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61  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: The Mercenaries (1968) on: August 11, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
Intelligence in Where Eagles Dare?   Sad

Oh come on Stanton. That line when Clint Eastwood says "What?" to Richard Burton when everyone is around that table literally speaks the mind of the audience.
62  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 70mm on: August 11, 2017, 08:25:56 AM
Unfortunately I haven't seen any of the three films you mention apart from "The Social Network" which I saw on an airplane and so doesn't count.

I totally agree regarding color grading, but the simple fact is that you cannot replicate film digitally. While I far preferred "The Revenant" as a film, "Carol" should probably have won in 2016 for Lachman's beautiful 16mm cinematography if it is treated in its strictest definition of photography by excluding camera movement:

Now Lachman was of course going for an old look which ties into your "doesn't always" point, but the fact remains that a digitally shot and digitally projected film lacks something even if it is supposed to be set in some clinical future sci-fi world.

In terms of the end result, shooting on film is the most important factor as a HQ digital transfer of that will look great; as far as a night out at the movies goes, then projecting film is also important. The best night I've had at the movies in about a decade now is going with my wife to see "Repo Man" and "The Warriors" as a 35mm double-bill at the Prince Charles Cinema in London's Leicester Square. One of the 35mm films broke during the screening - the projectionist apologized profusely and offered refunds to anyone who didn't want to wait around while he stuck it back together - I don't think a single person asked for a refund. Now that was a night out at the movies!

63  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: August 11, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
I was just listening to the BBC World Service where they were talking about this and speaking with some of the people. It's getting some great media attention.
64  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 70mm on: August 10, 2017, 10:33:58 AM
1) There are more than different aesthetic purposes as you imply. Recent Fincher movies are meant to have a modern, digital look, for instance. As is anything shot by Villeneuve. Some could argue that many, if not most contemporary movies are in this case. "FILM > DIGITAL" means absolutely nothing. "The right tool for the right job" is a clichť, but at least it is 100% true.

I can't argue with your logic here. However, and maybe I'm showing my age a little, I expect to see a film-like texture when I watch a film. When it's missing, I personally find it too artificial looking. In a few years/decades, maybe no-one will care, but I was brought up watching film and that is what I want to see. To give a comparison, watching something shot digitally that would have been far better suited to film is as annoying to me as when you watch an HDTV with "motion smoothing" turned on - something just looks really wrong.

2) You are also implying that film vs digital is what will impact the most the look of the movie - technology wise. Have you seen every Scorsese movie since The Departed? All of them have a digital look to me, while ONLY The Wolf of Wall Street used digital cameras. At this point in time, by experience, I'll say that camera brands, lenses (perhaps the most defining element of your final look), filters and color grading have often much bigger impacts.

I didn't mean to imply that, and no I'm not as much of a Scorsese fan-boy as you Smiley

3) In some cases, the 70mm screening is what makes the difference. A close friend of mine will never shut up how Miami Vice looked gorgeous when screened in 35mm (while being filmed in digital, with a very obvious and consciously constructed digital aesthetic). I have seen the Hateful Eight 3 times now: 70mm screening, home cinema, HDTV. Nothing came even close from the 70mm screening.

Yes - you need to go to a good place with a projectionist who knows what they are doing. Film projection is an art in itself. Is that what you mean?

4) "When money and time are not part of the equation", the lights (or the absence of lights) you want to use to tell your story - another element that will definitely have a bigger impact on the end look than any "iPhone vs IMAX 70mm" choice - can also dictate the recording media you'll use.

I think my response would be the same as point 2. I would just add that digital has democratized film-making incredibly which is of course a good thing even if it doesn't always allow for the best results in my opinion.
65  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / 70mm on: August 10, 2017, 09:55:28 AM
With Nolan's release of "Dunkirk", Iíve recently been hearing/reading lots of thoroughly unconvincing comments about why 70mm (and, more broadly, film) matters. So I thought Iíd post here why it matters to me.

Firstly there are two distinct things going on which are mutually exclusive since you can have the former without the latter:

-   shooting in 70mm
-   screening in 70mm

Shooting in 70mm is arguably the one that makes the most difference. Since film is a tangible object (unlike a digital file), it produces a texture or ďgrainĒ that gives it a certain appearance; digital simply captures the light (and the artificial addition of grain by no means does it justice). 70mm film gives a more detailed picture than 35mm film which in turns gives more detail than 16mm etc. Each serves a purpose, so while 70mm is viewed as the "gold standard" so to speak, it is not always better than 16mm which can serve its own aesthetic purpose and is not always used instead of 70mm for budgetary reasons. Regardless, all are preferable to digital when money and time are not part of the equation.

