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1  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Wee f*** of a revolutuion in Ireland. (??) on: March 23, 2017, 03:28:01 PM
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Before the Easter Rising (the anniversary of which is in 3 days time) there was no "revolution" in Ireland.  
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No, if the Easter Rebellion had be a "Revolution", they'd have won, not been captured and imprisoned/executed. Not by the proper definition.


There was no  "technical" revolution in Ireland until their winning of their free state in 1921. But, rebellious/revolutionary activities went back 800 years. Technically it was all civil war until 1921.

The only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is the FF won. Imagine; George Washington losing? Being  named historically, a : "terrorist"? Shudders....
2  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Zapata Westerns on: March 23, 2017, 03:12:45 PM
Did some research--it seems General Pascual Orozco headed a counterrevolutionary group of red-flaggers ("Colorados".) This is Not explained in any Zapata western But is very important to continuity. Also, the Battle of Conejos ("Rabbits") actually occurred--so, I decided to keep "Villa Rides" and not sell my DVD online. Afro
3  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Last Book You Read on: April 15, 2011, 09:27:07 AM
I haven't found a copy newer than 1945 in the  US.  The FE/FP wasn't Too expensive on Amazon, considering it was in great shape. Will try again. .

 I know Hitler loved  one of my favorites;  "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" (1935); he had it translated and published in German. Perhaps he was trying to show the ultimate downfall of Western Imperialism thru greed?( The book is Mucho deeper than that, Adolph! )The author had a German name...no one l knows for sure about him, he was reclusive: Bruno (B.) Traven.

EDIT: Just saw some 1989 Hardback 1987 Paperback editions of TEAI.   The  1989s cost more than a couple of 1945 FE/FP Hard backs listed.  Odd...I know I didn't pay $28 for mine... Undecided
4  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Most Versatile Actor/Actress? on: April 15, 2011, 09:22:35 AM
Oh, I forgot Lon Chanel (Sr!)  Slap my Hand!   Cry But, then, he Did always play a horror role.

 I am looking for actors that break out of the stereotype. (Eastwood never did--not cutting him down, I Like him. But, he is only good as a Tough Guy.)

Didn't Muni play in a Charlie Chan movie?  ( I know Sidney Toller did the character usually) And in,  "I was a Prisoner on a Chain Gang"?
5  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DUCK YOU SUCKER SEAN/JOHN on: April 15, 2011, 09:16:37 AM
I'm pretty sure the United Irishman calls him John. But I assume that's a British-run paper and they might not wish to honor an IRA man with a Gaelic name.


Mmmmm---maybe. But I'm sure since they put a bounty on his head, they'd do their jolly well best to get his name right. Huh

I'm just so glad we cleared up the identity of John's Moto-Seeckle. Smiley
6  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Elizabeth Taylor RIP on: April 14, 2011, 10:56:17 PM
Strange how her better roles were playing hookers...  I finally saw a shot of her with Michael Todd; he looked like Kirk Douglas!

I rember reading her born in  Tehran, Iran; not London, England. Huh.

In "Coffee, Tea, or Me"', a stewardess was intimidated by the presence of Liz and Dick on her plane, but said they were polite and  actually quite nice and friendly. Dick had a real poor complexion with acne scars--Not a handsome man unless you like them  rugged.
7  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Last Book You Read on: April 14, 2011, 10:41:20 PM
The Egg and I --Betty MacDonald, 1945.  It is too bad this book is hard to find except in its first edition/first printing, as it has So many amusing insights. A simple. refreshing book. Very off-the-cuff and honest.   A true story--it seems odd  now  that she Names her neighbors By Name--the Kettle's actually existed! These days, there would be lawsuits or million-dollar royalties  paid by the movie companies to them.  The word abortion and "tits" are used a lot by Ma Kettle--pretty shocking for that day and age. Betty MacDonald recalled  wincing at her language
8  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: April 14, 2011, 10:33:33 PM
The chase scene in Bullit was too unrealistic..a stock mustang outrunning a Dodge Charger.  The Mustang would definitely out-handle it, yes.  Then, the stereotypical explosion of the Charger...most times, cars Don't explode--it was obviously touched-off by special effects.

Last  Movie: Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.  Ok   Roll Eyes--very few sequels even Approach the original.

