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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 15, 2021, 09:06:44 AM »
It doesn't seem to exist (yet). It isn't mentioned on Maalouf's website and it isn't on, two websites where you would definitly find it when/if it gets a proper release.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 15, 2021, 03:05:09 AM »
Thanks, I'll check it out.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: ZODIAC (2007) - a film by David Fincher
« on: October 08, 2021, 11:20:17 AM »
No I mean he's one of the best craftmen there ever was in the industry, up there with Scorsese and Spielberg from their prime.
I'm not saying he's one of the best FILMMAKERS ever. I'm just talking about the TECHNICAL side of things, in the broadest possible meaning, but still only that one side.
Also I'm not alone saying that, the whole industry knows it.

 He's also a technical innovator who transformed the way movies, music videos, commercials, down to stupid youtube videos are made (worklows, way to use some technologies...) with Zodiac and The Social Network (which, technically speaking, isn't much more than Zodiac refined, radicalised and using newer, more mature technologies). Once again that doesn't make him a god. But that makes him somebody who cannot be replaced at the helm of a project without huge consequences on the end result.

I can back all of this with dozens of concrete examples but that would require a lot of time, and I'm not sure you're gonna read half of it. Without any sarcasm: if you're genuinely interested, I can go into all of this. It's easy for me, I've witnessed all of this because I've started working at the begining of the decade that he influenced the most, so I use what he invented (or sometimes just popularized, you know, the old inventor vs innovator debate) every day, as do many people around me.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: ZODIAC (2007) - a film by David Fincher
« on: October 08, 2021, 04:56:37 AM »
Are you gonna link to old discussions of this movie?  :o

I may. I'm also trying to find old in depth articles and other online content about that movie (there was an astonishing article about the editing process, couldn't find it yesterday. The making of is also on youtube).

It's more like an ensemble film. All the actors do a great job though none of them really stands out performance wise, though of course most time is spent with Gyllenhaal, Downey Jr., Ruffalo, Edwards and Sevigny. They all could have been replaced by other actors with no real change in the overall quality of the film.

Good point.

This is true. Fincher could also have been replaced.


Of course he couldn't, this is seriously one of the best shot and edited movie that I've ever seen. I still think about particular editing points from Zodiac for almost every video I direct or produce (I make dozens of them every year - sometimes hundreds). The fact that the style isn't "in your face" doesn't mean it isn't well done. That style could be criticized though, but let's do it for the good reasons.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: QT disses OUATIA
« on: October 07, 2021, 02:50:57 AM »
Well if it hadn?t been for 4 things, we?d all still be talking about it:

1. Another movie about a big ship that crosses the Atlantic hadn?t been released at the same time and broken all box office records
2. The English language release hadn?t been butchered as egregiously as OUATIA

3. The movie was one note (the set design was sometimes inspired by Caro & Jeunet. They should have taken a few hints on the tone too)
4. The CGI aged terribly

By the way, Novecento, have you ever noticed the guy who plays the main character has a small part in Mississipi Burning? His eyes are put to great use. I'm sure Leone would have casted him as a dispensable baddie just to do a close up.

Off-Topic Discussion / ZODIAC (2007) - a film by David Fincher
« on: October 07, 2021, 02:45:39 AM »
We love Zodiac. Zodiac had no thread here. The people wanted a Zodiac thread. There is now a Zodiac thread.
Let's discuss Zodiac.

I don't understand when that Leone board changed its mission and became obsessed by mocking David.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
« on: October 06, 2021, 02:51:59 AM »
Waiting for the Definitive Edition Redux 8K remaster with 800 pages of previously unreleased foot porn found in the trash can of QT's laptop.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 05, 2021, 12:48:42 AM »
I'm not sure we can move to other movies yet. Everybody on this board has first to admit Mank is a masterpiece.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: QT disses OUATIA
« on: October 03, 2021, 04:15:40 AM »
I couldn?t get through Mank. On an entirely separate note, your man Edgar Wright apparently has a new movie coming out!

As for Once Upon a Time in America, it?s no ?? West? but boy is it up there in the realm of untouchable masterpieces. And it?s certainly above ?? Hollywood?. Having said that, ?? Hollywood? was still damn good apart from the ending (and def my fave Tarantino).

