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1  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final flashback on: Yesterday at 07:08:07 AM
We have Warbeck's take on the final exchange between Mallory and Nolan:

Yes, but it's very clearly platonic.
2  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Sonatine ("so-na-she-nay") on: March 08, 2018, 06:43:14 PM
I remember enjoying this. It's been a while though. BTW, it's closer to an English "ch" than an "sh" in the middle which would be written differently in Japanese.
3  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final flashback on: March 07, 2018, 09:47:23 AM
The final flashback reveals an Edenic time when Mallory, Nolan, and the Girl existed in a perfect ménage à trois.

Leone's take (from Simsolo's "Conversation" book) was indeed that they shared the same girl and this wasn't just about liberalism and free love but also that the girl was symbolic of the revolution that they wanted to embrace. There's indeed nothing about falling out over the girl.

I have heard the theory that the lyrics “Sean Sean Sean” are for the three “Seans” - Nolan is Sean, and Sean is also the Irish version of John’s and Juan’s names

That's really far-fetched IMO

What's interesting is that only the French release seems to have contained the full flashback. Given the meticulousness with which Leone prepared the French version, one can only assume that he wanted the flashback in there. This then begs the question about why it wasn't then in the Italian release. Did Leone have to bow to external pressures beyond his control or did he indeed remove it himself and then have a change of heart when it came to the French release?

His comments in Simsolo suggest that he was upset that it had been cut in most territories. So whatever the reason for Leone removing it from the Italian version, he clearly wasn't happy about it being removed in the end and wanted it back in.
4  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final flashback on: March 07, 2018, 06:55:56 AM
Posters over at are reporting that this contains the audio errors of the MGM disc  Sad
5  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Leone season April BFI London on: March 06, 2018, 10:09:00 AM
Nice - the program says they are showing Duck you Sucker in 35 mm too.
6  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 2018 Awards Season (for 2017 movies) on: March 05, 2018, 05:31:00 PM
It was great to see Roger Deakins finally get his Oscar. I suppose I'd better make an effort to watch the new Blade Runner  now - it's a shame I missed it in the theaters.

It's a shame Cimino is no longer around to have seen all "The Deer Hunter" clips that were played when Christopher Walken was presenting.
7  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Phantom Thread (2017) on: March 05, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
There were and there are always people who use creatively what they can get, and others don't.

Modern cinema is as amazing as it was in the best years of every decade before.

Sure - in certain cases that is indeed the case. I would venture to suggest that it comes down to acute self-awareness on the part of select industry veterans and their very careful mentoring of the younger generation.

It's actually a very broad issue that goes well beyond the film industry to cover the rapid growth of technology in many other areas of life too.
8  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Phantom Thread (2017) on: March 04, 2018, 04:00:54 AM
just like Word hasn’t make writers stop thinking before they write.

Nor would returning to using kinetoscopes suddenly boost creative potential

You can still sit around and think exactly how long you need.

Of course you can. That's the point.
9  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: "OUATITW: Shot by Shot" by Frayling? on: March 03, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
There's no mention at all of the book on the website of the Angelo Novi estate either:
10  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Phantom Thread (2017) on: March 03, 2018, 05:59:10 PM
Lesley Walker put it more eloquently than me:

Because [electronic editing] is so immediate you sort of rush at it like some lunatic, instead of slowly going through it. It takes your thinking time away and I find that annoying... I like to look at it and sit and think about it. The Avid and me are not the greatest pals, really, in that way. I do move around, I do take more breaks but it actually breaks my concentration, whereas I would never take a break while I was cutting on film, because my breaks would be wandering over to the trim bin, to put a trim up.

11  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Phantom Thread (2017) on: March 02, 2018, 12:28:54 PM
the technology wasn't ready for Leone's talent and love for total control of his imagery and sound. He would have gone so far if he had had access instant replay, almost unlimited takes, programmable technocranes and digital audio mix with its unlimited number of tracks.

I disagree. Improved technology has made things significantly easier to achieve, but has concomitantly destroyed creativity. When you have to endlessly go over the same material or processes to achieve a desired result, you get a much better feel for it and better appreciate how to manipulate and shape it. Nowadays, it's all done so easily that people just are able ti move on to the next thing before really creating anything special at all. If anything, Leone's films would have suffered in today's technologically superior world.
12  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Phantom Thread (2017) on: March 02, 2018, 09:54:00 AM
Raw, rough, creaking, aggressive and let's say it, almost Leonian sounds such as the breakfast ones are the sounds associated with Alma and what she brings to the table. Remember how she is introduced to us more by sound (Alma enters the dining room and noisily stumbles on a table).

True, and while it was done well, it was nonetheless a very predictable approach. Reynolds likes his silence and Alma disrupts it - what better/other way to show it? Leone's use of sound was less automatic - there was nothing in the plot or characters dictating that he had to do it in that way, but his choice to do it that way created an atmosphere in his films that has never really been equaled.
13  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Phantom Thread (2017) on: March 01, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
The real surprise is how terrific it sounds and the extent sound is used as the main storytelling tool here.

Excluding the amusing use of accentuated natural sound during moments when DDL wants silence over breakfast etc, can you give some other examples?
14  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Orson Welles on: February 28, 2018, 04:38:59 AM
What we know is that he contributed dialogues and shaped his character, not that he actually directed some of his scenes.

As I said above, the theory that he directed some scenes has been largely debunked and is quite disrespectful to Reed. That Welles contributed dialogue and shaped his character is no different from what he seems to have done in any film that he actually cared about and wasn't just doing for the money.
15  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Orson Welles on: February 27, 2018, 04:09:26 AM
Welles made at least some contributions to the 3rd Man, re-wrote some of his lines...

I think he did that in a lot of the films he acted in

I just finished reading Josh Karp's excellent book "Orson Welles's Last Movie: The Making of The Other Side of the Wind" (2016) and am now very pumped for this release.

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