2004, 06:28:55 PM »
Lets not confuse Crowe the actor with Crowe the real life Ass Bag!  The man is a brilliant actor-with the best on screen presence since De Niro. Forget about the hype of Gladiator-his performance in LA Confidential was a standout- in a brilliant cast/film.  The man has talent in abundance and would embrace the Noodles role-especially the older Noodles.  Adrian Brody-im not sure, The Pianist (very promising) but the Village performace was very poor-lacks charisma. You could also consider Jim Caviezell- also very mournful.

Check out Steve Buscemi in gangster film Billy Bathgate-he looks a lot like Max-but Ed Norton would be great-did you see him in American History X? Brilliant.

Jared Leto, Ben Affleck, Christian Bale-Im sure anyone of these pretty boy actors could play Patsy-It really was a nothing role.

Kiefer would be too busy on 24 to play Cockeye-Im sure Jack Black could stretch himself dramatically.

Andy Garcia as Aiello-no way.  Aiello needs to be a big guy-if not Galdofini what about Nick Nolte or Brian Dennehy?

Sharon Stone would be great as Carol or you could have Angelina Jolie.

Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Fat Moe-great choice.

What about Eve-Rene Zelwegger?

Re Colin Farrell-check out Phone Booth-the man can act. Also lots of Oscar buzz on Alexander.


Once Upon A Time In America / Remaking (Sorry Reimagining) OUATIA
« on: October 07, 2004, 07:27:19 AM »
Ok guys and girls-how about a bit of fun.  Lets all pretend that were casting directors. New cast required for the reimagining of OUATIA-God forbid!

Noodles:Russell Crowe
Deborah:Catherine Zeta Jones or Jennifer Connelly (Ha)!
Max:Steve Buschemi (looks a bit like Woods)
Cockeye:Jack Black (could also play Moe)
Patsy:Ben Affleck
Jimmy O'Donnell:Colin Farrell
Police chief Aiello:James Galdofini

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:FRANK GIO AS BEEFY
« on: October 07, 2004, 12:51:46 AM »
To clarify Brega is the thug in the opium den who lifts the hat off the young man that is sleeping-yes?

If so- he is in one of the opening sequences. When Moe is beaten up he is the same thug leaning against the table.

A simple thanks would suffice for spotting this earlier in my posting-when everyone else was saying that Brega was the Gio character-even Frayling in his bible was wrong.

Now that this particular mystery has been cleared up maybe we could move on now before it starts becoming tedious.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:NEW DIRECTORS CUT
« on: October 06, 2004, 12:48:59 PM »
I happen to think its a bloody brilliant idea.
When scenes from a film end up on the cutting room floor its usually for pacing or rating reasons- for scenes of sex and violence.  This wasnt the case with OUATIA , Leone reluctantly excised between forty five and fifty minutes of what he called 'significant material' from the film once he realised there was no chance of a two part film!

All the scenes of Louise Fletcher as the director of the Riverdale Cemtery, how Noodles came to meet Eve, Senator Bailey and the elderly Jimmy O'Donnell, Noodles watching Deborah on stage and at the station cafe, Max and Noodles casing the Federal Reserve Bank, the elderly Carol and Noodles at the rest home, a black car tailing the elderly Noodles, young Noodles quarreling with his parents, Elderly Noodles in the office of a synagogue, God im getting goose pimples just thinking about these extra scenes.

Think about it Gramps we can have the best of both worlds, we will always have the 229 minutes (recently restored) Euro/dvd version that we all love so much.  And then we would have Sergio's cut.  Dont get me wrong Directors cuts can sometimes be too much of a good thing. I prefer the original cuts of Amadeus and Donnie Darko to the newly restored directors cuts.  So even if OUATIA DC  turned out to be one big let down (somehow I dont think this would be possible with  Leone ) at least we would all get the chance to make up our own minds. I happen to think it would make it a richer experience.
The print would have to be remastered, the actors would have to redub there lines, Morricone would need to be available for the musical cues, Nino Baragli or one of his assistant editors would need to be on hand to advise where Sergio wanted the cuts-especially when were dealing with flashbacks.  Expensive-yes. Difficult but not impossible.

Hell I would even like to get my hands on the infamous 147min US release, only to see what a pigs ear the Ladd Co made of it. So If any of my cousins across the pond have a spare vhs copy-let me know?

