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General Discussion / Who is the new Morricone?
« on: December 18, 2006, 09:30:13 AM »
I don't say Morriconne has finished his career. But according to you, if he had to pass the torch, which music film composer is worth to suceed to him (as a sort of spiritual son), as talented, as innovative as him, and made scores that are immediately remembered and have a soul?

I had thought to Clint Mansell. His music has something experimental as the one of Leone.

General Discussion / What did Internet change in your SL SW passion?
« on: November 14, 2005, 02:45:53 PM »
We have such an amount of infos and sharing of views concerning SL SW since Internet has spreading .
 I would have really liked to have it ten or twelve years ago (even If the net already existed, I hadn't have it),  all the more, I was even more passionated at this period than now, I felt dry at this time, now I on the contrary I feel overfed. How ironic.
 But I wonder (especialy for the eldest of you) how did you deal with the SL and SW infos before the consecration of Internet?  What did it change?

Once Upon A Time In America / Why we don't see the attack of the fed bank?
« on: November 07, 2005, 11:39:59 AM »
The movie lasts 3h45, however we don't see the attack of the fed bank. We  only see the aftermeath and the entrance of the bank. The characters speak about it, but the audience has to imaginate it.
 Don't you think, that SL choose the solution of facility , and the movie loose an opportunity concerning action and realism. Maybe SL should have shorten a little some scenes, to add this one who could have been a really climatic and dramatic action moment. As it is the movie is good but more abstract, more intellectual. I don't like in a movie when you talk about a thing but you don't see the thing.
And how it is in the book?

General Discussion / SW without women having important roles
« on: October 21, 2005, 03:19:01 PM »
When he he was asked why in his first SW films women had such a minor  importance, SL answered that he used to watch American westerns when he was a child and according to him, these AW would have been tenth time better without the women .
  Do you think that the nearly absence  of women can make a better story and/or a better film (especially that kind of films)? And why?
 You can  try to find what SL meant and take it into acount or give your personnal opinion.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Alternate Harmonica brother death scene
« on: September 19, 2005, 04:19:34 PM »
I just wonder if it exists a version where there are more shots of Harmonica's brother death scene.
 I mean between the moment Harmonica remembers it, with the zoom and the arch, I somehow remember a shot where the camera was heading toward the arch from a far distance, it wasn't simply the backward zoom from Young harmonica to the arch.
Did I dream this sequence?

Once Upon A Time In The West / How did they shoot the scenes in the train?
« on: December 10, 2004, 06:34:28 AM »
 I wonder if the scenes in the train with Morton were shot in a studio. Did they retranscribed the shaking of the closet by shaking the camera or was it really shot in the real waggon?
 And if they shot in a studio, did they use retroprojection for the landscapes through the windows? If they did so, they did a good job because, the landscapes really look real. For that time that would be really a feat as even now such special effects are often missed.
And if they shot these scenes in the real train, that would be a feat too, because that 's not easy to film in a real vehicle.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Young Frank
« on: October 24, 2004, 12:12:06 AM »
 When I saw the film, I wondered if it really was the same actor Henri fonda or if they 'd chosen a younger actor who looked like him. Is he wearing a whig?

General Discussion / Music in films
« on: October 16, 2004, 01:08:28 PM »
 In my opinion, no director appart Leone ever made such a symbiosis between the music and the film. Especially for the first three Leone Westerns. The duo Leone / Morricone has never been overtoped in my opinion. And as far as I'm concerned, Morricone 's work on the first three Leone westerns is his best (Dynamite and OUATIA are a bit under according to me). Even if Morricone did thousand of other soundtracks, they haven't this "immediate appeal". Evidently, it has to do with the fact that Leone gave the music extreme importance: I don't see many director who gave so much place to music: in Leone's film,the music isn't made for the movie, this the movie wich is made for the music (it's so true that Leone played the soundtracks on th set) and everything, every move and effect is planned with music in mind. And Leone also knew how to use silence too, wich few dircectors know nowaday and even yesterday. And at last : the director and the composer works were totally in phase as both were litterally soaked by Latin culture. In the other movies things often go so fast that you haven't the time to listen the music, if you ever notice it...Or the most memorable is only the generic, the rest beeing less noticeable, like in Star War.

