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Once Upon A Time In The West / Commentary track (Cox, Carpenter, Frayling)
« on: December 24, 2007, 03:49:55 AM »
When I watched the “commentary track“ I was wery surprised whit the ignorance and lack of ability to observe the obvious things that some “film workers“ and “experts“ show to us through their comments.

I can`t believe that Alex Cox was confused about Morton – Frank and Frank – Jill cave scene (about this we allready talked in some other thread). In the „buchered“ version that scene is very short so I could understand that someone could be confused about it (expecially when watching the film for the first time), but in “full“ version that scene is few minutes long and it is obvious that the bed don`t have curtains and lace decorations and that the bad is hanging from the ceiling. Beside that, Morton says:“I know the woman is HERE“, and Bronson and Robards at Sweet water start to build the station and Robards says:“I know that it wouldn`t be much, but it`s going to be the first thing that she is going to se when she gets back“, and Bronson adds:“If she gets back“. So there is no confusion.

Then I couldn`t believe what John Carpenter said. He was commenting the scene in saloon in which Frank trys to buy the land from Harmonica for $ 5.001. Carpenter was watching the scene and in the moment when Frank was puting the money in his pocket, he said:“I don`t remember that we had blue money in this country“. BLUE MONEY!!!??? What`s wrong with him? It`s obvious that the money is green and if he couldn`t see it in that scene, he could see it in the scene of poker game in the train, when Morton starts to deal 100 dollar bills instead of cards. We clearly see not just that the money is green but that there is a Lincoln picture on it. So I simply couldn`t understand what those two were watching. I mean, they aren`t some “common“ viewers. They are professionals. Directors… How can they make such mistakes and how can`t they see the obvious?

Even Sir Cristopher Fayling make one mistake. When Bronson turns in Robards to the sheriff at the auction, Frayling said “that we don`t know if the Harmonica capture him, or they working together, or something else…“ How can he say that we don`t know that? Of course that we know. Think about it a little bit. They both are against Frank, they both want to protect Jill, Robards even (practically) saved the Bronson`s life when he rescue him from the train where he was captured by the Frank and his man. Then, they together plans and starts to build the station… etc. All of that was before the auction scene. So it is obvious that they work together. Trying to stop Frank from buying McBains farm and stoping Jill from leaving the Sweet water. So what is there to be confused about. I mean, Frayling himself said that Leone wanted to leave audience to think a little bit…

So “experts“ should think a little bit about the scenes that they are watching and about the things that they are saying.

I was angry about the autor of the "commentary track" (I forgot his name) because I couldn`t understand how could he and why did he leave that commentaryes whit so much errors and recorded it to the disc. I mean, this isn`t the edition for someone who watch Leone for the first time. This is for collectors, for Leone`s fans, so he/they should know that we will notice this mistakes. Practically, their stupid comments ruined my good mood for watching it (no offence to anyone).

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Once Upon A Time In The West / Duration problem - very important!
« on: December 24, 2007, 02:20:06 AM »
I am very disappointed and I want to finally clear this mess which annoyes me very much. I hope that you can help me to do that.

This is the problem.

I have the VHS copy of this film for many years (which I recorded when this movie was on TV), but I FINALLY find (because you simply couldn`t find it in my country) and bought the 2 disc special edition of this film. I can`t described how happy I was. But, then it happend. On the cover of the DVD`s is writen that the movie duration is 159 min. When I check this out on the Internet, I find in many places that this version is collectors edition and that is “ORIGINAL FULL VERSION“.

So I thought: there is 3 versions that I know off:
   1. Shortened version that was originally released in America;
   2. Then there is another shortened version but not cut out as much as the American release (this version is about 15 minutes longer then American release - that is the version that I have on VHS);
   3. And the full 159 min. version.

But, then I looked up in some books and in Microsoft Cinemania and there you have another information – FULL LENGHT OF THE MOVIE IS 165 MIN.!

