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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:OUTITW DVD of the Year???
« on: December 28, 2003, 12:29:20 PM »
It seemed to me these people wanted to talk about themselves and not about Leone.

I haven't heard all of it, but Sir Christopher Frayling's commentary seems very informative and entertaining.

Might be that this is the best thing possible, as actors and directors often are pretty egoistic and tend to want to talk more about themself.    

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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:OUTITW DVD of the Year???
« on: December 27, 2003, 11:45:42 PM »
I don't want to be a killjoy, but I think Tarantino has enough to do, making all those great extras for his own movies. He even made a commentary for True Romance, which he didn't direct himself..!

He might talk quite a bit about Leone on the dvd of Kill Bill, I think.  

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Year of the Dragon (1985)
« on: December 24, 2003, 03:53:36 AM »
Mickey was going to be one of truly the great ones, then he threw it all away. Now his face is so shattered and badly recontructed, he can't really act anymore.  

For me, his best moments was as the mythic Motorcycle Boy in Coppola's Rumble Fish.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Mortimer gone bad........
« on: December 24, 2003, 03:49:21 AM »
In my country, we have a fairytale tradition, with recurring characters. All of them ends with the hero (of the same name in many adventures) wins half the kingdom and the princess. There is some connection; the characters have the same personal traits in all the adventures, for instance. But there is no continuing story - the hero starts from nothing in all the stories.

I think this is the way to view the dollar-films.  :)  

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:This may be short notice, but...
« on: December 24, 2003, 03:44:38 AM »
I take this opportunity, too. Merry Christmas to everyone.

This has been a good year, and finding this forum made it even better.  :)

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A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Does Joe have a love intrest in the girl
« on: December 23, 2003, 05:44:59 PM »
I always thought that she seminded Joe about his mother, simply as that. And that was why it was so important to help her and the kid.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Mortimer gone bad........
« on: December 22, 2003, 09:21:30 PM »


There is connections, but the bottom line is that Leone did not, as our respected fellow memeber pointed out, have a master plan from the beginning. I tend to view these films as only loosely connected fables or adventures about the same man.

And of course Lee van Cleef plays two completely different characters. Leone had doubts about this, because he was afraid it would cause a confusion.

But  van Cleef was once again right for the role, and Leone alledgely enjoyed working with him. Not because they got personal, but Lee van Cleef was utterly reliable and very serious about his work.  


But notice that late in GBU, Blondie picks up the poncho which he will later (in the earlier films) use as a trademark. I think Leone put that one in just for fun.  

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Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Fat Moe
« on: December 21, 2003, 01:27:14 PM »
At the start of the film when Noodles gets the key, Moe notes that "it is all yours now."

What is the enterpretation of that?  Moe found out?  Someone told him?  The group told him?  Noodles forgot that detail in his dream state ( ;))?  Sloppy editing?

They could have let Moe in on the secret, but that is not likely, in my opinion. The film - and the gang - are to ritualistic for that.

I prefer to think that Moe understood that the key was the key to the common funds, from the start. But he didn't know where it was, or what the key could unlock.


And no, I  don't think Moe wound the clock while the key was gone. Several possible interpretations: He doesn't care, his friends are gone and he just couldn't care less.

The stopped clock reminds him, and connects him, to the past. When he was somebody, an official associate of the hippest hoodlums in town, and not someone some two-bit punks could mess around with by closing time.  


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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Jason Robards
« on: December 18, 2003, 03:10:03 AM »
jerry stiller ?  ;D

Jerry Stiller is a great idea! As Frank or Harmonica? I'd love a shouting, coleric half-mad Harmonica.

Antoher twist for a remake; instead of Harmonica, let's make him into Accordion.  ;D

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Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Did James do it or not?
« on: December 18, 2003, 03:05:38 AM »
The truck is not prepared by Max before (very complicated no ?)  
Who is able to jump in a garbage truck ?Are you serious? >:(

Max wanted Noodles to kill him, so it would be pretty natural for him to have arranged the truck to be there, in order to vanish completely (and then protecting Noodles).

There could be a killer on the truck, but what was the reason Max ran out, if it wasn't to meet the truck? He did not try to escape - surely he would have made a better attempt than just walk out into the night. In my opnion, he must have known the truck was going to be there.

In films, people do sensational things, and the ending might very well carry a lot of symbolic meaning. So the notion of Max jumping into the smashing iron teeth doesn't seem too unreasonable.
I wouldn't do it, but I haven't betrayed my friends for money and power either. Not yet, anyway...

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Tuco in the gunshop
« on: December 17, 2003, 03:26:21 PM »
My choice would be water - not whiskey, but guess it all depends on what you prefer, eh?   ;D  Guess Blondie wasn't much for alcohol.  That's the only taste of alcohol he's had in the whole movie - that leeeetle sip.   ;)

Blondie is all about control and coolness. Restricting himself regarding alcohol is a part of this.

Tuco is the original Mexican macho, pouring down whiskey after a dehydrating desert ordeal. A man like Tuco of course thinks drinking water is for sissies; water is for washing and bathing, period!  ;)



By the way, do anyone remember the scene in The Wild Bunch where they share the bottle of whiskey, and it is so terribly obvious from the foam in the bottle that they are not drinking whiskey?  :)  

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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Jason Robards
« on: December 16, 2003, 01:07:01 PM »
clean forgot about TC being in "the vikings".
borgnine an all time great.   ;D

Help, the threads have crossed! This is turning in to the remake-thread!  :o

(By the way, Alain Delon is and was great, but would be type-cast as Frank, by the way. The shock of the good guy turned bad wouldn't be there.)  

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For a Few Dollars More / Re:Indio's smoke
« on: December 16, 2003, 01:03:36 PM »
i've givin up ciggys. it just kills me evertime i see il indio take a long drag off what he's smoking.  ;)


Heh. I thought we'd agreed that's not tobacco...  ;

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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Jason Robards
« on: December 15, 2003, 08:01:38 AM »
I think Robards did a very good job in OUTIW, he brings much humanity to the film.  I dare even say he's the only character we care about.  We're intruiged by Harmonica, we like to see beautiful Cardinale and her Italian temper, but Cheyenne is the one we care about.  I think he's essential to the film.  Actually you couldn't take anybody away from the script, because al the characters seem in perfect balance.

You are very right. But it is not only the balance; it is important to give the viewer a chance to invest emotions into the characters. If you don't care about the character, you really don't care about who wins.
Harmonica is too cold, Jill is too cynical - the "alliance" needed a character that we could like and love and identify with. And because we like Cheyenne, we also cheer for his friends.  

So sly Leone and Bertolucci made us care for the outlaw killer, instead of the justice seeking gunman or the lonely widow. Yet another of the movies many wonderful twists.


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For a Few Dollars More / Re:Indio's smoke
« on: December 15, 2003, 07:53:29 AM »
Leone's heroes have some kind addictions: Cigar-Joe, Pipe-Mortimer, Marijuana-El Indio, Chewing*/Tobacco-Frank,Opium-Noodles,  Nose*-Tobacco-Carson/Jacson... Tuco alone is an angel without any vice ! ;D

* sorry I don't know the right word in english.In french is Chiquer and Priser

Angel and angel... He smokes on Blondie's abandoned cigar, receives another one after the visit to his brother and takes Carson's snuff.... When I was still smoking I hated those guys who never bought their own... >:(

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