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1  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: October 03, 2017, 06:47:37 PM
RIP  Grin
2  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: September 01, 2017, 01:14:01 PM
Great. I'll get back to you with the list in the next few days. Thanks.  Afro
3  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: September 01, 2017, 11:10:56 AM
That's a good question. Although it won't shed any light on this, we had a couple of people fluent in Italian and French provide a direct translation of the dialogue of the film in their respective languages. (We also had the French language track translated because Leone was fluent in French and oversaw its development.) Surprisingly, at first glance there seems to very little divergence in the details as compared to the English dialogue, which suggests that Mikey Knox did not stray from the original Italian dialogue too much. I'll start another thread about this when I've completed my analysis.

I'm also curious how many takes were required for the actor who read out the list of charges to NOT burst out laughing.
4  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: September 01, 2017, 10:28:44 AM
I don't have a copy. A friend I have been emailing has it. I can ask him if there's anything you want to know about it.
ideally a capture of the VHS would be great. If that's not a possibility then I'd like to confirm that it comes from the same source as the CBS/Fox LD. (Although that crude cut is probably enough verification). I can send you a list of distinguishing features of the CBS/Fox LD that he could look for on the Intervision VHS.
5  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 31, 2017, 02:03:44 PM
That's interesting about the CBS LD. In the UK an early VHS by Intervision had the same crude cut you mentioned.

Le Bon, do you happen to have a copy of the Intervision VHS?

I've been looking into this a bit over the past few days. The early LD/VHS/beta tapes are a curiosity because of the fact that they sometimes provide important clues about the history of the handling of the film by the companies prior to MGM's "homogenization" in the late 90s/early 00s with their Extended Edition.

According to IMDB the film was released by several companies in the early 80's:



Lost Media Archive provides some more info on the (small) distributors, which might explain why that crude cut is seen on the UK Intervision VHS (1980) and CBS/Fox LD (1983):

6  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 31, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
Here's a link to a video captured on my phone:

https://vimeo.com/231886345

Password: GBU
7  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 28, 2017, 11:28:48 PM
That's interesting about the CBS LD. In the UK an early VHS by Intervision had the same crude cut you mentioned.

This one?

http://www.videocollector.co.uk/good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the/30150
8  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly: 50 Years Later on: August 28, 2017, 04:22:59 PM
For the Italian opening credits Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef, respectively, immediately follow Clint Eastwood. All 3 names are shown during their respective close-up shots.

The International Cut opening credits are all the same (US, German, French, Spanish); Eli Wallach "in the role of Tuco" is credited at the end.
9  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Lost scene - script and pictures on: August 27, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
From another thread...

I seem to remember that in the novelisation of GBU Angel Eyes comes across the aftermath of a battle (at Apache Canyon i think) and takes the uniform and papers from a body. The novel was taken from the shooting script as it  also included how the money came to be buried at the beginning.

I'll have to check the original Italian script for this scene.
10  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Lost scene - script and pictures on: August 26, 2017, 12:47:54 PM
And here's a PROPER translation from Peter Hanley:

Valverde. A sign, POST OFFICE OF VALVERDE (seen in the film), provides a clue to the historical location of the scene. Angel Eyes appears on the scene and looks in the direction of an elderly man, who makes a gesture to him, saying, “Psst . . . Hey!” Angel Eyes heads for the elderly man and we see a postal stagecoach loaded with luggage, and there is a group of travelers in front of the Post Office. The elderly man says to Angel Eyes, “There’s someone here with some news for you . . .” He leads him to the corner of the Post Office building, where there is a “half man” (with both legs missing) sitting on some wooden steps. The man is wearing a gray Confederate jacket and an old, torn military cap. The elderly man says to the cripple, “Start talking . . .” Cripple: “Friend, ever since I’ve lost my legs, I constantly have thirst.” Angel Eyes sticks his finger in his waistcoat and throws a half dollar to the man. The cripple catches the coin with his cap, and then places the cap, together with the coin, on his head, and continues, “Okay, friend, ever since I gave up dancing [interestingly, in the film, the sign on the building behind Angel Eyes and the “half soldier” is inscribed BALLROOM MUSIC-HALL], I always sit here and I see everyone who comes by. One day, about three weeks ago, I saw this guy and said to myself, ‘This face is very familiar and looks like the bastard Jackson [called Carson in the script].’ He was with me in the 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles under Captain Baylor. I called out to him, but he said that I must be mistaken and that he is Carson [Dik Russel in the script]. He gave me a donation and I pretended that I believed him, but I tell you, I would bet a leg, that means an arm, that he was Jackson.” Angel Eyes replies, “Did he tell you where he was heading?” The Cripple replies, “Towards San Antonio or Santa Fe, to serve under some guy called Sibley. And I think he was serious judging by the crazed look in his eyes.” The driver of the postal stagecoach calls out, “Departure!” Angel Eyes tosses another half dollar to the cripple, and heads off towards the stagecoach. The rest of the scene (second foiled hanging) is similar to the film, except that the conversation between Angel Eyes and the middle-aged woman (sitting opposite) takes place inside the stagecoach.
11  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Lost scene - script and pictures on: August 26, 2017, 11:38:06 AM
Here's the excerpt from the original Italian script crudely translated from German (don't ask) using Google Translate. I have made no revisions whatsoever. The translation is clunky but as you can see there's no backstory in the original version of this scene.