I was furious… At the first I thought that this 6 minutes diference could be the scene in which sheriff`s men beating Bronson and scene in which Fonda gets shaved, but it is not logically, because that scenes were cut out by Leone himself, so it is not possible that they count them as part of the full version. So it must be something else. I wanted to check this out so I started to watch the VHS and DVD version in the same time to compare them and I could`t believe what I saw. At the begining of the film, when Ellam, Strode and Muloch waiting Bronson there is a difference. In allegedly full version of the movie on the DVD, there is TWO cuts of the Muloch when he “cracking“ his fingers, but in the shorter VHS version there is THREE cuts of Muloch doing that. So it`s thurned out that in shorter version THERE IS a scene that DON`T EXIST in "allegedly" collectors edition full version!!!

You may check this for yourself. Surely many of you have that 2 disc collectors edition so look it up. There is the shot of Muloch when he starts to "crack" his fingers (he was shot from the front), then after we saw Strode and Ellam, there is second shot of Muloch "cracking" his fingers (again, from the front), then again that is followed by shots of Strode and Ellam and then we comes to the shot that misses in "full" version - shot of Muloch "cracking" his fingers (for the THIRD time) but now he is not shot from the front but we see his hands and fingers from the above (like the camera is his own eyes). It is like some sort of "close up" on his hands and fingers shot from the above (abreast of his head). After that there is a shot of Strode drinking the water from his hat, shot of Ellam releases the fly from the barrel of his gun and then the fourth shot of Muloch in which he turns off and we see the incoming train. So the whole one shot (THE THIRD SHOT) of Muloch (which is included in the shortened version that I possess) misses in the "full" version!

Like I allready said I was furios and I stop compareing the two versions because I was “affraid“ that I would find something else that exist in shorter but not in "full" version.

So I ask for your help my friends. Does anyone knows anything about this, or, better say, does anyone knows the exact and accurate duration of this film? To clear this once and for all! Thank you all in advance.

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Once Upon A Time In America / "Modern talking"
« on: December 17, 2007, 05:41:52 AM »
Recently, after many years, I watched on VH1 the video for "Modern talking`s" song "Brother Louie" (year was 1986.) and I was very surprised. I didn`t remembered that the whole video is "covered" with the scenes from OUATIA. Does anyone knows why is that? As I know, this "song" and this "band" has no conecction with Sergio or this film. Further more, film was released in 1984. and this song in 1986. So, I ask again, does anyone knows anything about this?

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General Discussion / Henry Fonda
« on: August 16, 2007, 10:47:17 AM »
A few days ago my friend told me that he somewhere read some interview with Henry Fonda in which Fonda said that he never in his entire career worked with better director than Sergio Leone! Does anyone of you know something about this Fonda statement? Did he really said this or...?

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / What`s with the fly?
« on: August 01, 2007, 02:34:46 AM »
Of course, Leone “used“ the fly in the scene with Jack Elam at the begining of the OUATIW, but what`s the story with fly in this movie?

I don`t know how many of you noticed that, but in GBU fly was “acting“ in several scenes, very important ones. Just to remind you:

1. In the scene when Tuco enters the coach in which are dead soldiers and Bill Carson stil alive – there was a fly;
2. After that, in the scene when Tuco trying to make Blondie tell him about the grave – there was a fly (on Tuco`s face);
3. After that, in the scene in monastery, when Blondie lying on the bed – there was a fly (“walking“ on the Blondie`s mouth and face);
4. After that, in the scene in the prison camp, when Angel Eyes (now as Union officer) talks with sick captain who is lying on the bed, on his pillow (the whole time of their conversation) – there was a fly...

I hope that I didn`t forgot some other scenes...

Anyway, what do you think that is the fly`s “role“? Why is the fly always around? Does maybe Leone uses the fly as some kind of “simbol of deth“, because fly is always around someone that suffers or dieing:

in the 1. scene, all of the soldiers are dead (except Bill, who is practically half-dead, and who dies later);
in the 2. scene, Blondie practically dieing while the fly is on Tuco`s face (Tuco doesn`t even notice it at first, because he only wants to hear the name of the grave from Blondie);
in the 3. scene, Blondie is in same condition as in previous scene, with that difference that the fly is now on his face;
in the 4. scene, Union captain is dieing because of his sick leg.

So, is the fly some kind of metaphor for dieing and death, or just a Leone`s artistic “touch“, or something else...?

