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8341  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Rio Bravo (1959) on: February 04, 2011, 07:48:09 AM
Rio Bravo is my favorite American Western of all-time 10/10 Afro

with a wonderful score by Tiomkin.

and o btw, the film kills High Noon, which I always believed to be very overrated

RE: the criticism of lack of landscapes/scenery:I think one of the purposes is that we should feel the claustrophobia of Chance and his deputies holed up there all paranoid; I think vast landscapes would have taken away from that

I usually hate love aspects of a movie, unless they fit really well into the movie; but I think this one fits very nicely, and Angie Dickinson is really good here. so are Dean and Ricky. The comic relief with Walter Brennan and Pedro Gonzalez-Gonzalez is very good.

8342  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949) on: February 04, 2011, 07:37:11 AM
"She Wore A Yellow Ribbon" is a very good movie (as far as its place in Ford's Cavalry Trilogy: it is not as good as Fort Apache, but better than Rio Grande).

titoli and Groggy: what's with all the hostility toward Victor McLaglen? I think he was a hilarious and wonderful actor. I love watching him!
8343  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Stagecoach (1939) on: February 04, 2011, 07:30:14 AM
Stagecoach is the earliest great Western that I've seen Afro

Jesse James was also released in 1939 (actually a couple of months before Stagecoach -- and in Technicolor!) and I really liked that movie too. I have not seen a good Western that was released before 1939. (I'm only counting sound movies; I haven't seen any silent movies, except The Great Train Robbery)
8344  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Two Mules for Sister Sara (1970) on: February 04, 2011, 07:23:47 AM
This is the sort of movie that if it's playing on tv, you can keep the channel on and watch it.

I'd give it a 5.5/10

Morricone's main theme is funny
8345  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Unforgiven (1992) on: February 04, 2011, 07:18:46 AM
I think this film is very overrated
8346  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Wild Bill (1995) on: February 04, 2011, 07:16:49 AM
My 2nd worst Western of all-time (worst is The Quick and the Dead)
8347  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Wyatt Earp (1994) on: February 04, 2011, 07:14:08 AM
Ok getting "Gunfight at the OK Corral" last week and a short time before that picking up "Tombstone" sort of piqued my interest in "Earp" related films, so while at the local video rental shop the other day I rented Costner's "Wyatt Earp".

So far now I've seen Ford's "My Darling Clementine" (1946), Sturges' "GatOKC" (1957), Sturges' "Hour Of The Gun" (1967) Perry's "Doc" (1971), Cosmatos' "Tombstone" (1993) and Kasdan's "Wyatt Earp".

The only film I'm missing that coverd the events around the OK Corral is I believe Cahn's thinly veiled "Law & Order" (1932). Other films depict Wyatt Earp as a cameo type character (Winchester 73) but I'm just really concerned with these films depicting the famous shootout.

This one was a tad long basically a biopic.....

To be continued.....

There were also two films in the 30's entitled "Frontier Marshal," though I have not seen them and I'm not sure how much they focus on the gunfight at OK corral
8348  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Secret of Convict Lake (1951) on: February 04, 2011, 06:40:06 AM
saw this recently. pretty good film
8349  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: Cinema Detective Question - El Paso Archived Newspaper Binder on: February 04, 2011, 04:17:15 AM
Generally, it's hard to definitively "prove" anything about dates: there are some anachronisms with weapons in the Dollars trilogy, and as cigarjoe mentioned above, Tucumcari first became a town in 1901.
 If I had to guess, I don't think Leone was too concerned about dates/timelines. After all, he was making "fairy tales for grownups"  Wink
8350  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: I often agree with what Frayling says, but... on: February 03, 2011, 05:31:30 PM
Watch GBU again.