But then again, ?the legend of the pianist on the ocean? and ?cross of iron? are also masterpieces in my book. I don?t expect many people in these parts to back me up in that regard. Each to their own I guess?

By the way, has anyone seen Dick Tracy recently. How did I miss that before in Vittorio Storraro?s oeuvre. Those colors just took it to another level.

Is this flood of movie titles another trap for me to fall in and not spend that time defending OUATIA? You?re all against me.

(I love cross of iron but the film about novecento is too sentimental for me despite its huge qualities. More precisely, it?s ?only? sentimental, I need other notes in a music or a film)

(DJ: sure, Mank cannot compete with any of your post-2010 10/10)

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Licorcice Pizza (2021)
« on: October 02, 2021, 05:21:03 AM »
Don?t play with me feelings  :'(

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: QT disses OUATIA
« on: October 02, 2021, 05:18:40 AM »
I cannot believe I?m wasting my time defending Mank in another thread while some philistine is attacking the holy grail of cinema here.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 02, 2021, 05:15:30 AM »
Titane (2021) - 6/10. Someone has seen too many Cronenberg movies.

Alexia, an erotic dancer and serial killer, is in love with cars. So much so, she actually fucks them. One night something knocks really hard on Alexia's door., frightening her half to death. Alexia has just stepped out of the shower, so she's completely naked. Nonetheless, she opens the door and walks outside. A Cadillac with its lights on is waiting--apparently, "he" was the knocker. Alexia climbs inside and pretty soon we see the car shaking up and down. Geddit?

Later, Alexia's killing spree is hampered by the fact that she's pregnant. What with morning sickness and an expanding belly and all, it's getting harder and harder to drive that knitting needle through the sides of peoples' skulls.

Alexia decides to self-administer an abortion. The abortion, we soon learn, fails. And oddly, when she hemorrhages, instead of squirting blood, she excretes a dark liquid similar to motor oil. I'm guessing even PowerRR can guess where this is going.

But that's for later. In the meantime, Alexia has a whole house full of guests to kill, and then there's a fire to light, and then, to disguise her looks, there's that broken nose she needs to self-administer (that scene was even more painful to watch then the abortion).

After that, the film really gets weird.

I'm guessing this film, in French, isn't going to be for everyone. I probably wouldn't have seen it myself except it was playing at my local 15-screen cineplex.

Sorry about the spoilers.

This one has like 3 high concept movies and tries to make them fit into a single movie. The result is a very rushed film, that leads to radical storytelling and filmmaking. Hence the interest. But it also means the movie doesn?t have the time to dig any of the interesting stuff it stumbles upon. The most telling example (but the whole movie is like that) is the complex relationship between  the girl and her adoptive father: its nature takes 180 degrees turns every scene. Which quickly ?uninvolves? the audience and traps the film into superficiality. In the end, it approaches a lot of topics and deals with none. What is left is the feeling to have seen a YouTube compilation of all the intense moments from the 5 seasons of Breaking Bad, but not what ties everything together and especially not the context of those intense scenes. I think I agree with your rating.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 02, 2021, 05:08:14 AM »
Because on Mank he was able to make some good points, he wasn?t discussing the press release but the actual movie.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 02, 2021, 04:36:30 AM »
^^ I disagree about Mank no longer being a good guy. Fincher and co clearly blame the people and world around him for his troubles, or strongly imply that. The result of the election clearly broke him, and I find that to be ridiculous and that is more in line with something written by Paul Haggis. A character can be protrayed as very flawed while also being viewed as a hero. We will have to agree to disagree because I'm not going to move an inch on this, and if anything, I found this movie to be too simple.

Very well, let?s agree to disagree. Where you?re wrong is that you seem to think Fincher is a political filmmaker when he never was and never will be (which is his biggest weakness): he makes movies about individuals and how they fit in the system. Not movies about the system. Hence Fight Club (and pretty much all of his movies and tv shows, with mayyybe the exception of Gone Girl).

I?ll throw you a bone and say that maybe his father tried to do something different with the early drafts of the screenplay, and the resulting screenplay (but what is actually on screen, not much) has some remains of that. Hence your mistake. Still, the movie doesn?t deal with what you?re saying and sene after scene deals with Mank?s slow realization (which happens to have a lot to do with Fincher?s own biography).

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