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General Discussion / Box office of Leone
« on: January 12, 2023, 07:49:03 AM »
Here's a thread for all the box office data for the Leone films which are available.

I start with Italy.

I created many years ago a list of the most successful SWs.
For that I had transferred the available box-office data with the aid of average ticket prices into admission numbers, the only accurate way to compare films which were released in different years. Especially as in Italy the inflation was rather galopping in these years.

The estimated admissions (in thousands and Lira in millions) of Leone's westerns:

Title                                          Admissions      Lira

Per qualche dollaro in piu      *   14.672   *   3.492
Per un pugno di Dollari          *  14.269   *   3.182
Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo    *   12.071   *   3.211
C' era una volta il West          *   8.077   *   2.504
Il mio nome e Nessuno           *   8.008   *   3.620
Giu la testa                             *   6.224   *   2.465

Sergio Leone News / A kind of Leone parody?
« on: December 06, 2022, 02:04:41 AM »
I found something odd in the net:

At first glimpse it looks like just another website, which offers things you already got a dozen times, but a closer look reveals lots of utter nonsense. It looks serious on the surface, but it is full of freely invented "facts". and there are dozens others of these fake portraits, like of Fassbinder, Peckinpah or Innaritu. It reminds me of Thomas Weisser's famous Spaghetti Western book, which also was filled with invented things. But here it is much easier to detest what's wrong, but even if it must be a parody, it does not feel like an intended parody.

Well, it's fun to read ...

It seems that Koch Media will release the long 176 min version of OuTW in Germany exclusively with the German and the English dub as well as the original Italian audio (with translated subs), all in glorious mono. The German dub was already complemented for TV in the late 90s, not a big problem as there had to be added only a few lines in only one scene, all the other new stuff was without any dialogues. Maybe Mike Siegel can contribute precious bonus material.

And it will be released already in this year towards x-mas. I'm trying to convince them to add the Stanton cut, which probably will make Sergio stand up from his grave.

Great news I think ...

Once Upon A Time In The West / The success of OUTW
« on: July 28, 2017, 12:16:56 PM »
As we all know OUTW was far less successful in the USA than the Dollar trilogy (which was not as successful in the USA as many think). It made only about 1 mio $, which is not that bad for a foreign film, but then it wasn't marketed as a foreign film.
It seems OUTW did not make much money in the Uk either, but there was only a butchered version shown (146 min), while in the USA OUTW started at least for a short time in the uncut version.

In its homeland Italy OUTW was a success with about 8 mio tickets sold. Of the Spags only the 2 Trinity films and the Dollar trilogy made more money, but then considerably more.

The other Leones:

FAFDM : 14,5 mio
FOD : 14,1 mio
GBU : 12 mio
MNIN : 8 mio
DYS : 6,1 mio (# 15 of all Spagies)

But OUTW went really through the roof in France and Germany.
In Germany it is still the 3rd most successful film since 1963, more admissions than every Potter, Bond, Rings, Star Bores movie. And in France it is # 7 since 1945, also bigger than every Potter, Rings etc flic.

So it happens to be, and that is a big exception, one of the biggest hits in some countries, and a real flop in others.

It would be interesting to know how successful OUTW was theatrically in other countries, maybe some members here from around the world can contribute some data.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Charles Bronson for Tuco?
« on: August 18, 2016, 01:15:11 PM »
I just read somewhere else that Bronson was asked first to play Tuco. Sounds rather unlikely. And I don't remember having ever read that before.

Anybody here who ever heard that before?

Off-Topic Discussion / Van der Graaf Generator
« on: June 23, 2013, 12:58:58 AM »
Unknown to most some might call this the greatest band of the known Universe.

The BBC-Session version of Darkness:

One of the 10 greatest songs ever!
Especially in this version.

Off-Topic Discussion / James Bond
« on: October 22, 2012, 02:03:26 PM »
Just before the Sky begins to fall let's have a look back what was before in the James Blond business.

James Bomb rating time:

Dr. No  6/10
From Russia with Love  6
Goldfinger  6
Thunderball  6
You Only Live Twice  4
On Her Majesty's Secret Service  7
Diamonds Are Forever  5
Live and Let Die  6
The Man with the Golden Gun  4,5
The Spy Who Loved Me  6
Moonraker  3
For Your Eyes Only  5
Octopussy  5,5
Never Say Never Again  4,5
A View to a Kill  4
The Living Daylights  5
Licence to Kill  6,5
GoldenEye  6
Tomorrow Never Dies  4
The World Is Not Enough  6
Die Another Day  5
Casino Royale  7,5
Quantum of Solace  10

Other Films / The Westerner (Sam Peckinpah)
« on: November 14, 2011, 02:38:34 AM »
Sam Peckinpah learned his profession by directing some TV stuff in the late 50s and early 60s, before he got the chance for making feature films. His best work in these times was the creating of The Westerner starring Brian Keith, from which a pilot in 1959 and 13 episodes in 1960 were aired. All only with a 25 min runtime.
Peckinpah directed the pilot and 5 of the other episodes, but supervised the whole show, e.g. by checking and rewriting screenplays.

Some of the episodes for The Westerner are excellent. Much better than TV usually was up to the 90s, and even better directed and written than most of the then contemporary films.

Here is the episode Jeff which is probably the best of these, and which already brought Peckinpah in trouble with censorship:

Watch it soon before it gets deleted again. It contains some great stuff.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / A true story
« on: December 26, 2010, 02:16:51 AM »
A few years ago I heard a rumour that William Shatner was Leone's 1st choice for all 3 leads in GBU.

That's wrong, of course!

Truth is that Shatner was asked by Leone to play ALL the Union soldiers in the scenes around the bridge near the end of GBU. But this had included playing the drunk officer, which was refused by Shatner who disliked the idea of playing an alcoholic.

So Aldo Giuffre took over for the about 500 (!) roles. Unfortunately after one day of shooting with Giuffre multiple attacking the bridge, it became clear that he wanted to be paid for every single role, which by any stretch of imagination wasn't payable. So Giuffre was left with the drunk officer and the usual cheap extras of the Spanish army came in for the rest. Even if this meant that the footage of one whole day had to be re-shot.

Over the years it seemed that all the unused Giuffre material had gone lost, until recently when one millisecond was luckily found in the archives of the Aldo Giuffre foundation. Unfortunately it was too late to be included as bonus on the GBU Special Edition DVD.

So one of the greatest statements about the uniformity of war got lost by the shortsightedness of two actors.

And it could have changed the whole film history. It's obvious that with this statement GBU would have been instantly regarded as one of the great film classics, so that Leone wouldn't had all his doubts about his abilities, which would had led him doubtless to a creative flow with many, many more great films (amongst them several more SW masterpieces) and a happy and healthier and much longer life.
Also all the trekkies would have become inevitably sooner or later great SW fans, so that we would have now a much wider audience for DVD releases, and all the great SW classics would have been released in beautiful 12 DVD Digi-packs.

Sigh !!! But that's how life went.

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