VALVERDE - (outside, day)

A sign announces: POST OFFICE OF VALVERDE. In the CLOSE-UP an old acquaintance of us comes: Banjo; He looks towards ...

A man wrapped in rags, who gestures with a gesture.
OLDER
Psst ... Heh!

Banjo goes up to the old man, and through his movement we discover, before the Postoffice, the stagecoach, on which we end the loading with luggage, as well as the group traveler, who is preparing to enter.
Banjo reaches the old man who says:
OLDER
Here is someone who has news for you ...

The old man leads banjo to a corner of the post office building. Sitting on the wood steps, with crutches on the sides, the trunk of a man. Half a man, with both legs missing. He wears the gray jacket of the confederates and an old and torn military uniform on his head. Turning to the cripple, the old man says:
OLDER
Speech ...

CRIPPLE (to Banjo)
Friend, since I've lost my legs, I'm constantly thirsty.

Banjo puts his fingers in his vest and throws him half a dollar.
The cripple, with his beret, hangs the half-dollar out of the air, and puts the cap with half a dollar in his head while he says:
CRIPPLE
So, friend, since I stopped dancing, I'm always sitting here and see all those who are here. One day, it will be three weeks, I see a guy and tell me this face is not unknown to me; It is very similar to Carson's pig. One of those with me at the Second Texas Mounteed was Rifles under Captain Baylor. I call him, and he wants to wrench me all the way. He says I'm wrong, and he's called Dik Russel. He gives me one, and I pretend to believe him. But I assure you that I would put a leg, that is, an arm on it, that the Carson was.

BANJO
And did he tell you where he wanted to go?

CRIPPLE
In the direction of San Antonio or Santa Fè, to go there to the crazy Sibley. And I think he meant it seriously, as his eyes looked quite fanatical.

The driver of the stagecoach is standing on the deck:

STAGECOACH BAR
Departure!

Banjo tosses the cripple another half a dollar and moves toward the coach, while the cripple in his back continues to babble:

CRIPPLE
I do not understand the taste of the people. And yet there is a bunch of madmen in this world. For my part, even if I were a centipede, I would whistle ...
12  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Lost scene - script and pictures on: August 25, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Does Peter Hanley's book, which provides excerpts of the original Italian script, shed light on the original dialogue between AE and the half soldier?
13  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 25, 2017, 11:07:51 AM
The Italian RAI TV broadcast presents the Italian home release cut (to be expected) yet English opening credits are used (very unexpected). Huh

It appears the TV prints were cobbled together using whatever elements were available/provided. Some of the early home release versions (VHS and LD) were sourced from these elements as well. For example, the 1990 MGM laserdisc had Italian onscreen titles yet it was the International Cut. There is an 80's Warner VHS that had Italian onscreen titles when the 3 characters were introduced but used English titles at the end. The 80s CBS LD used an Italian print that was crudely edited to conform to the International Cut. It has a crude cut where the first few seconds of the "6 is the perfect number" scene is visible before it cuts to Tuco in the boxcar, presumably to allow for the music to play to its entirety as the train leaves the station. These are some examples off the top of my head.
14  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 10, 2017, 11:45:30 AM
Lil Brutto, can you please either replace your profile pic or delete it?  Right now there is a big fat ugly graphic that says that the picture is unavailable.

Thanks  Smiley

Fixed. Thanks.

...I assume that it is impossible to get the color of the Mondo the Blu-ray disc without the problems that that image has. So I'd say that for the longer version, we use the image from the MGM DVD, the English mono audio (available on this Kino release and on the piss BRD from 2014. If there is any possible way to add the Frayling commentary (currently available on all BRD's but not the DVD) that would be awesome  Afro Afro

A very skilled fan has already created the International Cut using the Mondo BD image as the primary source and original mono track from the MGM LD. It was released in early 2016 and is available online if you know where to look.

Project Info:

The goal of this project is to quickly recreate the International Cut/US Theatrical Cut (IC/TC) of The Good, The Bad and the Ugly in High Definition.

The 4K Blu-ray (BD) was rejected as the video source because even though it had the best detail, the colors, contrast, gamma, shadows, highlights are ruined beyond the ability to successfully fix. So the wonderful Italian Mondo BD was used instead. The movie cut is synced to the 1993 laserdisc which is the last time the IC was on video (not counting VHS). Even the 1998 DVD/LD is a restoration, incorporating shots from the Italian cut never seen in the IC.

Video:
The Italian transfer from the Mondo BD cut down to sync with the 1993 laserdisc of the International/US Theatrical cut. Additional shots from the US 4K and older Extended Edition BD.

Audio:
The PCM mono from the 1993 laserdisc in PCM 2.0 format.
15  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 09, 2017, 08:53:03 PM
Yeah, we need someone to make a serious fan edit  Wink

Agreed. At this point only the fans can do this film justice.

Make Sergio proud. Wink
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