 So here is my question:have you got any example of films where music and films worked so effectively as in Leone westerns? Some example of such a tandem: director/ music composer who did such a great job?

General Discussion / Butchered versions
« on: October 12, 2004, 01:58:13 PM »
I wonder how some of you can tolerate butchered versions of Leone movies. The worst example is OUATITW who have been reduced from 159 minutes to 120 minutes in USA. Same kind of atrocity for OUATITW and TGTBTU.

 I don't wan't to be a chauvinist but for one time at least I' m proud to be French, because us the French, according to Leone himself (see ray Freakling book and more) have the genuine and longest version of OUTITW, The good the bad , the ugly and maybe OUTIA and all Leone' movies.
   I love America, but I think in France we're more respectfull of the author ( the director) and his work. We considerate his work as an integral work of art, reducing it is destroying it. Whereas maybe, the Americans are more respectfull toward the producer, so toward the money... So they allow themself to butcher a work of art against the creator will only because they think like that it will make more money (wich isn't even true, because most of Leone cutted movies have failed in uSA) or for the censorship. And it's stupid because as Leone said when a four hours film is reduced to two hours, you'll finnaly have the feeling it lasts 4 hours because you won't understand anything because of the missing scenes, so you'll bore yourself (OUTIA). Whereas a three or four hours Leone film will be preceived as a two hours film because, you'll really in it.
   Well it's a pity most of Leone films hasn't received a good welcome in the USA but the contrary woul be surprising with such cuts...And there is also some simplifications in the English translation. At the end of the good, the bad , the Ugly, Tuco says to Blundee:" Bastards... " Whereas he says in the French version "you're the biggest bastard Earth never holded" : simplification number one.
 When Tuco fires from his bath: he says "Speak don't talk" whereas he says in the French version (maybe also in the Italian one, I don't know): " When someone shoots, he doesn't tell about his life.": simplification number two...

 Sorry guys, sorry.

General Discussion / Two unrealistic aspects in spaghetti westerns.
« on: June 20, 2004, 06:59:57 AM »
  There is two things I don't like in spaghetti westerns wich I think ruin the movies. And these things are present in some of Leone movies.

 The first one is when they shoot in the middle of the day and try to make us believe it's the night >:(.  Only to avoid to shot during the night wich would have cost too much and would have been more complicated! This is horrible when we see that in For a fistfull of dollar, in the scene with the two soldiers near the grave. It killed the movie.
 Fortunately in OUTIW we have real nights. I think FFD may be the only Leone western where that happens but I don't remember.

 Second very irrealistic aspect wich annoy me in the spaghetti western is the lack of blood! When guys are shot in the extrem case we see no blood at all, guys simply fall and make the dead, this is ridiculous! Once again A fistfull dollars is concerned. The massacre of el Indio with the machine gun is a pitty illustration of that problem.
  Sometimes, it's normal to not see blood, for example when Franck is killed, ok, because he has a black suit. But when Woobles is shot by Fonda , we only see two little stains. That's limit. It 'd be the only default of the movie.
 It's a pitty because I think the Italians had talent to make good make up : see Blondie when he is in the desert in GBU. But the bullets impacts... Only the final OUATIA is realistic in this way, but that's another time.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Frank's pals
« on: June 20, 2004, 06:34:59 AM »
 I wonder if the names that harmonica tells to Franck in the train (Chuck him blood, Calderberson) and wich seems to evoque so much things to him, are the names of the guys who were at Frank side when Harmonica's brother was killed (the ending flash back scene).

Once Upon A Time In The West / Harmonica's memory
« on: June 12, 2004, 01:32:32 PM »
The famous flash back scene of Harmonica's brother death has left its mark to me for all my life. It was amorced with so much style (especially with the mini flash backs previously in the movie), with so much control of the effects. Whereas nowadays , the movies are very simplistic, they simply tell things without style effects. Every movies are"volatile" compared to OUATITW In all the movies I have seen , no zoom never impressed me as much as the zoom in the eyes of Bronson and Fonda. And I loved the symbol of the apple bitten. So much things impressed in this scene (or even traumatized me), it would be too long to sum them up.
 But one thing above another, I wonder who was the teen hired for this scene, the little Harmonica. If somebody  had some trivia to give me about him or about this scene.

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