[Colt 45]

I've never seen him in a Western - just the thought of it is funny; I think of him as being the slimy noir guy, though he definitely also had some good-guy roles, such as in Jean Renoir's The Southerner  and Nicholas Ray's Born to Be Bad.

I think I have only seen him in dramas. And I've never seen him deliver a bad performance.

check out Colt 45 it may be on Netflix 

I noticed that too. Then I looked at wikipedia's page on film noir, they claim the term was first used in 1946

In France, not in Hollywood. It would be unusual for Duryea to even know the term existed in the early 50's.

no such animal then 

just saw the movie, was real good, I give it an 8.5/10

I don't think I've ever seen any of Jayne Mansfield's other movies, which were apparently made to show off her body and nothing else, but in this early movie, in which she does not show much of her body, she does show considerable acting talent.

I was able to stay awake for part of it but I just dosed off from exhaustion. Got to catch it again next go round. What I saw I enjoyed, (the burglary ad the beginning of the getaway.

[Colt 45]

The always-good Scott

Naaaahhh, he generally sucked in Westerns, check out Colt 45 with Randolph Scott.

It was discussed, the search engine just sucks.

I'd give some kudos to Sollima - The Big Gundown, Run Man Run, Damiani - A Bullet For The General , Petroni - Death Rides A Horse,  Tepepa also.

[Danger Signal (1945)]

just saw Danger Signal (1945), with Zachary Scott and Faye Emerson. It was a good movie until the end.

The always-good Scott plays a con artist/seducer who charms women, gets their money, and then does away with them. On the lam, Scott rents a room in the home of Emerson, and starts reeling her in to be his next victim, until he learns that her younger sister has some dough, and then decides to go for her instead.

The movie is good but the ending was done very poorly. Overall, I'd rate it a 7.5/10

I saw it also, Scott is his weasily self, agree 7-7.5/10.

I think, but I could be wrong, "red meat", may have meant, cheap "B" flicks for mass consumption, something the public can "chew on", as opposed to "A" prestige flicks.

well I'm glad to hear that there are some crime dramas of the "noir period" that aren't considered noir. But in that case, why do you still maintain that there are "sun-drenched noirs" or whatever? So many of those late '50's crime dramas, for example The Lineup with Eli Wallach, are just straightforward crime dramas. Even forgetting the noir visuals, there's nothing otherwise noir about it, for example no narrrow streets or alleys, no noir characters – eg. a regular guy caught in a crazy situation beyond his control, or a regular guy who made one little mistake and is no in way over his head – no femme fatale, no particularly shady or creepy dark characters - criminals, yeah, but noir criminals have something else that makes them a "noir" sort of criminal. The Lineup is just a crime drama about a gang of drug dealers, plain and simple. Ditto for many of the others late 50's "sun-drenched noirs." You can try to distinguish "red meat crime cycle" or "noir soleil" or whatever other terms you like to use, but IMO, once you acknowledge – as with Homicide – that you can have crime dramas of the 40's-50's that aren't noirs, then I don't see why you wouldn't put The Lineup (and many others like it) into that category.

(Yeah yeah, I know the term "noir" is imprecise and its hard to fit movies into a style-category easily ex post facto. To me, it seems easiest to just use the term noir for the very obvious ones, and not start going down the very slippery slope of "sun drenched noirs" like The Lineup or Ace in the Hole).

p.s. Here is another crime drama I saw that is not a noir, though this is from the very end of the noir period: Inside the Mafia (1959)
IMDB:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052927/  
TCM: http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/17175/Inside-the-Mafia/articles.html
It's a hilariously awful movie, loosely based on two true Mafia events: the Apalachin Meeting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachin_Meeting and the assassination of Albert Anastasia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Anastasia#Assassination

I wrote about the movie briefly here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=7645.msg156964#msg156964

It's just a way to classify them nothing more, nothing less.

[Delicatessen]

I feel the same way about French movies as you do about Japanese. It seems almost everything I watch that is supposed to be renowned I dislike or find mediocre.

Try Delicatessen

[Confidence Girl]

just saw this crappy 1949 movie Homicide on TCM http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041482/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

It's a 1949 crime drama so I guess it would be called a noir, although it doesn't have any noir visuals.

I guess it would be called a cop noir or something like that; the crimes occur at the very beginning of the movie and the movie is about a maverick detective doggedly pursuing the case. It doesn't feature all the high-tech police stuff so I wouldn't call it a police procedural; just about one cop going out of town to solve a case.

Shitty little movie. Helen Westcott is cute as the love interest.

I'll give it a 6/10

Its not considered a Noir, this was something you were talking about awhile ago, you were on about how all 50's crime films were considered Noirs, and I think I replied that most of the good ones were Noir and are remembered, while a lot of the rest are mundane and mostly forgotten.

I also mentioned that Confidence Girl was a good non noir 50's crime film that was available for streaming on Netflix, check it out if it is still there.

yes

Where did you see this, cj? I saw it a while ago on TCM and the print was awful

Got the Warner DVD from DJ a while ago 

I give this movie a 4/10

the kid does a great job; the other four cast members are really good actors but these are shitty roles for them. Barbara Hale and Arthur Kennedy spend the movie telling a little kid "you have to stop lying," while Paul Stewart and Ruth Roman spend the movie chasing after a little kid.

p.s. the lovely Ruth Roman is probably the only girl ever on whom I prefer short hair. This is one movie I have seen of her in long hair and it ain't the Ruth I know and love    

That was similar to my first impression, but I still rated it 7 or 8, find your inner child (you are not a parent, yet) and watch the film from Tommy's POV, it becomes a totally different animal especially if you can relate to both Tommy and his exasperated father .