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16  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) on: November 03, 2017, 09:47:29 AM
I agree with most of it, but apart from the pleasure of arguing about universal rules, on an absolutely non theoretical but utterly pragmatical, factual, impossible to argue level, BR2049 needs a good sound system. I swear. It is just designed that way. On purpose.

Now I've done everything that was in my power to do. I hope they make the right choice  Cry
17  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: November 03, 2017, 06:31:17 AM
Maybe the film as a whole you only need to watch once, but there are certain scenes you will want to replay.

Nice. I'm definitely watching it soon, thanks.
18  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: November 03, 2017, 04:08:00 AM
I never saw it, although I have had the DVD for about a decade. I never got the courage to put it on: it looks like the kind of movie I'd be glad to have watched once. DJ, you're making me kinda want to man up and put that disk in da player.
19  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: November 02, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
The shirt is inside the poster.
20  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) on: November 02, 2017, 07:22:02 AM
Only 50%. So less wrong than watching GBU in pan and scan, you philistin.
21  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: David Fincher Appreciation Thread on: November 02, 2017, 02:24:32 AM
Spoiler free Mindhunter VFX breakdown: https://vimeo.com/239193453
This video could be titled "CGI enhancing the story: how CGI should be used"
22  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Inside Llewyn Davis (2013) on: November 02, 2017, 02:22:22 AM
10 min insightful interview of DP Bruno Delbonnel AFC about his work on Inside Llewlyn Davis: https://vimeo.com/81723109
23  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: November 02, 2017, 02:20:49 AM
Inside Llewyn Davis - 9/10
 Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss
I love this movie so much. Its only flaw is it makes me sad for 2 weeks everytime I watch it.
24  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) on: November 02, 2017, 02:04:43 AM
You didn't have the choice for GBU. If someone told you "Hey, I have never seen GBU, I'll watch the pan and scan version tonight" I hope you'd try to make him get another version.


Stop arguing, just watch BR2049 with a good sound!  Angry Angry Angry Angry
25  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: November 01, 2017, 12:36:00 PM
Grey T-shirt. What about you?
Shirt and poster are in English.

I still haven't received the picture of my grave though (while former board member Lewis Hawk has).
26  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) on: November 01, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
Screening conditions aren't lipstick on a pig. Films and videos are made for a certain kind of experience. Even with the same budget, you don't write, direct, edit, mix and grade the same way depending on the main viewing conditions. Some films and shows are optimized for "most" conditions (ie not a smartwatch, but most decent screens will do). Many aren't.

3D is a good example. You just don't have the same freedom. You cannot use shaky cam in 3D, you cannot edit too fast, you cannot move the camera too fast. The same stays true for a big screen vs a TV. Fast pans that work very well on TV give headaches to a theater audience. Some films are made to be immersive and usually need the best sound system because they were designed for that experience, some aren't. A Leone close up is something that is common and mainstream on TV, but impressive on a big screen. An extended shot framed as a wide shot where the action only takes 10-20% of the frame may work perfectly on a big screen, while it doesn't express the same feeling on TV and is unwatchable on a smartphone. Colors are also hugely significant and will impact the audiences' feelings WAY more than they think. An overly saturated TV won't just make things look "weird", it will make or break certain movies (Inside Llewyn Davis, for instance). If you're streaming a comedy, a misplaced lag can destroy the best joke ever (in my experience, a difference of 3 or 4 frames can destroy a good line).

Some films still hold a lot of quality even when watched in poor conditions, some lose too much, because they don't just loose comfort or lipstick, they lose emotions and meaning. Cinema is a way of expression, just like somebody talking to you. If you have to guess some of the words the guy in front of you is uttering, if you cannot see his eyes or body language, you're sometimes losing 1% of the message, and sometimes 99%.

