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8521  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Hour of the Gun (1967) on: February 01, 2011, 01:12:34 AM
I completely stand by my previous comments - this is one bland, unimaginative telling of Tombstone. I also forgot to add that it falls victim to courtroom scenes in the 3rd act. That's almost always unforgivable and lazy, this is no exception.

I think the courtroom scenes are just fine; they are pretty brief and just set the stage for the Clantons' revenge (though I am a recent law school graduate, so perhaps a bit biased  Wink

On the subject of courtroom scenes in a Western: have you seen "The Return of Frank James"? The courtroom scenes in that one are absolutely hilarious!
(btw, that is a terrific movie; as is "Jesse James." The newspaper editor is just great; and I wonder if that influenced John Ford's creation of a funny, drunk newspaper guy in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.")
8522  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: February 01, 2011, 01:01:57 AM
It is my personal persuasion the reason behind those possibilities was that SL wanted to see if the only reason for his movies/vision not reaching the audience in the US was himself. Just my two cents. Wink

while all his post-Dollars films indeed did not do well in America, the Dollars trilogy actually did very, very well in America; (not necessarily with the critics, but with audiences they made er... fistfuls of dollars  Wink
8523  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Hour of the Gun (1967) on: January 31, 2011, 02:31:41 PM
Good to hear Jill. I've wanted to see Hour of the Gun for a long time but can't seem to track it down.

Groggy: you can get Hour of the Gun on iTunes. And don't pay any attention to the naysayers; this is a very, very good film. Garner is good as Earp, and Robards is absolutely terrific as Holliday.

The Firecracker: I have to respectfully disagree with you: this is not the most accurate portrayal of the Gunfight, considering that this movie depicts the gunfight as having actually taken place in the OK Corral, when in fact it took place in a lot near the corral.

and just for the record (in case it wasn't settled;-) My Darling Clementine is a wonderful film

8524  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: January 31, 2011, 02:19:56 PM

Finally, Leone didn't strike me as someone who liked sharing his ideas and merits with anybody else. I'm thinking if MNIN was indeed his movie, he would have been credited as the director. Make no mistake about it. Wink

I'm not so sure about that. One of the reasons Peter Bogdanovich didn't work out as director of DYS (according to Frayling) is that Leone wanted Bogdanovich to shoot the movie Leone-style (eg. tight close-ups) but Bogdanovich wasn't interested in shooting a Leone film, he wanted to do it his own way.

So it would seem that rather than refusing to share his ideas, Leone was actually quite eager to have movies he was involved with being filmed Leone-style.

("Something to do with Death" indeed describes how Leone would often not give full credit to some of those who worked on the films,  but I do not think that he refrained from sharing his directing ideas with those who directed films he produced)
8525  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: The Proud Ones (1956) on: January 31, 2011, 02:09:06 PM
kinda funny to see Walter Brennan with a mustache  Smiley
8526  Other/Miscellaneous / Ennio Morricone / Re: Looking for cd of original soundtrack of the first two Dollars films on: January 31, 2011, 05:01:48 AM
ok, i was finally able to find the full soundtrack cd for FOD. I also got the "Legendary Italian Westerns" vol. II, which has 8 songs from FAFDM; do you know if the FAFDM soundtrack album has more than those 8?
8527  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: January 31, 2011, 04:43:23 AM
Let's just not get carried away here. We've had discussions about this before, most of us agree that's not the case. It would be nice if it was, but it isn't.

hey, everyone is entitled to his opinion  Smiley

I myself had mixed feelings about MNIN. I watched it once, but I didn't really "get it." I mean, I understood the basic metaphor of Hill as the Spaghetti Western and Fonda as the Hollywood Western, but I didn't really understand it fully, cuz the only Westerns I had seen by the time I watched MNIN were Leone's and a few from Hollywood. I had never seen any non-Leone Spaghettis, or any of the Trinity films.

I subsequently read up more about MNIN, and realized I should really have watched some other Spaghettis, and the Trinitys, before watching MNIN. I have not watched MNIN a second time yet, but from what I have read, I have a newfound respect for it. I plan to watch some more Spaghettis and the Trinitys and then watch MNIN again, and I think I will be able to understand and appreciate it better.

