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1  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re watched on: Yesterday at 04:02:40 PM
Just re watched FAFDM for a Thanksgiving treat, I probably haven't seen it in 2 years, and after just watching The Homesman, Meek's Cutoff, and new The Magnificent 7, it's comparably a complete work of art that just blows those films away with the cinematography and music alone. It's on a totally different scale.
2  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Post 1979 Westerns on: Yesterday at 03:45:47 PM
You should add Dances With Wolves. It has its problems and certainly didn't deserve to beat Goodfellas for all those Oscars, but it is, as you say, worth a shit.

What about Pale Rider? I'm not a big fan, but I suspect yopu'd want to add it to your list.

Finally, Legends of the Fall is a terrific movie, but it ain't no Western. Not even "an end of the West." Yes, it takes place in Montana, set largely on a ranch, but much of the action takes place well into the 1920's; there's none of the usual Wild Western themes. If this is a Western, so is A River Runs Through It. Neither are Westerns. Not every movie set west of the Mississippi is a Western  Wink

You just did that is what this thread is for. My problems with Pale Rider stem from the depiction of the placer miners. It's all shown like a nice little hippy commune circa 1968, it just doesn't compute, most of these camps were rip roaring hell holes and devoid of women.  The countryside in these placers would look like a moonscape and when you see the remains of of these placer mining camps today you still see the scars on the landscape.
3  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Post 1979 Westerns on: Yesterday at 03:06:18 PM
Yea, in another thread I was calling them Neo Westerns, and they should always be separated from the classics.

Silverado for me was another case of too over doing it. I'd give it a 6-7/10. And Costner hanging around like an orangutan WTF was up with that? That was sort of spell breaking for me right there, lol.

The thread that ran through every Western from 1903's Great Train Robbery to the early 70's was broken somewhere near the end of the 70's it seems. Every Western had elements of Westerns that came before, lots familiar actors, familiar faces, familiar locations. Each fed on previous Westerns.

With Silverado where were the familiar Western faces? Only one Sheb Wooley from "Rawhide", and I don't even remember his particular part. In my opinion Kevin Kline, John Cleese, Jeff Goldblum, just don't seem right belonging in a Western, they stick out like sore thumbs, at least to me, they don't seem rugged enough too metrosexual. I don't think they know how to cast Westerns anymore.

Its the same way with The Quick & The Dead you had token parts for Pat Hingle & Woody Strode and everyone else just don't seem right, aside from Gene Hackman.

The stable for Western character actors is too thin.
4  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Post 1979 Westerns on: Yesterday at 05:23:48 AM
I'll make this it's own topic rather than have it buried in the thread it originally came up in.

Westerns Worth a Shit (WWAS): The post 1979 Westerns that I've seen that I thought were either Good to OK but flawed (there are of course some more that may make the list if I catch them). I'll expand the blurbs also.

The Long Riders (1980) good Western that uses sets of acting brothers to play historical outlaw brothers still has a "Golden Age" feel.

Tom Horn (1980) good still has a "Golden Age" feel. Steve McQueen's last Western.

Death Hunt (1981) good early 1900's "End of the West" Great White North Western.

The Grey Fox (1982) good "End of the West" Western.

Lonesome Dove (1989) miniseries good - the non PC "pokeable" town whore Lorena makes it special though bad guy Blue Duck should have been a stronger part.

Unforgiven (1992) works because of Eastwood. You just know that no matter how much pig shit he's laying in he's gonna switch into "Man With No Name" mode eventually.

Geronimo: An American Legend (1993) OK - flawed should have told Geronimo's story. If you call it Geronimo you'ed think he'd have more screen time than the US Cavalry, no?  Wes Studi who was great in The Last Of The Mohicans got short shifted, too bad.

Tombstone (1993) Good - hats look a bit right out of the hatbox stupid though.

Legends of the Fall (1994) OK early 1900's "End of the West" Western/Drama.

Wyatt Earp (1994) Good but a bit too talky Costner over indulges- Quaid's Doc Holiday looks more believable than Kilmer's in Tombstone.

