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76  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Homosexual overtones on: February 22, 2007, 12:22:57 AM
I said if you look it OUT of the CONTEXT.  Shane and Big Country are classics, but that didn't stop Academy to make jokes. That joke didn't hurt their greatness. Just to be clear; OUATITW is my favorite movie ever! Cheesy
77  General Information / General Discussion / Clint Eastwood recieved another reward! on: February 21, 2007, 05:53:47 AM
 Clint Eastwood recieved the highest French honours from a French president Yacques Chirac, The Legion d' Honneur . He become a night in France's elite Legion of Honor. (See at www.fuckfrance.com).
78  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Homosexual overtones on: February 21, 2007, 03:58:06 AM
I've watched last year Oscars and Jon Stewart said joke about Brokeback Mountain. Something like; there were no Westerns with man to man love. And then they showed inserts from Shane, from Big Country " Gregory Peck to Charlton Heston; this room is not big enough for what I'm gonna do to you. I was thinking, they could easily put this scene from OUATITW; Frank; "Future doesn't matter to us now. Not a money not the land, not the woman. I came to see you. And CUT after thiese words. I think out of context, this is preety funny love sentence. What do you think?
79  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: Who thinks that this is best out of all 3?? on: February 21, 2007, 03:31:53 AM
Great hommage to a Western genre. I mean, that moment when col. Mortimer rides of at the sunset.... Classic.
80  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Hello To All from a Newbie on: February 21, 2007, 12:37:57 AM
Well I am Newbie too, so you are not alone. Welcome!
81  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: puzzling situation on: February 21, 2007, 12:31:05 AM
If he is dead  (let's say that he died, and Frank killed him too), but how come he grew from 10 year old in a hanging scene to his present age? That would mean someone else murdered him when he was already old, but then his revenge would be toward that person who killed him when he was adult, and not toward Frank. Wink
82  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: puzzling situation on: February 20, 2007, 02:33:33 PM
Yes, but Harmonica certanly would not let them get away with this. After all, they were present at the moment of hanging. Result: they were accomplices in the crime against Harmonica's brother. Harmonica would have certainly killed them first, one by one."they were all alive 'till they met you Frank"- this line can also be explained. They would have still been alive if they had not joined Frank. Frank's actions caused their death. They stood there doing nothing. Harmonica has to kill them. First he killed asistants and then Harmonica goes after Frank. Harmonica would have never left any of them alive.  
83  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Harmonica's brother's last words? on: February 20, 2007, 07:09:36 AM
I agree with you that Harmonica's brother said something like "You son of the bitch", but I like to think that brother intentialy pushes Harmonica because Harmonica would feel guilty for his brother death. Harmonica would eventually lose his strenght, and his brother would die. So brother pushed him to save him. He did only thing he could to spare Harmonica; he died by his own will.
84  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: puzzling situation on: February 20, 2007, 06:45:31 AM
Thank you for the information. Smiley
85  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / puzzling situation on: February 20, 2007, 01:01:19 AM
I read some earlier posts and I found one that belongs Tuco the Ugly. It's on Not even at the point of dying thread I think. And one thing puzzles me. Tuco has mention three names Dave Jenkins, Calder Benson Chuck Youngblood. Quote: "I mean everybody knows that Frank is a murderer, so what?Rumour could easily spread trough the West; Frank killed Dave Jenkins, Calder Benson, Chuck Yougblood. Frank thought nobody seen him, he believed he didn't left any witneses behind". That was a surprise for me. I always thought that these were names of the gunmans who helped Frank at the hanging ( you know guy with a apple, one with a rifle at his back and one with no teeth). Then Harmonica chased them and killed them in the large period of time. I guess Harmonica considered them guilty  for a death of his brother, and he killed them first, and final act of revenge keept for Frank. That woul explain that Frank remembers their names and the fact that they are dead. I mean he would know the name of his own gunmans wouldn't he? So he is not afraid that he left a witneses but he is afraid of someone who  tell's that names. That means that man who knows thiese names probably knows many secrets. Frank knows that thiese names were familiar to a very few people. I mean they left no witnesses. 1.)I would like to hear your opinions about this subject. I mean, thiese names, are they belong to a Frank's gunmans or people that were killed by Frank. I remind you Frank is a brutal killer and he doesn't have guilty counciouns. He doesn't remember who he killed and why, I guess he killed to many.
