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1  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Characteristics of Spaghetti Western on: March 31, 2007, 05:18:08 AM
Honestly,I've rarely noticed the dubbing. Maybe because I've also watched hundreds of kung fu films and Italian zombie movies. SW editors seem to have at least tried to get the dubbing down,which I can't say for the other genres.
2  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Classic Western Thread on: March 31, 2007, 05:14:34 AM
Anyone for Death Of A Gunfighter? I just saw this recently,and really enjoyed it.

I'm a sucker for movies whose protagonists die lousy deaths,however.
3  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: If... on: March 31, 2007, 05:06:37 AM
I agree with that statement. I despised Mencia long before it became fashionable.

Guzman is a terrific actor. If it ever had to happen, I would want it to be him. But let's all pray that it doesn't.

At first,I thought Mencia was just some unfunny hack they hired as an 'ethnic' guy to try and keep Chappelle's audience. Now I realize he's an unfunny 'ethnic' hack with really poor taste in jokes to steal. Clowning him was the only funny thing Joe Rogan's done since News Radio.
4  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Frank Miller's 300 (2006) on: March 15, 2007, 02:04:56 AM
1) These points were made by Victor Davis Hanson in the link above;
2) The law of unintended consequences (incl. unintended meanings) always operates;
3) Some battles are archetypal.

There's also this,though

My main point was that regardless of what the movie's copyright is,all its intellectual material is much older. So people attacking (Or praising) 300 because of how they interpret it in relation to Bush is not unlike attacking Picasso because I decide that Guernica is a statement on the Iraq War.

Making an interpretation is one thing,attacking something because of an unintended meaning is another.
5  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Frank Miller's 300 (2006) on: March 14, 2007, 06:07:52 AM
I saw this movie (pretty drunk,but still) and absolutely loved it,and  I'm a huge zombie movie fan who hated the Dawn Of The Dead remake,and had a lot of reservations about Synder directing this. Concerning the slo-mo shots,I dont care for it too much,but didn't hate it like I expected. It's not Matrix-y,as I was dreading,and when it's used to good effect,it works very well.

The politicizing of this movie is absurd. It follows Frank Miller's comics about as closely as possible,and the comics were released in '98,Bush wasn't even president yet,and no one was talking about Iran. As far as the comics themselves go,they actually follow Herodotus and other historical accounts closer than a lot believe. Greek historians were hardly above adding a bit of polish to a tale or adding a 'monster' here or there. Thermopylae was incredibly important to the survival of Greek (and Western) civilization,and obviously there's a bit of romanticizing of the Greeks and villifying of the Persians in the histories. A lot of the action was inspired by the movie The 300 Spartans. So I fail to see how you can accuse of a movie that's based on sources that are  9,45,and over 2,000 years old of having a current political agenda.

Basically,Frank Miller absorbed various sources and used them to make the most entertaining series he could out of them,and then Snyder used that to make the most entertaining movie he could out of it. It's not meant as a history lesson,although I've seen plenty of critics fresh from the Wikipedia article  take potshots at it's historical accuracy. It's meant as a pure visual spectacle with a stirring backstory,and at that I think it succeeds wonderfully.
6  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: "Something to do with death" on: March 13, 2007, 02:10:52 AM
another discovery that we made not long ago was the fact that Harmonica asks Frank something like "so you found out that you are not a business man after all" refering to Frank's conversation with Morton, when he was never present for that conversation,  I believe it happens before Harmonica was on top of the private train car.

Check it out to make sure, I believe Peacemaker did confirm it.

I forget at exactly which point,but Frank tells Harmonica "Morton once told me I could never be like him. Now I know why,I just couldn't rest knowing you were out there alive." I'm fuzzy on the chronology,but I believe it happens before Harmonica's comment.

Given that the film can be viewed as an anthology of western movies,I think of Harmonica's role as the Avenging Angel character,but not immortal. Frank destroyed his life,and took everything from him,and Harmonica knows that he's far from the only victim. His life's only purpose is to end Frank's. After that's done,who knows what will become of him, but Cheyenne knew that Jill would never be able to make a life with a man like that.

