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1  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD) on: October 22, 2003, 04:03:28 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that the original italian version omitted the flashback like Jon pointed out. But it might also be that it was cut due to length; it is awfully slow. And what about that scene on the railroad station where Steiger meets the leader outside the train, which is cut rather annoyingly by flipping the screen?

I don't know what is missing here, the flipped screen edit has been in every version I have seen (and yes it is the ugliest cut in all Leone's films) but I am still intrigued by the flashbacks to Ireland. Period. and I would like to know peoples views on it. (Perhaps I should start a new topic). Here's a question: The Irish informant slain by Coburn; is he a friend or a brother? (thus, making the suggestion of a "menage a trois" all the more kinky!) Thoughts please.
2  Films of Sergio Leone / Duck, You Sucker / Re:A Fistful Of Dynamite (R2 UK DVD) on: October 14, 2003, 04:59:51 PM
Garry has raised some very interesting ideas. I saw this film at the NFT in a restored Italien print - as Gui La Testa - the most complete version I beleive. Naturally, It looked incredible (colours were much more vivid than the restored print of OUATITW, as I told Prof. Frayling) but I had to watch the whole thing in Italien. I saw it again on BBC two the other night in the most complete English version I have seen - but where's the final flashback!. OK, Garry has highlighted this brilliantly with his grabs of the scene. I'd just like to say how moving I found this scene in the cinema, it's so intimate, heartbreaking and mysterious, and I can't think of one reason why an English version would cut it? Can anyone suggest why?
3  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Who shot this incredible picture? on: July 22, 2003, 08:17:42 AM
Hello everybody.
Can someone tell me who made this beautiful photography on the poster?
Of course I mean the shot of the childrens and the Manhattan Bridge in the back.
Thank you in advance.  Grin

It's the Williamsburg Bridge, and the image is a still from the movie, which was shot by Tonino Delli Colli, But Leone found the location, and fell in love when he saw the bridge at the end of the street - he is quoted as saying "only in America!"
4  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Debra and Max love affair beginning ? on: July 14, 2003, 09:26:41 AM
another good point, Noodles would have to go into hiding for the rest of his life, but at least be alive. As for Max and Debra, their plans together are all based on ambition and therefore plausable in their case, but their is not a wiff of love or effection between them during the whole movie. Perhaps this is what Noodles find so bewildering. It's heartbraking for him in one sense, but in another sense he simply cannot beleive his eyes, or chooses not to. Who knows?
5  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Most memorable scene in this film? on: July 14, 2003, 09:11:20 AM
Yep! O.K Cedet you win!! I  just checked on IMDB. Fart Face was indeed played by Richard Foronjy.
My apologies. You know, after seventeen years of watching this movie, I'm still learning.  

Cedet has a good grasp of this movie no doubt, check out his other posts, but he still hasn't said which is the most memorable scene for him?
6  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Did James do it or not? on: July 13, 2003, 04:07:41 PM
Surely the parallel is between Max and jewish mobster Meyer Lansky rather than teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa.

No, Lansky died of natural causes,an old man, his wealth and Influence were all gone. Jimmy Hoffa disapeared at a time when much investigation surrounded him, and a garbage truck was spotted at the place where he was last seen.
7  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Question - Joe Pesci on: July 13, 2003, 03:48:48 PM
you lot may need to watch that scene again. The person Max and Noodles pass in the hospital isnt joe pesci, it just looks like him.

Looks a bit like PASTY?
8  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Debra and Max love affair beginning ? on: July 13, 2003, 03:43:04 PM
I like this reference to showbusiness and gangsters by cedet. And the point about no one visiting Noodles in jail is interesting too. But I'm not sure Max saved his life, surely those syndicate hoods where at the behest of Frankie and Max to kill Noodles?












