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Duck, You Sucker / Re: No Confusion about Sean or John

« on: July 09, 2007, 05:49:17 PM »

I agree with Skullchrist & Frayling on this, his smile sort of freezes and the music changes.

Thanks CJ.  I knew I wouldn't be alone on this.  Not trying to be an iconoclast, IMHO it makes the most sense to me.

Are you related to Coffin Joe?  

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Duck, You Sucker / Re: No Confusion about Sean or John

« on: July 09, 2007, 03:02:08 PM »

Huhhhhhhhhhhhhhh???

LOL!  I told you I have a unique take on it.  That's the sense I get in his body language.

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Duck, You Sucker / Re: No Confusion about Sean or John

« on: July 09, 2007, 01:52:37 PM »

Simple common sense; why would an Irish newspaper post a reward for an IRA member?

Most likely it was a pro-British newspaper and used the anglicized version of Sean, which is John.

I read the other post about his name and I understand and agree, lol.  The theory that they are both Sean's I also happen to agree with and think is sheer brilliance.

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Duck, You Sucker / Re: Sean and John

« on: July 09, 2007, 01:48:58 PM »

There is the suggestion that Sean is in fact the name of the other male figure in the flashback sequences.  In the final flashback sequence, we see for the first time the love interest of John kissing the other male.  That coupled with the change in the music score to be the same one used in bar where John shoots the "Sean" suggests that there was a love triangle and perhaps a bit of jelously.  If you notice the final shot on John whose smile begins to fade while watching his love interest kiss Sean, it gives some credence to the love triangle theory.

He says the name Sean when asked his name by Jean because he is haunted by the memory of the "one time he judged somebody" With that, he was referring to his shooting his friend in the bar.

What is interesting is that the love triangle theory is suggested in the final moments of the film.  And that ending was cut significantly on the American release such that we never see the girl kissing John's friend.

I tend to agree with this the most.  I also agree there is a difference between a menage a trois and a love triangle but human nature precludes both of these.  Love always comes when least expected or wanted and it's human nature to want to be the object of desire whether or not the initial intention was a 'playful' relationship or 'no strings attached'.  If there's anyone here that's ever been involved in one of these relationships they'll agree that there is no such thing.  A relationship between a single man and woman is complex enough without adding more testosterone.

I also like the theory that they are both Seans.  That is truly brilliant.

I love all of his movies but this movie has a very tragic and meloncholic tone that is hard to shake off.

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Duck, You Sucker / Re: No Confusion about Sean or John

« on: July 09, 2007, 01:01:18 PM »

It's open to interpretation.  I definitely don't see the smile as sinister.  There's very little to support such a view.

As someone mentioned, the music changes to a more harmonious and romantic nature when the girl and Sean embrace and then it cuts to John's face looking on and you can see his face slowly twist towards anger and hatred because she shrugged off his advances to the one she truly loves.

Why is everyone calling him Sean when even in the Irish paper he is referred to as John Mallory?

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Duck, You Sucker / Re: No Confusion about Sean or John

« on: July 09, 2007, 12:42:14 PM »

 I think they were involved in a menage a trois, and Sean's smile at the end was a smile of contentment.  

Hmm.  I know I can't be alone in this evaluation, as it was mentioned on the bonus disk, but I believe John murdered Sean because he ultimately wanted the girl for himself.

Maybe I have a darker nature, lol, but John's smile in the last flashback was extremely sinister.  And Sean was smiling right before John shot him because he didn't know that John had actually turned him in.

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Duck, You Sucker / No Confusion about Sean or John

« on: July 09, 2007, 09:20:34 AM »

If you watch the bonus disk for DYS it explains almost everything.  Believe me I had some serious questions and didn't really expect the bonus disk to offer much relief but I was pleasantly surprised.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.