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:james woods comment
« on: October 06, 2004, 06:27:52 AM »
The Police Academy editor was hired by the head of the Ladd Co (thru Warner Bros) Alan ladd Jnr (Shanes Son) to cut the film.  The Ladd Co were the main financial backers of OUATIA and had a contract with Leone that the film would run no longer than 165mins in the US/Canada.  Leone's cut ran at over 220 minutes, therefore forfeiting final cut in the US for his film. The Right Stuff another Ladd Company epic which had opened a year earlier at a running time of over three hours had been a  box office disaster for Ladd.  After a disastrous test screening in Boston of OUATIA in early 84 (the audience were confused by the flashbacks)! The Ladd Co got nervous-sensing another box office flop plus they were also begining to feel resistance by Cinema exhibitors in the US to a film of such a length. In the end the film was edited down to 147mins (minus flashbacks). It opened in the US in June 1984 to terrible reviews and poor box office takings.  The Irony is that the full uncut version of OUATIA made a profit for most of its distributors around the world. Leone took OUATIA producer Arnon Milchan and the Ladd Co to court in France (where the contracts were signed) for breach of contract. He lost.  The Ladd Co folded in 1984. Alan Ladd jnr went on to run MGM/UA before going on to win the Best Picture Oscar as producer for Braveheart. He is regarded as one of the most respected executives in Hollywood and is credited for geenlighting Star Wars back in the 70's while at Fox!
Looking back producer Arnon Milchan reflected "I wish that I had been older and more experienced. Today I would know how to defend a long movie. I would have gone to war. But at the time, everybody got nervous and butchered it". A year after OUATIA Milchan did have to go to war with a studio for another De Niro epic-Brazil. Universal studios were blockiing the US release of the film. Milchan won and the film was released.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:FRANK GIO AS BEEFY
« on: October 05, 2004, 12:02:01 PM »
Yeah, the smug-looking, smiling guy at the opium den at the beginning, when the thugs are looking for Noodles - that's Brega (Mandy).
Thank Cusser

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:FRANK GIO AS BEEFY
« on: October 05, 2004, 11:50:24 AM »
to tell you the honest truth... after looking at some pictures of both brega and gio... i don't see how you could tell either apart... neither has any discernable facial characteristics that could confirm or deny their participation in the movie.

I'm sticking with my theory that brega was in a scene that was cut out even from the directors cut... if you remember leone had 6 hours of footage he really wanted in the movie and that was even after he cut it down from the 10 hours of usable stuff he had.
Has anyone managed to have a look at Analyze That yet? Come on someone must own it? I know its a painful experiece-just skip to the end and you will see Gio. He has a distinctive NY gravely voice. If I can have this confirmed by another post that this is the same big guy that is the leader of the thugs at the start of OUATIA-we can then move on and try to figure out which character in the film is  played by Brega.  Grandpa_Chum-sorry when did state that you thought Brega was cut-I thought you were the one that confirmed Brega was the main hood? Also I think Brega is in the finished movie (even if only for one scene) I reckon if he was cut out entirely then he wouldnt have got a credit!  Louise Fletcher was totally cut out of the film-she didnt get a credit.  I think there would be some sort of SAG rule for this scenario.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:FRANK GIO AS BEEFY
« on: October 04, 2004, 04:19:11 PM »
OATIA too long?  Bah, Clint's a philistine.

Hello Big Man.  I think everyone assumed the thug at the beginning is Brega without a beard - because, hey, why not?  Big + Sadist = Brega.

But riddle me this Riddler - if Frank Gio is the thug at the beginning, where's Brega?  He's got a prominent credit in the film and he's pretty tough to hide.
OK I think he may be one of the other thugs at the begining of the film.  In the opening scene when Eve is killed there are three thugs-Thug one (Guy who kills Eve) Thug two (Big Guy who breaks Noodles photo) I reckon this guy is Frank Gio credited as Beefy and thug three (guy with moustache who is told to wait in case Noodles shows up). The other two thugs leave.  Ok in the next scene when Fat Moe is beaten up these two thugs are again present, but bizarrely so is a new thug-leaning against a table, smoking and looking smug.  I think this may possibly be Brega-and that this scene was possibly trimmed at the introduction to him, Brega would have been about 60 when OUATIA was filmed).  This thug is also prominent again in the Chinese Theatre.  I dont think being high in the cast list makes much difference GENERAL- I think this is more Leone looking after an old friend!  Look how far down the cast list some of the young (less known) more prominent actors were listed!
Fraylings book lists Brega as Mandy the heaviest leader of Eve's killers-but I think the Prof is wrong.

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