A film isn't just a bunch of 35mm rolls or a .mp4 file. The screening is part of the work of art. You can watch it "broken" and still enjoy it, but don't think you've seen the real thing.
It reminds me of when people say they don't care if a film is well directed or not: I don't care if you care, but I KNOW that the direction will incredibly impact the way you'll feel during the movie, whether you "care" or not. Same goes for the viewing conditions: you may care, you may don't care, your opinion on the film will widely vary, ESPECIALLY for the first viewing.

In the case of BR2049, you're all free to do whatever you want to do, but as someone who watched it I can tell you the sound was designed a certain way and it brings a quality that was intentionally absent from the visual part. If you lose it, you're losing a lot and the whole films becomes too cold.
27  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: November 01, 2017, 09:58:45 AM
Same here!
28  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: October 31, 2017, 07:44:37 AM
In France at least, I see the 2000’s as a decade of professionnalisation of the whole industry. We started to at least try to make our movies look ok. Not artistic, not stylized, just like somebody on set cared about what was happening. On the same time, many screenplays were directly influenced by Hollywood standards, which lead to a decade of uniform and empty movies. So it was just a decade of technical transition.

That decade created a big gap between high budget (10 millions and +) mainstream shit and cheap (3 millions and under) artsy stuff. Many people wrote about the lack of “films du milieu” (we previously had tons of them).

Now the whole thing matured a bit and we see a more stable industry. I think we may see interesting while not too artsy French movies soon.
29  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) on: October 31, 2017, 06:21:56 AM
This line of though is a bit hard to swallow for people who work on these images and sounds  Cry Cry Cry Cry

Of course, OUATITW has more to offer than just the correct aspect ratio. Still, cinema is a mean of expression and you're cutting out huge chunks of the ideas/emotions expressed by choosing to not care about them. This is more of a problem with movies that consciously use sound and image in a very controlled way, just like in BR2049.

Actually, I'm curious about the 3D experience for that film too. Like I said, the most important thing is the sound because the way the photography works in this film is inherently cold; most of the immersive work and the warmth comes from the sound design. You definitely won't have the same experience if you watch it with the wrong sound system (image quality is less of an issue here). I know it for a fact since I saw it with the wrong sound system (and I'm definitely not a sound guy).
30  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Blade Runner 2049 (2017) on: October 31, 2017, 03:25:16 AM
Noooooooooooooooooo Deakins said "no 3d"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About screening conditions: no, good films aren't good in every format. Citizen Kane sucks when watched on an Apple Watch, or if your neighbor keeps talking throughout the movie. Also, some films are good in many formats but MUCH better in the appropriate conditions. You wouldn't watch OUATITW in pan and scan. Blade Runner 2049 is a film that requires a good sound system.



With Blade Runner 2049, you expect it to surpass the original, it doesn't,

I never expected that. I have a bias for Leone, but apart from him, nobody came close to the original BR. You cannot expect anyone to break a 30 years old world record Smiley

it seems to just cover the same ground with cute tweeks.

I don't think so. The original BR was about mortality, this one is about identity. The original BR was about how trapped we are by the human condition, this one follows existentialism (we are defined by what we do, not where we come from). These are inherently different thematics and the whole films are based upon these (and not on the plot), which gives us 2 very different movies.
Also, the first one is warm and tactile, this one is cold and cerebral. So even the execution comes from a different place.

It seems too calculated too formulaic, let's make a SiFi film that quotes all other SiFi films (remember the giant women in the amusement park in A.I.),

I can understand that feeling. I strongly disagree (I see it as a totally unique and a true landmark in movie history), but I see where you come from here.

Maybe just maybe if you wait too long with these things the original becomes so iconic in your mind/the public's mind that a sequel will never measure up in your mind to first.

Yeah, I think it's very hard to come a few decades after an iconic film. What would could "Brazil 2049" or "GBU 2" be nowadays?
Still, as some critics pintpointed, Villeneuve managed some kind of miracle: his film isn't as good as Blade Runner (but then again, what is?), but it isn't far and it is a great sequel that does what great sequel do (they're stand alone works of art and they make the original deeper).
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