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12811  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Did Leone kill the western with kindness? on: February 04, 2003, 04:02:25 PM
Maybe a little worse, since BL there wasn't much blood in American Cinema. I remember one critic saying about Leone, I quote, "spilling liters of fake blood" and calling the Spaghetti's "Grand Guignol" (if thats spelled right), when actually by todays standards there wasn't barely any, lol.
12812  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Which film would you have liked to be made by Leone? on: February 03, 2003, 09:28:35 PM
An interesting question, Gladiator was very good, Leone might have done it better, the recent Gangs of New York also may have been done better, perhaps Leone might have tackled a SiFi flick, they are similar in structure to westerns. I'll ponder this some more and post again...
12813  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Did Leone kill the western with kindness? on: February 02, 2003, 12:52:27 PM
Well there you go, lol, there were a lot of complaints from the establishment concerning the violence of the Spaghetti's when they first came out.
12814  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Sword & Sandal Epics on: February 02, 2003, 06:36:21 AM
A bit off the topic. Since Leone cut his teeth on these S&S Epics culminating with the "Colossus of Rhodes" lets make a list of the best of them.

I don't remember much of the "Colossus of Rhodes" if I saw it at all, but these were another Saturday matinee and TV afternoon staple back in the 50'S and 60's. I remember countless "Hercules" movies and the lower budget "Machiste" flics, along with "Jason and the Argonauts", and the "Clash of the Titans".

Here is my short list skewed to the more recent examples with two TV mini series that are right up there thrown in (Ive left out Cof R until I view it again):

1. Gladiator
2. I, Claudius (tv)
3. Spartagus
4. Ben Hur
5. Odysseus (tv)
6. Clash of the Titans
7. Barabus
8. 300 Spartans
9. Jason and the Argonauts
12815  General Information / General Discussion / Re:The Books on: February 02, 2003, 06:13:37 AM
Ok great, now we need some volunteers to give us a synopsis of each to give us glimpse of the further adventures of Blondie and Tuco.

It would be an entertaining thread to keep going.
12816  General Information / General Discussion / Re:And Speaking of Books on: February 02, 2003, 06:08:45 AM
Thanks I'll add that to my library.
12817  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Did Leone kill the western with kindness? on: February 02, 2003, 06:02:24 AM
Thats good well call the mixed westerns "Soft Spaghettis" and the originals "The Al Dente!"

Leone was innovative in the genre and his particular style unforgetable, but with the realistic depiction of violence and the end results and physical effects to the human body (blood and bullet holes) is a hard genie to get back into the bottle.

Pre Leone, some one would get shot at close range and he'd just stand there with no visible bullet holes and either slowly sink to the ground or give a dying soliloquy.

So we have to remember Leone not only changed the western but also the depiction of violence (Peckinpah caught Leone's pass and ran with it, lol).

This is hard to realise if you have not watched many movies before the 1960's.
12818  General Information / General Discussion / And Speaking of Books on: February 01, 2003, 12:49:26 PM
If one wanted the ultimate library on the subject of Leone and the SW, what would you include?

I Have:
Spaghetti Westerns, Christofer Frayling
Sergio Leone, Christofer Frayling

what else?
12819  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Here's A Skill Testing Question For You All... on: February 01, 2003, 12:19:30 PM
I just saw it too!, I didn't catch the Ed Mcbain reference but I remember the Sweetwater reference, so It had to be one of the John Wayne movies I squirmed in my seat through, withinin the last few weeks. Lets see, "Son's of Katie Elder", was one "McClintock" was another, there was a few others too, and one was a non Wayne western, don't remember for sure.
12820  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:THE PONCHO... on: February 01, 2003, 12:09:25 PM
Lets just analize the use of the poncho for a minute. What western hero was ever clad in a pancho before Leone? I can't think of one off the top of my head. In Hollywood western code the poncho wearer would be always type cast as a Mexican peasant or a banditti, definitely not the hero or in our case anti-hero. In Fraylings book it was said that Leone gave Clint the poncho to broaded him out, what a lucky choice of unforgetable costuming. It cloaked his identity, which played on our "brainwashed" asumptions that poncho wearers were born loosers, masked his gun drawing agility, and hid the iron breastplate, among I'm sure other things that I'm forgetting.
12821  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:The Greatest single moment in a Leone film on: February 01, 2003, 11:39:43 AM
The corrida three-way shoot out definitely is the greatest moment in a Leone film. The music the closeups and the editing, I can think of anything that comes close to that sequence.
12822  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Did Leone kill the western with kindness? on: February 01, 2003, 11:33:22 AM
That's a good story, lol.
12823  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Il mio nome Nessuno aka My Name Is Nobody (1973) on: February 01, 2003, 11:32:13 AM
This one was a little hokey for me, more comedy and not as plausable (espcially the shots of the what seemed like 5,000 wild bunch, lol) I just don't rate it up there with the others.

For me anyway as soon as a SW pushes the reality envelope, I loose a little respect for it. For example I think it was maybe "Sabatta"?, that had the gun hidden in the banjo, or the troop of acrobats, or maybe both, that was to me more "Wild Wild West" ish. Take it with a grain of salt.
12824  General Information / General Discussion / Re:I have heard rumors... on: February 01, 2003, 11:23:54 AM
MARKGPL, couldn't agree with you more, sounds like we had the same general experience and in the same time frame. I liked the TV westerns up to that time too, BL (Before Leone), I was partial to Rawhide, Have Gun Will Travel, Lawman, Tombstone, etc., etc. But AL, forget it. Even now I'll watch the oldies now and then, they had some great scenery and some good action, but I just can't take the melodrama or some of the diologue anymore, lol.  Wink
12825  General Information / General Discussion / Re:The Books on: February 01, 2003, 11:15:09 AM
Thanks Ramon, I Think I read the "Blood for a Dirty Dollar", rings a bell, I wonder how many in total there were. Also what kind of deal the author had to create such works and what kind of parameters he had to work within.
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