Sorry for this very long question,  :)   but I wanted to explain what I mean, so you could gave me your opinions about this.

Well, what do you think?

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Angel Eyes as an Union sargeant?
« on: August 01, 2007, 02:24:36 AM »
On the other threads we talk about how do they all meet, from where do they know each other... etc., but I was always confused about this: how does the Angel Eyes become an Union sargeant? And not just that, he manage to “transform“ members of his own gang into the soldiers (cpl. Wallace). It wasn`t explained at all. Is this because of some missing scenes, or studio`s “touch“, or Leone just intentionly does that without explaination...?

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General Discussion / Leone and the race scene
« on: July 30, 2007, 03:55:21 AM »
We all know that Leone, at the begining of his career, was 2nd-unit director in many films and I know for a long time that he was 2nd-unit director to William Whyler for Ben Hur, but I just recently read somewhere that he was in charge of making (and that, in fact,  he direct it!) the famous race scene (hardly just a scene because it lasts for more then 10 min.). Do you know something about that?

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General Discussion / Supporting roles (episode roles)
« on: July 30, 2007, 03:50:51 AM »
In Leone`s films, as we all know of course, “the small roles“ are very important, so what do you think who played the best small (episode) role of them all (I maked the list from which you can choose):

FOD:        Margarita Lozano – Consuelo Baxter
               Joseph Egger – Piripero
               Jose Calvo – Silvanito

FAFDM:    Klaus Kinski – Wild (the hunchback)
               Dante Maggio – Indi`s cell mate
               Mario Brega – Nino

GBU:        Aldo Giuffre – Alcoholic Union captain
               Enzo Petito – storekeeper
               Mario Brega – cpl. Wallace
               Al Mulloch – One-armed man

OUATIW: Gabriele Ferzetti – Morton
               Paolo Stopa – Sam
               Lionel Stander – Barman
               Jack Elam – Snaky
               Woody Strode – Stony
               Lorenzo Robeldo – member of Cheyenne`s gang
               Frank Wolff – Brett McBain

DYS:        Romolo Valli – Dr. Villega
               Maria Monti – Adelita, woman in stagecoach
               Antoine Saint-John – col. Gunther Reza

OUATIA:  Danny Aiello – police chief Vincent Aiello
              Larry Rapp - “Fat“ Moe Gelly
              Tuesday Weld – Carol
              Amy Ryder – Peggy
              Joe Pesci – Frankie Minaldi
              Burt Young – Joe

I know that some roles that I listed are not “very small“ (like Ferzetti`s Morton or Valli`s Dr. Villega), but nevertheless I put them on the list.
If you can`t choose, maybe it`s easyer to pick one role from every film separately.

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Once Upon A Time In The West / The scene at the train station
« on: July 26, 2007, 05:10:12 AM »
In the scene in which Harmonica kills three man at the train station, do you think that he holds his gun outside the holster before duel? If you look at that scene (moment when the camera shows him from behind, and Elam... in the backround, right in the moment when he starts to shoot) it didn`t seam like he draw his gun from the holster, but it`s seams like he holds his gun beside his bag, and when he drops the bag, his gun and hand was instantly free to shoot. Just like he was prepared in advance for a duel, and in that way saves himself a little time so he could be even more quicker. Of course there is no such "prepareing scene" in the film. Maybe it`s just seams to me that way, but what do you think?

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Ennio Morricone / Morricone`s score
« on: July 25, 2007, 05:06:38 AM »
In which of the Leone`s films, by your opinion, Morricone did the best music score, and what about it did you like the most?

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General Discussion / OUATIA and The Godfather
« on: July 25, 2007, 04:09:44 AM »
If Leone make OUATIA when he was planning (at the end of 60`s) and not in 1984., would The Godfather (great film - no doubt) become such classic and achieve such an impact and have that kind of influence on movie history, as it aventually did? What do you think?

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General Discussion / The gun
« on: December 14, 2006, 10:48:51 AM »
May be that I'm wrong (please correct me if I am), but I think that in the scene of GBU when Tuco takes a bath, thats the first time in movies history that someone holds the gun turned on the side and than shoots.

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