Interesting though,there's the deleted scene with Harmonica getting beaten up. Since Leone was worried about the slow pace of the film,I doubt he deleted a fight scene just to shave off time. Maybe he did delete it to make Harmonica appear unearthly and invulnerable.
7  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Sam is wearing a duster! on: March 13, 2007, 01:54:23 AM
I don't think he was part of the gang.After all,like almost everyone else  in the rest house,he shuts up and plays invisible when Cheyenne walks in. Also,given Sam's occupation,Cheyenne's men would have plenty of opportunities to harass him over the duster, I doubt he'd have the option of not caring. I figure it's just a different enough style of coat,course they all look pretty much the same once they're all,uhh,dusty.
8  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Eastwoods worst western? on: March 08, 2007, 02:16:16 AM
High Plains Drifter and Pale Rider deal with the same issues as Hang 'Em High, but on a very simple level.  A quasi-supernatural hero arrives who knows with complete certainty who is good and who is bad, (and everyone in these films is morally black or white: there are no shades of grey, as there are in real people) and is easily able to thwart them without ever having to concern himself with law.   There isn't really much we can take from this and use in our lives.

Hang 'Em High had a great plot,I don't think anyone argues that. It's the execution of it I think most take issue with. It does have a very TV-ish feel to it overall,and the 'villians' were poorly drawn out. The movie usually concerns itself with Eastwood's reactions,rather than the lynchers actions. And since all the antagonists are broad strokes of grey,it makes them seem incomplete.

Having defended HPD once already,I'll do it again. Far from being a straight good vs. evil tale,I see it as one of the most amoral westerns ever made. Eastwood's character can hardly be called good,because whatever reason he has for his actions he extracts his revenge extremely brutally,and lies,steals,kills and rapes from people who often are only guilty of cowardice. None of the villians are truly evil,just scared and desperate,lying to themselves and anyone else that will listen that they had to do what they did. And after all,they only killed one man to save their whole town. Eastwood destroys the whole town just to satisfy his desire for revenge. When Eastwood rides off leaving the town to fend for itself against the outlaws,it's hard not to feel pity for them.
9  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: Indio's Problem With Apples on: March 07, 2007, 05:45:57 AM
I agree with the tipping his hand theory,and an additional point:

Simply being fast with a gun doesn't necessarily mean he's a bounty killer.But Indio already knows how smart Monco is,and anyone that smart and capable wouldn't be joining a gang. He'd either be start one of his own,or a bounty killer,or he might just have a scheme to doublecross Indio for all the money.

So while Indio figures out hes a bounty killer once he's discovered with Mortimer, I think Indio was assuming someone that capable couldn't be up to any good.
10  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: All An Act? on: March 06, 2007, 04:50:08 AM
Blondie wouldn't have told Tuco,because either A)Tuco wouldn't have believed him (Even though Blondie would have nothing to gain by lying,Tuco would probably assume he was,and try to use it to get free) or B)Tuco,as shown in the later hanging,couldn't be relied upon to act convincingly. That's also why I think Blondie ended the partnership,Tuco's bad acting would eventually get them both killed.

11  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Eastwoods worst western? on: March 06, 2007, 02:08:19 AM
I think i'm the only one here who (gasp) really enjoys Paint Your Wagon, even better than Pale Rider.

Gonna use oil based paint,because the wood is piine!

...Ponderosa piiiiiine!
12  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Pictures of the silhouette horses? on: March 06, 2007, 02:06:32 AM
Awesome,thanks a lot. Looking at them,I think I'm gonna have to go for the image of the back of Eastwood's poncho.
13  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Eastwoods worst western? on: March 05, 2007, 02:44:16 AM
Paint Your Wagon hands down,if you count that.Hang 'Em High otherwise,it's just too loose and bland.

I LOVE High Plains Drifter,by the way. Clint's all scumbag,all the time in that movie. A great twist on the revenge western.
14  General Information / General Discussion / Pictures of the silhouette horses? on: March 05, 2007, 02:37:39 AM
I want to get one of the horse silhouettes from the opening credits from the No Name trilogy tattooed on me,but I can't find any pictures of them.

Anyone have some screen caps lying around?
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