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8461  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: The Patriot (2000) on: March 13, 2011, 02:37:16 PM
haha Isaacs was great. As was Tom Wilkinson, who played Cornwallis.

It'd be interesting to see how I felt about the movie if I watched it again now, after having not seen it in about 7 years... btw, I heard that they released a "Special Edition" dvd with some extra scenes added back into the film. I am wondering if you have seen that version, and whether there is any significant difference between that one and the original?...
8462  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Quick and the Dead (1995) on: March 13, 2011, 02:30:45 PM
Maybe I haven't seen enough (bad) Westerns. Or maybe I just had a tough time handling the violence, considering it was the first Western I ever saw. (I actually had a real tough time handling the violence in FOD the first time I saw it; specifically, the massacre of the Baxters. I could understand one killing or two, but I couldn't understand how anyone could enjoy a film in which the whole town seems miserable and everyone ends up dead. I did a complete 360 by the second viewing  Wink )
8463  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Looks like we're going to get 40 more minutes of OUATIA on: March 13, 2011, 02:15:03 PM
that would be a real downer, if my whole wait is for naught... Though if that were to happen, I'm sure there will be copies pirated immediately in America, with the extra scenes added in the proper places to the original film  Wink
8464  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / The Patriot (2000) on: March 13, 2011, 02:07:56 PM
The Patriot - 6/10 - 4th viewing.

The Enforcer - 7/10 - Thin on plot but the action scenes are great, especially the Alcatraz finale. A middling Dirty Harry entry.

1. as a teenager, The Patriot was my favorite movie for a long time. must have seen it at least 50 times (that is not a misprint -- though not always straight, sometimes in bits and pieces) in the first 3 years after it was released on video. Interestingly, the scenes of the British atrocities were very controversial, with many claiming they were historically false. And some felt particularly outraged that the director Roland Emmerich, who is German, was using the British to depict atrocities that were more closely associated with the Nazis. (see eg. ) To be clear, I have no opinion either way on whether The Patriot was historically accurate; I am no Revolutionary war historian.

Much as I despise Mel Gibson personally, I think he delivered a fantastic performance in the film. And the score by John Williams is an all-time great

2. I agree that "The Enforcer" is a middling Dirty Harry entry. I like all the Dirty Harrys. 7/10 sounds just right to me as well  Smiley
8465  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Quick and the Dead (1995) on: March 13, 2011, 10:56:23 AM
It was also the first Western I ever saw, and I vowed it would be my last! (I never watched another Western until GBU several years later; I only decided to watch it cuz I heard it was a famous movie --  I had no idea it was a Western! Well, that got me hooked...  Wink
8466  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Looks like we're going to get 40 more minutes of OUATIA on: March 13, 2011, 10:54:15 AM
I keep reading that the Leone children bought the rights to the film in Italy.... does anyone know whether that means the new dvd with the restored versions will only be released in Italy?
8467  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Rio Bravo (1959) on: March 13, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
I always enjoy being misinterpreted.

aww Groggy, sorry if I sounded like gettin' carried away. I know you didn't mean that literally  Wink

RE: your comment earlier that Nelson was a precursor to the bad young sidekicks Wayne would later have: I agree with you there, except that I happen to think Nelson was wonderful here. I agree that eg. Patrick Wayne and Christopher Mitchum in Big Jake were just totally out of place (as was P. Wayne in McLintock!, and in The Searchers). But I think Nelson was great here. When I first watched this film, I had no idea that he was a famous singer back in the 50's, and I still really loved his performance. (Just a normative argument, I guess  Wink )

I also think the singing scenes were good. They may well have been a bow to Martin & Nelson being 2 big singing stars at the time, but I think they work. I mean, they have to do something to pass the time, being holed up in there for all that time. Isn't it normal that they'd sing a bit?

I really hate cheap bows to commercialism and love interests in movies, but I think everything fits really well in Rio Bravo. (It may well be that Hawks's intention was a bow to commercialism, but) there isn't a scene in the film I would do without.  I just think it had the perfect amount of tension, comic relief, claustrophobia, light moments, and Angie really held her own...

And I think any Leone fan appreciates the opening scene, without a word of dialogue... Who knows how much of an influence that may have had on Leone...  Smiley

8468  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: 'Doc' (1971) on: March 13, 2011, 08:36:10 AM
Does anyone know whether it is in fact the El Paso set from FAFDM, as cigarjoe suggested? (I would hate it if they defiled that classic set on this awful a film  Wink )
8469  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Quick and the Dead (1995) on: March 13, 2011, 08:31:00 AM
"The Quick and The Dead" is the worst Western I have ever seen. I can't think of a single redeeming feature, other than perhaps the performance by Hackman. 0/10
8470  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: 'Doc' (1971) on: March 13, 2011, 08:08:01 AM
I just saw "Doc."  

Did not like it at all. Waaay too much heavy dialogue, too little action, everything way too serious, and virtually no score other than the nice mariachi band in an early saloon scene. The movie, as well as the Doc & Wyatt  performances by Keach and Yulin, are easily my least-favorite of all the Doc/Wyatt/GAOKC films.