GBU definitely has some serious themes, but I still think that DYS is a far more seriously-themed movie than any of Leone's previous works
8351  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: I often agree with what Frayling says, but... on: February 02, 2011, 08:55:58 PM
Similar to what cigarjoe said earlier: The other changes are very minor relative to the changes in DYS. And DYS has far more emotional depth and seriousness than any of Leone's previous films.
In the Dollars films, its all about the fastest gun and lotsa gags and stuff isn't meant to be taken seriously. but the personalities and changes in DYS are indeed very, very serious.
The characters in the previous films do not undergo the same sort of change that could in any way be compared to that of the characters in DYS. Therefore, I would respectfully disagree and say that Frayling's analysis was correct.

on that note, wouldn't it be awesome if we could get Frayling to join this forum? Someone said he posted here once or twice, but it would be great if anyone has contact with him and can get him to join as a regular contributor!
8352  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: my 2 worst Westerns: THE QUICK AND THE DEAD (1995) and WILD BILL (1995) on: February 02, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Yea both are pretty bad, but there are PLENTY others.

I have not yet seen any Spaghettis other than Leone's, but from what I hear, there were lots of really awful Spaghettis (and plenty of bad Hollywood Westerns as well, I'm sure).

I also recently saw two John Wayne Westerns that while not awful, I did not think were all that great: "The Sons of Katie Elder" and "3 Godfathers" (though to be fair to the latter, I was unfamiliar with the "three wise men" tale before I saw the movie, so I didn't "get it"; perhaps my opinion on the movie would have been different had I heard that tale before I saw the movie).

And I just saw -- and did not love -- "Two Mules for Sister Sara."
8353  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: February 02, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
I enjoy having my integrity as a Western fan impugned on occasion.

To borrow a phrase from Peter O'Toole (not applying to this film of course), I see it as "a comedy with tragic relief." There are some "straight" scenes but they're definitely the minority of the film. And who said comedy can't have serious elements, anyway?

of course, a comedy can have serious elements, and vice versa. no movie has to try to fit perfectly into a particular label/genre. But it depends on how it's done. Usually at least I like to get a feel of whether the movie is a serious one with comic relief, or a comedy with serious elements. I think "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" tried straddling the line and you never can quite get a feel for what it is. Hard to explain it in a tangible way; it's just a feeling I get.

And I was referring to the belief that GENERALLY, I think the movie does better with non-Western fans than with hardcore Western fans. No intent to impugn the Western cred of any of the distinguished Leoneites (or is it Leoneistas?) on this forum :-)

btw, i've come to realize that bad movies do not bother me nearly as much as ones that are good but overrated Wink
8354  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: February 02, 2011, 04:21:35 PM
I think Butch Cassidy is pretty straightforward in its silliness. I wouldn't say "schizophrenic" applies when there's little serious content.

well, if it was a straight comedy, I wouldn't have minded as much. i don't think you can call it a straight comedy either; it's not like eg. "My Name Is Nobody."

Take for example the scene where the girl says that she'll do everything for Butch & Sundance, except "watch you die." That is a very serious and somber scene, and no comedy/silliness there. There's lots of stuff that just doesn't fit together.

Of course, even serious Westerns can have comic relief; eg. Leone's films are full of gags. But it's the WAY it's done more than anything. "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid" just crossed that line into silliness/comedy while retaining some level of seriousness, which bothered me.

I would bet that hardcore fans of the Western genre do not like it nearly as much as those who are not hardcore Western fans.
8355  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: my 2 worst Westerns: THE QUICK AND THE DEAD (1995) and WILD BILL (1995) on: February 02, 2011, 04:13:41 PM
The Quick and The Dead was the first Western I ever saw. I hated it so much, I decided that the whole Western genre sucked and swore I'd never ever watch a Western again (!)

Several years later, I watched GBU, just cuz I heard that it was a famous movie (I first heard of it cuz I am a huge Metallica fan, and they always come out to Ecstacy of Gold; I am also a huge Seinfeld fan and it was mentioned on an episode); I did not even know it was a Western till I started watching it! Well, my opinion of Westerns changed drastically after that  Smiley
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