And Starring Pancho Villa as Himself (2003) OK- flawed Zapata Western with Hollywood angle.

Open Range (2003) OK but the "Range" in Alberta Canada was a bit way too green.

Blueberry-Renegade (2004) Good a modern Spaghetti Western feel to it with a shaman Native American "peyote hallucination" (this one got panned by the fans of the Blueberry Comic strip for not following the comic, but if you weren't familiar with it and see it cold turkey it's good.) You are either gonna hate it or like it and roll with it.

The Proposition (2005) Good "Down Under" Aussie Western. It works.

3:10 to Yuma (2007) OK effort but with no epic landscape shots, contemporary PC inserts, and plenty of WTF were they thinking flaws.

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) Good but flawed, looks good but it has these WTF, ridiculous, can't hit the broadside of a barn shootouts with legendary outlaws who you'd think during long periods between robberies would like the ranchers I knew out West who had nothing else to do would spend a lot of their leisure time target shooting and getting to know their weapons.

Appaloosa (2008) OK, but you just get the feeling that if a John Wayne, Gary Cooper, or Jimmy Stewart made an appearance they would just blow everyone else away with just their presence, but it's worth a look.
 
The Good, the Bad, the Weird (2008) Good a Spaghetti-Manchurian Eastern with an "End of the West" Western feel. Some great RR shots.

True Grit (2010) Good, better than original in the fact that it was filmed in more correct looking landscapes for the novel it was based on. It's main area of lacking is the loss of all the great Western character actors that a director could tap into that were available in the John Wayne version.

Django Unchained (2012) Good A Spaghetti-ish-Southern but with a hurried over the top flawed ending.

The Salvation (2014) Good, a surprising modern Spaghetti/Danish Western.

The Homesman (2014) Good, but still, all these overly touchy feely arty Westerns seem to be more what I'd call Woman's Westerns. They just ain't the same animal, they got a different vibe to 'em, they still don't even compare to say a Woman's Western from the Golden Age like Westward The Woman. They just got an off feel to them.

Bone Tomahawk (2015) Good but a cop out, this is what happens in this fucked up overly sensitive let's not offend anyone PC world today, the Neanderthals substitute for Native Americans who did exactly all the same brutal tortures, and butcheries depicted. Some have said it's supposed to be Sawsquatch. Western Movies are doomed.

The Hateful Eight (2015) Good but flawed, another Spaghetti-ish Western but needed way more landscapes. I had an idea once for something similar, I'll explain. My Western would have involved a summit mining town on mountain pass where a train get's stranded by blizzard and avalanches on either side blocking the tracks. So you'd have the snowbound town like Day Of The OutLaw and The Great Silence, and a stalled train with it's passengers like Breakheart Pass. You'd have the action taking place in the saloon, the whorehouse, similar to McCabe & Mrs. Miller and Deadwood, and also around the puffing steam engine, etc., etc. But I never got past the opening setting scenario.

The Revenant (2015) Good, great look but stupidly flawed, when it didn't have to be, watch The Man In The Wilderness.

The Free State of Jones (2016) OK Southern., looks good but pretty boring, sort of a Civil War within the Civil War.

The Magnificent Seven (2016) OK but keeps ratcheting up the action to the point of non stop ridiculousness. 


5  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Ulzana's Raid (1972) on: Yesterday at 04:11:23 AM
done  Afro
6  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Ulzana's Raid (1972) on: Yesterday at 04:10:26 AM
OK good, I'll combine them into one.
7  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Cera Una Volta Sergio Leone Limited Edition 7 Film Blu Ray Box Set on: November 22, 2017, 05:34:14 PM

Cool!
8  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Hang 'Em High (1968) on: November 22, 2017, 04:38:03 PM
I thought i would've already commented on this.  This was a great movie.  I tend to almost lump this movie, along with High Plains Drifter, into the 3 westerns that Eastwood made with Leone. Pale Rider is very similar also.  The plot of this movie is what stood out. Simple, revenge.  It was straight to the point and didn't try to be cute.  Not as popular as most Eastwood westerns, but i think its one of his best. It kinda reminds me of The Oxbow Incident, which MIGHT be the inspiration behind this movie because Eastwood said The Oxbow Incident is his favorite western...

