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1471  Films of Sergio Leone / A Fistful of Dollars / Re: The poncho on: July 28, 2009, 05:56:36 PM
very good deducing  Afro

1472  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Joe Kidd (1972) on: July 28, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
Too bad Eastwood withold the film at its initial release from the US/UK,
so no nice English promo-material does exist..

While preparring WHERE EAGLES DARE Eastwood saw the film in Europe. He was so impressed that he bought the English/US-Rights. But unfortunately not to distribute the film but to remake it. The result was JOE KIDD. Yes, no KIDDING Smiley. You still see Silenzio's MAUSER C96 gun. Even their hats look alike. Duvall is the Bounty hunter leader (Kinskis part), Saxon represents the 'outlaws' in the mountains...

I think it's a perfect example of what the Italians were capable of doing in the 60's. SILENZIO became an inspired classic while JOE KIDD is another example of the mediocre (not: bad) US-westerns of the 70's. The secret was to do something really special and not fool around with good ideas (although a silent Eastwood would never have worked. So that 'Special' was totally lost. AND they withhold the film from so many people for ages. Back in the 80's I constantly bugged people in the UK and the US because they never heard of the film and talked big of really 2nd rate Spaghettis which had a bigger release in the US and therefore were known (but not really representative for the good ones).

As for Eastwood, I'm not the only one who knows that. I thought some input here would be welcome, but it seems I better back off before it becomes hostile.

He saw it while being busy with WHERE EAGLES DARE in Europe. That one was shot in winter/spring of 68 in Austria. As well as SILENZIO in the Italian mountains some 100 miles away. I was only 8 months back then, don't know what he did on Sundays back then... Maybe he visited old grounds, Cinecitta in Rome, around that time and saw an early screening. A journalist told me 20 years ago Eastwood saw it in London while doing post on WHERE EAGLES and the Italians brought new IW's to town hoping to find distributors/buyers for the UK/US market.

I know people who know him, a couple of more entries and I'm motivated enough to go through the trouble of finding out the whole story... Oh, the book is called CLINT EASTWOOD-HOLLYWOODS LONER by a british film historian, don't know his name right now and the books are in another building... But as I said before, that story isn't unknown at all. My best buddy worked for Corbucci in his later years and although he never saw JOE KIDD he knew that story too.

As for the rest, I could only repeat myself. Eastwood didn't distribute because he didn't aquire the rights to distribute (after all he's not a distributor), but to remake the thing. Not an uncommon practice in the business, buy the thing so nobody will see it while we make it all over again... JOE KIDD has elements, again, it was mentioned before by me.. Sure it's a different film. But Tarantino's remakes look different too, don't they.

Mike, I copied your postings from "The Great Silence" thread cos they were more relevant here.

If you haven't read it already, Alex Cox talks about this issue again in his new book "10,000 Ways to Die." I had never actually heard about this before reading it there.
1473  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: Voice Actor for the Captain on: July 28, 2009, 05:45:29 AM
His name was Paul Frees.

A guy called Anonymous at SWWB thinks the following:

Bernard Grant was the voice for Volonte in both FISTFUL OF DOLLARS and FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE.
He was also the voice for Aldo Sambrell in NAVAJO JOE.

Voice talent records do not show Paul Frees as doing the voice for Volonte in the US English version of BULLET FOR THE GENERAL. They do, however, show Grant as the voice actor. And it is obvious that it is the same voice as used in the Leone films.
1474  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DYS and the OUAT Trilogy on: July 28, 2009, 05:35:36 AM
Some interesting recent observations from a member called The Highweed Kid at SWDB:

Blondie in GBU is already younger than serape-wearing Blondie in Fistful of Dollars or For A Few Dollars More.  GBU was made last, but chronologically, it is the first in the series.

To prove my point:
GBU - Civil War Setting, including 1851 and 1860 revolvers.   

FOD and FOAFDM - 1870s or later setting, Colt 1873 Peacemakers, Winchesters, etc.

In GBU, Blondie wears a duster and a broad brimmed light colored hat through most of the film.  He did not yet own the serape and brown hat and other clothes. He gets his brown hat and vest and other Man With No Name clothes from Angel Eyes, and he gets his serape from the dying soldier.   In GBU, we see how The Man With No Name started out.    I would think that it is obviously chronologically first!
1475  Other/Miscellaneous / Web Site Announcements / Re: A potential way to improve the SLWB on: July 27, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
There was a brief discussion about this over here with the most recent posts being the following:

... I personally think it would be nice to have a separate section for all movies in which Leone is known to have been directly involved because it gives a more complete picture of his life's work.