Since a film shot on 70mm can be distributed digitally as 4k and above with little, if any, perceptible loss of quality, financially there is a good argument for promoting this. However, if you have a digital projector in your house (not an HDTV since these cannot handle motion Ė the now moribund plasma technology was the best at this but still inadequate), there is little reason to leave the house unless you want the giant screen or the change in ambiance. The argument about watching something shot on film in a very high quality digital format is similar to the vinyl-record versus CD argument. However, while the degradation of vinyl with use can impair the listening experience, the slight scratches, flickers and audio pops that develop on film give it its own distinctive identity much like the grain mentioned above when shooting. As weird as it sounds, while I donít necessarily want to watch a beaten-up piece of 70mm film as opposed to a newer one, I donít necessarily either want to watch some 70mm film until it has been broken in a little first (kind of like a pair of shoes).
66  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 10, 2017, 08:07:35 AM
It's called "rolling shutter", basically instead of each frame being scanned as one whole piece, strips of the frame are scanned in segments, resulting in a very "digital" look, and the mondo disc has many instances of the "wobbling" effect this causes. Also, each of the glue splices on the negative causes every edit to "jump".

Thanks for the technical info - very interesting Afro
67  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 09, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
I can't wait to see the final JUNIOR BONNER Blu-ray I co-produced with them. It SHOULD be flawless. Should.

Now that's what I'm looking forward to  Afro

If you're like me and prefer the longer version to the US theatrical version, the Special Edition DVD is fine

In my book, the only one really worth watching is the longer version minus the grotto scene, so I was never the target for this new release anyway. I'll stick with the most recent MGM blu-ray with mono audio until someone releases a version without the grotto scene so I don't have to skip it with my remote  Grin
68  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Baby Driver (Edgar Wright, 2017) on: August 04, 2017, 01:06:02 PM
Yeh - that figures.
69  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: August 04, 2017, 08:48:21 AM
It's actually a red dress, and ditto for the peekaboo one she wears in The Big Heat, you get clued in from the posters.  Afro

I honestly thought it was black, hahaha... In my mind they're just black, it's sexy as hell Cheesy

Surely the color on the posters is not necessarily related to the actual color and just the choice of the artist?
70  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Baby Driver (Edgar Wright, 2017) on: August 04, 2017, 07:06:17 AM

Not that they didn't clear the Simon and Garfunkel song "Baby Driver"; rather, T-Rex's "Deborah" (which is kind of important to the film).

Surely there must be more to this story than sheer ineptitude. Maybe who holds the rights isn't quite a clear as the article is making it out to be.
71  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Bone Tomahawk (2015) on: August 03, 2017, 01:13:58 PM
A rather scathing review here in that respect:

Itís also difficult for me to imagine that a movie thatís so well-made and well-conceived in basically every other respect is so willfully ignorant about its bad racist symbolism.

A more sympathetic comment here suggesting that maybe the opposite was the intent:

" ...although it touches on larger issues like the racism and ignorance of the Old West, it doesnít use the Troglodytes as metaphor the way it might have."
72  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Upcoming TCM schedule on: August 03, 2017, 01:04:05 PM
What makes them any better than the ones shown during the other months of the year? The performance of a famous star can rarely carry an otherwise poor movie. I'd rather hedge my bets on a good director than a good actor.
73  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Dunkirk (2017) - Christopher Nolan on: August 02, 2017, 09:55:48 AM
There's no IMAX on home video.

More to the point, there's no 70mm on home video.
74  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Upcoming TCM schedule on: August 02, 2017, 09:54:22 AM
Yeh me too, but for your average movie viewer it's the star that pulls them in and hence why the stars get paid so much.
75  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Dunkirk (2017) - Christopher Nolan on: August 01, 2017, 03:15:59 PM
Like I said earlier, 70mm IMAX is going to be "real" IMAX. Digital IMAX might be "real" but it might be "fake".

Surely there are places here you can find this out on the internet. If not, play it safe and go watch a nice 70mm presentation. That's probably what Nolan would want you to choose given his insistence on 70mm anyway.
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