TTLUTS--probably Disney's best movie-! Great Sunday afternoon Faire. (But, were were right up to the screen--submarine looked Wierd  going by-!:Smiley)  . bit better if he left out "cutesy" scenes, like the seal and  some musical "trill" any time someone/something just Budges...clams snapping  to music, etc. Afro Afro

Hi Plains Drifter--what a Switch for Eastwood!  Continued in Pale Rider--very Biblical connotations. Eastwood is cast as a Gideon or a Grim Reaper. We discussed HPD in high school philosophy class--he was like a Christ who had returned from 3 days--but,  to thank  and protect the downtrodden who had been loyal ( the midget and the obvious Mary Magdalene character) ; and to avenge himself on those who turned away. I , again, dig Eastwood's historical accuracy in Pale Rider, possibly he carried it over from Leone's influence: the percussion Remington  revolvers, the accurate sluice boxes,  first use of dynamite, etc--obviously 1867 or so. Afro
9  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Most Versatile Actor/Actress? on: April 14, 2011, 10:23:29 PM
Cast your vote for the most versatile actor, or, actress, of your opinion.

I, myself, am torn between James Cagney, Tom Hanks, Robert Duval, Sean Connery,  and Danny DeVito.    I give Coburn some Kudos, too.  I don't give Eastwood any, as his attempts to play romantic parts., "Paint Your Wagon", "Bridges of Madison County" are wimpy...he is best as the tough guy.

10  General Information / General Discussion / Re: John Wayne on: April 14, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
In the Playboy  interview, even Wayne admitted he did about 50 movies, "thirty of them, stinkers". A lot  he also admitted were stereotypical horse operas. He especially  hated having to sing--Gene Autry, that "singing hillbilly" as Wayne called him, was dubbed in. He was doing some P/R for the movie and was outfitted with a guitar. He was highly embarrassed by  being asked by kids to "sing". Also in the interview, he resented "The Wild Bunch" 's violence-the "chicken livers thrown by special effects men", etc. Yet, in "Big Jake", written by the Fink Brothers, who also wrote "Dirty Harry", we see an awful lot of gore for a Wayne movie. Perhaps the most.  He also made a racist remark in the interview he could never live down even though he later apologized.

  I  usually agree--I like an actor/actress for their Work;  I try not to let their personal life/politics color my judgment. Like, who Cares if George Takei is flaming gay?-  At   least, he doesn't act that way on screen, like Robert Vaughn in "The Magnificent Seven" (I Hate Him!)

  I loved a  lot  of  Wayne's  movies, but he acted  so childish in some, like "Liberty Vallance". Poor baby can't get the girl, so he gets drunk and burns his hacienda.  Jimmy Stewart was the true hero of that one.  Wayne could almost have been written out--except for the immortal line: "Pil-grim!".   I often wondered if he had a small mental problem, being the character he was made to act as.  I enjoyed him better when he was later portrayed as more human--like in "Big Jake"; when he  actually admits to being scared, and his eyes get big when his gun clicks empty. He also  grudgingly admits to the advantages of 20th-century technology-- after all,  Chris Mitchum's scope  rifle and automatic pistol saved his life.  My biggest beef is, as always, is his Historical  in-accuracy (not really Wayne's fault) .Accuracy was started by Leone. I resent seeing the Duke carrying an 1892 Winchester around in every movie--even when it's supposed to be 1862 Mexico...   Leone's influence colors modern Westerns to this day: "Silverado", "Tombstone", etc. The weapons and clothes are vintage; 1873 Winchesters and tall, Montana peak hats. I see in old photos where about half the cow hands seem to be wearing four-fluted, sombrero-like,  flat-brim hats that look Exactly like the later Army Campaign hat. Anyone who lives in the South West prefers a big, flat brim--the sun is brutal. NOT a small curled-brim--these are a much more modern style, preferred in the North to let rain run off quickly. Impractical in the SW.

He had to play a drunk in "True Grit"  to get his only Oscar--he probably would have gotten a lifetime achievement anyway. Come to think of it,  Lee Marvin had to play a drunk in "Cat Ballou" to get his--but, He could Sing... Roll Eyes

I think I enjoy  Wayne's work better when it is based on a book than a screenplay written especially for him.

