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Duck, You Sucker / Re: Worst Morricone Soundtrack?
« on: May 28, 2013, 04:10:32 AM »
But what does that mean? How does it contribute to the film?  :-\

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Worst Morricone Soundtrack?
« on: May 26, 2013, 04:31:37 AM »
Does anyone know the meaning of the 'shon shon shon' bit?

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: NEW DIRECTORS CUT
« on: August 04, 2012, 05:56:21 PM »
Wow I live in Melbourne and didn't even know that it was going to be screened here, and now it's been pulled! I don't know whether to be disappointed that I could have missed this amazing opportunity or not now that's it's not showing anyway! :-\

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Blu-ray
« on: August 01, 2012, 03:58:42 AM »
I take your point but I thought when he said 'us' he was not referring to the man standing in front of him, but rather to the gang of old that used to exist decades ago. It seems to me that when he used the word 'us/we' he was excluding the man standing in front of him. It is consistent with what I said in my last post. It is as if to say who are you? You have no connection at all to 'us', the gang that now only exists in his melancholy memories. We (including Max of 1933) would never have taken such a job. As if to say 'you are not one of us'. It is an insult, and at the same time a conscious refusal to accept the reality, feeling more comfortable wallowing in his depressing memories.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Blu-ray
« on: July 30, 2012, 10:56:13 PM »
It's funny that you call Noodles refusal to shoot Mr Bailey an act of redemption (whether you consider it to be a major or minor or even non-existent theme). I always thought it was about the general themes of time and memories. Noodles consciously refuses to accept the new reality he confronts in his old age, the prefers to remain living in the 'reality' he has been morosely living with for decades. There is a conscious dissonance. That is why he constantly refers to him as Mr Bailey and refuses to address him as Max. That's why he leaves and refuses to delve into the details of the past few decades since Noodles self-imposed exile. It's not an act of redemption-it is refusing to drag himself out of the past he has become used to and has become his reality.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Dream Theory IMDB
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:33:02 AM »
Regarding unrealistic parts of the movie, does anyone think it realistic in the beginning of the movie where Eve is killed, that they kill her so quickly? No interrogation, no hitting, no threats, no they had just been doing to Mo.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Dream Theory IMDB
« on: July 16, 2012, 09:58:28 PM »
You would agree wouldn't you, that the chronology is independent of the dream theory? Even if after the opium den is not a dream, the chronology is as you described it.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Dream Theory IMDB
« on: July 16, 2012, 06:17:51 PM »
So when Noodles walks into the opium den in the final scene of the movie, he is coming from seeing the corpses of his 3 friend after they had been killed in the shootout?
I always thought the final scene and the first scene would be better linked if Noodles had a newspaper in the final scene, linking it to the first scene when he glances at the newspaper reporting the death of his friends. As a result of your post I looked at the final scene again, and you can see something white sticking out of his winter coat pocket-most likely the newspaper. But you really have to strain to see it. I would have thought it would have been better to give the newspaper a bit more prominence to link it to the beginning of the movie.
Also Noodles is wearing the same suit as he calls the police to give them the 'tip' about their final 'shipment' so that all fits in.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Dream Theory IMDB
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:34:51 AM »
Also if you read the fascinating thread with the interview of Noel Simsolo, SL responds to the question:

Isn't the film also the history of America linked to an opium dream?
The peculiarity of opium is a drug that makes you imagine the future as the past.  Opium creates visions of the future.  Other drugs only make you see the past.  Thus whilst Noodles dreams how his life could have been and whilst he imagines his future, it gives me, as a European director, the possibility of dreaming inside American myth.  And that's it, the ideal combination.  We walk together.  Noodles with his dream.  And me with mine.  These are two poems that fuse together.  Because, as far as the matters which concern me, Noodles never leaves 1930.  He dreams everything.  All the film is the opium dream of Noodles through which I dream of the phantoms of cinema and American myths.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Dream Theory IMDB
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:26:07 AM »
I think it's very clear from this interview that the 'dream theory' is not only possible but probable.
It makes no sense to say that SL only thought of this AFTER the film was completed.
Question-in the final scene when Noodles lies down in the opium den and smiles-does anyone know when this occured exactly chronologically?

Yeh I'd also like to thank you for your posts HG-thanks a lot mate-insightful! :)

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: NEW DIRECTORS CUT
« on: June 30, 2012, 06:34:10 PM »
So I don't know if this has been asked, but does anyone know when the new extended version of OUATIA will be available to us proletariate??!!

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