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Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Rare Documentary
« on: May 24, 2010, 12:13:34 AM »
interesting rare videos on RAI TV few rare interviews of Sergio Leone talking about Once Upon A Time In America while editing the movie few rare shots of editing unfortunately in italian if you guys have any programs to translate video would you posted translated text or video

Once Upon A Time In America / Rare Documentary
« on: May 24, 2010, 12:05:53 AM »
check this out documentary on Sergio Leone and his films

and even have some behind scene footage on the set Once Upon A Time In America

unfortunantley there is no translation on this only subtitles in greek, but its really good

Once Upon A Time In The West / DVD Pre-Release
« on: April 07, 2010, 02:35:55 PM »
check this Paramount dvd reissue cover art may be someone like it but i prefer the old cover art

dvd will be release on 5/18/10 there's no words on Bluray yet  

« on: April 07, 2010, 01:54:52 PM »
Arnon Milchan says in the documentary about puting scenes back in, and also showing six cans of scenes with the each name on it, and says that makes full director's version, that means scenes allready been dubbed long ago, but he didn't mention about new transfer about color restoration anything like that, but i think personally to restore movie like this carefully frame by frame takes years in terms of running time, to restore not only additional scenes but to restore movie it self from start to finish for scratches, dirts, grain, to give movie descent quality better than first transfer to make fans happy

Arnon Milchan didn't mention anything about release just said "This Time I Know What to do" according to his interview hopefully will see release maybe in the public theatres and possibly on Bluray

Warner Home Video released DVD in 2003 to make movie fans finally happy to see with descent picture and sound

i hope will hear something new soon about future release DVD/Blu-ray

post and share you thoughts and comments

« on: April 07, 2010, 01:41:49 PM »
Check this out

There's few evidence that longer version as two part movie original four and a half hour is exist

Arnon Milchan quote  "There's another half hour we're planning to put back and come with the full director's version. This time I know what to do" (he meant that is closest Sergio Leone intended version)

Few days go I went to Central Library and read Sergio Leone Biography "Something To Do With Death" by Christopher Frayling also says that
270 Minutes is definitive version (But it's only rummors no one knew original version except director himself)

post you comments and tell what you think about this

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Six-Hour Version
« on: August 21, 2007, 11:26:01 PM »
I recently got a friend to watch OUATIA, and he noted that it felt rushed in places, despite being nearly four hours long.  He loved the film (as do I), but he said he easily could've sat through another hour of it without being bored.  Thinking back on it, I agree with him.  There are a few places that I feel the story gets rushed a bit.

Upon searching for the film on Wikipedia (the greatest source for unreliable information), I read that Leone originally shot a six-hour long version of the film, which he'd planned to release as two three-hour films.  The films were essentially completed, having been scored, edited, and dubbed the film already. 

So I suppose I'm left with two questions, which you may or may not have heard before.

1) Is this information accurate?

and 2) If so, do any copies of this six-hour version exist?

Original Cut is four and half hours long, shooting script was almost 6 hrs long but since script was change only definitive cut is four and half hours

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Frayling's Something To Do With Death
« on: August 21, 2007, 11:20:27 PM »
Having recently seen Frayling in the bonus features on a OUATITW DVD, I was motivated to get this book. As other readers will have have noticed, there are some errors in the book but its 570 pages are packed with quotations from Leone and his acquaintances.  Some people's recollections of events differ widely and Frayling presents these without voicing his own opinions - a bit like the films, it's down to the consumer to form his own interpretation.  Also I suppose we are dealing with imaginative and creative people some of whom have big egos and a reputation to protect. Personally I found the beginning a little dry but once the chapters relating to Leone's films started, I found it a very interesting read and there are some fascinating snippets of infomation. For example the scene where Noodles stirs his coffee for 60 seconds was invented by De Niro during rehearsals as an homage to Leone's style.