One advantage Wayne had over Leone--Location. Even Leone couldn't import a vintage American 4-4-0 Steamer...he was forced to use European trains in Spanish locale.  I personally try to ignore the obvious chain-and-buffer locomotives and concentrate on the rest of the movie.  At least Leone got a vintage Harley in "Duck, You Sucker" , rather than  try to pass an obvious  Yamaha 400 as in Wayne's "Big Jake". Ring-ding-ding... Roll Eyes
11  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DUCK YOU SUCKER SEAN/JOHN on: March 18, 2011, 09:25:11 AM
Yeah, possibly.  Who's to know for sure? What was Leone thinking? Afro

 I still believe he is blown away by the "destiny". Oh, Well, It's just a movie. Wink

I'm not here to argue like the idiots on BombShock or Shadow R/X.  Those guys try to argue FACTS.  So stupid... Roll Eyes
12  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DUCK YOU SUCKER SEAN/JOHN on: March 18, 2011, 07:27:54 AM
Frayling has said (I believe in the film commentary) that "Sean" is an Irish form of "John"


 Yes, we all know that. . I know a Sean Scheinmann, it's a Celtic/Gaelic form of "John".   It's possible he "slipped out" "Sean" as cover..or..his accent.
 My closed caption says: "John".

The Irish call it "Irish", but the Scots/Welsh call it "Gaelic". It's the same language. Sean Connery is Scottish, his name is a  Gaelic version of John...



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In all the books Coburn is named Sean Mallory and Warbeck only as Sean's friend

In the James Lewis Book, "john Mallory" is his  name. "Sean Nolan" is his friend.  Coburn is not named.

I'm unaware of any other books--do you have authors? Smiley

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Juan looks confused since it is an Irish name which he never heard of before, and says "huh?".

Juan says:  "What's  your name?", then; "What did you say your name was?".   He is astonished, as his name is Juan--like the destiny, as he later says.

Oh, well. It's just a movie. Wink  Dinnae  mean to argue on St. Paddy's day. . Just pointing out the one book.
13  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Joe Kidd (1972) on: March 17, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
I liked the twisted plot--sort of like the end to "the Professionals"--Kidd  didn't want to simply be a  hired killer.

Also, the anachronism of the aging Kidd--the Mauser Pistol ,etc.  (NOT a "machine pistol"--these were Rare, and had regular magazines). Similar to Wayne's character in "Big Jake", faced with the new Bergman and high-powered, scoped rifle.

Also, the accuracy of the sniper attack on Kidd and Luis Chalma--you see the  muzzle fl;ash, Then a man falls, Then you hear the report. Smokeless powder rifles do this. This is Unlike "Quigley"Down Under", where and old black powder rifle, at 800 yards, would have to be held"off the mark"--it would take 3  seconds for a black powder bullet to reach a target at that distance. Selleck makes it look like no delay at all. Totally bogus.
14  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Zapata Westerns on: March 17, 2011, 10:11:29 PM
Most Zapata westerns are "fun"; not accurate. Even though "Villa Rides" was said to be based on a book, how come there are Federal troops ("colorados")  still around and fighting when Madero is in office?   Villa was very progressive, though--it was just like him to first suggest airplanes as an attack weapon. "Viva Villa", although the first, was frowned upon by the Mexican government, as they were afraid Beery would make Villa look like a buffoon--he had just played a clownish Long John Silver in "Treasure Island".  The actor originally playing reporter Johnny Sikes (based on Jack Reed) was deported after drunkenly pissing on a column of Mexican soldiers that   paraded past his hotel.  "The Wild Bunch" talks of "using them (airplanes) in the war";  when it is 1913. So  does "Villa Rides"--"gonna be a war, soon"--in 1912, in either case,  when no one had a clue. The few that told history well were grim--"They came to Codura"; "Viva Zapata!": "And Starring as Himself, Pancho Villa"; and "The Old Gringo" (one of the Few which had a character resembling Villa.) The "Young Indiana Jones" episode has a good grasp of history--those tired of war, period, who simply want to raise their chickens. This sentiment  is in DYS, too.

A real fun one, beautiful cinematography, was "Bandido" (Robt. Mitchum.) It  was shot in the  Northern Mexico deserts, the forests, jungles, Aztec pyramids, and seashore (Acapulco.) Should have got an Oscar for  its sweeping landscapes--like "Shane".
15  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DUCK YOU SUCKER SEAN/JOHN on: March 17, 2011, 09:47:33 PM
Coburn plays John H. Mallory, as seen  in the clipping from   The Independent Irishman.

His slip of "Sean"   could be interpreted as "John"; the accent could cover it.

Sean Nolan is his friend in the car, at the tree,  and  in the bar.
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