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1  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kitty scene dubbed on: Yesterday at 08:26:00 PM
Right, called Sentenza in international versions.  So what is the Italian (translated) for the line "I bet they don't call you Angel Eyes.  Sergent Angel Eyes", then Tuco laughs.  What would be the joke if Sentenza didn't have a nickname?

It took me a few years but I finally had an Italian colleague provide me with a direct translation of the Italian dialogue (of the BD) in order to see what tweaks Mickey Knox made to sync the English dialogue with the actors lips. Answer? Some minor differences. The Italian and English dialogues are mostly consistent.

Anyways, here's what he had to say:

As for Van Cleef's character, in my script I translated his nickname as "Death Sentence", it's a two-words nickname like "Angel Eyes" was, and it's basically a direct translation of the nickname in the Italian dialogues, which is what I was asked to do with this text.
2  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 16, 2018, 11:57:32 AM
I should mention that any conclusions based on the research etc is a product of lots of back and forth discussions between Lil Brutto and I.

The great part is that the research continues! There's still much to learn about this film. In particular we have many unanswered questions about the Italian cut. Jordan and I are still trying to put together the pieces of a very complex puzzle that are the 2 documented versions of the Italian cut:

1) What version was shown during its initial 1966 theatrical release? Our 1966 Italian print indicates that it's not the version that's been available on home release (e.g. CVC DVD, Mondo BD, etc etc) in that country since the Italians restored the film around 2000.

2) There's also the enigmatic 1969 re-release version that we call the "censorship cut" because the film was apparently edited for violence to reduce the age restriction from 18 to 14. The sole source of info is that documented by the Italian censor board but it is inconsistent and confusing.

I can't speak for Jordan but I have an unsubstantiated theory that the 1969 censor cut is the same as the US theatrical/International cut based on clues from various sources. I won't elaborate because it's speculation at this point but our tireless/stubborn effort to shed more light on the history of this film will hopefully lead to a breakthrough.

As for the colours, Jordan already said that he wasn't focused on perfecting the color timing of the 35mm prints in his fantastic comparison videos. That remains to be done. However, it's pretty damn close to where it needs to be and is certainly gives you a good of how the film looked in theatres in the late 60s. Yes, there's some green and yellow in the image, as well as leathery (but not jaundiced) complexions and lots of blown out skies. NO green skies and NO green teeth!!

Cineteca di Bologna commissioned L'Immagine Ritrovata to restore the film around 2013-14 (Press release link: http://www.cinetecadibologna.it/areastampa/c_1175). This is the restoration seen on the 2014 MGM BD with the excess yellow/green cast. Yet last summer I came across a website that took high quality pics of an IB TECH print in Cineteca di Bologna's possession, which I presume served as a color reference for that restoration: http://zauberklang.ch/filmcolors/galleries/il-buono-il-brutto-il-cattivo-1966/

It sure doesn't look like the final product, does it? Yet it's quite consistent with our prints despite not being color corrected:


3  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 15, 2018, 03:37:32 PM
I have a theory about that.
I believe that comes rght at the reel change (remember them?)
I remember seeing this in a theater that was playing a pretty beat up print and there was a skip where they changed reels.
SO, maybe they used a release print as the source of the home video version?
brm

You're correct about that scene coming at the reel change but it still doesn't explain why one format (98 LD) includes that footage but the other format (98 DVD) does not.

Here's a link to Jordan's site that compares the various versions of the hotel scene:

https://vimeo.com/221519241
4  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 14, 2018, 04:56:26 PM
FWIW some copies have sold for 80 - 90 dollars!

That's the 1998 LD, which is essentially the same as the DVD released that same year, which presents the "amalgamation cut" that Jordan Krug talked about in an earlier post. "Essentially" because, for some reason, this LD includes the bit where Blondie holsters his pistol after he guns down the 3 bounty hunters who capture Tuco, whereas the DVD mysteriously does not. The 98 LD apparently sells for more because it is much less common than the 1990 LD.
5  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 14, 2018, 10:34:39 AM
What's your definition of "big bucks"? At this time eBay has the 1990 MGM LD for as low as $19 shipped. I've seen it sell for less (around $10) in the past.

It's a dime a dozen issue with numerous copies available on eBay all the time. It is also included, along with FOD and FAFDM, in the 1993 Clint Eastwood Trilogy LD Boxset that can be found for cheap as well.

Nearly 30 years after its release it is still the closest thing to the International Cut.
6  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Pemiere Classics (french magazine) on: January 19, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
I doubt there are any revelations in there but it's nice to know that this film continues to get the attention it deserves.
7  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: October 03, 2017, 06:47:37 PM
RIP  Grin
8  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: September 01, 2017, 01:14:01 PM
Great. I'll get back to you with the list in the next few days. Thanks.  Afro
9  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: September 01, 2017, 11:10:56 AM
That's a good question. Although it won't shed any light on this, we had a couple of people fluent in Italian and French provide a direct translation of the dialogue of the film in their respective languages. (We also had the French language track translated because Leone was fluent in French and oversaw its development.) Surprisingly, at first glance there seems to very little divergence in the details as compared to the English dialogue, which suggests that Mikey Knox did not stray from the original Italian dialogue too much. I'll start another thread about this when I've completed my analysis.

I'm also curious how many takes were required for the actor who read out the list of charges to NOT burst out laughing.
10  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: September 01, 2017, 10:28:44 AM
I don't have a copy. A friend I have been emailing has it. I can ask him if there's anything you want to know about it.
ideally a capture of the VHS would be great. If that's not a possibility then I'd like to confirm that it comes from the same source as the CBS/Fox LD. (Although that crude cut is probably enough verification). I can send you a list of distinguishing features of the CBS/Fox LD that he could look for on the Intervision VHS.
11  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 31, 2017, 02:03:44 PM
That's interesting about the CBS LD. In the UK an early VHS by Intervision had the same crude cut you mentioned.

Le Bon, do you happen to have a copy of the Intervision VHS?

I've been looking into this a bit over the past few days. The early LD/VHS/beta tapes are a curiosity because of the fact that they sometimes provide important clues about the history of the handling of the film by the companies prior to MGM's "homogenization" in the late 90s/early 00s with their Extended Edition.

According to IMDB the film was released by several companies in the early 80's:



Lost Media Archive provides some more info on the (small) distributors, which might explain why that crude cut is seen on the UK Intervision VHS (1980) and CBS/Fox LD (1983):

12  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 31, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
Here's a link to a video captured on my phone:

https://vimeo.com/231886345

Password: GBU
13  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: August 28, 2017, 11:28:48 PM
That's interesting about the CBS LD. In the UK an early VHS by Intervision had the same crude cut you mentioned.

This one?

http://www.videocollector.co.uk/good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the/30150
14  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly: 50 Years Later on: August 28, 2017, 04:22:59 PM
For the Italian opening credits Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef, respectively, immediately follow Clint Eastwood. All 3 names are shown during their respective close-up shots.

The International Cut opening credits are all the same (US, German, French, Spanish); Eli Wallach "in the role of Tuco" is credited at the end.
15  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Lost scene - script and pictures on: August 27, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
From another thread...

I seem to remember that in the novelisation of GBU Angel Eyes comes across the aftermath of a battle (at Apache Canyon i think) and takes the uniform and papers from a body. The novel was taken from the shooting script as it  also included how the money came to be buried at the beginning.

I'll have to check the original Italian script for this scene.
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