It answered a couple of questions I had re OUATIA.  One of the cast members of the film is listed as Macro/Young Macro (Massimo Liti) and until I read the book I'd no idea who this was.

For some time I had been wondering whether the events in the book "The Hoods" actually happened.  I was aware that Leone himself had expressed some doubts and he seemed to think that the events relating to the gang members when they were young were correct but Grey's recollections of the events in their adult life were coloured by things which had happened to other gangsters.  According to Frayling, Grey said that the only liberty he took was with Max.  Max didn't die in 1933 - in fact Max telephoned Grey when Grey was in his seventies to invite him on another job.  Grey's wife threatened to leave Grey if he took up the offer so Grey declined.  It turned out to be the correct decision as subsequently Max botched the job and was arrested.

Regrettably there's not much about what happened to Grey between 1933 & 1953.  Presumably he got  married, committed some fairly serious crimes, was imprisoned In Sing Sing and wrote the book with help from his wife.  He probably then became a police informer and moved to a new area under a different identity.

For anyone who has not read the book its contents are summarised below:
List of Illustrations, ix
Preface by Christopher Frayling, xiii

1  Once Upon a Time in Rome, 1
2  Bob, Son of Robert, 25
3  Hollywood on the Tiber, 49
4  Economic Miracles, 80
5  Fistful of Dollars, 118
6  For a Few Dollars More, 165
7  The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, 201
8  Once Upon a Time in the West, 247
9  Keep Your Head Down, 302
10 Entr'acte, 348
11 Once Upon a Time in America, 379
12 A Certain Cinema, 464

Notes, 495
Bibliography, 523
Filmography, 525
Index, 544-570

can you tell me where I can buy this book besides thanks

Once Upon A Time In The West / Extended Cut
« on: July 19, 2007, 12:49:46 AM »
I would like to see those 45 Mins scenes as extra on new Remastered DVD in the future   

Once Upon A Time In America / VHS TAPE VERSION
« on: June 26, 2007, 12:22:46 AM »
take a look at this french VHS cover the longest version of Once Upon A Time In Ameica

Once Upon A Time In America / DIFFERENT VERSION
« on: June 07, 2007, 11:23:31 PM »
I read the script on is little bit different from the final draft of movie plus it got some deleted scenes that movie doesn't include, the dialogue little bit different from the original movie chek it out

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: RECONSTRUCTED VERSION
« on: April 10, 2007, 07:29:24 PM »
It might of been interesting as an experiment to put everything back in but as Sergio's no longer around whose not to say, having seen everything put in, he might have said take that out etc. To have them seperatly allows us to enjoy them restored without making a 'restorers cut' of the film rather like the 2006 Pat Garett Cut.

check ot this page some intresting material about movie maybe some facts too

« on: April 06, 2007, 02:35:33 AM »
There is been rumors that Warner Bros and producer Arnon Milchan head of Regency Entertainment planning to release closest version Sergio Leone 2006 daughter of Sergio Leone Raffaella Leone had interview with italian press she confirmed here's the text below translated to the english and link to the italian original website

 - Reporter:
And you are now working on Once Upon A Time In America, isnt'it?"
 - Raffaella Leone:
"Yes, again in collaboration with Sky we retrieve forty minutes (as a matter fact they recovered only about 25 minutes of scenes) which we rediscovered: for example, a part that Louise Fletcher, Oscar winner for ' one flew over the cuckoo's nest ' which in the final was gone. Let us be clear, though: not you'll close the movie will remain what did my father. We would however show, maybe in a projection to a festival, these unpublished so interesting. Maybe presented and illustrated by someone of Grosso, type Quentin Tarantino ".

Stuart Kaminsky receive an outline for the film the outline was 200 plus pages after additional dialogue reach over 400 pages long. Sergio Leone to release movie in 6 hrs in two parts after producers force Sergio Leone reduce hours of print. The cut was almost 6 hrs according to the original shooting script, but since original shooting script was change alot in terms of financial situation, Stuart Kaminsky claims There is three versions is release in the US, the first two versions got released got very bad reviews, and there is much longer Definitive Version that had never been shown in US.

