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12886  General Information / General Discussion / Re:What is your favorite Film? on: December 21, 2002, 05:45:16 PM
Caius, that's what I've been saying all along te westerns before Leone's were pretty much run into the ground just rehashed plots, Leone brought the anti-hero to the forefront.
12887  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re:Submit your Top 10 movies,Leone et al. on: December 17, 2002, 03:37:35 PM
1. The Good the Bad & the Ugly, 20+
2. For a Few Dollars More, 20+
3. Blue Velvet, 5+
4. Gladiator, 5+
5. Last of the Mohicans, 5+
6. Seven Beauties, 5+
7. Leon (the Professional) 5+
8. Swept Away 5+
9. The Pink Panther 10+
10. La Femme Nikita (French Version) 5+
12888  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:THE PONCHO... on: December 16, 2002, 08:53:54 PM
FAFDM I would say late 1870's- early 1880's, FOD would be the last in the timeline, the machine gun used by Ramon has to date it closer to the turn of the century.
12889  General Information / Trivia Games / Trivia Question on: November 27, 2002, 04:27:10 PM
Name the similar shots and the Leone Movies they were used in?

And  part two, what do you think is the signifigance of them?
12890  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Box office dollars on: November 27, 2002, 04:08:40 PM
Ok, so lets figure it by most bang for the buck, for x in expenses it returned y in dollars that would be a good comparison, for those with the figures to do it.
12891  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Tuco can't take a joke on: November 27, 2002, 03:58:16 PM
70 miles of desert with no water is brutal, Tuco was lucky.
12892  General Information / General Discussion / Re:What is your favorite Film? on: November 27, 2002, 03:42:56 PM
Of the three FDM, OUTITW is more a homage to the traditional western, FDM is a great spaghetti western and the spaghetties for me are above the others.
12893  General Information / General Discussion / Re:James Coburn Dead at 74 on: November 20, 2002, 06:09:00 AM
Sad, we are loosing them one by one.
12894  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Did Leone kill the western with kindness? on: November 17, 2002, 10:36:34 AM
I suppose another way to get what I’m driving at is that since I’m speaking of what it was like pre Leone for those who weren’t there is to imagine the scene from Stanley Kubric’s “Clockwork Orange” where Malcom Mcdowell is strapped into a seat with his eyelids propped open and he’s forced to watch scenes of ultra violence.

Now place yourself in McDowell’s place and instead of being subjected to ultra violence being subjected to western scenes of the ultra maudlin, sentimental, weepy, saccharine, schmaltzy (take your pick). To try watching some of these pre Leone westerns now is pure torture. lol
12895  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re:Other Favorite Non Spaghetti Westerns on: November 17, 2002, 10:09:23 AM
I guess I should have stated palatable non  Eastwood westerns, Clint definitely has the edge over anything else, lol.
12896  General Information / General Discussion / Did Leone kill the western with kindness? on: November 16, 2002, 08:20:39 AM
After years of predictable Hollywood formulaic fare, then the inundation in the 50’s and 60’s of TV western shows, the genre was quite tired. As a kid I would devour any and all westerns, many on Saturday and Sunday afternoons, things were carved in stone, black and white, you knew the bad guys from the good, who was going to get the girl, who was going to win the draw, who was going to ride away into the sunset.

On a Saturday afternoon in the late sixties in New York City, I stumbled onto “For a Few Dollars More”, and it was never the same.

 Leone arrived on the scene with the uber western, and like James Coburn was quoted saying in the recent Leone tribute something on the order of, Leone made the western which was already big and made it “BIGGER”, essentially amplifying all the codes taking familiar faces and clichés from what came before and twisting them into wonderful new extravagances. The disdain that he showed for the use of pretty faces using grizzled, leathery, weathered characters also stands apart from modern demographics oriented westerns that from time to time show up at the cinema.  Leone also injected the shades of gray real life ambiguities into his films that culminated in what was called at the time the “anti-hero” and since then, the genre has all but withered away. Morrecone’s fantastic scores have never been duplicated

Personally I have as they used to say in the old west have “seen the elephant”  for me Leone was the pinnacle of the mountain, nirvana,  the copy cat spaghetti western frenzy that followed essentially did the same thing to Leone that he did to Hollywood, and they eroded the western down to nothing. You could say that Leone tributes killed the western with kindness, and the flood of spaghettis buried it. I have yet to see a modern western that side by side can compare with Leone, Eastwood’s flawless “Unforgiven” was good but he is still one of Leone’s disciples.

My two cents, what do you guys?gals think? I don't know if the atmostphere or the setup was the same in Europe or the rest of the world at the time, or just unique to the US, I assume that the flood of television westerns was not a factor as it was here.
12897  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re:Thoughts on this film on: November 16, 2002, 06:35:26 AM
I haven't seen this one in such a long time, and I never  saw it in a theater, only a pan and scan video, a shame!
12898  Films of Sergio Leone / A Fistful of Dollars / Fistfull on: November 16, 2002, 06:22:53 AM
This movie I actually saw second, and a year after I stumbled into a theater with my cousin on a Saturday afternoon and watched "For A Few Dollars More", we were litteraly blown away, after beging brought up on hollywood fair,lol.

Fistfull ran in a double bill with FDM, on Times Square, no other westerns but Leones measure up any longer.

12899  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Theatrical Showings on: November 16, 2002, 06:07:29 AM
There was a time of Leone mania in New York City, at Times Square Theaters they would run back to back Leone westerns. You could catch 2 or even all three Man with No Name classics in a single afternoon nes paper theater adds would scream "Spend a Day with Leone, or the Man With No Name". Occasionally they would have others mixed in "the Big Gundown", "Death Rides a Horse" etc.  Smiley
12900  General Information / General Discussion / Re:THE BEST SERGIO LEONE FILM... on: November 16, 2002, 06:01:42 AM
For me it is also GBU, it is a wonderful adventure of three magnificent rouges. Tuco is great and always entertaining. The true test is watching these films in a theater with an audience and GBU had the most satisfying audiance responce.
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