The first time I watch the movie I was astomished! and I watch It again after rewinding my tape...

If you don't like the "modern" part it is because you're not enough in the Movie, you'll have to get inside Noodle's mind, you have to be Noodle, to feel the way he feels...all is about redemption and "nostalgie" if you are not concerned with this strong frendship between Noodles and Max, you miss all the best emotional part of the masterpiece.

Could work if we actually seen the Old Noodle at the end, but the end of the movie Stands when he smilles in the 30's

Thank You for the Sum up...

Furthermore, OUATIA a about "inocence corrupted" and the TG is about filaition and what to do with his inheritance. More over, OUATIA is a Greek Tragedy, and TG is more a "simple" Mafia movie.
OUATIA has a bigger Emotionnal Dimension, based on 2 characters (De Niro and Woods)
The Godfather is a familly story lead by Pacino.

Finally these movie can't be campared because their purpose are totally different.

Yep DAve, good Shot

OUATIA is an Emotional Film.
TG is a MAfia biographie.

Nice Shot Deby-2000, I did not see it that way until now, thanks!!!

And because it is a movie everybody can understand it the way he wants, that is one of the biggest strengh of OUATIA, look a this forum!!!
And Because it is a movie and not the reality, I think there is no end to this discussion....

Yes, But it is so easy, to say oki: it's a dream and every action you love did not happenned (ok its a movie, i know, but still...)....
Anybody read the book "the Hoods", that inspired the movie?

I don't agree with "Le beau role" Theorie, baecause in the 68, Noodles is the poor guy, He has lost everything he cared...but he has his redemption with behing not responsible for the death of his friend....he is alone...but anyway he sent the cops after his firend in the 30's...so he started everything...

I am not excusing the rape, at any moments, I just say that Only noodles feelings interests Us, the rape is only one "fatal mistake", and anyway, Leone un-dramatized the sex relation in OUATIA .

Similarly, we don't fall for this crap about 'Noodles pays for it' because she goes off with Max. What a ridiculous thing to say. Does that really even begin to make him pay for raping someone? No it doesn't.

IT does in certain ways for Noodles. the HERO of OUATIA is NOODLES, we fear for Him, Debra is the love of his life, we'are sad that the love affair didn't work and after all Noodles deserved what happened but that's all...Debra isn't a sympathic character just like Max...

You are both missing the point I made. The point I was making was that cedet was seeing the rape purely in terms of the bad effect it was to have on the man rather than the woman, which I found very strange. I think most human beings, when confronted by a rape scene would be feeling for the victim, the woman, before worrying about the effect it will have on the rapist. cedet obviously sees it differently and is entitled to, and I'm entitled to say I think that's a warped sense of priority.

I see only the effetcs it produce on Noodles because that's the one we follow, we care about Debra as as supporting role...only Noodles feelings are important in that scene.
just like in the scene at the station, we feel "Noodles too late, she's gone and wont talk to you" not "The bad rappist is here Debra"....and anyway he pays for that rappe in 68' (or dream) when he learns that she betrayed him with Max and take care of his(her?) child...

yes but I think Moe Likes much more Noodles than his sister, He always wanted to them together, so I don't think he really wants to hurt noodles after the rappe...
remember: I would have bet anything on you (when Noodles comes back in 68'

Yes, sure But in OUATIA, we live Noodles 's Life, not Debra as we can see Noddles hates him for what he did, he tries to apologize at the railwaystation...
and furthermore in the 68' part Debra has her revenge: she lives with Max, and raise his son...