The only fault was the inclusion of the love story, that was almost always in American Westerns, Leone commented of this saying that it slowed American Westerns down, think of it if it had been a Leone film, and we would have had the time to get to the last warrants that Cooper had to serve too.
9  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Furies (1950) on: November 22, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
I saw a couple of Youtube clips. Gonna go back and look at some more. Those Criterion releases ain't cheap, lol..

What the Heck, i saw a couple more clips. I think i'm gonna purchase it...lol

I'll buy them used (criterion) haven't gotten burned with any of them yet, the last two were Le Samourai, and The Killing Of a Chinese Bookie both had no problems.
10  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Furies (1950) on: November 22, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
Is this worth purchasing?  I saw that Criterion has a release of it, so i was considering it...

I liked what I saw hence the 6.5/10 even now though I couldn't tell you what it was about, I just don't recall liking it enough to buy it so I would recommend you either see if it's on Youtube or get a used DVD.
11  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Ulzana's Raid (1972) on: November 22, 2017, 03:45:16 PM
I would've thought this had its own thread already. I couldn't find one. I commented in another thread that i thought this movie looked like a Walt Disney production during its initial scenes. It turned out to be a very good movie.  The tension built up with the Indians chasing the calvery members was done very well.  This movie would make a great remake if done today. 

There are a few still out there that probably got discussed in other threads and never got there own thread attached.
12  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Baron of Arizona (1950) on: November 22, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
I caught the last 1/3rd of this film on TCM.  From what i saw, this is a great film. HARD to find. They have it over at Criterion as part of a five film box set of the director, Samuel Fuller.  Vincent Price said it was his favorite film to do. I'll give a review once i see the whole movie...

It's pretty good agreed, about a 7/10.
13  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Cover Up (1949) Christmas Noir on: November 22, 2017, 01:41:04 PM
Directed by Alfred E. Green written by Jerome Odlum, Dennis O'Keefe, cinematography by Ernest Laszlo (D.O.A. (1949), Impact (1949), M (1951), Stalag 17 (1953)) The film stars William Bendix, Dennis O'Keefe, and Barbara Britton with Doro Merande.

An insurance investigator O'Keefe goes to small town to investigate a suicide, cute meets Britton on train, town cop is Bendix. The suicide turns out to be a murder and a double indemnity payout. It's about a 6/10 notable for it using a lot of Christmas imagery.

Currently on Youtube in 6 parts five of which are still watchable, 1/6 was deleted, but somebody uploaded the whole film also but it's zoomed and sped up so you can watch the first 5 minutes of that see the cute meet and as soon as you get to the scene with William Bendix you can go to the descent 2/6 upload. It's a bit of a pain but you'll get to see it.
14  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Post your rating system here on: November 22, 2017, 11:55:47 AM
CJ, you have to make a whole new thread for your noir ratings. By your standards, any noir less than 10/10 is shit. Hell, even many 10/10s are shit  Wink

You exaggerate muchly. I don't even bother with anything below a 5/10.  Cool
15  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Post your rating system here on: November 22, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
CJ, I saw the discussions about Meek's Cutoff, The Homesman and the new Magnificent Seven which just reinforces my believe that a ratings system is completely arbitrary. I really like Jill's interpretation of it though.


Yes it's interesting to see how others grade things.

Sure a lot has to do with your personal preferences and tastes, ratings are a good barometer for others, if you've written a lot of reviews and people read them, they will get a feel for how you look at a film, and if they find themselves agreeing with you a lot, then that rating will give them a good idea whether or not they will go and seek it out on Youtube or rent it, or if that option is not available actually purchase a film, knowing that you won't get burned.

It's more helpful I guess to a readership, but wouldn't matter much to the casual reader.

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