Right now the 'other films' section includes everything from "The Last Days of Pompeii" to "Transformers 2". I think a separate section for Leone-related films would be preferable. Off the top of my head, I would suggest including the following to which many more could be added (obviously the level of involvement varies considerably):

Sodom & Gomorrah
The Last days of Pompeii
My Name is Nobody
Cemetery Without Crosses
Bicycle Thief

Or Other Films could be retitled Other Western Films, which is how it is actually used. Non-Western threads end up in Off Topic.

Are you trying to say all films Leone ever worked on deserve their own board? I would vehemently disagree with that, if only because there are so many and there would be little point - I doubt there'd be much discussion about Sodom and Gomorroah or The Last Days of Pompeii. After all, look at how little discussion there is on the COR and FOD boards.

The Other Films board is restricted primarily to Westerns. Other films are posted on the OT Board. I see no problem with this arrangement.

No, just a single board for "Leone-related Films" that is separate from the "Other Films" section where just about anything is discussed.
1476  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: Irish Locations on: July 27, 2009, 06:31:05 AM
1477  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DYS and the OUAT Trilogy on: July 27, 2009, 06:27:12 AM
I never thought it was a classic trilogy sharing characters or plot, but there's obviously a ethereal yet very ambitious bond between OUATITW, DYS and OUATIA, so I say that it is, or at least I consider it to be, for what it's worth.

Yes I agree, and I think Leone viewed it that way too after he had completed the OUAT trilogy. In Simsolo, he says it was only with this trilogy that he really was able to fully display his own style exactly as he wanted. Regardless of any plot connections, there is certainly a very clear division in visual style between the two trilogies.
1478  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DYS and the OUAT Trilogy on: July 24, 2009, 06:34:26 PM
Leone said it. ("Conversations avec Sergio Leone", Noel Simsolo)

Yeh, you're right. I thought I'd read that somewhere before but I read the Alex Cox book much more recently.

Good point.  Also I've heard that Leone would change his viewpoint or alter stories over the years.

I've just re-read the relevant section of Simsolo again where Leone describes it as if he intended it to be this way. He actually ties it in really nicely with a discussion of the triel in the circular arena with the trilogy then also forming a complete circle as Clint rides off to begin his adventures in FOD.

He also says that he had the graveyard constructed around the circular arena to make it seem as if all the corpses in the graveyard were the spectators.
1479  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Eli Wallach Interview on: July 24, 2009, 09:51:40 AM
Yeh, he seems really honest and likeable.

His book is a great read, you should check it out.
1480  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Sergio Leone OUATIA Interview (RARE) on: July 24, 2009, 09:45:35 AM
Hmm, weren't you from Italy?

Not the last time I checked.

That guy (I didn't get his name) asked Leone, because of so many poor peasants that in the past emigrated from the parts they both originated from (Naples, Southern Italy), was it a good thing at all that Columbus discovered America, and Sergio Leone answered him that in his opinion what really happened is that they exported peasants but at the same time imported back gangsters.

1481  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DYS and the OUAT Trilogy on: July 24, 2009, 09:40:15 AM
DYS would seem to work better as a continuation of GBU. 

Alex Cox suggests that Clint's picking up of the poncho towards the end of GBU may be viewed as signifying the stage before his arrival at the beginning of FOD wearing the poncho.
1482  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re: DYS and the OUAT Trilogy on: July 24, 2009, 09:37:20 AM
Yeah, I don't exactly see the Once Upon a Times as a real trilogy. The films don't have any real connection with each other and claiming DYS fits into a trilogy "that touches three periods of America" is rather a stretch.

Actually, I'd always viewed the trilogy as Leone's broad yet localized take on the development of America: the Wild West of the late 19th century; the Mexican revolution of the early 20th century; the second wave of immigrants in the first half of the 20th century.
1483  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Eastwood '67 TV Interview on: July 23, 2009, 05:55:03 PM

I just posted it and Titoli replied saying it had already been posted here so I removed it.
1484  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Man with a Harmonica Rip-Off on: July 23, 2009, 03:38:25 PM
In any case it's no more egergious than Morricone's rearrangements of Amapola for OUATIA...

I thought Amapola was pretty much used as it is with no suggestion of a Morricone rearrangement?

...or the Ride of the Valkyries in MNIN

I've always liked Morricone's takes on Für Elise in The Big Gundown and Genius too.
1485  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Man with a Harmonica Rip-Off on: July 23, 2009, 09:05:59 AM
Zimmer re-using his own music from Gladiator in POC is not allowed by copyright (exept in some cases) and is anyway NOT ok with me.

Well all composers have their distinctive musical characteristics. However, check out Mars by Holst which is where Zimmer may well have got his inspiration for Gladiator - they are strikingly similar in places
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