The only thing I liked about the film is that like Leone films, everything is "dirty," rather than the freshly scrubbed look of some AW's. That is the only decent thing about the film. Other than that, it is a complete waste of time.

I rented it off iTunes. I had a laugh when after watching the movie, I read iTunes' description of the film: "A fanatically accurate retellling of the familiar Wyatt Earp/Doc Holliday story in Tombstone..." If I began to discuss all the inaccuracies (just in the actual Gunfight) I'd run outta the character limit  Wink, so I won't bother. Suffice it to say that the movie is as inaccurate as just about all the others that are purportedly about the Wyatt/Doc story. (As far as I recall, the two films which depict the Gunfight most accurately are "Tombstone" and "Wyatt Earp" [which, before I saw "Doc" were my least favorite of all the Wyatt/Doc films]).

The version I saw is also 96 minutes
8471  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Looks like we're going to get 40 more minutes of OUATIA on: March 13, 2011, 06:28:06 AM
But their voices will most likely sound very different nowadays.
Too bad these plans for a longer TV version were not realised then.

On the other hand the film maybe is already a bit too long. OuTA is not as fascinating for me as OuTW and GBU.

I don't think the film is a minute too long; I welcome the extra footage.

On top of p. 461 of STDWD:

"On the way out of the screening, Leone met Dino De Laurentiis who said that America was terrific, but that it would surely benefit from 'having at least half an hour cut out of it': Leone snapped back that Dino was the last person to offer an opinion on the subject, since he 'made two hour films which felt like four hours, whereas I make four-hour films which feel like two'."

To me, the issue is not about timing; it's whether the movie works and how it flows, etc. I never felt for a  moment that OUATIA drags on; on the other hand, I feel that some other films of similar length (eg. Giant, Gone With the Wind) could have seriously benefited from having a good 45 minutes or so cut out of it. It all depends on how the movie flows, and I think OUATIA flows beautifully.

Of course, I have not seen the unreleased footage, and my opinion may change once I see it. But for now, I am more excited that I have been in I can't remember how long, upon hearing the news that we're gonna get an extra 40 minutes.

Last paragraph on p. 458 of STDWD: Leone "very reluctantly excised between forty-five and fifty minutes' worth of 'significant material' " to get to the 3:49 running time. I don't know if the restored scenes will be those scenes which Leone originally wanted included, or whether they will be other scenes that will be chosen by his family. (According to Frayling, "By February 1983, Sergio Leone had ten hours of usable footage in the can." id.) But Frayling goes on to mention the specific scenes that were cut, so if those are the ones that'll be restored, then I guess we know what we can expect.

Among the footage that Frayling cites as having been cut, what I am most excited for is the extra stuff with the elderly Bailey and Jimmy O'Donnel arguiing over the pension scandal; much of the background material with Eve surrounding her meeting and relationship with Noodles, and footage of the elderly Carol discussing Max's syphilis with the elderly Noodles from her rest home.  I think those scenes may clarify some ambiguities that are in our 3:49 version.

Two additional things that I believe are unclear from our version, is a) when/how the elderly Noodles received the invitation to Bailey's party (was it in the letter he received about the cemetery, but he just neglected to tell Fat Moe about it?); and especially b) how he figured out that Deborah was in a relationship with Bailey. That never seemed fully clear to me, and I am hoping that will be cleared up in the restored scenes. However, Frayling does not mention any scenes involving these issues as being among those that were from the 45-50 minutes that Leone reluctantly had to cut
8472  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Rio Bravo (1959) on: March 13, 2011, 06:03:35 AM
Brennan also plays the pastor in Sergeant York. (I didn't see the whole film, but I saw the first half-hour or so, which has plenty of scenes with him). He is so young and unrecognizable; the only reason I realized it was him was his voice/accent!
8473  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Rio Bravo (1959) on: March 13, 2011, 04:50:52 AM
Well, I grew up having to sit through "The Real McCoy's" on TV while waiting for something else to come on and Walter Brennnan was cackling on and on in "Stumpy" mode throughout and it got quite grating, I never appreciated him as an actor till later when I saw "My Darling Clementine", "The Westerner", and "Support Your Local Sheriff".

He most probably latched on to that schtick from this movie, lol.

Rio Bravo was the first film I ever saw Brennan in, and I absolutely love his performance. He plays a similar role in The Far Country, and is very good in that film as well
8474  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Looks like we're going to get 40 more minutes of OUATIA on: March 13, 2011, 04:48:46 AM
Well most of the principals involved are still alive and ticking which is a good thing.  Afro

yeah. James Hayden, who played the older Patsy, died of a heroin overdose (before OUATIA was even released). But as far as I know the rest of the main actors are all alive.

Nowadays, with the proliferation of dvd's and "bonus footage," I hope directors have the foresight to dub everything right away, cuz of the possibility of later release....
8475  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Rio Bravo (1959) on: March 13, 2011, 01:18:27 AM
I don't know who's hotter; but what I care about is what works in a film. And the scenes with Angie work very well here.

Groggy: While I agree that most love scenes in movies are forced and detract from the film, I don't agree that every time there is a love scene it must be wrong...
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