Interestingly, OUATITW is another movie that can not be understood without prior familiarity with other Westerns. Therefore, I had a similar reaction the first time I saw OUATITW: I actually HATED it, because that was pretty much the first Westerns I had ever seen aside from the Dollars films. So I completely did not understand OUATITW, which is really a film about the Western genre.  I didn't "get it" at all, and just thought it was a terrible movie dragged on forever and ever. Even so, as I was watching it, I understood that there was a deeper metaphor that I was not missing. So I decided to research it. Then, several months later, I finally watched OUATITW it for the second time -- after having read up on it in "Something to Do With Death," and watching many Hollywood Westerns -- with the dvd commentary. And I was absolutely blown away! Needless to say, it is now, as with all of Leone's films, among my favorite movies of all-time. Viva Leone!

Btw, just so y'all understand where I am coming from: I am 26-years old, and just saw GBU (my first Leone film and pretty much my first Western) less than 2 years ago.  I became instantly obsessed with Leone and Westerns, and have spent every moment since then making up for lost time, watching Westerns and reading every word I can find about Leone.

On that note, if anyone has any good suggestions for books about Leone, please let me know. I already own all of Frayling's books (which are incredible), and I have also read a book called "The Films of Sergio Leone," by Robert C. Cumbow (which IMO is terrible). If you have suggestions for any other books or research material on Leone, please let me know!

8528  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: January 31, 2011, 12:58:34 AM
Leone directed the introductory scene. You will definitely be able to tell this when you watch it.

was he the producer as well?
8529  General Information / General Discussion / Re: John Wayne on: January 31, 2011, 12:50:31 AM
the opening sequences in Rio Lobo  are fantastic, but overall, it is not a very good movie.

RE: John Wayne: I think he was great. Some people do not like his politics, but I do not focus on that stuff when judging an actor.
 True, he generally plays "himself" in movies, but so what? That's what we want to see! In many of Steve McQueen's big movies, he generally only played "himself" too and that's why we loved him.

I prefer Leone's movies to any Hollywood Western, but Wayne was great, and made some incredible movies. Rio Bravo is my favorite Hollywood Western. Stagecoach was great too, and I really liked Fort Apache and Red River as well.
8530  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: Volonte's voice & Voice Actor for the Captain in GBU on: January 30, 2011, 04:55:09 AM
I just watched FAFDM again with Frayling's commentary; he says that Volonte dubbed Indio's voice in English in FAFDM, but someone else dubbed Ramon's in FOD. I don't know, but Ramon and Indio sound pretty darn similar to me
8531  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Here's another contribution of rare photo on: January 30, 2011, 01:30:52 AM
Interesting indeed.

But, we don't see the sheriff much in the movie, and he has zero interaction with the other characters, or the story. He's only present at the auction, as far as I can recall.

yes, his only scene is in the auction. But he does try to run the auction fairly, and tries to help Jill get a decent price for it; he is a decent character.
In FAFDM the sheriff also is only there briefly, but he is corrupt. and in FOD, the sheriff is actually the head of one of the crime families.

btw, in GBU, I think the only part of a sheriff plays is arresting Tuco when he is brought in by Blondie, and attempting to hang Tuco. No real way to see whether he is considered corrupt or not, I guess?
8532  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Scorsese on OUTIA on: January 30, 2011, 01:17:53 AM
No, that's surely not a Leone. Nothing Leonesque in it.

I have not seen that film yet, but I was under the impression that Leone produced it, or it was "presented by" Leone, or something like that. He did have something to do with it, no?
8533  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Al Mulloch on: January 28, 2011, 06:53:32 AM
Yeah, that's a famous one Smiley
I think Leone said (may be in Simsolo's book?) that he needed "a close up". Or maybe I created myself this memory by noticing the missing close up everytime I watch the movie...

yeah, I definitely remember Frayling saying (i think in the dvd commentary) that Leone was upset cuz he needed one more close-up of Mulloch
8534  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Here's another contribution of rare photo on: January 28, 2011, 05:24:55 AM
Cool picture. That's from the deleted scene where Harmonica is beaten up by the sheriff's deputies.

I was not aware of this scene.

It is interesting, because as Frayling said, OUATITW is the one Leone Western where the sheriff is actually decent and well-meaning and not corrupt. But if this scene had been included in the movie, I guess it would have changed the character of the sheriff
8535  General Information / General Discussion / Re: Western Books on: January 27, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
You've sold me! (but why "grim"? Perhaps you really mean "impassive").

(I know it is heresy to say this! but) I thought The Searchers was really overrated. There are many, many better John Ford & John Wayne movies
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