9  General Information / General Discussion / Re:"Duck, You Sucker!" vs. "Fistful of Dynamite" on: July 12, 2003, 02:58:09 PM
"A Fistful of Dynamite"  is the least appropriate, the film is Leone's centrepiece in his second triliogy, hence "Once Upon A Time, Revolution". But the film has a special political connotation with "Giu' La Testa" and I think "Duck, You Sucker!" is the best translation of that.
10  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re:Giu la Testa DVD release on: July 12, 2003, 10:33:39 AM
I'm sure it's worth it Jon. This film was butured in my opinion, in the English speaking versions I've seen, but the Italian restored print that I saw was a masterpiece. Alot has been restored. Of those that I remember there is the opening slogan about revolution and violence..followed by the pissing on an ant hill, then there was the scene where Coburn bodges an execution and realises he's stuck with Steiger, then the Dead Sons scene restored as it should be with Morricone's music, and of course the final flashback. I hope we do get it in English but anyway, enjoy!
11  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:R2 double DVD coming out in September on: July 12, 2003, 10:14:47 AM
The special features sound great. We've heard Cox and frayling before, but it will be interesting to hear Carpenter and Millius. It seems to me that only recently Americans have started to aknowledge their debt to Leone. Scorcese, notably, never cited Leone in all the dicussions of his inluences until "Gangs of New York" came out and he credited OUATITW as it's major inluence. Anyway, who is Dr. Sheldon Hall?
12  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Missing scene in OUATIA DVD on: July 12, 2003, 09:55:38 AM
I don't know about the version that premired at Cannes, but I do know that the flashback to childhood is included on the DVD and most versions I have seen. I guess my main problem with it, is the fact that they are repeat shots (Max on mama's wagon, the williamsburg bridge ect...) which to me seems very sloppy in Leone's case. Think of the final flashbacks in OUATITW or FOD, and how they reveal something new, crucial, that has been building in the narrative. Also, I think that final meeting between Max and Noodles doesn't need the flashbacks because Noodles says it all in his dialogue ("I have a story too Mr Bailey", ..."It wen't bad for him, wen't bad for me too, but it was a great friendship"...) it's more dramatic, bleak and ambiguous this way. And the final flashback in anycase, is the opium den, which is [/b] beautifully constructed.
13  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Debra and Max love affair beginning ? on: July 12, 2003, 05:23:39 AM
Remember, Noodles effectively disappeared, dropped off the face of the earth so to speak, Deborah could easily have assumed that Noodles was perhaps wearing concrete overshoes and slept with the fishes. She would also have assumed that Max was dead. Prehaps, she kept Max's secret even from her brother and helped to establish his new identity as a way to link to the innocents of her past. Just a thought.

This is a very credible idea, in keeping with the nature of Debra and Max. "You're both alike, that's why you hate each other so much" as Noodles says to Debra, but ironically for Noodles, it's this likeness that brings them together and shuts him out.
14  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re:Giu la Testa DVD release on: July 11, 2003, 11:26:20 AM
Hello everyone. I recently saw at Paris the release of Giu la Testa DVD. It is an italian production and the problem is that italian is the only possible language, so you don't have the original language of the movie, and also there are no subtitles at all, in any language.

I have hesitate longtime if I would buy the dvd or not, and I decided not to buy it finally, but I know there are still some DVD at the FNAC at Paris.

This sounds like the version I saw at the NFT when Fraylings book came out. Definately "Gui la Testa" all in Italian with no subtitles (we had a Live interpreter via headphones at the NFT) but a completely restored version. Let's hope "A Fistful of Dynamite" DVD is the same cut in English.
15  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Missing scene in OUATIA DVD on: July 11, 2003, 10:52:50 AM
I totally disagree.  It's not revenge at all.  If Noodles wanted revenge, he would have shot him.  What Noodles did instead is to not acknowledge him, but not out of spite.  Out of love.  Love specifically for the more innocent version of Max that he knew as a boy.  That's why there is the flashback.   When he sees Max he relives those memories, and those are the things he treasures.   It's a great moment.


Yes, I agree with this, Love is a better word than revenge in Noodles case. For better or worse he is all heart. But I still think the scene is better without the flashback. We don't need to be reminded that Noodles loved Max and they had a great friendship at this point. The scene (and what Max has become) is the modern world which Noodles turns his back on, which is why we flashback to the opium den, and the smaile, because that's Noodles final gesture to the world.
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