86  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: analysis on jill on: February 19, 2007, 03:39:22 AM
You got there a few very interesting points. But I would not agree that Jill is only a greedy whore in pursuit of money. Well maybe at begining, but her character  is evolving from the point when she realized that Sweetwater is McBain's dream and she will stay and fullfill it. In the second scene with Cheyenee (first was at the saloon) Jill is trying to stay alive, using the strongest weapon of the weak; "simpathy for a poor defenseless widow". She is using words as a verbal shield against Cheyenee. Something like Seherezada in Arabian Nights. From her point of view he is still outlaw who escape from sheriff's man and probably murderer of her husbant. She casts a spell on poor Cheyenee and he bought it (who wouldn't). I mean she is using her strongest weapon; her abbillty to adapt and seduct man. Also her magnificient beauty. The more she keep telling about her sad past, she has more chance to stay alive.
87  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: The DVD case is a piece of trash on: February 17, 2007, 02:58:41 PM
Well, DVD case reveals the plot of the movie, that' s true but that doesn' t hurt OUATIW too much. I mean it describes every cliche in almost any western in the film history.  We all saw this film and we always come back for more. OK, the plot is very important, but performance of the actors, brilliant direction by Leone, and grandious camera shots is what makes this movie so appealing. Content is important and any other realisticaly made movie would be ruined by revealing his plot, but execution is what's counts. And OUATIW is a perfect example that if you try to explain or account the story you won't succeed. You'll say you gotta watch it man to believe. After all even if you know what is going on, you still have to watch it couple more times to figure out what a hell is going on. So I don't think this is cause for alert. 
88  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Dramatic moment in OUATIW on: February 16, 2007, 05:14:00 AM
Have you noticed that beautiful irony in a saloon scene at the moment when Frank offers 50001 dollars to buy out Jill's ranch? Harmonica is leaned on saloon doors with his eyes fixed on something very far, on a picture of a man wich identity is unknown to us when we saw movie for the first time. The picture is out of focus. You have to watch this movie at least two times to be able to catch this dramatic irony. In that moment Harmonica reaches in the deepest corners of his memories, in the darkest places of his subconscious, but in that very moment Frank said the words; "I wouldn't think too much about it if I was you". This scene always makes shivers down my spine. Frank misinterpreted Harmonica's silence. He thought that Harmonica consideres money. Frank casual behavior and thiese words were spoken to a man who thinks only at that moment when his brother was killed. Even more, words came from a man who is responsibile for his brother murder. Incredibly cruel words, greatest insult. The man who killed Harmonica's brother is a very same man who gives "friendly advice" not to think much. Irony is that Harmonica's only purpose in this world is to avenge his brother death. Polarity between Harmonica's emotional trauma that he constantly reliving, and cruel and casual aproach that Frank has been showing in this short scene is striking.
89  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Frank and Harmonica on: February 15, 2007, 12:41:08 AM
I noticed that Frank goes down because he become reckless. He is settling things from the distance, he uses other people to finish his dirty work. He underestemated Harmonica, probably because Frank savagely murdered alot of people (probably every family wich farm stood in a way of Morton's railroad) and Harmonica's brother is just another obstacle. 1. My question is this; does, from your opinion Frank belongs to 'older' people? I'll explain. By old people I think characters in Leone movies who are careless  (like collonel Mortimer when he fall in Indio's trap, even Monco said to him that he is caught in his pants down in final duel). In TGTBU Angel Eye fell on Blondie's trap and participates in unfair duell.) Frank is getting old (he let's other people take care of things while he play businessman). All of them are older people and they finished their lives badly. What do you think?
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