According to the dvd comentary by Richard Schickel Sergio Leone printed 10 hours of film to assemble as the initial cut of the movie which he prepare with his editor Nino Baragli down to a almost 6 hrs cut at that time, he strongly considered releasing the movie in two and three hours parts each, producers refused in terms of budget (true facts) the original shooting script was change that some scenes were in the script were never filmed.

scenes which failed to appear in the 229 Min Cut on Canne Film Festival Premiere

Deleted Scenes

The boys mug a black musician and take his trumpet

Noodles in bed with Eve and Noodles holding a gun pointing at someone

Young Noodles returns to his tenement, discovering his parents at prayer, and no dinner on the table

When his parents criticise him for being 'godless,' Noodles retorts that money is his god

A brief scene in the 1921 sequences, showing local ganglord Bugsy (James Russo) and his gang being arrested by the police for bootlegging while Noodles and his gang looked on. This would occur right before the gang's meeting with the Capuano Brothers at the harbor

The main importance of this scene would be to establish why Noodles' gang is working with the Capuanos. Dialogue from that scene indicates that Bugsy had been working with them, but since he and his thugs have now been jailed, Noodles and Co. have taken over his old job

Shots of a black limousine tailing Noodles

An ominous garbage truck, used as a link between 1933 and 1968

Senator Bailey arguing with an older Jimmy O'Donnell about a pension scam, just before Noodle's climactic meeting with the former

An opium-induced flashback of Noodles and the gang as children

Louise Fletcher as director of the Riversdale cemetery

Noodles' first meeting with Eve, and many other minor scenes with Eve. In the original shooting script, this occurs after his rape of Deborah (which happens at night, rather than early morning). A very drunk Noodles meets Eve in a speakeasy and goes to bed with her, calling her 'Deborah'

Scenes of Noodles watching Deborah performing a Busby Berkely musical scene at a nightclub, just before their date, as well as scenes from Shakespeare's Antony and Cleopatra (DVD's picture gallery feature includes an image of Elizabeth McGovern dressed as Cleopatra and holding a snake)

A scene of Noodles talking to the limousine driver before the date with Deborah. There is clear enmity between the two characters, highlighting the way in which Jewish gangsters are perceived by fellow Jews. The reason that this scene was cut was because producer Arnon Milchan, who played the chauffeur, felt that he should not have had such a noticeable role in the movie, and he did not want people to make a big deal out of his cameo

A long scene involving Police Chief Aiello (Danny Aiello) and his involvement with the strike breakers. (Some of the scene's dialogue was reworked into the brief interview with Aiello on the steps of the police station in the final version.) As a follow-up to this, a scene where the gang plans the famous baby-snatching scene with crooked politician Sharkey (Robert Harper) was also shot. Noodles wants to kill Aiello, but is convinced not to by Max and Sharkey

A brief scene during Noodles, Max, Carol, and Eve's vacation to Florida, where a lifeguard, having heard of the repeal of Prohibition, digs up a bottle of liquor from the beach and drinks it thirstily

A frisbee scene another part sequence

An older Carol (Tuesday Weld) revealing to Noodles that Max had syphilis. In the original shooting script, this scene (set between the beach scene described above, and Carol and Noodles' scene outside the Federal Reserve) also has Carol revealing the details of Eve's death to Noodles: "Oh, how she waited, but you never showed up... She shut the windows and locked the door, and nobody bothered to check. She was in there all the time, with her little capsules...there was nobody at the funeral but me." (The latter part of this scene may never have even been filmed, since Eve's death is depicted very differently in the final film)

These scenes were all shot, and the footage still exists

let's hope what else we got

I heard that TV Italian dubbed version clocking at 4 hrs 25 Min

check ot this page some interesting material about movie maybe some facts too

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