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Odd indeed!

Is it that Harmonica is worried that Cheyenne might be holding a grudge after being turned in to the law by him for the reward money?

Strange tread. Of course he is not sure how Cheyenne would react towards him at this point - after he "sold" him to the law (and Cheyenne even caught the deadly bullet because of the Harmonica action).

There's no way that turning in happened spontaneously, as in on Harmonica's whim. It was a ploy conceived by the pair to prevent Frank from obtaining McBain's property. Not to mention that, at this point in time, Harmonica is still unaware of Cheyenne's mortal wound. Hence the "Who?" at the end of the film.

I think Leone left it just to keep the audience guessing.

Duck, You Sucker / Re: How good is DYS?
« on: May 11, 2016, 01:22:49 AM »
Actually, Mallory had no desire to off his employer.
He set the dynamite to the church because he thought the German and his men were Juan and company.

The real question is why would John want to kill Juan and his extended family?
The answer lies in the desert sequence that was cut from the final product.

I never saw that scene. Can you fill me in on what happened in it?

Never trust anybody.  

A pretty standard theme in Leone films...

What could possibly motivate Cheyenne to make an attempt on his life? If Harmonica didn't trust him at that point, he wouldn't had trusted him to ride with him together at the end.

Maybe he thought Cheyenne felt jealous over sensing Jill's in love with him?

Because he doesn't immediately recognize Cheyenne? Could be Frank or one of his goons.

Frank wears a distinct black suit at this point in the movie and Harmonica is aware of it since he saved his life couple of hours ago.

Maybe he is just playing with Cheyenne's mind by reminding him of their first encounter while anticipating Frank's arrival at the same time.

Sorry if it's already being discussed someplace else, this board is surprisingly big, which made me too lazy to thoroughly search it.

This scene occurs in the Italian version only but I reckon it is definitely worthy of our contemplation.

The trading post scene is a no brainer, they aren't familiar with each other yet, thus Harmonica considers him a possible rival.

But what is the meaning of this?  

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: "Something to do with death"
« on: May 02, 2016, 11:25:02 PM »
One thing that is for sure is that Harmonica's "Rising Scene" should not have been present as it takes away most of that ambiguity. I still can't believe that the Blu-ray left that scene in rather than have it as an extra or at least make more use of the seamless branching on the disc to make it optional.

I believe that scene was meant to demonstrate that nobody is immortal. Leone destroyed a tiring cliche with that one. The windmill continuing it's rotation, producing that tedious sound, was something that I've always looked upon as "Another day, another death...the world keeps on turning." type of message to the viewer.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: "Something to do with death"
« on: May 02, 2016, 11:19:21 PM »
I think it's important to remember who Cheyenne is speaking to when he makes his pronouncement. Jill is looking upon Harmonica with favor--he's one badass muthafucka--and Cheyenne is warning her off. Harmonica is a gunman. He deals in lead. He's been on a mission for years, the sole aim of which was to kill. That successfully concluded, what can there now be for him? Domestication? Certainly not. He must die or fade away.

Of course, but it also serves the purpose of showing us how Cheyenne feels about Harmonica, how he views him. That opinion of his hasn't been formed through careful analysis of Harmonica's actions over the course of the movie. It was born the second he carelessly started playing his instrument at the trading post, thus demonstrating that he doesn't fall in line with the other sheep who tremble at the sight of Cheyenne, as well as that he has no fear of challenging anyone.

The fact that Harmonica left is why I adore Leone's westerns. Contrast it with likely outcome in an American western...they would fall in each other's arms and live happily ever after.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: "Something to do with death"
« on: May 02, 2016, 06:45:12 AM »
Cheyenne says Harmonica has ''something to do with death'' (inside him), to Jill, on the top of everything else written here, by us in favor of the more paranormal interpretation of the journey, tell me, why do you think that line is there in first place? Just another 'mistake'?

I've read that Leone was into psycho-analysis. If that's true, then it wouldn't be ludicrous to assume that Cheyenne's observation is his foreboding about the death-seeking nature of Harmonica's character. Cheyenne is not an educated man, he cannot articulate Harmonica's behavior through thoughts and words but he can achieve that goal through that which rugged, primitive men like him are sometimes endowed with - intuition. His animal side senses something strange about Harmonica and he acknowledges it but cannot fully explain it, hence 'something to do with death'.

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